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I had a feeling it was done. Thanks for the link, MB.

I was also pleased to read in the opening statement that every post Furious George has ever made on this forum is correct. Thanks for the props, Dr.

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It's the "you hear of" element of your sentence, Aaron, where the trouble lies. These are never substantiated claims. I'll bet you can never ever find a direct quote from an individual first-hand witness to such an event. So, until or unless I hear otherwise, I'll put those sort of stories into the drawer marked "rumour & hearsay".

Mike

Mike, I've personally seen three of the Lovelock Cave skeletons. They were on display in the Mark Twain Museum in Virginia City, Nevada during a period that at least included 1969-1978. Bonafide mummified tall skeletons with preserved red hair. You'll find there've been a couple of related threads. They disappeared sometime in the '80s. For a long time I thought they'd been "repatriated" by the local Paiutes, but when I got around to researching it with the Nevada Historical Society located on the University of Nevada, Reno campus, I was told that the Bureau of Land Management had taken possession of them. You might want to google BLM museums and see what you come up with.

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...Wow, you guys are a day late and a dollar short. I can't believe no one is discussing the published paper yet, it's been out since 12 PM yesterday. Thought for sure I'd log on to a flood this morning. I guess news travels slow.....

Man it'll be tough to look at yourself in the mirror anymore and to think they've been undocumented all this time, teehee.

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Pretty sure it's part of BLM responsibility to handle the return of NA remains.

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IF there is a bone or other body part that can provide a DNA signature that identifies a heretofore undescribed species of extant hominim then why are people jumping to the conclusion that scientists wouldn't accept that result? I would.

How about sub-species?

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I did not contact BLM regarding the skeletons, but it is my understanding that others have and were rebuffed.

It is BLM's responsibility to handle anthropological remains and archeological artifacts found on public and private lands. It is my understanding that they have quite an extensive collection of materials, only a small fraction of which is available to the public.

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I don't understand how they can identify extinct hominids, but then ketchum's work

will not be (assuming it proves what she claims) enough to prove the existence of bf and

a body will still be needed.

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Zigoapex, if Dr Ketchums work is as solid as she claims, then the scientific community, I am sure would accept the results for what they are. We can debate it all we want here, but we are not the scientific community. So I hope her results are as solid as she implies they are.

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Zigoapex,

Sasceptic has very clearly said that is NOT his position. I think the following makes his position on the subject very clear:

IF there is a bone or other body part that can provide a DNA signature that identifies a heretofore undescribed species of extant hominim then why are people jumping to the conclusion that scientists wouldn't accept that result? I would.

Mike

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I did not contact BLM regarding the skeletons, but it is my understanding that others have and were rebuffed.

It is BLM's responsibility to handle anthropological remains and archeological artifacts found on public and private lands. It is my understanding that they have quite an extensive collection of materials, only a small fraction of which is available to the public.

The BLM is only responsible for human remains and archaeological sites/artifacts on BLM lands, just as the Forest Service is responsible for those items on their lands, and Park Service, etc. on theirs. Private lands have different laws dictated by State law. We do have many artifacts that are not on display because hardy any BLM unit or National Forest have the space to display them. NAGPRA would prohibit the display of human remains anyway.

As for Lovelock, I believe the Phoebe Hearst has most of the human remains. The Nevada State Museum has many artifacts as well.

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See, that's what I mean...every time something cool is found (like giant skeletons), some pappa smurf gov entity steps in, takes the evidence, and keeps everything to a mythical level! Then the rest of us that care are either a.) doubting skeptics or b.) wannabelievers that the doubting skeptics laugh at.....GRRRR!

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Zigoapex, if Dr Ketchums work is as solid as she claims, then the scientific community, I am sure would accept the results for what they are. We can debate it all we want here, but we are not the scientific community. So I hope her results are as solid as she implies they are.

We need to distinguish between results and interpretation of results. The results will be results. The key will be the interpretation. My guess is that most of the scientific community will conclude that the results indicate that the samples came from human beings with social security numbers. That is my guess as to why the paper as of this April Fool's day has not been accepted for publication. Correct me if I am wrong, but no one has confirmed that as of today the paper has been accepted for publication.

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