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Displaced Reference article - C. Barackman

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Patterson-Gimlin

Interesting read. Thanks for sharing. 

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Huntster

Calling coyotes is an interesting reference to responses by vocal animals. It's my experience that immediate howls after rabbit-in-distress calls is a warning to other coyotes from educated coyotes that a man is trying to trick them, and I get no shows. When coyotes come to rabbit-in-distress calls, it's usually without vocalizations, and usually on the run, but some do try sneaking in. Cats always sneak in. Bears usually come on the run to moose-calf-in-distress calls, but I did watch one younger sow sneak closer for a peek.........

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Researchers exposed wild orangutans to models of predators (like tigers) and waited for alarm responses.  As it turns out, the closer the predator was to the orangutan, the longer it waited to vocalize its alarm call.  Also, the younger a female’s infant was had bearing on when the orangutan would vocalize.  In many cases, the vocalizations would come long after the predator model was removed

Now I am quoting this off of Cliff's Blog. I can see why the orang's would not be responding right away to the threat. If you were to hear that there is a threat in the area of a predator where you were sitting/standing would you then vocalize and make your self prey. It seems as though that by them becoming vocal that they would make themselves a target to that threat. So by being vocal would let the predator know and help find their position. So yes it is no wonder why they would not be vocal until after the threat would be long gone. 

 

These creature might feel the same way about us as those orang's except that when we become vocal. They seem to use it to walk away from us. They might even become vocal or make knocks to get a position on where we as humans might be. They might answer us a few times but become distant as they answer. Unless they are very interested in us in which case they will remain and watch us. But as for my self I still do not see them as primates like Monkeys, Apes, Gorrillas. Whether I was dealing with a Sas or I was dealing with an entity that was mimicking these creatures to a tee. They do not have the fear that other creatures have that are apex that roam our wilderness.  The one thing that they are very good is that they know how to play a Human.

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2 hours ago, ShadowBorn said:
 

Researchers exposed wild orangutans to models of predators (like tigers) and waited for alarm responses

 

Did the models of predators move and have 'predator' smell?

Reminds me of a test with Canadian Geese.  Plastic 'owls' were placed in areas where the geese frequented to scare them.  The geese defecated on the owls. Good test. 

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It is funny since I have done similar things with birds in my back yard. I have placed a plastic owl that does not move on a fence post so that the pigeons and the starlings would stop eating the dog food for my dogs.  My results are similar with one exception which is the starlings are not afraid of the plastic owl.  I have yet to see a pigeon but have seen an owl hanging out and around the area. But I have not tried owl calls to see if this would have any effect on the starlings.

 

But if we are out in the field looking for these creatures and we are calling out for them. Who is to say that they are not listening and will occasionally cry out to see if we are still around. This way when we answer back to their call they know to walk away from where we are calling out to them. The only time that I believe that they would come near us is when they are very interested in us and want to gain more information from us. I would not call them hunting us but more of a observation. The times that I was hunting I had no idea that they were even around . It is not until I started to observe those little settled signs that I knew I was being observed by them or of some type of entity. There is no other way to describe what was taking place .

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