Bigfoot Beheads People?

[dlaw]

I remember watching my mother wring the heads off of chickens to kill them before she prepared them for the table.

[JDL]

Friends of mine moved to Stone County, Missouri about two decades ago, living in a wooded area bordering Table Rock Lake.  They've had regular activity ever since moving there, though only a couple of actual sightings.  Often their home, is actively investigated at night by the people who live in the neighboring woods.  Heavy objects are moved.  Very heavy footsteps on the deck.  Slaps on the side of the house.  Slate slabs pulled up near their pond by something strong, etc.

 

Last week they were telling me that they had a new respect for the woman who sold the house to them (she'd built it as her retirement home and expected to live out her days there).  She had a reputation for being crazy.  On several occasions she would flee her home in a panic (with her small dog) in the middle of the night claiming something was trying to get into her home.  Once she literally drove her car into a pond at the bottom of the hill.

 

There are people who have regular contact with, and genuinely live in fear of, bigfoot.

[SWWASAS]

Seems like that fear is the lack of acceptance and I think the BF know it. If you live in a active habitation area and nothing happens over a long period of time other than noises in the night, it seems unlikely unless the human does something very different and disturbing to BF, that the humans will ever come to harm. Fear drives people to do things like shoot guns and stuff that will really take the situation down hill. Some cases where the humans accept the presence, the BF not only live in peace with the human inhabitants but seem to regard the property as a sanctuary and bring young BF there for safety when they go off to hunt. Intelligent or not it is not unlike the bears or raccoons in Yosemite making use of raiding for available food and wandering around through the tourists. Wild things are opportunists.

Edited August 11, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[JDL]

I don't know about the lady who lived there before, but I'll tell you this.  The couple living there now, since moving in while in their fifties, is now in their seventies with declining health.  She has MS, and is neither strong or very mobile.  Over the past three years his health has declined to the point that she is in better shape than he is most days.

 

In their younger years they spent more time in remote areas than in towns, are no strangers to large predators, and have lived in peace with their neighbors for the better part of two decades.  But, since his health has begun to decline, the people in the woods have become progressively more aggressive, and at times downright menacing.  Recently, while he was in the hospital for cardiovascular surgery, she was preparing to go visit him in the hospital before dawn.  She took a few things out to the car and was startled when more than one of them moved right up on her to the edge of the wood line just a few feet away.  She has interacted with them in the past with mutual respect, and sometimes with mutual amusement, but in this case there was no other way to describe their behavior other than as intentionally intimidating.  Normally she would acknowledge them, say a few words to let them know she knew they were there, and go about her business.  In this case, however, she felt fortunate to make it back to the house where she waited a couple of hours for the sun to come up before leaving.

 

You are right, they are opportunists.  But they are not universally benign.

[Guest lightheart]

I appreciate you sharing this JDL.

How distressing for the lady of the house to have this happen at a time when her husband was ill and she already had a full plate.

I think though, that this needs to be repeated. They can be unpredictable. They live in very different way than we do and the possibility for misunderstanding is always there. They seem to sometimes have a short fuse emotionally. I don't think we can know just exactly what might set them off. Even if we have had positive interactions it is still important to proceed carefully.

Lightheart

[LeafTalker]

They live in very different way than we do and the possibility for misunderstanding is always there. 

I agree, Lightheart. 

 

I wonder if it was anywhere in that BF person's mind to come off as intimidating. It could just as easily have been the case that he or she was trying to show support. 

 

People often do feel great fear in the extraordinary presence of a BF person. The question always is, where is that fear coming from? Very often, it comes from us, not them.  

[JDL]

There was a period of about two weeks where their behavior was consistently menacing.  This coincided with his hospitalization and recovery.  When he got back on his feet and started making appearances in the yard again, they toned down.  It's troubling to note that the peaceful equilibrium apparently depends on their perception of household strength.

 

When their adult son, a smoker, visits and smokes on the porch during the evenings, activity increases, with more frequent vocalizations from multiple points around the house.

 

In the past, interaction has sometimes been playful.  For a year or two they played a regular game with her.  They would move slates from around the goldfish pond (I assume looking for tender edibles), and each morning she would take the slates and replace them.  This evolved into them removing a particular slate each night and placing it in a different place on the property, usually visible, to actually concealing the slate in various places - sometimes in the woodpile, other times under dead leaves at the tree line, etc.

 

When the peach trees ripen, they will take the entire crop overnight.  Sometimes eating them on the spot and leaving the pits scattered about the tree.

 

The couple has a good idea where the primary lookout spot is because their cats will get up on the table and stare for hours at that single spot in the woods, though she has once seen one about twenty feet up in one of the trees.  The couple also tells me that when they walk their property each morning and perform light maintenance, allowing their cats out with them, the cats are always wary of the wood line, and at times will rapidly retreat to the house, or refuse to go out at all (these cats, a couple of large toms, have tangled with fox and bobcat without hesitation).  During the man's recent convalescence, when he first began to walk the yard again, one of the male cats kept blocking him from approaching the wood line, interposing itself until he allowed it to escort him back into the house.

 

The man was a skeptic for over a decade until he flushed one out of the wood line one day as he went to the woodpile.  Initially it was prone, and at first he thought it was a large black dog because it was faster than a bear and ran on all fours away from him up the slope as it paralleled the wood line.  Then as it reached the top of the slope it smoothly transitioned to running upright for several strides before cutting to its left and into the woods. 

 

Human neighbors who moved a couple of years ago did have a great dane, but it wasn't that.  The great dane had a habit of coming home carrying dismembered deer legs.

[David NC]

JDL,  the pet staring at the same spot in the woods for long lengths of time I can relate to. What makes it more intriguing is my pets they only do it at night.

[Scarecrow]

JDL, the encounters you related are very interesting. I'm most intrigued with the idea that the types of encounters that people have are directly related by the perceived strength of those who interact with the creatures. That brings a lot of clarity to the several stories of people who live in in the woods, where the wife and children have encounters while the men of the house are away.

 

Have you had any occasion to do research at this home?

[JDL]

I've walked the woods and found several kills, but nothing to pin them directly on bigfoot.  It's been years since I've had the opportunity to visit, but that will change in the coming month.

 

I/we have just hired a CEO to head my company as we transition into commercialization of the technology I invented.  Though I reside in Connecticut, he is in Kansas City.  We'll each spend a week per month in the other city as we build out.  KC isn't far from Stone county, Missouri and this will give me the opportunity to spend some time investigating.

 

I want to do a more focused investigation before the weather turns.  The timing is good, because the group usually holes up on the property during hunting season.

 

The gentleman's health is once again declining.  He can only walk about fifty feet at a time.

[JKH]

There was a period of about two weeks where their behavior was consistently menacing.  This coincided with his hospitalization and recovery.  When he got back on his feet and started making appearances in the yard again, they toned down.  It's troubling to note that the peaceful equilibrium apparently depends on their perception of household strength.

 

I know you've discussed this before and I'm curious what exactly you interpret as menacing behaviour. Couldn't such have been worried and/or protective in nature and inter-species miscommunication was to blame?

[JDL]

Understand that this couple has lived on this property for about two decades and had interactions throughout.  The interactions have run the gamut from mildly amusing to menacing.

 

When they moved in, most of the main level of the home was sliding glass doors on two sides leading out onto a wrap around deck..  At night, someone who weighed at least 600 lbs would walk the deck, causing the support beams and poles to creak and give.  This doesn't happen when there are multiple adults on the deck.  I would describe this as benign investigation.  The frequent consumption of berries and tree fruit just as they ripen has never been a matter of particular concern either, nor has the night-time displacement of heavy objects around the property.

 

The bedrooms are on the lower level, with sliding glass doors underneath the deck, emerging onto a patio.  Occasional intrusion onto the patio at night hasn't been a particular problem either, except that when people visit, the bigfoot will vocalize outside the bedroom in which the guests are sleeping.  One gentleman, a Seabee in WWII, described one repeated call as similar to cold bulldozer cranking up, only louder. 

 

There seems to be a persistent attraction to the couple's cats.  The bigfoot know the family routine and when the couple walks the property each morning with the cats along, the cats will sometimes refuse to go outside, or go outside a few yards, then immediately retreat back into the home.  The cats' reluctance generally coincide with the days when the local deer are not in evidence.  When the deer come onto the property to graze, the cats are also at ease.

 

But the couple does not consider any of this menacing.  The attempt of a predator to prey on pets is nothing new as far as they are concerned.

 

But when one or more of them is in the woodline, purposely lets one of the couple know that they are present, and even moves in closer without any attempt to be stealthy, the couple considers it menacing.

 

Why is this happening now?  Perhaps solely due to the couple's declining health.  There may also be a change in the makeup of the group, with more young adult males.  There has been some construction on neighboring property, so perhaps there is some territorial pressure as well.

[LeafTalker]

But when one or more of them is in the woodline, purposely lets one of the couple know that they are present, and even moves in closer without any attempt to be stealthy, the couple considers it menacing.

 

Why is this happening now?  Perhaps solely due to the couple's declining health.  There may also be a change in the makeup of the group, with more young adult males.  There has been some construction on neighboring property, so perhaps there is some territorial pressure as well.

I'm of the same mind as JKH, as I've said before.

 

I'm SO happy to hear that none of the behavior the couple has experienced -- except for this one thing -- has seemed menacing to them. 

 

That suggests that they may be mistaken in thinking this particular behavior is menacing. The odds are just against it being so. Live-and-let-live hairy people don't suddenly convert themselves into enemies for no reason.

 

But it could be, as you say, that the composition of the group has changed. If there are new individuals living there now, they may not have the same attitude the longer-term (or former?) residents have.

 

But the behavior that has frightened the couple could easily be an expression of concern.

 

There is nothing to be gained from threatening an elderly couple that has been elderly for a long time now. A BF doesn't see an old man sit down in a wheelchair and then say, "Phew! I can move in on him now!" He could've "moved in on" that individual a long time ago. 

 

Would you feel comfortable asking Sasfooty to take a look at things for you? She could give you some answers and some guidance right away, so that none of you have to live with this uncertainty anymore. A PM might be a good idea about now.... 

 

The other option is for one member of the couple -- or both together -- to go into the yard and say out loud, "I'm not sure I understand your purpose in showing yourself to me. It scares me when you do that, so I would appreciate it if you would stop."

 

I know you don't believe the BF speak English, and there's no harm done if they don't. 

 

If the BF do speak English, however, there's a good chance the behavior will cease immediately -- and isn't that the point?

 

The couple doesn't have to believe this will work, but why not try and see? If it does work, they will have spared themselves countless hours of needless worry. 

[JDL]

I'm not sure what to say here LeafTalker.  I appreciate your belief, but I trust these people completely.  They don't scare easy and have spent a large portion of their lives in the field prior to retirement.  They've lived with their neighbors for two decades.  They may be physically impaired, but are still very sharp mentally.  If they tell me that they behavior has become menacing at times I trust their judgement.

 

And if the bigfoot are as intuitive as you want to believe, then they would change their behavior accordingly upon recognizing a misinterpretation.

[LeafTalker]

I think the hairy people don't always realize that we've misunderstood a signal they're trying to give. 

 

I told the story in another thread about the BF who was trying to connect with me telepathically and thought I was ignoring him when I didn't respond -- when in fact it was just that I didn't know how to "do" telepathy. 

 

There's always a bit of give and take, even with beings as intuitive as the hairy people. 

 

I think your friends are okay. I just wish they knew that, too; but I'm sure whatever they need will come to them.