SWWASAS Posted April 21, 2015 BFF Patron Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I do not even try to outsmart them any more. It has not worked, not particularly because I think they are smarter, but they are more experienced and better equipped to avoid me that I am finding them. I figure rightly or wrongly, that trying to outsmart makes me predictable, because that is rational behavior. So I try to be as unpredictable or irrational as I can. Changing direction of travel often, traveling steadily in a particular direction, then stepping behind something and just waiting and listening for a long time, then striking out in a different direction. When I did that accidently, with several changes of direction, I had my best yet encounter. If they had any idea I was in the area, my changes of direction would have it difficult to locate me. If we take the time and tune up our ears, we can hear them moving around. It is very subtle but once you pick up on it, you can hear them moving even when they are in the stealth mode and trying to move quietly. When they are traveling and either do not care who hears them because they are moving away, or do not know you are there, they are very noisy. I think this is probably their biggest weakness. It is difficult for 500+ lbs of anything to move quietly. Edited April 21, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Norseman, You may call it "hippie jibberish" but I call it "seeing the forest for the trees." Have you not heard how we have a water problem in California??? We have raped and pillaged this planet for so long that we may be nearing a point of no return. Out of the last 16 yrs or so, the last 14 were the hottest years on record. Whatever you want to call this situation, we have a problem. The hairy guys in the woods IMO know that they have to have water to sustain themselves. They will chase you away from a creek or a lake that they perceive to be their property. It's obvious to those who are dependent on water. In almost every state we are talking about "water" and how to keep it healthy (in my state we have had town hall type meetings). The one I attended was very seriously saying that the "talking" is just about over...we need to do stuff and NOW! We waste so much of "everything" but from what I've seen and heard the hairy guys only take what is needed. They take a things from our gardens, they eat some corn every now and then, they carry off one pig a year, and so I do not find it necessary to hunt them down and kill them???? Not "them" just one. If you cannot prove they exist? Then how do you propose to make humans respect the resource rights of other animals? If your worried about habitat loss? The you need a voucher specimen. And that is exactly is EXACTLY what at least five branches of the federal government - with the cooperation of most pertinent state agencies - have been doing for BF for about 150 years, and it has worked pretty dang well. The two reoccurring problems are rouge BF that have to be taken care of, and dealing with folks that believe - and once in a great while - succeed in putting "one on the slab for science". (Their system of taking care of this last problem is a life changing experience for those folks with good - but naive and ill-founded - opinions about the the government's ignorance of BF and what they actually are.) At some time the government will have to lay it all out for the public, but it won't be because another BF, or a portion thereof, is collected as another "voucher specimen" by some hapless hunter seeking fame and/or fortune. Do you have proof of any of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 I just don't follow the picnic basket argument or some of the logic given by Norseman. Norseman claims them to be dumb apes yet suggests rightly that an animal like a grizzly would come take your picnic basket to eat your chicken. BF does just the opposite. Why? Certainly like a grizzly, unless you are well armed, BF could do the same thing. BF systematically knocks off animal feed in farms, food in deer feeders, raids outdoor freezers on farms, etc, which are the equivalent for them of a Tasty Freeze for us in town. Not sure what the difference is other that it is unlikely BF go into town to find food. Bears go into town all the time, get tranquilized and hauled out into the forest. So is bigfoot smarter than a bear and that is why it avoids doing that? If so, how much smarter? Places with lots of apes or monkeys like some places in Africa and India are overrun with them. They are all over towns and can be hazardous to humans. How can we assume that apes or monkeys are always reclusive and that is the reason BF is reclusive when there is considerable evidence that suggests that the opposite can be true about apes or monkeys? I know a pilot that was bitten by a monkey on the street in Deli India. I recall several reports of monkeys or apes stealing babies from homes someplace. I don't know how smart BF is but I really do not follow some of this logic. Apes? Are some of the smartest animals on the planet..... They or we rather are not dumb. But there is a obvious gap between Homo Sapiens and extant great Apes. About 800 cc's of brain matter separate us. Big brains are expensive, it takes a lot of calories to fuel one. And if you don't hibernate? Then what? I think a Sasquatch of human like intelligence? Is pricing himself right out of the mountains or any other low yield ground that humans don't care about. Which brings him into conflict with us. And this question would have been settled long ago. Instead we find them to be more like a mountain gorilla or a Orang. Shy, secretive and not competing directly for high yield ground humans occupy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I have never seen an argument that they're human that doesn't seem, to me, overreaching on the interpretation. Whether they technically wind up "apes" or not, they seem from where I'm sitting clustering more around the orang/gorilla/chimp area of the spectrum than the human. It's true that a lot of recent research says our brains were spurred on in development by a diet very much higher in animal protein than any current ape's...and that this had to do with technical and physical refinements that the evidence just isn't showing for either current apes or sasquatch. I have always felt that our not having confirmed them yet speaks much more to the human capacity for denial than to the human nature of sasquatch. Edited April 21, 2015 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 According to NAWAC member Bob Strain, they are smarter than chimps. IMO, they certainly appear to be much "smarter" than the entire NAWAC membership. Apes? Are some of the smartest animals on the planet..... They or we rather are not dumb. But there is a obvious gap between Homo Sapiens and extant great Apes. About 800 cc's of brain matter separate us. Big brains are expensive, it takes a lot of calories to fuel one. And if you don't hibernate? Then what? I think a Sasquatch of human like intelligence? Is pricing himself right out of the mountains or any other low yield ground that humans don't care about. Which brings him into conflict with us. And this question would have been settled long ago. Instead we find them to be more like a mountain gorilla or a Orang. Shy, secretive and not competing directly for high yield ground humans occupy. Except, when they forage Casino (Concho) dumpsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Well, actually, if they were indeed smarter, a sensor would go off every time a NAWAC member tried to leave Area X, summoning a Band of Destruction that would have eliminated, pretty much, the membership of NAWAC. Instead, the apes are throwing rocks pounding the cabin running off into the woods using the dense vegetation to hide and being seen many many times anyway...and staying - so far - just out of range of people under in all probability the most restrictive rules of engagement in the history of firearms. Shoot, deer and turkey don't get hit every time. You saying they're smarter than us? We got guns. That says it all. Shoot, *bows and arrows* would say it all; *spears* would say it all. Edited April 21, 2015 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I have never seen an argument that they're human that doesn't seem, to me, overreaching on the interpretation. Whether they technically wind up "apes" or not, they seem from where I'm sitting clustering more around the orang/gorilla/chimp area of the spectrum than the human. It's true that a lot of recent research says our brains were spurred on in development by a diet very much higher in animal protein than any current ape's...and that this had to do with technical and physical refinements that the evidence just isn't showing for either current apes or sasquatch. I have always felt that our not having confirmed them yet speaks much more to the human capacity for denial than to the human nature of sasquatch. How long have you ever observed one in the field in a frontal viewing position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Are you a taxonomist? That's by way of saying your observations are not taxonomy. To me, remember, they are just one story...against thousands. I have no reason to take you over any single report I have read, never mind the thousands I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Well, actually, if they were indeed smarter, a sensor would go off every time a NAWAC member tried to leave Area X, summoning a Band of Destruction that would have eliminated, pretty much, the membership of NAWAC. Instead, the apes are throwing rocks pounding the cabin running off into the woods using the dense vegetation to hide and being seen many many times anyway...and staying - so far - just out of range of people under in all probability the most restrictive rules of engagement in the history of wildlife biology. Shoot, deer and turkey don't get hit every time. You saying they're smarter than us? We got guns. That says it all. Shoot, *bows and arrows* would say it all; *spears* would say it all. "Restrictive Rules of Engagement"? Really? Their (NAWAC) own published history of shooting incidents makes this protocol as totally moot. The alleged rock throwing incident (IMO) raises many questions in the veracity department. Am planning on being there later this week, may look up Mr. Branson as he and the principal lease holder worked for the same agency in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Not "them" just one. If you cannot prove they exist? Then how do you propose to make humans respect the resource rights of other animals? If your worried about habitat loss? The you need a voucher specimen. Do you have proof of any of this? Kill the FIRST one you see; that'll show'em we respect their rights. Yeah, kill a booger; that will give the rest a little room and a little more food. Some documentation; a bit of personal knowledge of it, admissions of some involved, partial list of lands set aside for them; that's about it. All of which you could have discovered yourself if you had spent the time trying to learn about them as you have on this forum nattering about the grandiose plan to collect (AKA, kill) a "voucher specimen". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Are you a taxonomist? That's by way of saying your observations are not taxonomy. To me, remember, they are just one story...against thousands. I have no reason to take you over any single report I have read, never mind the thousands I have. So, I take it that is a big NO, in the FTF observational department? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OntarioSquatch Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The dexterity that allows humans to create tools arose approximately 2.5 mya. Just before that, there would have been some very intelligent bipedal apes that didn't create tools or have technology. Based on that, a relict species of bipedal ape could theoretically have near-human intelligence and still live like typical wild apes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 ...and there is nothing that I think we can presume until we are studying the confirmed animal, full time. Even my presumptions based on what I've read are nothing but that. The blanks to be filled in are a lot bigger than the knowledge in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 While I personally have mixed feelings on the subject of killing a sasquatch, I found this news interesting: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/us-court-recognizes-chimpanzees-as-legal-persons#.ibzPwRglj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Kill the FIRST one you see; that'll show'em we respect their rights. Yeah, kill a booger; that will give the rest a little room and a little more food. Some documentation; a bit of personal knowledge of it, admissions of some involved, partial list of lands set aside for them; that's about it. All of which you could have discovered yourself if you had spent the time trying to learn about them as you have on this forum nattering about the grandiose plan to collect (AKA, kill) a "voucher specimen". Versus eradicate the whole species with the bulldozer?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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