gigantor Posted April 11, 2015 Admin Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) i disagree that cameras are pretty easy to spot. We have countless video of humans walking right past our trail cams setup in a high traffic area, without camo, just to see what would happen. Some even had dogs and we set bait right on front of the cameras. The dogs didn't even see it (see second vid). C1-clueless4.mp4 C1-clueless2.mp4 Edited April 11, 2015 by gigantor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stan Norton Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 There might be a world of difference between an unobservant human going for a stroll with a lot on his or her mind and a creature in tune with its surroundings. Now, put hair on that first guy...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTreeWalker Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Gigantor, I can't watch the vids, but yes I have seen people walk by game cams oblivious. However, I do agree with Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OntarioSquatch Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Hiding the camera well enough so that a person can't notice it is a step in the right direction I think. Just how in tune with their environment these animals are remains a question though. The NAWAC's 5 year camera trap study suggests that the animals avoid going to areas where the cameras are placed altogether. If their experiences are true, then I think these animals could be just as paranoid as the people who search for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantor Posted April 11, 2015 Admin Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) They can be "in tune" with a small portion of their environment, maybe their "nesting" area. But if the accepted hypothesis that they are nomadic and move around a lot is true (100 sq mile range), it is not plausible that they know every tree and bush within their range. They will walk right past the camera without noticing it, just like humans do. BTW, that cam was not hidden at all, it was strapped to a tree in plain view. Edited April 11, 2015 by gigantor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTreeWalker Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I've seen pictures of the bait setups, is it possible they can be recognized as human and avoided? Just a thought. And yes I do have a problem with almost total avoidance of trail cams in general. (I know I said 'almost'.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OntarioSquatch Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Over the last decade or so, a great deal of effort has gone into trying to get photos of these animals through the use of game cameras. The cameras are being placed in places where groups like the NAWAC and Olympic Project are sure these animals exist, yet we still don't have a single photo of one. Just from history alone, game cameras being used the way they are now are almost guaranteed to be useless. It's possible they are somehow able to notice the cameras. How exactly they would be able to do so is a question, but my theory is that they are extremely aware of their surroundings. If true, I think that the cameras need to be reinvented in a way so that they are much less noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantor Posted April 11, 2015 Admin Share Posted April 11, 2015 You guys might be right, but as my broker likes to say, past performance is not an indication of future results. Hope you're not suggesting we should stop trying. Should NASA stop looking for life in our solar system? they already have had countless missions and haven't found any... I for one, will keep placing trail cams out there, maybe I'll get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTreeWalker Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Gigantor, As will I. I have 5 cams and plan on being as creative as I can on using different tactics. Who knows maybe one of my ideas will work. :-) Edited April 11, 2015 by BigTreeWalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I'm with the camera guys. Keep trying. A hiker ferpetesake video'd a wolverine in the Sierra a few years back. Wolverine researchers have gone careers without a better opportunity. People have seen these *in their yards on their front porches looking in bedroom windows.* And lots of other places too. You might indeed get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 11, 2015 Admin Share Posted April 11, 2015 Well I think we have some camera trap photos and film of a Squatch. So I think this line of reasoning in null. It goes back to the very reason as to why pictures are worthless as proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 The only reason this topic is even still being discussed is the steady accumulation of evidence since Patty. Continued efforts can only help. Movement in the right direction is glacial but it's happening. And there may be more than one person who isn't going on stakeout with a rifle until he *sees* something telling him it might be worthwhile...and one of those might be the one that gets the proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17x7 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 So often you just see people strapping game cams to trees. They need to be covered in moss. Placed in hollow logs, looking out of knot holes. Maybe placed high in trees so they are above the line of sight like tree stands. If you put it where it can be seen, why are we surprised when things see them? 17x7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OntarioSquatch Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I think people would have better luck trying to win a lottery. A far more effective strategy in my opinion would be to keep a GoPro camera running at all times. Visual sightings are something that actually happen so if you have a camera on you when you finally see one, you'll at least get some footage, even if it is for just a few seconds. Someone in the Olympic Project claimed to have seen one while setting up a game camera on a tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTreeWalker Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I guess in that instance your using yourself for bait, which seems to work better than anything else! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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