Animal Planet Bigfoot Series 6 Episodes on American BF Sightings

[Guest]

Second Bigfoot, are you sure? This is the first I have heard of such a claim or video?

Go check it out on bigfoot encounters under videos.

[Guest bsruther]

Second Bigfoot, are you sure? This is the first I have heard of such a claim or video?

I've seen it too. There's a second one that kind of hangs back behind the Zagnut fiend.

[Boris Khan]

Things I have 'learned' so far...

1. Bigfoots have black rough noses like a dog... it's a fact according to MM.

2. Bigfoots smell like methane (??) because they sleep in/under/near alligator caves

3. Bigfoots diet primarily on deer and will break the deer's leg with a twisting motion to prevent it from running away.

4. Bigfoots travel along power line towers because its easier for them and they won't bump into things.

5. People should never expect to be taken seriously if they walk around using the word squatch. Honestly, please, people, put an end to the use of this term unless you are making a mockumentary. Never eeeeeeeever should anyone use the "term squatch again, please please help me make it a 'squatch' free world. Put the other syllable on it, it's not hard to add the "sa".

Edited June 14, 2011 by Boris Khan

[Guest]

During last night’s show Mr. Greene said he had something slap the tent and then heard noise down the hill, that’s why he decided to leave the camera there after he left for a while, first time I heard of that.

Bill,

I, too, don't recall hearing of he tent slapping before. My recollection of his story was that he had been baiting the stump for some time. In fact, didn't he use a rubber squeaky duck once that was taken and found later deeper in the woods? Didn't he affectionately refer to his visitor as "Squeaky" because of this? Anyway, I thought he had once again baited the stump and had the rear of his vehicle pointed to it. He was thinking of how to best mount his thermal camera deep inside the vehicle with the tailgate open -- in the hope that the visitor would not see the camera -- when he heard it at the base of the hill behind camp. He then decided, at the spur of the moment, to put the camera on the tripod behind his vehicle then drive off for the two-hour battery duration.

The change in story is something to be concerned about. (Of course, it could be my poor memory that I should be concerned about.)

If there was that much action going on that night I would have thought he would have checked to see if the candy bar was gone, but he never did. That’s not scientific research to me.

I agree that it seems odd not to check one's bait, especially if noise outside of camp seemed to indicate the presence of the critter that one is trying to bait. The wrapper would have fingerprints, and if the candy bar was tasted and discarded, it could have DNA.

Early on, I asked Mr. Greene if he would supply me a copy of the footage so I could conduct my own research on it since I had some questions plus I'm a certified FLIR thermographer and there is evidence in the two hour length film if you know what to look for. I asked for a free copy for study and was told I could purchase the video on line if I wanted to study it. But I wanted the complete two hour version of the video he shot not just the short clip that was for sale on his website. It was at that point that he became confrontational to me because I spelled his last name Green, not Greene. I wrote back and sincerely apologized to him as it was a mistake, I would never do that on purpose. That was the last I heard from him. It was very strange to me that he would be so mad at me when the BFRO had misspelled his name on their front page and it was never changed.

Sounds like highly suspicious behavior on Greene's part. If I had a thermal video, I'd welcome a free analysis by an independent certified thermographer. Review is key to the scientific method. That Greene has avoided such review means he is operating in the realm of pseudo-science. Folks misspell my name all the time -- I've never gotten angry about it. Sounds like a convenient excuse to blow you off.

Cliff Barackman said in last night’s show that the footage was either hoaxed by Mr. Greene or it was a real Sasquatch, to the point Mr. Barackman said, I trust Mr. Greene with my life! I learned a long time ago, never trust anyone with your own life because it will come back to haunt you.

Cliff's televised logic was flawed. It's fine by me that he would opt to trust Greene with his life, but that in no way proves the validity of his thermal film.

Pteronarcyd

[Guest CaptainMorgan]

I agree with Bill to the extent that any evidence should be preserved and subject to peer review for forensic examination. To date, no one has volunteered to give me any original copy of any media to examine when requested. It's always lost, or someone else has it, or it accidentally got deleted, or the dog ate it. But there's also the matter of trust and if I were to get some decent footage, there is only a handful of people I would allow access to.

"That was the last I heard from him" You never know what the real circumstances are, some people just don't return phone calls.

When I viewed the comparison during the episode, the re creation looked as if the contrast and calibrations were not the same, be it the difference in temperature or not. The problem is, as a viewer I can't tell if this was due to the LCD screens being at different angles to the camera, or if there was really a calibration issue.

My contention is that, Bill should have been able to do that comparison, 2 years ago. With Bill living much closer, I would trust his assessment and recreation far more than the teams.

Pteronarcyd your ducky\tailgate recollection is pretty spot on with what I remember from the Yakima showing.

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[Guest]

I agree with Bill to the extent that any evidence should be preserved and subject to peer review for forensic examination. To date, no one has volunteered to give me any original copy of any media to examine when requested. It's always lost, or someone else has it, or it accidentally got deleted, or the dog ate it. But there's also the matter of trust and if I were to get some decent footage, there is only a handful of people I would allow access to.

"That was the last I heard from him" You never know what the real circumstances are, some people just don't return phone calls.

When I viewed the comparison during the episode, the re creation looked as if the contrast and calibrations were not the same, be it the difference in temperature or not. The problem is, as a viewer I can't tell if this was due to the LCD screens being at different angles to the camera, or if there was really a calibration issue.

My contention is that, Bill should have been able to do that comparison, 2 years ago. With Bill living much closer, I would trust his assessment and recreation far more than the teams.

If there are mistrust issues about sharing evidence, that's what non-disclosure agreements are for. I'm willing to guess that Bill, for example, would have been willing to hire an attorney to draft such an agreement to make Greene comfortable in giving him a copy of the 2-hour tape.

Pteronarcyd your ducky\tailgate recollection is pretty spot on with what I remember from the Yakima showing.

You have no idea how pleased I am to hear that.

I didn't make it to Yakima. My recollection is what I got from reading Greene's website and what was posted at BFRO.

I suppose we might find out that the change in the story can be attributable to editing of the production company, although Matt hasn't said so yet at the BFRO forum (no one that I see has raised this concern yet), but the weekly litany of Matt's complaints about the production company are starting to seem to me similar to the daily leak of photos of Anthony Weiner -- distasteful and unproductive.

[Guest CaptainMorgan]

Well sure, that's what copies are for after all. But things happen and last I heard part of the PGF was in the hands of the BBC and never returned. And yet some folks like Rick Noll can examine first gen media because they are SME and trusted to not destroy the evidence.

I work in IT, and have performed all manner of forensic examination and data recovery (think ENRON), so I can appreciate that Bill should see the original. I would want to see the file timestamps, read the header and footer info with a hex editor, examine the frame count if the media has some etc etc. Someone should be able to corroborate this authenticity, and if not Bill Dranginis, then Bill Munns.

I guess I just wish that folks in the BF community could work together better and leave so much ego out of it. I'll be the first to say "it's not about me" but then I'll be the first to say "it's not about you (generically\collectively) either".

I've never had a problem with Mr. Greene, and never had a reason to doubt his reputation. The only thing I ever said on BFF 1.0 was that the footage was too inconclusive and vague to be of more value. I wouldn't be too quick to tear his story to shreds because it's possible that two edited sound bites seem inconsistent when they really are not.

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[Drew]

The Bigfoot twisting a leg to hobble a deer argument is ridiculous.

Predators typically drag prey down from behind, and then deliver a killing blow to the neck, or jump on it's neck and crush it's vertebra with it's teeth.

Wouldn't a predator adapt to killing by the most safe and quickest way possible? A blow delivered to the neck, would do the trick, but hobbling a deer by breaking it's leg would be a dangerous endeavor. We have all seen deer able to run with three legs after a car accident, a bigfoot breaking a leg would be in a dangerous situation with an angry panicked deer.

[Guest LAL]

There's an intriguing report from an anonymous wildlife official about an apparent ambush kill - doe with her leg torn off and the buck in shock.

I don't know how an "apex predator" primate is supposed to hunt. This is not to say I think MM was correct.

[Guest Ufo]

Yet again, I brave the dangerous underworld of the internet, fought countless of useless fake youtube videos to finally find the episode and share it with all of you :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-Bx4e-Hh0&feature=channel_video_title

Edited June 14, 2011 by Ufo

[Guest]

Things I have 'learned' so far...

1. Bigfoots have black rough noses like a dog... it's a fact according to MM.

2. Bigfoots smell like methane (??) because they sleep in/under/near alligator caves

3. Bigfoots diet primarily on deer and will break the deer's leg with a twisting motion to prevent it from running away.

4. Bigfoots travel along power line towers because its easier for them and they won't bump into things.

5. People should never expect to be taken seriously if they walk around using the word squatch. Honestly, please, people, put an end to the use of this term unless you are making a mockumentary. Never eeeeeeeever should anyone use the "term squatch again, please please help me make it a 'squatch' free world. Put the other syllable on it, it's not hard to add the "sa".

#1-I dont know.

#2-Wow. Didnt know gators smelled like methane...wait methane does not have a smell...uh...shoot.

#3-This part I actually agree with in theory.

#4-????

#5-THANK YOU! Man that drives me nuts and I'm not sure why. Are they way to cool to say sasquatch or bigfoot? THAT and when people say "These are some very "squatchy woods"." Its like my head is going to explode.

Whew.

Now that I got that off of my chest...the show has not impressed me so far. Its just like all of the other shows, unfortunately. They go somewhere, use alot of cool toys and eyewitness accounts, get SOMETHING(?) on film and go, "Yep, theres our (Bigfoot, ghost, UFO, chupacabra, etc.,...take your pick)."

As far as MM v. the producers editing, well I hope its true. And I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually like Ghosthunters--Kris Williams is HOT! And Destination Truth at least makes me laugh.

[Guest CaptainMorgan]

I like Destination Truth, Josh Gates is a funny guy and although they don't actually "find" a lot either on their 1 night excursions, I always feel good at the end of the show. They have several trips in order to find evidence of the Yeti or BF, and freakin hiked in to SIBERIA to find it! Still, I don't see them beating their chest declaring I'M THE WGBH!

At least after an episode I don't have this sad sinking feeling in my gut about the program.

I also like the Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files. Partially because Jael de Pardo is also in that.

[norseman]

Cliff Barackman seems to have a level head on his shoulders, I liked him. The girl and Bobo are nice enough.

And Matt Moneymaker seemed to be a narcissistic tyrant. Matt if you read this? I've never met you and this may be an unfair assessment on my part. I've got friends in the logging industry and they say most of the "Axe men" drama is dreamed up by the show's producers. So maybe that's a role Matt is playing.......IDK.

I really liked the pictures of the tracks across the asphalt though, that was a good find. It's not everyday that you see a track way like that in which the tracks are not imprints but residual mud left behind.

[bipedalist]

In-line tracks and not staggered gait from what I can see in the photo too, missed the show.

Very perceptive with your assessments norseman.

[Doc Holliday]

makes me miss leonard nimoy, in search of link here,

good thing they got to those mud prints before it rained norseman, that is interesting .