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[Guest OntarioSquatch]

Bipedal footsteps could be interpreted as possibly one of her own kind though. 

 

I think the biggest factor was that she just didn't see them until they came around the bend. 

[Guest]

I don't believe there would have been much surprise Ontario, as Norseman pointed out they were quadruped foot steps and not bipedal anyway.

That is key.

If she heard the horse's coming, or at least the quadruple steps which I believe she would have done, the only surprise to her was for what was sitting on top of them.

 

Unless there was a herd of wild horses running Bluff Creek (highly unlikely), then the sound of horses meant one thing...

 

Humans.

 

I've rode horses all over the Rockies. Elk and muley's on public land associate horses with humans. I suspect any wild critter would do the same.

 

If she had heard 2 horses approaching in time I don't believe they would have ever seen her. Just my opinion, but I believe she was totally surprised....

[BobbyO]

I don't think it's as straight forward as that.

Today there are 22 plus managed wild horse herds in California, with the majority in NorCal albeit all east of the Bluff Creek general area ( and East of the I-5 ).

There were more in years gone by but surprise surprise the herds died out.

I don't really think we can say either way if the Sasquatch was surprised or not due to the horses or the humans, decent arguments on both sides.

Edited April 9, 2015 by BobbyO

[BobbyO]

I think personally that you have to consider that if elk etc associate horses with humans, it's because the horses that they associate humans with have humans on them.

I may be wrong.

Here's the California managed wild horse herds..

[Guest]

I knew that the majority of the herds were in Nevada. Makes sense they would move into Eastern California. I bought a mustang years ago at a BLM auction. Broke him myself, and he was an outstanding horse. I don't believe they were anywhere near as far west as Bluff Creek, but I could be wrong. I still believe she was totally surprised. At any rate, I bet she didn't expose herself in the open like that again for a while...

[BobbyO]

It's that exposing thing that I find interesting.

They have to do it at times, and they do do it at times.

It's the "when" that's most important though I guess, like you say.

There are some that say that they expose themselves on purpose which could be true although I don't think this would be the case in this instance.

One reason it might be though is if, as talked about before, there were young pretty close by.

I believe these things are ahead of the game in general so it might be the case that if there were young nearby, she new exactly what was on its way up that creek ( by smell probably/possibly ) and exposed herself intentionally.

If that isn't the case, she committed an error that not many Sasquatches seem to commit a great deal, but you can find lots of reports showing that now and again they do get exposed unintentionally and caught out by surprise.

I think that would be a very different scenario than when they expose themselves intentionally.

Edited April 9, 2015 by BobbyO

[norseman]

A hooved quadraped could be anything from a horse to a elk. Unshod of course!

[SWWASAS]

It's that exposing thing that I find interesting.

They have to do it at times, and they do do it at times.

It's the "when" that's most important though I guess, like you say.

There are some that say that they expose themselves on purpose which could be true although I don't think this would be the case in this instance.

One reason it might be though is if, as talked about before, there were young pretty close by.

I believe these things are ahead of the game in general so it might be the case that if there were young nearby, she new exactly what was on its way up that creek ( by smell probably/possibly ) and exposed herself intentionally.

If that isn't the case, she committed an error that not many Sasquatches seem to commit a great deal, but you can find lots of reports showing that now and again they do get exposed unintentionally and caught out by surprise.

I think that would be a very different scenario than when they expose themselves intentionally.

I agree that they do mess up now and then and make mistakes that get them caught in the open. I have been near logging roads, heard a vehicle coming, and from the sound cannot tell exactly when it will come in view. In some cases I do not want to be seen. Sometimes you think you have a lot of time to cross the road and you don't. Other times you cross then some time later the vehicle comes down the road. I think, that explains some cases of road crossing sightings. They would have the same difficulty judging how much time they have to cross before the vehicle comes into view.

I had an encounter in a location where three different trails originate out of the same area. I started down one, the trail was overgrown and I was wearing shirts and did not want to get my legs scratched up or covered with poison oak so turned around and came out the trail. Started down the second trail, but was not ready to leave the area as it went back to my vehicle so I reversed direction again, and started up the third trail because I had never gone that way. On the third trail, from the original direction the BF came towards me headed in the direction I was headed on the second trail before I turned around. If they knew at all I was out there, they would have had no idea where I was because of all my changes in direction. In any case they blundered right into me and came close for one to run right over me. That to me tells me they can make mistakes, misjudge, or that randomness on our part can make it more difficult for them to avoid contact. The less predicable we are the more difficult it is for them to avoid contact.

Edited April 9, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[SWWASAS]

The other thought I have are if they are protecting an area for some reason,  (nesting area, young present,  etc), then they might have an escalating level of reaction.     Humans with no exposure to bigfoot might not even react to a loud howl nearby that would drive other humans to leave.    Then if the BF threw a rock and the humans wrongly assumed it was some human prank, or a natural rock fall,  the humans might not leave then.  Trees and branches breaking might not even phase some people.   Those of us who spend a lot of time in the woods, know what is normal and what is not.    A casual hiker may not even know something is unusual or that they should be frightened.   I recall finding very fresh large cougar tracks on a trail, and I warned a solo small woman hiking I encountered as I left the area.    Her reaction was dismissive and she seemed very annoyed I even warned her.     She did not even have a hiking pole to jab at the cat.      So depending on how effective those  methods work to drive humans out of an area,   in rare cases,  the BF may decide that showing itself is worth showing itself to scare the human away.    As with other animals protection of their young would be very high on the BF priority.   

[Guest]

I dont see how the odds are that high of having an encounter. Thats a little too much, lightning andd the lottery? If it was that rare wouldnt there be far less reports?

[Trogluddite]

^^^

Well, an exaggeration, but not by much.  There are a lot of reports, but when put into the context of spatial area x time x # of humans, they are far less frequent than one realizes. 

 

For example, I'm relatively sure I'll get to 1,000 reports in my self-appointed slice of the country.  However, 1,000 reports/200 years is only 5 reports/year.  Let's say those five reports each year occur in an area that is roughly 10,000 square miles - now you only have 1 report every 2,000 square miles.  And out of all those people in those 2,000 square miles, only one person (usually) sees Bigfoot.

 

Even if you weight the numbers away from the 1800s, its still a rare encounter. 

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

Some of the best encounters seem to happen when someone comes around a bend. I was re-reading the Echo incident and saw that it said that Colyer came around a bend into a clearing where he saw the animal. It just sounded a lot like what happened to Roger Patterson and a lot of other people over the years.

[bipedalist]

I agree horse hooves and stealth can work together to make opportunity happen re: Sasquatch.

 

This sighting says it all to me:   http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_report.asp?id=13383

also this one: http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_report.asp?id=12302

[ShadowBorn]

So in a way what we are saying is that these creatures are able to count and tell the difference of humans and animals. That if we hide behind a horse that these creatures will not run since it believe in it's mind that it is a horse or an animal with four legs. and if the human is hiding behind the four legged animal it will not tell the difference?

 

See the thing about Patty is that she calmly walked away and was not in no hurry. Not like other reports where the creatures turned or ran out of sight quickly to evade. This creature (Patty)was in no hurry even though we do not know what was going through her head she felt that she was in no danger. We do know how the people were thinking when they had the sighting of Patty.

 

Just like my first sighting this creature also stayed calm while it just stood there as I watched it. Never did I know that there was another creature hiding in the bushes just feet from me. I did not know about this creature hiding in the bush until the next morning when it was told to me. I only saw the one that was standing like a pine tree. In plain site I was able to see this creature and it made no attempt to hide it's self.

 

So why do these creature act differently around different people? The thing about going into an isolated area is to some how use the falcon project as a plat form to guide a team in to where a group of creatures may be. Isolate one of the creatures, tranquilize it , and retrieve all the data required to prove their existence. This way a body does not need to be retrieved ,the more silent the better. But to be able to use the falcon project with a team that is ground savvy and is able to penetrate the forest by helo or by parachute might have a better chance at proving.

[Guest]

Does patty resemble any bf you've seen shadowborn?