roguefooter Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I don't know whether to speculate about the gossip, or gossip about the speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gershake Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 ^ Plussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 No body,no bones,no reliable photos or videos, nothing. I am interested in BF and UFO's, but I will not believe they exist until I see one. It's been way too long for either to not have been proven. Just frauds and hoaxers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Hi again folks, I could multiquote a hundred posts here but honestly I have very little to say as I don't know any more than i have already shared! To start with I am an armchair researcher - I live in the UK for start - doesnt exactly lend itself to prime BF habitat. I contacted Robin Lynme during the whole 'Ivor-gate' affair to offer my assistance to send out the follow up press release to my UK and European press contacts as I have some experience in this area. Since then, i have, on occasion received emails from Robin with updates. I received an email from Robin this morning exactly as follows: Hi Kezra, Here is some more links to info with the study. I hope you can use them. Also I will keep you posted on anything developing. about 40 mins in:http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=player_embedded&v=u-NGls9dVe4 Has anyone else seen this, Dr. Meldrums science and they are saying most of his bigfoot tracks are hoaxed. I've seen him on Monster Quest, but never looked into all this... http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=125085 Take care , Robin Lynne THATS THE SUM TOTAL OF MY KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT! I didnt think it would create such furore because if you listen to Dr. Ketchums C2C interview from the 23rd Dec in the first link she states that yes some feathers in the community have been ruffle but firat and foremost her 'camp' (DNA Diagnostics) is a forensics lab and they are continually learning about the field. If anything it sounds like she would rather the support of researchers than attack them as she does not seem to be welcomed with open arms as such. Maybe i am being naive - i can see how it can be perceived negatively - but as others here have said the paranoia and backstabbing is heartbreaking - we need a rethink because if we cannot peacefully co-exist with each other how can we expect the world to do so with the sasquatch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 since the release of bart and tylers samples, I never in my life ran into so many collaborating collaborators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) So Robin Lynne basically doesn't know who Dr.Meldrum is? Edited December 27, 2012 by Cervelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 If Melba has no comment - I gotta tell you - this sounds like a comment as it's coming from her PR person. Maybe you are right, maybe it should have been removed - because it looks like someone with DNA Diagnostics is gearing up for an attack on Dr. Meldrum. Why is beyond me. I don't know you, Kezra, but I like your signature line, "Be the Change You Want to See - Ghandi" I fully understand this is not on you. I just think it's a sad thing to see coming from her "camp." I have to say , I agree with Melissa. Kezra have you asked Robin Lynn why she is inquiring about what the skeptic community has to say on forum about Dr. Meldrum's interpretations of tracks? How does it relate to Ketchum's study or the recent news about the results other than bear tracks are often mistaken for Bigfoot tracks? I'm not seeing the relevancy. I agree with everyone else on why the questions about Meldrum, it does sound like someone wants dirt on him and kerza needs to explain further what their intent is, because right now it looks shady. Ketchum said the paper covers more disciplines than DNA. Maybe they're boning up on how to respond to various lines of attack. That's speculation (what isn't around here) but I haven't seen any criticisms from Meldrum harsh enough to warrant such a public pr battle. If that's what this is, then I'd say the train has gone off the rails just as the plane is crashing into the mountains. Well, in my limited experience with this community I am rather disappointed. I see a fractured and territorial community. In part because of human nature, but also in large part because of the types of personalities it attracts. Frankly... a fair share of nutters. While you would imagine this community, a heckled one at that, would band together and try and form some commonality, it appears there is a vocal substrate which is intent on derailing the effort. Unfortunately, as with politics and many other areas of life, its the most vocal who often have the most extreme positions and need for attention... and often the least to say. I'd suggest keeping the fringe at the fringe and providing the infighting as little energy as possible. I believe the moderators have a role to play. For the most part the folks here on this forum have been intellegent and well reasoned. I feel the same way reelback. I'm also new here though I've tangentially followed most of the bigger BF-related news over the years. The backstabbing, the out of control egos, the divisivness, that one finds amoung the BF community is staggering and disheartening. A "scientist" is asking for opinions of members of an out-there community of armchair experts to support her paper? Really? I am shocked and disgusted. This is not a slam to Jref, I'd feel the same way if she solicited opinions from random members here (we are also an out-there community of armchair experts imo!) Something stinks! Bad! In her C2C interview the other night, I didn't get take away any sense of desperation, nor obfuscation on Melba Ketchum's part. She seemed very much at ease with her words and honest in her portrayal of how the events have affected her over the past several years. She is obviously a strong personality, and perhaps that doesn't sit well with some. As far as I know, Robin was only replying to someone else who found the subject of interest and she wanted to find out more, hence the post from Kezra, sorry to speak for you Kezra : D Could you post a facebook link for those so connected to reference here? Kezra or whoever? Replied above folks - multiquotes to ensure you don't think I'm shirking my responsibilities. ....Thanks as ever V xx So Robin Lynne basically doesn't know who Dr.Meldrum is? EXACTLY. They are a forensics lab first and foremost and had nothing to do with BF research beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Hi again folks, I could multiquote a hundred posts here but honestly I have very little to say as I don't know any more than i have already shared! To start with I am an armchair researcher - I live in the UK for start - doesnt exactly lend itself to prime BF habitat. I contacted Robin Lynme during the whole 'Ivor-gate' affair to offer my assistance to send out the follow up press release to my UK and European press contacts as I have some experience in this area. Since then, i have, on occasion received emails from Robin with updates. I received an email from Robin this morning exactly as follows: Hi Kezra, Here is some more links to info with the study. I hope you can use them. Also I will keep you posted on anything developing. about 40 mins in:http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=player_embedded&v=u-NGls9dVe4 Has anyone else seen this, Dr. Meldrums science and they are saying most of his bigfoot tracks are hoaxed. I've seen him on Monster Quest, but never looked into all this... http://forums.randi....ad.php?t=125085 Take care , Robin Lynne THATS THE SUM TOTAL OF MY KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT! I didnt think it would create such furore because if you listen to Dr. Ketchums C2C interview from the 23rd Dec in the first link she states that yes some feathers in the community have been ruffle but firat and foremost her 'camp' (DNA Diagnostics) is a forensics lab and they are continually learning about the field. If anything it sounds like she would rather the support of researchers than attack them as she does not seem to be welcomed with open arms as such. Maybe i am being naive - i can see how it can be perceived negatively - but as others here have said the paranoia and backstabbing is heartbreaking - we need a rethink because if we cannot peacefully co-exist with each other how can we expect the world to do so with the sasquatch? You have two camps of thought concerning this creature.... 1) It belongs to the genus Homo....... In other words it is another "human" species. Ketchum and her DNA study seem to colaberate this. 2) It is a bipedal ape.........nothing more. Behavior, tracks casts, etc seem to point in this direction and this school of thought is championed by Meldrum. Do you understand now how the sparks are coming about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 This is legend. Even got my husband - the eternal skeptic - to watch it. Hilarious ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Oh I know all to well what Dr Ks background is. I'm just a little surprised that her PR rep doesn't know who Dr. Meldrums is. Just out of curiosity Kezra do you know what kind of DNa research is Dr K specialty or Dr. Meldrums background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 You have two camps of thought concerning this creature.... 1) It belongs to the genus Homo....... In other words it is another "human" species. Ketchum and her DNA study seem to colaberate this. 2) It is a bipedal ape.........nothing more. Behavior, tracks casts, etc seem to point in this direction and this school of thought is championed by Meldrum. Do you understand now how the sparks are coming about? I do understand this point as im not a complete amateur. Ape V Human theories in its simplest form. Personally I believe different theories all have valid points within their research and these will still be relevant regardless of the DNA outcome. Clearly others dont agree and people feel they have a lot on the line. However the years of information gathered and published will still remain useful Im sure. Oh I know all to well what Dr Ks background is. I'm just a little surprised that her PR rep doesn't know who Dr. Meldrums is. Just out of curiosity Kezra do you know what kind of DNa research is Dr K specialty or Dr. Meldrums background? Ha! Here we go Cervelo round 2 Re Meldrum - i greatly respect his research, i consider him one of the giants of the field. At this stage without seeing the Ketchum paper I cannot discredit his ape theory. Re Ketchum - my limited understanding is that she is a rgistered veterinarian, and a scientist specialising in forensics. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Man Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 So Robin Lynne basically doesn't know who Dr.Meldrum is? snort... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) snort... Melba seemed genuine in her latest C2C when talking about the lack of support from BF researchers and how this is not how she hoped it would be. Maybe a snort of derision is closer to the reality than my happy-holding-hands lets work together hope but i see it as this really - The BF community VERSUS The rest of the worls that dont believe The infactions may just be an inevitable part of life but once sasquatch are proven to exist we will have to close ranks. Edited December 27, 2012 by kezra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Man Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 "once sasquatch are proven to exist we will have to close ranks" We won't have to close ranks. If science proves that sasquatch are real, everyone will except it. That's how science works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) If memory serves, Robin Lynne was on the same Russian Expedition with Dr. Meldrum... So not sure why she isn't just emailing Dr. Meldrum herself. Still doesn't explain the need for information from the JREF site that was brought here. I'm not trying to sound rude - but this is something best left for Dr. Meldrum himself to handle... Hairy Man said: We won't have to close ranks. If science proves that sasquatch are real, everyone will except it. That's how science works. Yep. I hope you don't mind, but that is going in my signature line. What is with this talk of "closing ranks".. As if we can close them now.. I don't get it. Edited December 27, 2012 by Melissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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