bipedalist Posted July 21, 2011 BFF Patron Share Posted July 21, 2011 Funny thing is.....that OP member seems to be a recent addition, as I remember early on that member was not pictured or mentioned on the website, doesn't mean he wasn't on the team. Just something else to think about I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure what you're saying. The thread mentions the shooter's name (which confirmed my own research). It contains posts from Lindsay's original source. There are several references to the shooter's original thread. There is some information about the shooting itself. Are you saying long time posters on that forum started the "no camera" thread as part of an elaborate hoax? That seems unlikely. Nope, not saying that at all. What if the shooter's name was referenced by by us only because of that thread? Are you of the opinion that Smeja is the alleged shooter Slim? He is indeed a member of the Taxidermy site and lives in the area about an hour SW of the alleged location. (Edit: Make that 2 hours given the mountainous terrain but a decent but sometimes winding highway along I-80) Not sure how he could be oblivious to all the discussion as someone had previously mentioned given his new position with the O project. Edited July 21, 2011 by PragmaticTheorist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 If the alleged shooter is the same person that's named by a reader at cryptomundo then that individual appears to be pictured on the OP website: http://www.olympicproject.com/index.html Well, That did narrow the field down to about 8 men...from 50 (billion) million(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Are you of the opinion that Smeja is the alleged shooter Slim? He is indeed a member of the Taxidermy site and lives in the area about an hour SW of the alleged location. (Edit: Make that 2 hours given the mountainous terrain but a decent but sometimes winding highway along I-80) Not sure how he could be oblivious to all the discussion as someone had previously mentioned given his new position with the O project. Yes, that's my opinion. To be clear, I'm not the first to reach this conclusion. I believe the Lindsay's original story stated the Olympic Project had taken the "shooter" under their wing. It was basically a process of elimination from there. The taxidermy.net threads supported that conclusion early on. Also, remember the alleged shooter posted here as General. Stubstad's last post criticized the shooter for what he described as "sick" images on his social networking site. There were a few images on Smeja's MySpace page that some might disturbing. Shortly after that exchange, Smeja's MySpace profile was set to private. The images in question are no longer visible. It's also interesting to note General responded to Stubstad providing an email address starting (coincidentally?) with "js". I didn't want to be the first to raise the possibility. It appears a poster on Cryptomundo (not me) has that honor. He claims his information came from someone in the know. Again, this is just my opinion. If I'm wrong, I apologize to Mr. Smeja. Hopefully he can set the record straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bsruther Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Don't have to be a rocket surgeon to figure it out, do ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gerrykleier Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yes, that's my opinion. To be clear, I'm not the first to reach this conclusion. I believe the Lindsay's original story stated the Olympic Project had taken the "shooter" under their wing. It was basically a process of elimination from there. The taxidermy.net threads supported that conclusion early on. Also, remember the alleged shooter posted here as General. Stubstad's last post criticized the shooter for what he described as "sick" images on his social networking site. There were a few images on Smeja's MySpace page that some might disturbing. Shortly after that exchange, Smeja's MySpace profile was set to private. The images in question are no longer visible. It's also interesting to note General responded to Stubstad providing an email address starting (coincidentally?) with "js". I didn't want to be the first to raise the possibility. It appears a poster on Cryptomundo (not me) has that honor. He claims his information came from someone in the know. Again, this is just my opinion. If I'm wrong, I apologize to Mr. Smeja. Hopefully he can set the record straight. Are you posting as 'Silver Fox' or 'Nominay' (sp??) as well as slimwitless? Have you posted here or on Cryptomundo under any other IDs? Sorry to be paranoid, but all three IDs are very recent, & seem to have the same Authorial Voice. I don't mean to be rude or break any forum rules, but I feel I would have a handle on long time forum members-at least they have established long term 'Identities'. What is your agenda here? I have to wonder whether all three identities are just mouthpieces for one person. Sorry to be so blunt. GK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Are you posting as 'Silver Fox' or 'Nominay' (sp??) as well as slimwitless? Have you posted here or on Cryptomundo under any other IDs? Sorry to be paranoid, but all three IDs are very recent, & seem to have the same Authorial Voice. I don't mean to be rude or break any forum rules, but I feel I would have a handle on long time forum members-at least they have established long term 'Identities'. What is your agenda here? I have to wonder whether all three identities are just mouthpieces for one person. Sorry to be so blunt. GK Authorial Voice? Interesting. I'm not Lindsay and I've never posted on Cryptomundo (this is the only Bigfoot/Cryptid forum I've ever posted on). It's true I signed up recently but I've been reading this forum off and on for a few years. I'm more interested in the DNA results but I find this story fascinating. That's why I joined. No agenda other than nagging curiosity. I've developed another interesting "suspicion" but I need to do a little more digging. We'll see what pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gerrykleier Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Authorial Voice? Interesting. I'm not Lindsay and I've never posted on Cryptomundo (this is the only Bigfoot/Cryptid forum I've ever posted on). It's true I signed up recently but I've been reading this forum off and on for a few years. I'm more interested in the DNA results but I find this story fascinating. That's why I joined. No agenda other than nagging curiosity. I've developed another interesting "suspicion" but I need to do a little more digging. We'll see what pans out. Good luck! GK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 How do you know that Dr. Ketchum did not send her research (along with samples) to Stanford's peer review process? How do you know that they didn't send it anywhere else? Oh, that's right. You don't. You, and everyone else on this board has gotten rapped up in some storyteller's version of the story and are making blanket assumptions based on a third party account. You're right...I don't! Pure assumption, and conjecture just like everyone else, but the shooter, and his buddy. If Derek Randles got on here, and said, "I shot two Sasquatches, or witnessed it" I'd be sitting back, waiting for history, but that's not the case...Unless he isn't being forthright, and was involved first hand, which doesn't seem to be the case. Technically, he knows nothing more about the story, than Silver Fox does, aside from the fact that DR has access to the 'evidence'. There could be two Squatches in the freezer, and DR could sit there, and pet them daily, but it still doesn't change the fact that he doesn't know for a fact how they came to be there, anymore than SF. Second hand stories are just that...Second hand. Period! Just because the OP, and DR are well respected doesn't make them infallible. From what I know, DR is a no nonsense, stand-up guy that'll look you straight in the eye when he talks to you, and you could do a deal with him with a handshake...I'm just not sure about anyone else involved. I want the story to be as true as anybody else, but when it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...I guess we'll just have to wait, and see. I'll be the first person to raise my hand, and admit that I was wrong if something actually transpires, but I get the feeling it'll end up getting brushed under the rug, or perpetually delayed to the point where people lose interest, and it just goes away. I think what bothers me about it, is the magnitude of the discovery in general. This isn't the Georgia hoax...If you actually possess evidence that contains DNA, you aren't taking the tabloid, pseudo-science road. You could walk into any lab in the U.S, contact any news organization, or scientific organization etc, and get to work...Instead, we are talking about it on a BF message board, and the investigation is being spear-headed by a non-scientific, for-profit group of guys that have regular 9-5 jobs, that middled their way into the event, if I understand correctly. Don't get me wrong..I think what the OP does is great, but they seem a little under qualified to be handling something as earth-shattering as this. If I personally shot two Sasquatches, I wouldn't even have my own Wildlife Dept., and WL biologists handling it...I would be going through the top scientists/biologists in the world. An event of this nature would surely warrant that. And true, I don't have any of the facts, aside from what is on here, which may not be factual in any way, but you can't just let the cats head poke out of the bag, and not expect people to form opinions about it, whether it is pro/con towards somebody's personal agenda, or story. I come from the camp where I need corroborating evidence before I shout anything from the rooftops.(Which the OP may already be privy to) But if the story doesn't back the evidence at hand, then something's amiss. Sorry! I'm sure we don't have the whole story, but the one that's laid out has more holes in it than a speed limit sign on a country road that's been peppered with bird shot for twenty years. (Or .25-06 rounds;) Until there is iron-clad proof, and the DNA is sequenced, and comes from a Sasquatch, then the jury's still out. It's the nature of the beast. I know for a fact that Sasquatches are real, just like a lot of people on here do, so it's definitely plausible, but less than likely, based on the chain of events, IMO. It's just like every trailcam photo, video, footprint, the Skookum Cast, stick-structure, knock, whoop, howl, etc...They are all prone to hoaxes, and deception. Some people can't be told to just believe someones word...That's what scientific methodology is for, and is what drives 'researchers' bat-sh*t crazy sometimes! They may know it to be factual themselves, but it can never be proven. Proof is a dead body! Even a piece of meat, with unknown DNA, isn't definitive proof to the masses. It's definitely a huge step in the war of attrition vs. the skeptics, naysayers, and mainstream scientific acceptance, but doesn't close the book entirely. I'll still sprinkle a grain of salt on every BF DNA story, until one actually comes to fruition. 'You'll see' just doesn't quite make me a believer, no matter who it is that's trying to sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Well the only reason I can think why anyone would use this story as a cover is because they went in and got the baby that supposedly escaped. If your cover is busted it is better to admit to a part of the story to cover up the real story. I guess they shot the mother and other child during the extraction, and now someone has that bigfoot child in custody. I remember someone saying that they would have a behavioral study to go along with the DNA study. Why would you give that away to a university or better well known research center when you have a live specimen to back up the results of your DNA research? Edited July 22, 2011 by Jodie edited out my bad word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Well the only reason I can think why anyone would use this story as a cover is because they went in and got the baby that supposedly escaped. If your cover is busted it is better to admit to a part of the story to cover up the real story. I guess they shot the mother and other child during the extraction, and now someone has that bigfoot child in custody. I remember someone saying that they would have a behavioral study to go along with the DNA study. Why would you give that away to a university or better well known research center when you have a live specimen to back up the results of your DNA research? OMG, Jodie, I think that you nailed it! I just an amazed to think that they could keep that quiet longer then 24 hours. Surly a BF baby would be huge news, and really hard to keep quiet for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Not if you have it tucked away on a ranch or large piece of property somewhere, but you know, it's just my imagination. However, I can't think of any other reason that SF would elicit this kind of reaction from both Derek and Dr. Ketchum IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Not if you have it tucked away on a ranch or large piece of property somewhere, but you know, it's just my imagination. However, I can't think of any other reason that SF would elicit this kind of reaction from both Derek and Dr. Ketchum IMO. Yes, That would work. A Baby would absolutely nail the deal and prove the truth of this species. How do/can we find out if this is true? I hate to think how stressful taking care of that baby would be! Yikes, and I thought that my boys were a handful. I hope that it is alive, and stays that way should it exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Now you realize this just my theory Susie. I sure wouldn't keep the bigfoot child anywhere someone would be likely to look, I bet that millionaire backer probably has him/her somewhere no one will ever find until the time is right for the reveal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bsruther Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Nice curve ball there Jodie. Everyone else is speculating, you may as well too. Derek was pretty adamant, about not having a body. I don't think he was asked about a living specimen though. Shot in the dark, but interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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