SWWASAS Posted February 10, 2015 BFF Patron Share Posted February 10, 2015 I don't know how much interpretation there is in DNA work. I think there might be a lot in nuclear DNA where they are trying to determine ancestral relationships, history, and how long ago things happened. My reaction watching the video was the same as yours that his prejudice might be a problem. I got the same impression but not as strong from the 10,000,000 Bigfoot Bounty scientist. I thought at the time where the 10,000 winner of that show should have gotten his sample tested independently. It sure would have been convenient to save paying out 10 million, because there was DNA that only one person knew anything about. For all we know the producers paid 1 million not to find BF DNA so they would not have to pay out 10 million. Without independent testing and verification from different labs any sample is subject to all kinds of problems with testing. I just wonder how often they throw out a DNA sample or assume it is contaminated because it has some human markers in it. If there is a genetic relationship between humans and BF that may be part of the problem differentiating human and BF DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSA Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ^^^This is fixin' to begin to start to commence to be my working assumption on this question. If your data won't fit your theory, one of the two is wrong. One more mtDNA study of a sample with a strong BF context that reads "human" and I'm going to be fully down with this. After all, a human that behaves like an ape, is still human if the DNA says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I just had a little revelation, well not too bright of one, but it is concerning my home base. As some of you may know I do have Sasquatch visitors from time to time, and I have been trying to pin down a daytime spot these creatures have been using. Very isolated, surrounded by miles of cattails and very shallow portions of the lake sits an island I find interesting, Hackberry Island. A little research on hackberries turned up some discussion of strange scat on this thread that dates back a way's, does anyone know anything about Sasquatch and hackberries? The island pictured below is ideal habitat for these trees and I am guessing this is why the island might be a haven of sorts when the fruit is ripe. I mean it is named after the berries and I just realized the significance of the name, as I said I am not too bright. Well I did always have the thought that this was their home base when in my area, my property sits a mile or so away and is reachable by greenways that lead to my marsh, which itself forms a funnel down situation for game, I will show you below. Edited February 10, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Forgive my self indulgence with this diversion, but I am more excited about this being their home base for part of the summer. That being Hackberry Island. If you look at the map below it is pretty secluded with marsh all around, then very shallow lake which can only be reached by canoe. It is a busy lake come summer, but after dark things quiet down and I have caught the deer crossing some of these channels, deer trails can be seen through the marsh areas, and my marsh pictured below the lake is one of the most pristine in the area, with very good buffers, so it sees little run off, just snow melt and rainwater. It is 1.9 miles as the crow fly's to my property and marsh. Look at all the residential areas surrounding the area, gives you an idea of how adaptable these creatures really are. Edited February 10, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) One thing I would like to see more of is picture documentation of tree twists and scat, I have seen some documentation of the tree twists, and I think Meldrum included scat in his Field Guide. As a novice researcher I need to gain some of the tracking skills necessary to the endeavor, what do you guys look for in the field, maybe not the obvious stuff. Or what do you look at say on google earth to determine what areas to investigate. My investigations are going to spread out a bit, and I plan on going to several of the sighting sights in my area. One of the ones I have visited suggested to me that the creatures were invading residential neighborhoods for garden goodies in the middle of the night, based on the path it was taking, then I think it was heading for daylight safety in a large forest preserve. Does anyone have a book suggestion for doing research, most of what I have read is repetitive and goes through the history and some research discussion, but I wish I could find something better. On a positive note, Bipedalist posted a list of the Falcon Project members, one of them is our very own Nathanfooter, so at least one of us is going to have a first hand account of what is going on out there! Edited February 11, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWWASAS Posted February 11, 2015 BFF Patron Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) One thing I would like to see more of is picture documentation of tree twists and scat, I have seen some documentation of the tree twists, and I think Meldrum included scat in his Field Guide. As a novice researcher I need to gain some of the tracking skills necessary to the endeavor, what do you guys look for in the field, maybe not the obvious stuff. Or what do you look at say on google earth to determine what areas to investigate. My investigations are going to spread out a bit, and I plan on going to several of the sighting sights in my area. One of the ones I have visited suggested to me that the creatures were invading residential neighborhoods for garden goodies in the middle of the night, based on the path it was taking, then I think it was heading for daylight safety in a large forest preserve. Does anyone have a book suggestion for doing research, most of what I have read is repetitive and goes through the history and some research discussion, but I wish I could find something better. On a positive note, Bipedalist posted a list of the Falcon Project members, one of them is our very own Nathanfooter, so at least one of us is going to have a first hand account of what is going on out there! I think some of the things you mention are regional in nature. I my region, I have seen little evidence of tree twists. I understand they are common in some areas. Perhaps where I research has been so close in to human habitation, that the local BF have chosen not to do it. Scat is pretty rare. Of all the scat I have found only one find would suggest because of size, form, and content that it could have been BF. Cougar and bear scat is more common. Footprints are far more common than scat in this area. Makes me wonder if when convenient, BF push dirt over it to avoid leaving evidence they have been around. While we use form, content, size, etc to determine the source of scat, an animal can probably determine what made it with one sniff. Could it be that BF does not know how limited we are? They seem to not be aware of how poorly we see in the dark because they continue to peek from behind trees at night as if we should be able to see them. They might assume a lot of things about us from their own capabilities, that are simply not true about humans. Edited February 11, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 If you are not a witness,like myself... and one who only examined and questioned his prior experiences based on knowledge gained well after the occurrences... I can tell you it is only a matter of turning your attention towards the evidence and keeping it there. There are millions of people who choose to not pay attention to it, and nothing says they must. I have no quibble with those people, at all, as long as they don't presume to know that BF doesn't exist. I've said many times, the tipping point of those paying attention vs. those not is creeping ever closer. It is not a quesition of "if." As a society, we'll wake up at some point... a point long past when we should have expected it. Come to think of it, we are probably past that mile marker already. Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Thanks for that insight SWWASP, I have yet to find anything of substance, other than recordings and hearing them myself in 2013, The must not vocalize very much or at all, as those two instances I heard them still remain the only ones, even after countless nights recording trying to capture them again, likewise this shows that is not any type of common animal to my area, but I already knew that was not the case after living hear 12 years and never hearing anything before that like them. Edited February 11, 2015 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crowlogic Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Seems to me a hot air balloon would get Falcon in the air reasonably cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 But what if a well aimed rock brings the whole thing down????? I've heard how far and strong the rock throwing abilities are of the hairy people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Badger Parade, Since you are far away and 'new' to this subject, I suggest an excercise for you to learn about the persons involved with Falcon entertainment. Check the list of 'big name' people and find out how many have seen a Sasquatch. You will need one hand to count on. Fingers. I viewed the list awhile back and was surprised that Santana was not listed. After all, he is the "Father of Woodknocking". Fundraising was difficult. Only entertainment money for failure marketing could pull this over/off. The Kickstarter campaign closed after 45 days and collected 3% of the goal monies. There was a fundraiser at Portland Oregon, June 2013, and a handful of people showed up. Quoting Meldrum: "That is not just a fluke, that's an entire community turning its back". Time to turn the page on those people. Poor bastards on the 'ground teams' are going to get hosed. I am not too familiar with Title 14 CFR ( Code of Federal Regulations ) but I see several classes of airships. Utility airship is one and gas buoyancy can be provided by 3 means: Helium Hydrogen Hor Air................. Hmmmmm, couple choices there. I have only seen conceptual imagery of the poofy bags. Thrusters are close to the longitudinal axis. I would put the thrusters as far outboard as possible so as to be able to attempt control in precinct vortices. "attempt control in precinct vortices". But that's just me, still on the ground doing boot work. Not carrying a weapon. Thermal cameras are the new hoaxing tool. Some will disagree. Cost versus results????? My admiration is based not so much upon the possibility of their success but rather the mere fact that they're trying. The attempt is what matters; I imagine the people involved are fully aware of the likelihood- and the cost- of failure. But to go ahead anyway with their heads held high, exposing themselves to ridicule and scorn in the name of bothering to check up on something the rest of the world refuses to, is a beautiful thing. Having said that, you might well be right about a lack of results- but there's still cause for hope, I think. I'm sure I read somewhere that one of their initial flights will involve filming a man in a monkey suit, as well as a man in regular clothes, with their thermal imagers and whatever other equipment in order to ensure they'll know the difference between human, hoax or something else. It strikes me that, at the very least, they do have some idea of what they're doing- even if they haven't had an encounter. My biggest worry is if they get the thing working but, ultimately, find nothing, it will validate the view that there is nothing out there, and such a feat will never be able to be attempted again. But surely everyone here is united by hope! What else is there when you're interested in Bigfoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWWASAS Posted February 12, 2015 BFF Patron Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) People tell me that they are going to fly it around at 4000 feet AGL. Not likely a BF could throw that high. On the opposite side of the coin, not likely they can image a BF well enough to learn much from that altitude either. With the current critical look at drones going on, they could very well develop it then not be able to fly it. A national news channel the other day listed all the near misses with drones around major airports. It is illegal to fly a drone above 400 feet right now but airliners are having near misses at 3000 and 4000 feet. A drone in a engine could crash an airliner. I do not know how they expect to get authorization to fly the Falcon at the altitudes they plan to fly it. They obviously do not know that it takes years to get the FAA to rule on anything. And when the FAA learns what it is supposed to be looking for, they will put the request in their never decide file. Edited February 12, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catmandoo Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The listed imaging equipment can not penetrate the forest canopy. HD images of tree tops is boring. Scanning clearcuts is questionable for results. I see the weather as the #1 limiting factor. Rocket launches wait for weather windows. This airship has to function in 4 season areas. Untested and at a projected operating cost of 400K a year, huge sales of plaster casts, garments, coffee cups and mouse pads will be required. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I would think that anything above the treetops would be iffy unless they had great control and could fly in between the trees. And I agree at 3000 or 4000 that would be a waste of time and energy and illegal. Drones are easier to steer than a balloon as well so I'm not looking for a grand success yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catmandoo Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Sunflower Projectile throwing could be a problem at low altitudes and at the ground station/tether point.Testing the animal population will be interesting. Bears enjoy some plastics and the envelope will have a 'smell'. How will the avian group respond to this trespasser into their home airspace? A gaggle of geese pooping all over the envelope? Will the corvids tolerate this? What will the ravens do? I have watched a raven steal food out of the talons of a bald eagle. Very intelligent ( smarter than apes ), very calculating and capable of abstract thinking. Very common birds will do 'mob attacks' on hawks and eagles. I am curious about the raven--airship behavior. I'll take the ravens. Even at 4,000 feet above the ground, it will make a lot of noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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