Branco Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 2 hours ago, starchunk said: If they're manipulating the "facts" in any direction it seems they have an agenda. I say they are to be avoided. Who? What facts? An agenda to .......? Switch channels? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Branco said: Who? What facts? An agenda to .......? Switch channels? I'm going to take a stab at this and say that 'starchunk' is talking about: 1) The BFRO is manipulating facts by suppressing aggressive BF reports (Moneymaker) ergo an agenda- or protecting species and Humans or just greed. 2) 'Finding Bigfoot' is manipulating facts by suppressing aggressive BF activity (Moneymaker) ergo an agenda- or protecting species and Humans or just greed. IDK. I'm prolly way off what 'starchunk' meant, but I think it's at least in the ballpark? Edited July 6, 2017 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I feel so inadequate. My posting text color defaults to whatever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Thanks! Couldn't figure out what he meant. (You think that may have something to do with old age and rascality?) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 OFR! Old Farts Rule! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Branco said: Thanks! Couldn't figure out what he meant. (You think that may have something to do with old age and rascality?) Oh, Rascality fer sher 1 hour ago, Yuchi1 said: OFR! Old Farts Rule! Ha! You BETCHA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchunk Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 18 hours ago, Branco said: Who? What facts? An agenda to .......? Switch channels? The BFRO. They are for profit, and I think on one level that guides theirs motives more than an effort to research the phenomenon to a conclusion. Their overall reputation has been damaged by Finding Bigfoot to in my opinion. And daily Moneymaker is tweeting "facts" on twitter that are just plain silly. so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 2 hours ago, starchunk said: The BFRO. They are for profit, and I think on one level that guides theirs motives more than an effort to research the phenomenon to a conclusion. Thanks for the clarification. Certainly can't dispute your opinion on the "profit" angle. Their overall reputation has been damaged by Finding Bigfoot to in my opinion. The BFRO's data base of sightings and actual encounters by ordinary folks is a lot more interesting to me than the show. I keep watching it though just in case Ranae has to climb a persimmon tree to keep a Bigfoot from kissing her. (I know, I know; she's the designated skeptic. Just kidding. ) And daily Moneymaker is tweeting "facts" on twitter that are just plain silly. so.... Well......, I don't read his "tweetings" daily - but I understand what you mean. I will have to agree though that sometimes he gets his 'factual opinions' "bass ackwards". One example is his statement that "Bigfoot follows packs of hunting coyotes to steal the prey animals they kill." (Just about strangled on whatever beverage it was that I was consuming when I heard that one.) Regards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Branco said: One example is his statement that "Bigfoot follows packs of hunting coyotes to steal the prey animals they kill." Five'll getcha ten that he heard that from someone. Can't imagine that he actually witnessed such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 54 minutes ago, hiflier said: Five'll getcha ten that he heard that from someone. Can't imagine that he actually witnessed such a thing. I don't have a clue about where or how he came to that conclusion, but that source got its/their wires crossed some way or the other. That's not the way it works in the South/Southeast. Down here the coyotes will and do follow Bigfoot hunting groups to scavenge if the group doesn't carry off the kill. But, if any of the coyotes get in too close behind the Bigfoot when they are closing in on a prey animal, and they screw up the Bigfoot's hunt, one or more coyotes are going to be run down and killed or skinned alive. The most pitiful animal sounds I've ever heard. The same thing happens to yard dogs that won't back off and allow a Bigfoot to forage around a residence. Notable and documented cases in AL and AR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gigantor Posted July 7, 2017 Admin Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2017 The original post posits that Moneymaker is hurting the BF field. I think you guys are over-analyzing here... the exposure Matt gets is with the uninformed public via his show. The average viewer doesn't know much about the details, they tune in for the novelty of the subject. They have no idea about the details and are not interested in the minute details. We're talking very short attention span with little focus. You guys (we) are hardcore groupies, we know all about it and have spent years analyzing the subject matter. So you nit-pick and you are correct sometimes about inaccuracies, errors and ommitions. But realize, the average viewer doesn't know and doesn't care... that's who Matt is targeting. So, I disagree he's hurting the field, if anything, he's helping to spread the idea that BF exists. As evidence, I submit that when Finding Bigfoot is on the air, BFF traffic increases by about 30%. When the season ends, traffic decreases. Those are hard numbers and prove that Matt is helping the field by generating interest, no question about it. Also, it seems that many people bash the BFRO for whatever reason, but we all use their database for many purposes, yet Matt gets no credit for keeping that going. The BFRO also produces researchers. Many researchers here got interested because of the BFRO, including your truly. It's not right. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson-Gimlin Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Great post. A plus for the tech guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowBorn Posted July 7, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2017 ^^ I am in the same vote there too ^^ At first I was against the idea of turning the BFRO as a tourist guide. But then look at this differently with the fact that they were out teaching and gaining equipment. It is very rare to have a sighting with a large group of people running around in the forest. This also goes with the program FB where they have a crew of cameras filming . There is just no way that these creatures will ever come close and into view. But to bring exposure to the public and letting the public know that these creature are out there is a some thing that I sure do agree with him and his crew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioyza Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Well said gigantor, plussed. This has always been my take on Matt as well, as much as I was disappointed by Finding Bigfoot when it first aired, if you were hanging around the BFRO forums at the time you'd know he was extremely disappointed as well with the direction the producers took with it. However, it was also clear from day 1 that his primary goal with the show was simply to spread awareness, and there's no doubt they've been successful on that front. Also agree on the BFRO reports database, I too wouldn't be here without it, and I genuinely believe it's the most important contribution to the field anyone's made. I can forgive a fair amount of eccentricity in the guy for those reasons alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 It depends on what one's personal goals are and whether they are aligned with the BFRO's and Moneymaker's seem to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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