Guest Yeti1974 Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I liked the tracks on the road too. In a cul de sac of all places! (Ah, the benefits of living in rural North America.) Very cool find.
bipedalist Posted June 15, 2011 BFF Patron Posted June 15, 2011 Re: the NC segment, in watching the thermal signature on Matt's imager, it clearly looked to me like the bipedal individual on the hilltop, made a motion of extending it's arms down twice holding or grabbing something (maybe moving it out of the way) and stepping over it as it moved away from the pursuers, if they were briars I was thinking there'd be a great chance for evidence in such a case (having not seen that episode in full I don't know what evidence they pursued in daylight). Just my take on what I saw in the clip. So I guess I tend to side with Cliff rather than Matt in that it looked like it had more Squatch potential than human. If it was a human, it did seem to have a universally one-toned heat signature. A human in carhartt overhauls at that time of the year, for example, should have had several tones of heat signature. That said, it sort of seemed to be a pudgy heat signature but at that distance and perspective, difficult to discern much more out of that. Just my take based on a clip and all that.
Incorrigible1 Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 If it was a human, it did seem to have a universally one-toned heat signature. A human in carhartt overhauls at that time of the year, for example, should have had several tones of heat signature. That said, it sort of seemed to be a pudgy heat signature but at that distance and perspective, difficult to discern much more out of that. If you were an eight foot, hairy, bipedal hominid, wouldn't your heat signature be completely different from the monotone presented in the infrared image captured in the camera? I mean to say that even a biological entity would present hot and cold spots not seen on the footage presented. Something's rotten in Denmark, regarding the supposed figure MM decided he simply HAD to pursue. 1
Guest BFSleuth Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 If you were an eight foot, hairy, bipedal hominid, wouldn't your heat signature be completely different from the monotone presented in the infrared image captured in the camera? I mean to say that even a biological entity would present hot and cold spots not seen on the footage presented. Something's rotten in Denmark, regarding the supposed figure MM decided he simply HAD to pursue. For clarity you might want to go to the discussion at the BFRO forum. MM et al are fielding and updating regarding a number of issues they had with how the AP folks have been handling the editing. This case in particular MM said he thought it was some drunk guy trying to spy on the group and took off after him to ... I guess have some sort of confrontation or something... at any rate AP seems to want those dangling exciting moments to go to commercial and keep target butts in the Lazy Boy.
bipedalist Posted June 15, 2011 BFF Patron Posted June 15, 2011 ...even a biological entity would present hot and cold spots not seen on the footage presented. Don't recall the distances involved and the image due to size of the heat signature was difficult to view with certainty. In a wooded environment (even with leaves down) sometimes its difficult to get a lot of detail. Total time on subject was not great. Personally, when viewing a raccoon with these devices from 90 ft. you would see hot and cold spots around the face and extremities in particular, possibly the tail as well. On the mono imagers that I have viewed that is....in those case the larger the subject and the closer they are to you the better the gradations/separations of heat signature "hotness". Even a sedate woodrat, if it was still enought and close enough, would probably show those gradations. I'll defer to members like Bartlojays and Vabigfoot however when it comes to those with extensive flir and/or thermal time on task. Point of my comment was to bring up my take on what I saw without studying it.....just a first reaction report that is all. ...seems to want those dangling exciting moments to go to commercial and keep target butts in the Lazy Boy. That technique drives me crazy but eventually, unfortunately, will probably sell more dvd's I suppose. If it was a drunk guy in the woods I've got to give him an A for navigation and aggravation. For clarity you might want to go to the discussion at the BFRO forum. Thanks for the tip. Clarity for sure. Apparently the heat signature was of Matt himself (oops) as he pursued (bait and switch). The original heat signature of the human was cut as was his vocals to the intruder yelling, "it's a human, human", also cut. Apparently, the human was stumbling around slowly but Matt zigged when he should of zagged at the peak and the guy continued on.....it was very brushy he said.
Guest Cervelo Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) The Bigfoot twisting a leg to hobble a deer argument is ridiculous. Predators typically drag prey down from behind, and then deliver a killing blow to the neck, or jump on it's neck and crush it's vertebra with it's teeth. Wouldn't a predator adapt to killing by the most safe and quickest way possible? A blow delivered to the neck, would do the trick, but hobbling a deer by breaking it's leg would be a dangerous endeavor. We have all seen deer able to run with three legs after a car accident, a bigfoot breaking a leg would be in a dangerous situation with an angry panicked deer. Drew I'm with you on this one! I've always had an issue with this theroy turned to fact bs. Top causes of deer with twisted legs IMO #1 deer getting hung up in barb wire fence #2 dogs chasing and catching deer but not knowing how to kill it. If you have every hunted with dogs trust me this happens #3 see above Not saying they don't eat deer. But I have attempted to dispatch a wounded deer in my youth with a knife you only try that once! Edited June 15, 2011 by Cervelo
Guest Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Yes, I found the whole notion of the deer's injury being definitively attributed to a BF "Squatch jitsu" leg sweep technique was a bit.. well much.
Guest wudewasa Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Interesting statistics for human hunter gatherer caloric intake with venison are found here: http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/waco/images/deer_page.html "According to USDA figures, raw venison yields 120 calories and contains 2.4 g of fat and 23 g of protein per 100 g of meat. Daily protein requirements to support an individual average around 50 g, thus one would need to consume about 217 g of lean venison to satisfy daily protein needs. An adult white-tailed deer in the fall on average provides about 18 kg of lean meat, representing about half of the animal’s field-dressed weight. This TPWD estimate is based on average buck and doe weights by year-class for field-dressed deer harvested in the Post Oak Savannah during the 1989–90 hunting season. The projected 18 kg/deer of venison would supply 83 person-days of protein. For our 214 people, the 428 deer needed to supply an adequate number of hides for clothing would provide enough protein for 166 days. This amount of protein, however, does not include nutrients that are available from bone marrow and grease, the use of which would provide additional person-days of protein. For our minimal group of 18 to 20 people 18 kg of venison (one deer) would sustain them for 4–5 days." Here is an image of deer bones with spiral fractures. http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/waco/images/spiral-fractures.html Hunter gatherers created spiral fractures on deer bones to extract the nutrient and calorie rich marrow.
Guest ajciani Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 If you were an eight foot, hairy, bipedal hominid, wouldn't your heat signature be completely different from the monotone presented in the infrared image captured in the camera? I mean to say that even a biological entity would present hot and cold spots not seen on the footage presented. This was discussed in the Mike Green Thermal Footage topic. If the temperature of the subject is hotter than the current range setting of the thermal camera, then it just shows up as "white hot". So if the coldest spot on the subject is 60°F, and the maximum setting on the camera is 60°F, then the entirety of the subject shows up white. That is why both Bobo and Squeeky show up as big, white, humanoid forms.
Guest billgreen2010 Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) im definetly tuneing in to all new finding bigfoot oregon bigfoot segment tommarrow night at 10pm eastern & 11pm eastern on animal planet it should be realy exciting interesting etc to be continued Edited June 19, 2011 by billgreen2010
Guest Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) The Bigfoot twisting a leg to hobble a deer argument is ridiculous. Predators typically drag prey down from behind, and then deliver a killing blow to the neck, or jump on it's neck and crush it's vertebra with it's teeth. Wouldn't a predator adapt to killing by the most safe and quickest way possible? A blow delivered to the neck, would do the trick, but hobbling a deer by breaking it's leg would be a dangerous endeavor. We have all seen deer able to run with three legs after a car accident, a bigfoot breaking a leg would be in a dangerous situation with an angry panicked deer. There's a good thread on the BFRO forum concerning deer kills: http://s2.excoboard.com/BFRO/124725/2256416 There's a BFRO report of a woman watching a BF chase a deer across a field. The BF grabbed the hind legs and twisted them both simultaneously to the outside disabling the deer. The BF fell over the deer, got up, slung the deer over his left shoulder and walked away with the deer still alive. I'll look for the report again and post it. Edited June 19, 2011 by NorthFL
bipedalist Posted June 19, 2011 BFF Patron Posted June 19, 2011 It's a noted technique for sure. Whether the deer carcass in the NC show truly had a spiral fracture I did not have enough visuals to determine.
Guest dbel72 Posted June 20, 2011 Posted June 20, 2011 This show is becoming lame. Moneymaker's meltdown about being leader after the human walked into his "investigation" was pathetic. What was he going to do if he did catch up to the human that was picked up on the thermal cam? Was he going to assault him for being there? Also about the deer carcass. How does Moneymaker know that a Sasquatch breaks the legs of deer? Has he or anyone else for that matter ever witnessed this? Renae even tells him that other circumstances could have contributed to the deer's broken leg, but MM insists that it had to be Sasquatch. Based on what? A mouse farts behind a bush and Moneymaker gets all excited claiming it's a Sasquatch. He calls himself an expert on an animal that no one has even proved to be real. My head hurts. Let's see how the Oregon inquest turns out. My guess is that Sasquatch is everywhere he is.
Guest billgreen2010 Posted June 20, 2011 Posted June 20, 2011 i thought tonight segment was great to awesome oregon bigfoot i give A++++1/2 great reactments of sightings awesome forests areas where sightings took place. less skeptical in this segment im watching again now keep on squatching
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