indiefoot Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Taking a chunk of meat to a university and dropping it on them and putting together a study involving scores of samples representing 20 individuals of the purported new species are two different things. A single sample could be construed to be and oddity, a mutation. 20 individuals argues for a population. So far no one but Dr Ketchum has been willing to go the distance with DNA samples and try to put together what was needed to constitute proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) I spent numerous hours a few days ago doing various searches using Google and Yahoo, knowing that they will often cache pages even if they no longer exist on a website. Got tons of Tax.net results, but none of the topic herein. Its doubtful that a whole thread would be saved in Google Cache, but there would be enough to verify the story, especially with an alleged 60 pages before said thread supposedly got closed. I also searched using various keywords at Taxidermy.net as well, and frankly, between the three sources, only one reference in April comes up that acts as any form of corroboration to this claim. The reference in April that came up was indeed mention of Sasquatch in a 60 page thread. But could that have been planted information? I've also learned that the individual who was referenced, has more then a passing interest in Bigfoot too. Now granted, maybe somehow more references are being omitted from my search results, but I'm not finding any other random mentions at the site using their Search engine. Nothing! Slimwitless, tell me, what thread did you run across that contained those references you mention at Taxidermy.net because so far I haven't found those either. So I have this question for BOTH Silver Fox and Derekfoot. And please Derek, answer this one okay. Have either of you actually read any of the prior alleged thread at Taxidermy.net? I'll also point out that bear meat is very greasy, which could fit the description of the piece being discussed. I would think that if the sample tests out as not being bear and instead as something more interesting, the parties that matter (Dr. Ketchum) would share such corroboration so as to demonstrate they are themselves relying on a good faith claim. Unfortunately the power of suggestion can be self replicating and here we have two sources claiming essentially the same base story, but really, is there even any corroboration of the original thread claim? I simply have to wonder if there's a possibility that all parties thereafter have been fooled? And now what is feeding the claim is the slightly diff claim from a second person. A sort-of competition if you will. From my understanding, Derek has never been to the scene nor has he met the hunter, and has only talked to him on the phone. Has this changed? He also says he has seen evidence in support of the hunter's claim, but if its just a piece of meat, well I'm afraid that in itself is insufficient. We know from the past that there are people out there who truly get their kicks from fooling bigfooters. I ran into one hunter last Fall who tried to pass me a trailcam photo, but I was able to find manipulation, as a result nobody online ever saw it passed around. More recently, a friend of mine informed me of someone he is acquainted with who is aware of a past hoax against some bigfooters. I don't know the details yet but I am trying to find out more. Not saying its anywhere related to this situation, just that it has become a game for some. So Derek, unless you've actually seen detailed photos or video of the bodies (which if coming from those with a taxidermy background isn't proof either), then I'd suggest you have someone who isn't emotionally involved have a look at the evidence you have been presented. I know you have reservations about me because I am questioning the Skookum evidence, but even you know that that evidence hasn't been properly evaluated. Anyway, while the absence of internet search results doesn't completely rule out that there was a dIscussion at Taxidermy.net, those close to this should still have some form of corroboration of that alleged thread. Something! So far all I have seen are the bigfoot and paranormal sites carrying and discussing the story, ultimately giving the story a life of its own I fear. Why is there nothing any more supportive at the original site? I find that very odd. I would expect more existing references there. Furthermore, there are a few people on that board who are into bigfoot, and one active poster even has his sig line containing bigfoot, so I can't believe that such a story would have gotten to the alleged 60 pages and removed, before getting out to this field. That makes no sense. Two bigfoot shot and 60 pages go by before this field picks it up? So frankly, I must wonder if there was ever such a thread in the first place, or has the story just leapfrogged along based on claims of claims that came after? Dr. Ketchum, if you are reading and don't mind answering, if this story is true and you have been submitted a piece of meat, has that sample been tested enough to rule out bear? There are a number of things that don't add up in the field situation too. In daylight, you just don't misidentify a bigfoot from a bear at 80-100 yds, especially with a scope. There was no risk to the people in the vehicle at that range either given the behavior described. Clearly the hunter would not have been certain of his target in stating he thought it was a bear, when/if clearly it was not. As for flies laying eggs, that probably wouldn't be much of a problem during that time of year if there was already snow on the ground as claimed. It is often bitterly cold in that region at that time of year at night and flies don't move around much in the day unless there is a warm sun. And if eggs were somehow laid, the maggots would propagate very slowly due to the subfreezing nights. However, there is no way the birds would miss any meat unless it was quickly buried in snow. But if other scavengers had found the body, as the reason for the alleged piece, well then the birds would have also found it, they find all predation, and no such piece could have survived. So I am having problem with the piece of meat evidence especially given the caliber of the round, the supposed shot placement, and field circumstances. The devil is always in the details and some contradictions surely have surfaced and will continue to do so until they are discounted. Derekfoot, maybe you feel you have good solid evidence that leads you to believe the story to be the truth, but if its only a photo of a piece of meat and a good story, think twice because that's how elaborate hoaxes are constructed. Make sure its not you that is being taken for a ride here okay. Thank you P.T. I just sincerely believe that these good people here are being fooled or teased by some pranksters. The story is just too bizarre, and it keeps changing and keeps going, and things change again; so I feel terrible, I think good people here are being *pranked* by a poster, and I don't think Ashton Kutcher is involved.. Edited July 21, 2011 by SweetSusiq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dr hook Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 In my intro, I stated that I am a "middle of the road" BF enthusiast. In a nutshell, I would love for it to be real (and feel that it is probable), but there is currently zero proof, and this story is just that IMO.............pure BS that will go nowhere, once again. Another thing that is troublesome is this habit of trying to establish the illusion of credibility with pretentious labeling and terminology, it doesn't help the cause of the serious searchers IMO. The whole setup of these stories/leaks etc. have shown to be false time and time again. I have my own take on the search for BF, and it involves firearms. The current "Georgia" hoax had my heart pounding I will admit, I was 99% sure it was another hoax, but for the first time in years, that 1% was an incredible feeling. The current crop of hoaxes are following a pattern, and will have to morph to keep the belief alive. We can find the parallels in the UFO community, and how they had to change with the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Thanks Slimwitless but can't seem to open the thread link, at least w/o an account. They spelled it Sasquach without a 't'? Edited July 21, 2011 by PragmaticTheorist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HairyGreek Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I spent numerous hours a few days ago..... Everything in your post has been addressed or questioned in numerous other posts in the two to three other threads on this topic. DerekFoot asked to be removed from the board because he was tired of answering the same questions over and over and no one believing him. I think we are all just going to have to be patient and wait. It is fun to speculate, but let us let the people in the know get everything in a line before we ask them more questions. Dr. Ketchum has said she has PLENTY of samples to go on. If that is bear "steak", I don't think it is going to go over on a lady who was using DNA to identify unknown animals long before she believed in Bigfoot. Instead of putting all the time and energy into taxidermy.net research, how about researching our forum and put up the definitive list of events with all the players and what they have said for certain. Let us see where that leads us instead of going in circles with the same old questions that have been asked and answered ad nauseum. If we then see questions unanswered (or answered in an implausible fashion), we can adress those directly. Just some thoughts and MHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yeah I've read the other threads here Hairy and there are things that don't add up. Derekfoot has also left before on other issues and come back. We also happen to be watching out for him and Ketchum here in case you haven't noticed. No question this one sample will have little impact on the entire study if its bear, but if it is, its much better to throw it out early then have it remain part of the mix and to muddy the waters later. A photo of a piece of meat would not be evidence of bigfoot either. Anyone can accomplish providing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Ketchum confirmed it and it's size on a radio program. I have the link somewhere...not handy. Google? But we do not know what that specimen was, nor exactly where it came from.Someone showed up with a steak of some sort. HTG, Even I could do that and turn something in to keep the prank going. Some people love nothing better than to make BF believers look like clowns who know nothing and accept anything as possible proof. The guy who turned in the sample, did it cost him anything? He gets to continue the joke as long as possible by turning something in; submitting something that he came up with. I'm just sincerely concerned that in the midst of this story there may be a * kernel* of truth, but in the whole, I believe that it is a prank being pulled on our members, and that makes me sad. They do not deserve to be treated this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bsruther Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Here's a screen cap from taxidermy.net that gives reference to the bigfoot thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wtwest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Would someone mind giving me a brief overview of the video evidence that Erickson supposedly has? I'm late to the party on this one unfortunately, and I haven't been able to find a good summary. Also, I've heard that he bought tracts of land that had copious amounts of bigfoot activity? If this is true, what has he been doing with the land? Understandable if there are no answers to these questions, but I just thought I'd try to find out as much I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HairyGreek Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 But we do not know what that specimen was, nor exactly where it came from.Someone showed up with a steak of some sort. HTG, Even I could do that and turn something in to keep the prank going. Some people love nothing better than to make BF believers look like clowns who know nothing and accept anything as possible proof. The guy who turned in the sample, did it cost him anything? He gets to continue the joke as long as possible by turning something in; submitting something that he came up with. I'm just sincerely concerned that in the midst of this story there may be a * kernel* of truth, but in the whole, I believe that it is a prank being pulled on our members, and that makes me sad. They do not deserve to be treated this way. I cannot see her asking the other guest ( I believe Derek?) if she could speak on it if it wasn't relevent. But that is just plain old speculation and JMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted July 21, 2011 BFF Patron Share Posted July 21, 2011 And this one. What's fascinating to me is that the Sasquatch shooting thread was 60 pages long?! Apparently Northern Nevada is discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HairyGreek Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Would someone mind giving me a brief overview of the video evidence that Erickson supposedly has? I'm late to the party on this one unfortunately, and I haven't been able to find a good summary. Also, I've heard that he bought tracts of land that had copious amounts of bigfoot activity? If this is true, what has he been doing with the land? Understandable if there are no answers to these questions, but I just thought I'd try to find out as much I could. A good place to start... http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/matilda/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Okay Slimwitless, I went ahead and joined and read the thread in question. That thread was started May 29th and yes there are a few mentions there, but nothing seriously supporting that couldn't have been simply stated to further the hoax within an otherwise general 'what would you do' type thread. I had read the one you posted bsruther, the poster Ron B. from Alabama seems to have a long time interest in bigfoot. That's just one reason why this all concerns me a bit. I found this a few days ago. With people there who have knowledge on the subject, how could a 60 page thread not reach the field earlier? Edited July 21, 2011 by PragmaticTheorist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Okay Slimwitless, I went ahead and joined and read the thread in question. That thread was started May 29th and yes there are a few mentions there, but nothing seriously supporting that couldn't have been simply stated to further the hoax within an otherwise general 'what would you do' type thread. I had read the one you posted bsruther, the poster Ron B. from Alabama seems to have a long time interest in bigfoot. That's just one reason why this all concerns me a bit. I found this a few days ago. With people there who have knowledge on the subject, how could a 60 page thread not reach the field earlier? I'm not sure what you're saying. The thread mentions the shooter's name (which confirmed my own research). It contains posts from Lindsay's original source. There are several references to the shooter's original thread. There is some information about the shooting itself. Are you saying long time posters on that forum started the "no camera" thread as part of an elaborate hoax? That seems unlikely. The original thread would be extremely telling. Unfortunately there's no way of knowing whether it's archived without cooperation from the forum's admins. Maybe it exists in some taxidermist's browser cache somewhere. I really don't think it's going to turn up anytime soon. Someone should start a thread there referencing this thread here. Perhaps something interesting would happen. Edited July 21, 2011 by slimwitless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterbarber Posted July 21, 2011 Admin Share Posted July 21, 2011 If the alleged shooter is the same person that's named by a reader at cryptomundo then that individual appears to be pictured on the OP website: http://www.olympicproject.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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