kitakaze Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 OK, let me get this straight. This from the parks web site. "Located in southwest Washington State, the Gifford Pinchot National Forest encompasses 1,368,300 acres and includes the 110,000-acre Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument established by Congress in 1982." All those acres of land, and you expect that IF there is a Sasquatch running around out there that a few camera traps are going to capture an image of one. Also, the statement that in all those acres of land there exists only one Wolverine? See this is the problem I have with skeptics, their postulations are just as fantastical as the ones from the true believers. This will never be settled, and neither side will convince the other of their point, so why all the back and forth on this? I used to argue my point till I was blue in the face on the old forums, but came to realize it was all for naught. One is going to believe what they wish, and most have it so solidly fixed in their minds, both for and against, that argument is futile. Yes, its name is Wildy and it's been documented for the last three years and had hair samples taken on eight separate occasions... Once again, wildlife biology is not voodoo and 42 monitoring stations and a team of researchers working over three years can deduce that in fact one single wolverine lives on Mt. Adams in the GPNF and has neither mated nor produced offspring during that time.
kitakaze Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 The Gifford Pinchot is not a "park". It is in Pennsylvania, but it in Washington it is a national forest that has a park in it, the Mount Rainier National Park.
kitakaze Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 Where are the wolves? Here from a 2008 monitoring station image are members of Lookout Pack taken from the GP Task Force website... http://bigfootforums.com/ The animals are descended from wild wolves in BC and Alberta. Members of Lookout Pack have been killed by poachers and their remains recovered by officials. Still no Bigfoots.
Guest Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Kitakaze"Quote" Are you actually suggesting that Bigfoots are not as plentiful in the PNW as elswhere? "quote" Why yes I am suggesting that. The southeastern US has demonstrated quite a long hisory of sightings from Daniel Boone to the present day. Most of the erroniously termed habituation reports come from the east coast where apparently BF has lived in close proximity to humans sucessfully for a lot longer than in the PNW. Altho I disagree with the actions taken at Honobia, no one disputed it occurred, with the relevant fact being BF was raiding the homes outdoor freezers. The Clay County reports on the RFP website also demonstrate a long history BF & human contact in the southeast. So absolutely I'm suggesting the focus is not only on a region of the US with a lower population of BF, but by doing so is placing it's focus also on a area so large that it's virtually guarenteed to fail regarding Bigfoot. (JMO)
Guest Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Altho I disagree with the actions taken at Honobia, no one disputed it occurred, with the relevant fact being BF was raiding the homes outdoor freezers. I dispute it occurred. Can you point me to any matter of verifiable evidence that such an event occurred?
Guest Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 BFRO members were in attendence, I would suggest you contact them for more info, as I'm not affiliated.
Drew Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) It sounds like you are on the Kit train with the false assumption that eye witness sighting reports are merely a social construct. Would you deny that most legends, myths and social constructs are 3 person accounts about the boogie man etc. In your assessment then, first person accounts are also all fabrications and any other anecdotal evidence such as associated tracks are also imagined and misinterpreted. This would also be in direct conflict with reports from the East coast in to the Southern and Central US dating back to at least the 1800 of these sights. Or perhaps social constructs come in waves. Do you have an applicable wave theory? ************************************************************ I don't think they are merely a social construct, some of them are mistaken identities or hallucinations. It's the rationalization of these occurences that is integrally related to the social construct. For example: Someone 'sees' something they are unable to explain, that person finds there is a website where people talk about, and are encouraged to talk about the thing that they 'saw'. One of those types of websites is what I would call part of the Bigfoot infrastructure. Instead of figuring out what they really 'saw', they come to a Bigfoot website and are happy with the conclusion that they must have seen a Bigfoot. ************************************************************ I think most Native American legends, which some people claim are Bigfoot legends, were initially Boogie Man stories. Sometimes 1st person accounts are made up, in order to make the Boogie Man Stories more realistic to the target of the Boogieman story. MOTHER TO SON:Your grandfather once saw the Boogieman when he wen't past the forbidden river, why don't you go ask him about it? GRANDFATHER TO GRANDSON: Grandfather tells a story of a boogieman when he crossed the forbidden river. This is a first person boogieman story, even though it didn't really happen. ************************************************************ I think if you look hard enough for properly shaped tracks, you will find some. I have seen stumps shaped like Bigfoot, I have seen Branches shaped like Deer antlers, look at the impressions that qualify as BF tracks, most of them are just impressions in the mud, that someone said are Bigfoot tracks. Even the famous casts are all different, with a few common qualities, such as human proportions, large size, and toes. ************************************************************ Please explain Wave theory, I don't know what you are talking about here. Edited May 9, 2011 by Drew
norseman Posted May 9, 2011 Admin Posted May 9, 2011 Kit, We have trail cam footage, we also have some IR footage of alleged Squatch. In the one instance the footage was taken by a very well known and highly respected bow hunter from Easton's Bowhunting magazine (Fred Eichler). So I really don't think it was a hoax. But the quality is sub par as the trail camera's motion sensor was abit late. I posted this up before, and some thought it was a ghillie suit, and I do not agree at all. As far as Squatches not being readily available to come into a camera trap in a given area? I really logically do not have a problem with this, I think their populations are low enough and their territories are much, much larger than most mammals. And as a hunter, I myself have had only limited success with a camera trap. Who ever is getting shots of that wolverine needs to be commended. Awesome! It's funny while bear hunting last year, I was calling for my wife, and I called and called and called, weekend after weekend, day after day, with nothing. My wife was convinced that I had no idea what I was doing. I started to become convinced she was right. And then I called a 250 lbs boar to within 20 yards of her. The only bear we had seen the whole hunting season. You cannot call what isn't there. It isn't easy, located and closing with something elusive. And bears are elusive........much more sneakier and quiet than what people give them credit for. So what about a Squatch? I do think Kit has one point though, if they are raiding dumpsters in down town Seattle? We would have hours of security camera footage, and thousands of sightings. I flatly reject that this is happening.....
Guest Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I do think Kit has one point though, if they are raiding dumpsters in down town Seattle? We would have hours of security camera footage, and thousands of sightings. I flatly reject that this is happening..... Since most security camera's aren't specifically pointed at dumpsters, that may be the problem with a lack of footage. Most businesses don't guard the trash as vigiorously as they do the entrances & exits.
norseman Posted May 9, 2011 Admin Posted May 9, 2011 Since most security camera's aren't specifically pointed at dumpsters, that may be the problem with a lack of footage. Most businesses don't guard the trash as vigiorously as they do the entrances & exits. How many security cameras are in Seattle? How does the Sasquatch infil and exfil the objective* with out being recorded? (* = dumpster) How many hours does it take for a wild bear roaming around in that urban area to be discovered, located and trapped by Wildlife agents? (it's not that long)
Guest Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 How many security cameras are in Seattle? How does the Sasquatch infil and exfil the objective* with out being recorded? (* = dumpster) How many hours does it take for a wild bear roaming around in that urban area to be discovered, located and trapped by Wildlife agents? (it's not that long) I don't live in Seattle so I have no clue as to how many security camera's there are, you don't either so that point was a "wash". AS far as Bears? Since they aren't sedient OR deliberatly trying to avoid all detection I would agree they get rounded up fairly quickly. BTW...a dumpster as an "Objective"? Seriously?? Even my drill sargent couldn't pull that term off with a straight face!! (he tried while assigning guard duty) :D
Guest Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Since most security camera's aren't specifically pointed at dumpsters, . . . Folks at the Lucky Star Casino in Concho, OK claimed they had security camera footage of a bigfoot raiding a grease trap behind their restaurant.
Guest Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Folks at the Lucky Star Casino in Concho, OK claimed they had security camera footage of a bigfoot raiding a grease trap behind their restaurant. Thanks Saskeptic! I'd seen that, Casino's seem to have better security than most regular businesses like Burger King or Subway...even most grocery stores are lax that way. Now a grocery store would maybe have some good eats? Just guessing!! LOL!! Altho that would be a interesting research project!! Couldn't even begin to guess how I'd be asking the store manager? Um...cause your store butts up against the woods it's a prime candidate for Bigfoot dumpster diving...can I get an idea of the contents? LMAO!!! Anyone have a cheap tyvak suit?? (with the footies attached?) :D
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