2015 The State Of Sasquatch Science

[Doc Holliday]

 

 

IMO, the media/cable TV buzz will subside in a few months and at some point a new "discovery" will be made to get people invigorated, once again.

 

agreed... hoping i'm wrong, but  ketchum II the sequel , or some other build up to nothing will happen to get the juices flowing so MM and such can ride the gravy train at our expense. 

 

imo, that seems to be the state of things entering  2015.

 

jaded? maybe ,lol... where do you sign up to be a cryptozoology specialist? if it pays good I might be interested .

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Well I am still curious if Sykes will unveil something in his upcoming book due out in April.

After visiting the old Ray Wallace stomping grounds he came away with a pretty strong

persuasion that the creatures actually exist.  He also tried to collect hair and DNA from 

that location.  It remains to be seen what will become of it, but for whatever reason the

title to the book has changed significantly, and I hope that is an indicator.  I somehow 

think he will be the one to document the reality of their existence through DNA, it just 

seems that his strong interest in the subject is going to make the difference.

Edited January 15, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Guest DWA]

Norse, who you gonna believe? Crow, or your lyin' eyes?

 

Yeah, that just about sums it up for the skeptic team, I think. It is a faith based assertion, premised on the idea that "I" know better than you do what you saw.  (Followed very quickly with a disclaimer that you were, ah, mistaken is all...not deliberately trying to mislead or misrepresent anything)  

 

For those who tell me they saw something they've never thought possible, I'm not going to go out and mortgage my house or quit my job to prove their claims as valid. But. When that jibes with many, many other congruent accounts it is plenty enough for me to say AT THE LEAST, I have no basis to substitute my judgment for yours.  With this approach, the possibilities begin to come into focus. Without it, you are merely trying to cram your squared-off version of reality into the world's round hole.

 

Which is, of course, as most rational people know, insane.  Just trying to point out what should be screamingly obvious.  Seeing a bipedal hominoid that everything we know predicts?  Predictable.

 

True. But the flip side of the coin is that it's up to us guys to prove it real. We have done a dang poor job of that.

If, in "we," you are including - as you must - the mainstream of modern science.   *This.Is.Their.JOB!* and they are failing, badly, at it.  Period.

[Guest DWA]

Crow in some ways I wish I did not have my experiences, and there were more than one. Maybe you are the lucky one?

 

I personally put those who have seen one of these, immediately, on my list of Luckiest People Ever.  (If you have seen a wild cougar or wolverine, same diff.)  But then I have always looked at this as just another indigenous North American animal that copious evidence supports.  It has been my experience that people who wish this hadn't happened to them somehow have invested far more, emotionally, in it than I consider advisable.  YMMV.

 

Ketchum teased many with her DNA and many thought proof was just right around the corner. Hoaxers and for profit people abound certainly.

 

People who get sucked in by the Ketchums and Georgia Boyses just aren't paying enough attention to the live evidence, which utterly swamps the hoaxers and for-profit people.  They just are not significant, at all, and a review of the evidence with a scientific eye shows it.  They are frequently used as a justification by the lazy and fearful to avoid engaging the topic.

 

Probably what disappoints me most now, is the element of distrust that permeates bigfoot research.

 

This comes solely from people's inability to engage fully any topic that doesn't gibe with their precut stencil view of the world.

 

We have a whole culture of research based on field methods employed by a TV show.

 

Which isn't honest enough to tell people straight up that three days in a woodlot won't confirm a fox.  It's TV-for-money and not serious research.  They're selling beer and travel, not educating.

 

But the same organization associated with that show, refuses to investigate reports I submit. I report my experiences here and have been called a liar, hoaxer, insane, delusional, or simply mistaken. The rewards are simply not worth the pain for the most part.

The pain of engaging with people way behind one on the knowledge curve - particularly on topics the latter kneejerk reject - is seldom worthwhile.

 

Edited January 15, 2015 by DWA

[Guest]

This thread is created to discuss the future of Sasquatch research.  Since the 1950s and before,  this

subject has been broached by all types and manner of thinkers, some of which still walk among us.  It is a very well

beaten horse we ride, and I think that we have done little to further our knowledge of this creature since those early

days. 

 

While technology and it's availability are on the side of this research, the average researcher has found little

actual increase in the amount of physical evidence obtainable.  One might argue that Rene Da hinden and Bob

Titmus were able to procure more physical evidence in their watch than all the modern researchers combined.

Simple tracking skills and horses were their tools, and they in my opinion did well with what was available to them

 

Patterson captured the most convincing photographic evidence using a camera that would be truly considered an

antique in the hands of the modern researcher, and yet that film has stood the test of time.  So the question I have

here is what are we, the "MODERN RESEARCHERS", going to do with the tools we have today in order to actually

further the science of this creature.  Or is even using the term Science at this point an oxymoron when it comes to

what we term research.

I think that our researchers need to do their research from *horses* instead of 3 or 4 wheeler's.

 

That is the main difference I can see between the PGF sighting and today's lack of excellent sightings.

 

 Apparently human's even walking or hiking can cause BF to flee, so either they smell us or hear us.

 

Horses are animals who out smell us, and could confuse a BF about exactly what is sharing the forest with them at that moment.

 

IMHO, Use horses if at all possible.

[Guest DWA]

I hate to be a pedant, but quantum physics is specifically the study of incredibly small, nano-particle sized objects. You can't compare that to a thousand-pound apeman.

 

Sure you can!  Those particles don't exist; they're a figment of a few brilliant but demented people's imagination; they show us batches of equations that no one understands or even cares about, and fuzzy pictures.

 

No?  PROVE it.  I don't mean scientists following the lead of those demented people because they're cowed.  I mean PROOF, not somebody's word.

And DWA, just because a few scientists (and, of course, yourself) feel that the evidence justifies further investigation, does not mean that they have reached the necessary level of proof to sway even a simple majority of scientists in relevant fields, let alone the man on the street.

Nope, sorry. Not how Science works.

 

WRONG.  Science isn't working here, and that is the problem.  The scientists who assert the validity of the evidence have been subjected to not a single significant challenge by a scientist showing his work.  Just a bunch of denials with no information backing them up, and justifications that a thoughtful layman (like me) can tell you don't pass the barest scientific sniff test.

 

Too many people don't understand this most fundamental thing about how science works:  "you don't have proof yet" isn't an argument.  And it can in no way justify providing an "answer" one cannot back up.

 

When it starts with the answer:  IT AIN'T SCIENCE.

 

[WSA]

You make a good point I had not really considered before Susiq.  I always enjoyed that (apparently) canceled reality show "Man Tracker" that used to be on one of the cable channels. You ever see that? It was a staged manhunt, the object was the contestant would try to outsmart the Man Tracker, who went a horseback. He got that point you make, clearly. Most of the time he was not looking at the surrounding area to find his quarry, but at his horse's ears. 

[Guest]

Thank you WSA, I have been thinking on how and why Patterson and Gimlin actually managed to get close to Patty. They were on *horseback*.

I think taking the horses, and leaving the 3 or 4 wheeler's at home, will increase your chances of an encounter.

 

Do a *Quiet approach*, horses just walking along, and I think you will be good to go, and will catch some BF unaware.

Good Luck!

[SWWASAS]

WSA you are right that I am lucky to have experienced what I have.    Throw in a wolverine and a wolf sighting and I could claim to be a woodsman.   I have the cougar covered in that a month ago I saw a what looked like a cougar in my back yard that set off my security light and just heard today a neighbor found a cougar deer kill in their yard.    I suppose with that BF encounter comes guilt that there are those who have spent decades longer in the field without the same level of contact,  and frustration that I cannot supply better evidence for those that still need it to stay motivated.    I am working on that one since I choose to not take the proof of existence track.     

 

The future of privately funded sasquatch research is like minded people, joining efforts in the field and cooperating.      We tend to be secretive, jealous of each other,  and sometimes down right rude to those that have theories we do not ascribe to.   But there are those that I simply could not do field work with.    We just do things too differently.     Notables are nearly impossible to contact and the few academics conducting research are very specialized in their interest.   I could not get anyone to even look at my infrasound data at the Sasquatch Summit.   One would think it would be of interest to someone.    But who am I to them?   Another nobody face that they recognize from various conferences.    

Edited January 15, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[Guest]

Guys, There are lots of woods around my house, and there have been BF sightings (reported by 2 policemen) in this area.

 

Something in the woods across the street is upsetting our 2 yo rescued dog.

 

He growls at the woods across the street, and looks really scared when this happens with his ruff standing up on his neck.

 

Axel, our sorta' new dog, is the friendliest dog we have ever had, and the only time I have ever seen him upset is when he growls and whines at the woods.

 

We have had deer come across the street to graze on the golf course, but this is different types of growls like he is seriously frightened.

 

What could be causing this fear to our dog?

[Lake County Bigfooot]

I forgot where you are at SweetSusiq, I am making my way south this week for some research as well as some business, going down I 65 or I 57 from northern IL and then heading through Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama on my way to Orlando, along the way I will try to pass through known sighting areas, and take some short diversions.  I guess if your along the route I could drop by and check for prints and maybe leave a recorder.  Looking forward to looking into the area where Finding Bigfoot had some interesting episodes south of Dothan in Northern Florida, any advice for places to check out on the route would be welcomed.

Edited January 16, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot

[JKH]

SS, do you have other pets that behave differently, or just the one? When does it happen? You should probably keep notes so you can observe any patterns. Invest in a good audio recorder, IF you want to hear what's going on around there at night.

 

LCB, sounds like a good road trip, enjoy it. Never been to Alabama, but it sounds very interesting.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Yah when I am down in Florida I will be making repeated trips into the Green Swamp west of Orlando, looks like there are some pretty deserted roads worth driving at night which is my MO in unfamiliar territory, drive around slow with the windows down, run only the parking lights, and listen and be ready to bolt if something charges me directly. Parking once in a while with the radio on to draw attention, it's a recipe for being run off, or perhaps becoming a midnight snack. I think if your doing something out of the usual drive by they might be more apt to check you out. Stranded motorists have had this happen to them a time or two.

I like to keep the motor running at all times and my ears, because being out on deserted roads late at night your only real protection is your vehicle, and I do 

not want to be caught by surprise by other elements known to Florida, everything including the Sasquatch are packing in rural Florida.

Edited January 16, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot

[JKH]

That sounds a little scary, be careful. Your idea reminds me of a report from SC, I believe, where a guy started driving around deserted marshes at night for fun, and started hearing them because they recognized his car. Then he started leaving them treats and they really got familiar, not that I'd recommend that practice. Do you want to get run off or to see them? Anyway, good luck with it all.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Driving down to Dothan Alabama from Antioch IL today 900 miles+ the 50+ year old road warrior is still doing his dirty work

as a left lane vigilante. Listened to the following show as the night progressed, and I felt it touched on the the original post

I placed to start the thread, this guy tried about everything imaginable, and continues to push the boundaries of what technology

will afford the researcher, listen to his conclusions and what really gave him results..

 

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cryptologic/2015/01/15/episode-35-william-dranginis--bigfoot-encounters-technological-research

Edited January 18, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot