Animal Planet Bigfoot Series 6 Episodes on American BF Sightings

[Guest]

Going to add, no one knows what a Bigfoot thinks. The point is moot.

[Guest wudewasa]

When Native Americans gather plants or kill animals for their own use, they thank the plant or the animal for giving of itself for their nourishment, clothing, etc.

Careful with that romantic stereotype.

Back to the baiting topic, anyone rmember the baboon scene from "The Ghost and the Darkness?"

Yeah, bun bun got off lucky...

[Guest LittleFeat]

Careful with that romantic stereotype.

Back to the baiting topic, anyone rmember the baboon scene from "The Ghost and the Darkness?"

Yeah, bun bun got off lucky...

Romantic stereotype? Please explain. Regarding the video clip, it's Hollywood, not the real world.

[Guest wudewasa]

Romantic stereotype? Please explain. Regarding the video clip, it's Hollywood, not the real world.

All natives don't practice old traditions, such as thanking organisms that they are harvesting. They are a diverse bunch of individuals, just like any other culture.

Yes, I am aware of Hollywood! lol

[Guest LittleFeat]

All natives don't practice old traditions, such as thanking organisms that they are harvesting. They are a diverse bunch of individuals, just like any other culture.

Yes, I am aware of Hollywood! lol

You're right, I should have said that "historically, Native Americans practice old cultural traditions". Their legends about the big man are part of their original heritage, so they're more believable to me than someone who reports seeing a BF nowadays. Their way of describing a BF is definitely culturally-dependent, but I doubt that they are outright lying about the existence of BF. They just describe the BF the way it best fits into their culture and beliefs, the same way they do with eagles, coyotes, bears, Earth, etc.

Lately, there's been a real increase in the number of younger Native Americans that are becoming more and more interested in preserving their spoken languages and culture for future generations, however there are also many younger NA's that have become "Americanized" and could probably care less about their past traditions. I heard someone refer to them as "apples: red on the outside and white on the inside". I actually don't mind the Native Americans building casinos, because we screwed them by putting them on the reservations in the first place. It's very resourceful on their part to find a way to make lemonade out of lemons.

[Guest]

Heres a twisted/spiral facture of an elk hind leg that we found at Broken Mirror Az. on 8/2009. Their where no other signs of teeth marks on it and it appears to have been twisted to get to the bone marrow. Hope the pics come through. We found most of its bones/skull/spine but it appear that it was the leg take down was the most visable sign. Now could of it been shot and made its way into the forest and died, and a creature came by and twisted its bone/leg to get to the marrow. Sure, however there was no signs of death by shooting and the bones where scatter about. Which does gives to a investigation methodology as the Squatchdetective stated.

Well, interesting there are no teeth marks on the elk bones, however to twist something without leaving said mark, once could conclude that would require an opposable thumb. Some of the other questions I would have would be, was it near any cliffs, nearest road, types of predators in the area and lastly any reports from the area of sasquatch.

[Guest]

Well, interesting there are no teeth marks on the elk bones, however to twist something without leaving said mark, once could conclude that would require an opposable thumb. Some of the other questions I would have would be, was it near any cliffs, nearest road, types of predators in the area and lastly any reports from the area of sasquatch.

We found this and others in a heavy treed and flat area about 1/4 mile off of a old logging road. No cliffs. Preadators are Black Bear, Mountain lions, Mexican Grey Wolf, Few reports of jaguar and of course Man. We agree with your assesment as well about it require a thumb to grasp and then twist. The skull and spin was found in the camp site area (which is also about 1/4 mile away from where we found the leg bone) along with jaw bones, it was like a warning. We have been going to this site for about 3 years. I still have the leg bone. We have recordings and trail cam pics of strange encounters in this area. This aera we go to is back into the sitgreaves national forest and is as we see it a trangle between three lakes. The Broken Mirror site is far enough away from the normal campers whom go to the lakes for fishing, and outdoors recreation. Its about 5 miles as the crow flys, but about 20 miles to drive to the lakes. lots of meadows and old growth forest. We believe its a travel through area for them going between the lakes and to other areas. Lots of vegation as well. Theirs been many reports of Sasquatch in this area over the years. Thats what drew us to this location. I've seen a leg (which is a story into itself), another one in our group (where not BFRO) had seen one walk though our camp site anlong with his son, anohter one of our group members had eye shine encounters, Another member saw one at night through his night vision anlong with his cousin, and another saw a night time sithging while drivg back to our camp,and much more. A lot of activity their.

[Guest]

A black bear could have easily have done that BFR. The break is entirely consistent with a bear pouncing on the bone with front feet to shatter it in order to get at the marrow. Bears are very accomplished at getting into things, including bone. There just isn't enough visual evidence there to show the bone was twisted.

As for the AP show, some of the stuff coming out of it is not even real. I'm going to have a few more things to add about their local visit too.

I would ask anyone who has the capability, look at the ORIGINAL footage slowed down frame by frame beginning at about 1:37. For one thing, there is a splice right then. Then there IS a second figure there to the left crouched down. He is wearing a lighter shirt and prob what looks like a hat. He seems to be pointing at the front boat. There are many people running the river right now, same time of year. Again, that is where people drive up to in order to scout Fishladder Rapids.

Secondly, from MM to others, since the very beginning, the claim is that the dark figure walks away. Well, at least that's what they want you to believe. Anyone who thinks the figure is walking away, look at the video slowed down. First you will notice the lighter head in some frames. When you then look at the dark figure, keep a lock on the rocks around him. They don't move apart! The figure and the rocks are anchored together in each frame as the CAMERA pans them off frame. Meaning, the figure IS NOT going anywhere as MM claims in the video. He's JUST STANDING THERE... Unlike typical bigfoot behavior. lol

EVERYONE who has become involved in this video is simply milking it! Its a shame really. This has essentially become a hoax even though it didn't necessarily start as one. I am embarrassed by what some people will do to perpetuate a blurry person as bigfoot just to get their 15 minutes.

Once again in the footage they make it seem like its in the middle of nowhere, when there are two drive up campsites less than 40' from where the figure is standing. They don't mention this in the show do they? This isn't bigfoot research, its a bunch of promotion driven glory seekers. Frankly I am disgusted with how some pursue anything that can be turned into a promotional deal, has become the driving force in this field. Principles become sacrificed for the sake of promotional agenda.

I was also told by the guys at the fly shop that the original video was located. If you are reading this, how about doing the right thing and sharing this Chris? The present avenue sure doesn't have my respect.

Edited June 22, 2011 by PragmaticTheorist

[bipedalist]

First you will notice the lighter head in some frames.

Yes, I will agree, a lightened head, hair or head covering was seen (at one stage) in the FB: NC episode. Inconsistent with the "totally dark" or whatever

verbiage was used to infer the individual was jet black from head to toe.

[Guest]

A black bear could have easily have done that BFR. The break is entirely consistent with a bear pouncing on the bone with front feet to shatter it in order to get at the marrow. Bears are very accomplished at getting into things, including bone. There just isn't enough visual evidence there to show the bone was twisted.

Possible but don't think so. Other bones where not broken as well as the ground thier is all dirt/pine needles, not hard packed not rock/dirt. And their are no teeth marks, on it. So if it was a bear, trying to "pouncing/breaking/bite the marror out" lack of a better word, it would of left marks. Theirs just not any on the bone. But appreciate your opinion.

Edited June 22, 2011 by HRPuffnstuff
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[Guest FEATHERSTONE]

A black bear could have easily have done that BFR. The break is entirely consistent with a bear pouncing on the bone with front feet to shatter it in order to get at the marrow. Bears are very accomplished at getting into things, including bone. There just isn't enough visual evidence there to show the bone was twisted.

As for the AP show, some of the stuff coming out of it is not even real. I'm going to have a few more things to add about their local visit too.

I would ask anyone who has the capability, look at the ORIGINAL footage slowed down frame by frame beginning at about 1:37. For one thing, there is a splice right then. Then there IS a second figure there to the left crouched down. He is wearing a lighter shirt and prob what looks like a hat. He seems to be pointing at the front boat. There are many people running the river right now, same time of year. Again, that is where people drive up to in order to scout Fishladder Rapids.

Secondly, from MM to others, since the very beginning, the claim is that the dark figure walks away. Well, at least that's what they want you to believe. Anyone who thinks the figure is walking away, look at the video slowed down. First you will notice the lighter head in some frames. When you then look at the dark figure, keep a lock on the rocks around him. They don't move apart! The figure and the rocks are anchored together in each frame as the CAMERA pans them off frame. Meaning, the figure IS NOT going anywhere as MM claims in the video. He's JUST STANDING THERE... Unlike typical bigfoot behavior. lol

EVERYONE who has become involved in this video is simply milking it! Its a shame really. This has essentially become a hoax even though it didn't necessarily start as one. I am embarrassed by what some people will do to perpetuate a blurry person as bigfoot just to get their 15 minutes.

Once again in the footage they make it seem like its in the middle of nowhere, when there are two drive up campsites less than 40' from where the figure is standing. They don't mention this in the show do they? This isn't bigfoot research, its a bunch of promotion driven glory seekers. Frankly I am disgusted with how some pursue anything that can be turned into a promotional deal, has become the driving force in this field. Principles become sacrificed for the sake of promotional agenda.

I was also told by the guys at the fly shop that the original video was located. If you are reading this, how about doing the right thing and sharing this Chris? The present avenue sure doesn't have my respect.

I fully agree, and having met MONEYMAKER I knew this shoe was crap from the get go!

[Guest]

While I understand that some may not agree with the idea of using live bait to attract a predator (if in fact the creature in question actually likes/eats rabbits)the simple fact of the matter is that the tactic is pretty much tried and true in the hunting world. Like it or not, it works because everything has to eat and easy meals are better than meals that require more energy output. Why do you think we have pizza delivery my fellow omnivores. Cook or order delivery pizza? What is interesting to me is that, unless I missed it in all the posts regarding this entertainment nugget we call Finding Bigfoot, is that no one has focused on the fact that there is already a live BF lure in every episode and woodland investigation and that is Ranae. Legend and lore regarding these creatures says that at times they have been known to kidnap human women for purposes unknown. I would think that "if" we are to believe those legends and reports then Ranae would be in greater danger every time the team enters the woods. Yes, there are reports of men being taken but I believe the kidnapping reports of women far outnumber those of men and yes I do realize that Ranae has a choice whereas the rabbit did not. Quite frankly IMHO I thought the story and circumstances surrounding the "BF tried to touch my bunny" dealio was totally fabricated by the individuals who reported it as they came off as significantly less than credible in the retelling of the event. I do have to remind myself that this is all for entertainment purposes and putting too much thought into what transpires into their adventures is energy wasted. I wonder if we'll get to see MM throw another "man-hissy" if his leadership and decision making gets challenged again? Now that was entertaining.

[bipedalist]

I was also told by the guys at the fly shop that the original video was located. If you are reading this, how about doing the right thing and sharing this Chris?

What?

[Guest tracker]

Well, interesting there are no teeth marks on the elk bones, however to twist something without leaving said mark, once could conclude that would require an opposable thumb. Some of the other questions I would have would be, was it near any cliffs, nearest road, types of predators in the area and lastly any reports from the area of sasquatch.

I agree with Steve.

But without seeing the skeleton myself it's hard to say. A bear usually uses it's mouth to hold or do the breaking. So there should of been some compression signs from teeth or claws. The only other way is if a pivot point on the ground was used. So with the leg angled over thick branch and then the bear steps on the deer's leg then snap. But it looked twisted also Anyways deer are sturdy, they are not going to snap a leg rolling down a small hill IMO.

[BobbyO]

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