indiefoot Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Can you imagine what a mess this would all be in by now if those NDA's weren't in force? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest parnassus Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Have y'all considered the strangeness of the NDA's? All scientific work that I have known of doesnt't feature nDA's. The data is discussed freely and openly even during peer review. Scientists go to symposiums and discuss findings pre-publication all the time. The only reason these NDA's exist is for $$$$ reasons. It makes no sense. Neither does all the secrecy in regards to publication dates ,content ....etc It smells like a big cash grab rather than a true scientific paper. I could not agree more! me three. And when your priority is making money, other things will often suffer. From what we saw in the copyright document (another strange tactic), it would appear that what suffered in this case was figuring out the meaning of the data. Edited February 1, 2012 by parnassus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiefoot Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Who's and how much cash are you convinced got grabbed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Well, Arizonabigfoot, like it or not, more vs. less confirmed Wookie's main point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Guys and Gals I think this is really about to happen. Melba just tweeted this Dr. Melba Ketchum @DrMelbaKetchum This has been a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wookie73 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I would like nothing more than for this to be published in a big Anthropology/Primatology Journal and for it to be all on the up and up. That would be exciting!! It may not be "proof" but it would go a long way towards proof. But, I'm a realist. If this comes out in a fringe journal like Journal for Scientific Exploration or Journal of Cosmology or Fortean Times ...etc It's going to be a big phoney letdown. Because those "journals" don't follow the standard procedure of peer review and are more interested in subject matter that sells rather than the science behind the headline. But, this could all turn out to be that there truly is DNA that isn't human nor known primate. That would be exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) But, this could all turn out to be that there truly is DNA that isn't human nor known primate. That would be exciting! Ep has put up their website again, with Ketchum on the "team" Thin, but there. On NDAs..seems they are needed given the many personalities and agendas. But, they are voluntary and it would be up to her to sue and prove damages...damages..what are they? How much to sue to get that back with uncertain judgment, etc? How many NDAs? Can't imagine any would want to bail, and yet the leaks have been consistent. I thought initially the EP camp was leaking intentionally for leverrage with Melba...who knows? On money and commercialism....it has been front and center of the Bigfoot Circus since day one, it's what most aspire to in this "field." The LLC started by her and Stubstad in 2010 speaks to that, as does all the commercial stuff...but then, not like there are many grants available. The copyright applications and the as yet unseen patent applications (are there?) also speak to that. And Conferences..where casts are sold by Meldrum...honestly, I finally think I get it..why the public is so unbelieving...it's the Bigfooters, even over the hoaxers (which seem to be Bigfooters more often than not).. I read a really depressing comment by a Candian under the "Lindsay says Bigfoots use Fire and Tools" segment on bigfootevidence.blogspot , He is upset stupid Americans feel a need to out them, with a very good argument. Seems as though that may be too late, secrecy continuing....but, if so, I think we all may be surprised how the public reacts if this is accepted in any Journal of worth... I see Shawn's site as a beginning at the cross over to mainstream, the people who go there often seem unaware of other Bigfoot sites....but they have all seen Finding Bigfoot (geez). Bfers seem a bit more predictable - they tend to behave with their own agendas in mind, and for most that is money/fame/power...I should not be surprised, except..well this is Mythical and Beloved Bigfoot...seems a shame to "sell" them. we'll see....I am pretty certain our 300 or so BF voices shall be drowned out by better minds... I am pretty excited and hope an immediate response is to end "Finding Bigfoot" activites, and these "public expeditions' and well...all of it really. Get an anthropologist and an institution (a real one please) involved and kick the Bfers out. that should be popular here! Edited February 1, 2012 by apehuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It might be pretty interesting if Melba's paper comes out, followed by Finding Bigfoot actually finding a bigfoot. Think about that one! As a person with 15 years of paralegal and legal editing experience, including intellectual property matters in the pharmaceutical and genetic engineering industries, NDAs are perfectly normal as is the copyright grabbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Guys and Gals I think this is really about to happen. Melba just tweeted this Dr. Melba Ketchum @DrMelbaKetchum This has been a great day! That can't be as significant as this. Edited February 1, 2012 by slimwitless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Guys and Gals I think this is really about to happen. Melba just tweeted this Dr. Melba Ketchum @DrMelbaKetchum This has been a great day! She later posted this in regard to that posting: Nothing earth shattering, just happy today. I'll share some happiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jodie Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 You know, I think she posts things like this on FB on purpose just to get everyone riled up. At this point, I'm just sitting back to watch it spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) You know, I think she posts things like this on FB on purpose just to get everyone riled up. At this point, I'm just sitting back to watch it spin. Have we a choice? The social media format doesn't suit many, not just Dr. Ketchum. I don't like the Facebook thing myself, or twitter...really - any of the over connectedness of personal information on the internet. Who knows though, I have enjoyed the accessibility of information, even if I find it all a bit invasive. Edited February 1, 2012 by apehuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mitchw Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Twitter is a quick and efficient way to get information out. Ketchum can use her Feed to signal us wretches, while not violating any disclosure agreements. Tweet away DrMelbaKetchum. (Unless someone is impersonating Ketchum. A line on these forums from Ketchum would raise the credibility of the Twitter feed.) Edited February 1, 2012 by mitchw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wookie73 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It might be pretty interesting if Melba's paper comes out, followed by Finding Bigfoot actually finding a bigfoot. Think about that one! As a person with 15 years of paralegal and legal editing experience, including intellectual property matters in the pharmaceutical and genetic engineering industries, NDAs are perfectly normal as is the copyright grabbing. I would submit that in the fields you mentioned, Pharms and engineering, the secrecy is related to making sure they get the patents first (and therefor the $$$)for their creations. Biology isn't really in the same vein. You may get naming rights for a new species, but you don't get to patent it unless you made it in a lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Twitter is a quick and efficient way to get information out. Ketchum can use her Feed to signal us wretches, while not violating any disclosure agreements. Tweet away DrMelbaKetchum. (Unless someone is impersonating Ketchum. A line on these forums from Ketchum would raise the credibility of the Twitter feed.) She posted the same comments on her FB page as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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