Bigfoot Boredom

[steenburg]

I have not read this whole thread, but to just give my opinion. I would rather deal with endless hours of Sasquatch boredom, then give 5 minutes of my time to hoaxers, snake oil sales men, and the lunatics running the asylum that make up to much of today's Sasquatch field. Better to stick with actual research than waste time with those infected by "Ivan Marks Syndrome".

 

Thomas Steenburg

[Guest DWA]

^^^I'd agree with this.  I pay no attention to personalities and this week's Hoax, or Not?  The reports - reinforcing what this is over and over and over, showing no hint of hoax or copycat and every indication of individuals' unique encounters with an animal - and intelligent speculation on what we might find out about it when we finally devote full-time scientific attention to it are what interest me.

 

From the beginning - my first read was this article, before I was 11 - I have thought, this is an animal.  I don't see a naturalist's interest and inquiry in either the skeptics or most of the proponents.  That, to me, is the major issue.  This is a problem in the biological sciences.  But most people don't treat it like that.

 

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/wildlife1968.htm

Edited August 27, 2016 by DWA

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Just a little note on infrasound, there was a very long tube device that was made for sound studies, they were surprised to discover that tornadoes emit infrasound that can be detected from great distances, studies are being conducted to see whether this could be used to detect tornadoes before they form. If the study of infrasound continues and devices for its detection become more mainstream, maybe devices with directional capabilities will become another tool in the hands of sasquatch researchers. 

 

 

 

 

 

Infrasound is generally defined as sound waves with a frequency less than 20 Hz – the lowest range of human hearing. Unlike higher frequency sound in the audible range (20-20,000 Hz), infrasound with a frequency around 1 Hz can travel hundreds of miles under typical atmospheric conditions without significant atmospheric attenuation.

Natural sources of infrasound include volcanoes, earthquakes, avalanches, large ocean waves, meteors, and meteorological sources such as turbulence, thunderstorms and tornadoes.

“I have had a long-standing interest in infrasound, and that interest was heightened after I was contacted by Hank Rinehart of GA-EMS, who leads an infrasound group at the company,” Dr. Knupp says. “They had some infrasound detectors operational during the April 27, 2011 super tornado outbreak, which accurately detected and tracked the Hackleburg (EF-5) and Cullman (EF-4) tornadoes.

Rinehart, who is GA-EMS’ business area director of Sensors and Surveillance Systems, says an internally funded analysis of GA-EMS infrasound sensors that were operational on April 27, 2011 demonstrated further evidence of persistent and high-coherence infrasound emissions during the lifecycle of multiple tornadoes. The analysis was presented by the company at the 164th meeting of the Acoustical Society of America in Kansas City, Mo.

“The GA-EMS Sensors group has a rich history of innovation in acoustic technologies. As part of our continued research and development efforts, GA-EMS has developed and matured acoustic and infrasound sensors, systems and associated algorithms for the principal purpose of providing awareness, detection/warning and tracking of acoustic and infrasonic sources of interest to our customers across industry, academia and numerous government agencies,” Rinehart says.

“In a collaborative role with UAH and the Madison County Commission, GA-EMS serves as the infrasound sensor provider and signal analysis lead for capturing and processing infrasonic emissions from tornadic severe weather systems,” Rinehart says. “Our desire is to promote further understanding of the underlying mechanisms of infrasound generation by severe weather phenomenon.

“The end result is the integration of scientific research with advanced sensor systems to enhance the warning process and reduce false alarms by providing additional, independent data to support the confirmation of the presence of tornadoes,” Rinehart says.

“We plan to collaborate with GA-EMS on future projects, and are currently developing a collaborative proposal to conduct basic and applied research in this area. We hope to determine the infrasound detection efficiency of all tornadoes from weak – EF0 – to strong – EF5,” Dr. Knupp says. “This includes the maximum range of detection of tornadoes, and how that depends on tornado intensity and size.”

Also under study will be whether infrasound is generated prior to the development of a tornado on the ground.

“If precursor signatures do exist, then infrasound detection offers another source of information for tornado warnings,” says Dr. Knupp. “Even if tornadoes are in progress, infrasound detection will indicate that a tornado is indeed in progress.”

Besides visual detection that is of limited use at night, the only source of “direct” detection of tornadoes is a dual polarization radar signature that tends to be more reliable at relatively close range.

“Infrasound detection offers a capability to economically fill in gaps in radar coverage,” Dr. Knupp says. “If the public understands that direct detection has a very high level of accuracy, then we believe that complacency can be reduced through public education.”

A relationship between infrasound and tornadoes was suggested in the 1960s and 1970s, and further established by National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientists who conducted research that has correlated infrasound sources with verified tornadoes. However, the manner in which infrasound is generated by tornadoes is not completely understood.

Also of interest is infrasound’s potential use to better predict approaching severe weather.

“Some previous research suggests that infrasound may be useful,” says Dr. Knupp. “This will be an important future research topic for this project.”

[norseman]

On August 26, 2016 at 9:31 PM, steenburg said:

I have not read this whole thread, but to just give my opinion. I would rather deal with endless hours of Sasquatch boredom, then give 5 minutes of my time to hoaxers, snake oil sales men, and the lunatics running the asylum that make up to much of today's Sasquatch field. Better to stick with actual research than waste time with those infected by "Ivan Marks Syndrome".

 

Thomas Steenburg

 

QFT

[Lake County Bigfooot]

I wont be buying stock in Biscardi's company, even if it was mistakenly valued at 10 million dollars recently. The fact that individuals see this as an enterprise that can be manipulated and tapped for personal gain is nothing new, however the tactics we are seeing are. I think that it will become increasingly difficult to weed out the elaborate tails from the truth, as I have stated in another thread on the topic. We need to stick with the facts in order to get to the bottom of this, in my world entertainment takes another form, although I certainly enjoy hearing about a true encounter. It need not be over the top fabrication for my ears to listen up...

Edited August 29, 2016 by Lake County Bigfooot

[SWWASAS]

Lake County we had a tornado recently within about 4 miles of my house.    EF 2 but it did some damage.      I have been around them in Arkansas and Texas and that low rubble is very distinctive.     I heard the nearby thunder and the sound and just knew a tornado was close.   Unless BF zaps someone or uses it to communicate in some way I think they use it very rarely.      It could even be very taxing to produce it or only be strong enough for effect if produced by a large male.    It seems very non directional because of you feel it more than hear it and your two ears cannot seem to determine direction like normal sound.    I suspect the waves are so long that there is little difference ear to ear and your brain cannot determine direction like it normally does with a sound if you hear it at all to begin with.   

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Well my other side thread to this one, Bigfoot Boloney is coming back to the scene under its more sustainable name....apparently the other name was not sustainable....

[guyzonthropus]

SWW- low frequency sound waves are indeed quite long, even at the lower range of  our hearing they can be over 30' per cycle, and are far less directional than the higher frequencies(which is why those sound barriers along freeways don't do much for blocking the low notes, so to speak...the lower sound waves simply roll over them)

 

With creatures of their size, producing infrasound May not be so taxing, in that they have the resonance chambers, and the air flow. I'm not sure if rhinos use it, but it seems a good number of marine mammals of sufficient size do. Not sure about walruses, but in light of their niceness they might well, but for what I couldn't say... guess I need to check and see if any such research has been done with them, but if so, I'd imagine they might be the only extant pinnepeds to do so.

[guyzonthropus]

In regards to the walruses (walri?) it was in light of their hugeness as opposed to their niceness that one might consider them as potential infrasound capable creatures...

Dang autocorrekt!

[Lake County Bigfooot]

I would compare Sasquatch growl to that of a tiger, it tends to paralyze its victims. If they can produce infrasound it might very well serve them in hunting, deer might also become more disoriented. It is pretty well accepted that they produce some type of infrasound, now is that something we can capitalize on when trying to detect them? Some of the infrasound detector companies list the above mentioned large animals as being detectable with the devices. Problem is I do not think it differentiates much, so all infrasound is detected, and that would lead to a lot of false hits if you were simply trying to detect Sasquatch. I think the most interesting method of detecting sasquatch might be the possibility of a discerning type of infra sound detector, one that could differentiate where the source is coming from and the frequencies being used. Perhaps then we might begin to use this in field research. William Barnes told me that he thought this was the key to locating them in the future, and maybe he is right. It just might be.

[SWWASAS]

I have been growled at and did not feel any effects other than fear and deciding I needed to back away like I would with any other animal that growled at me.       I heard no growl when I was zapped.    I think infrasound or seismometers  could be used to track or detect BF moving about just from their footfalls.    An 800 lb biped is a walking earthquake.        The one I heard coming at me in 2011 sounded like the T-Rex in Jurassic park as far as footfalls.    Since then I have listened for thuds and that is my best method of determining if one is around.      If I hear any noise in the bush, I close on the noise and try to get them to move tree to tree to stay out of sight.       That usually gets one, two or three thumps as they move tree to tree to move away.    The thuds are right at the bottom limit of my hearing.    There is no guarantee that what I hear is a BF because any large animal moving about can make the thuds.    But the one, two, or three thumps is quite unlike other large animals which I have flushed, especially those with 4 legs.     The problem with trying to get BF to break cover is that they can move away faster than I can close in heavy timber.    So other than forcing the thuds,   I have never successfully got them to break cover.    The one time I got one cornered I got growled at by that one and another flanked me and broke a tree off right behind me.     I got the idea and bailed out.   

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Yah, and when your dealing with 5 footers in a marsh, probably on all fours and less than 2 feet in height in that position, well your outmatched.  My recent attempt in July to flush the juvenile wood knocker was a bust. I am sure he just slid off somewhere to watch me in disgust...or possibly comic relief...either way it was frustrating to have his area pinned down and not be able to make him show himself, which is why I bolted from my bed at 445 am ish to see if that would prevail, it didn't...

[guyzonthropus]

SWW-that last encounter you mentioned sounds a bit unnerving! But I'm sure from their perspective, you had it coming..."How dare that dwarf come into our area and act like that! Why of course I broke a tree at him!"

[Lake County Bigfooot]

When I think of spending a week outdoors, perhaps fishing or hiking or something of that sort, I'm not the least bit bored. Add Sasquatch to the equation as a possible side activity to an otherwise enjoyable trip and it becomes all the more spicy. The boredom only comes looking toward the web thinking it will provide something of excitement, or to the TV and Cable for a possible new Finding Bigfoot Episode, which although generally boring, at least they go to some nice areas and speak to some eyewitnesses, their night excursions could be almost completely left out for me. One thing I really do not get, is as soon as they get a wood knock, they often go right to a holler, which I am sure completely gives them away. Maybe that is intentional so that they really do not get investigated by the Sasquatch, they just hope it responds. I would much rather see them camped out in a tree stand along a deer trail and just sit and wait, maybe do a tree knock or two, but nothing more. I might take that approach myself, look how many class A sightings come from deer hunters in tree stands...quite a few...

[Guest Waggles]

Actually there's a lot of stuff going on out there it's just none of it gets through the grapevine here.

I had a roommate who had a very close citing when they were deer spotting up in the mountains. he doesn't watch Bigfoot shows doesn't know anything about it was homeless for the time when the Bigfoot shows were becoming popular got locked out of the library at cetera this guy has no popular culture interest in Bigfoot they passed by it in the car about five to ten feet away as it was walking he was very animated when talking about it he hunched over and was swinging his arms, and he talked about how big the nose was like boom" it had a big nose" and with his hands he would go up to his face and emphasize how big the nose was. at first they sort of thought it was an escaped orangutang thing because it was a brownish type of color it just kind of looked at them he figured it was chasing the deer that they had spotted. This was in the nineties. I looked on the BFRO map and it is a minor Bigfoot area. there was three people in the truck and it was about 10 feet maximum away from them it looked annoyed he said. he gave pretty good descriptions of what we know we've heard about Bigfoot. I would rate The credibility up in the 90 percentile.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Waggles