Guest Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) I clearly explained to you the difference between scientific consensus and popular consensus but you ignored mypoints and continued treating them like they're the same. So... Edited January 29, 2013 by Art1972 remove duplicate image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thermalman Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Really, the "just a theory" argument? Further as an example of 1) how you are wrong and 2) how science corrects itself: http://newsfeed.time...oduct-of-error/ Good article. Now, show me a black hole and evolution. Edited January 26, 2013 by thermalman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobill Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 It doesn't matter if 1 person, 10 people, 10,000 people, or 10,000,000 people agree on something if that something is wrong. It doesn't matter if every man, woman, and child on the planet "agreed". Reality is not a matter of consensus, and if the whole of the population of Earth agreed that water was dry and the law of gravity was false then water would still be wet and they'd still fall if they jumped off a cliff. So if 10,000 people claim they've seen a bigfoot but have no proof or even evidence to substantiate their claims we should disregard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Einstein's theory is just that.......a theory. The Hadron Collider proved that particles can travel faster than the speed of light! UH - you really need to check your facts before you go off. If you followed that Hadron colider faster than light saga at all, proper scientific inquiry proved that the supposed faster than light particle was actually a result of a poorly connected cable. since that was corrected - guess what - einsteins theory is alive and well, following hundereds of thoudands of experments and observations - and every single one of them is consistent with Einsteins theory. That is what a theory is - it is not a wild guess, it is an overarching idea that explains hundreds. or thousands of expermental results and observations. If a single observation is proven to be contrary to the existing theory, Science blows up the theory, and looks for a new explanation that will account for all observations and results! Good article. Now, show me a black hole and evolution. Evolution: change in Gene Frequerncy in a given population over time. hundreds of experments have shown exactly that. and no long term experment has shown that the gene frequencies stay constant, so once again, your lack of knowledge of the scientific method, or scientific research procedures, or scientific literature illuminates your bias and prejudices! How about some evidence that anything from Russia is equal or superiour to anything from AMERICA!!! Darrel and the rest of you who postulated about the state of Russian science, Here you go, a really good summary of the state of russian science, and russian science journals rankings in the world of peer reviewed journal, done by looking at number of citations , circulations, subscriptions, relative contributions etc, a very complete examination and ranking. i would tell you that you probably do not want to go there, as the questions about Melba, and the facts behind those questions will haunt you! http://seesdifferent...rn-human-being/ Edited January 27, 2013 by slowstepper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) I clearly explained to you the difference between scientific consensus and popular consensus but you keep acting like their the same thing. So... You talk as if scentific consensus equates to truth, reality, or law simply because scientists are involved. Most often scientific consensus equates to hedging statements so that the body of scientists in question can milk the current source of funding for all its worth. Edited January 29, 2013 by Art1972 remove duplicate image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) I know exactly what it means and I also know that adding the word "scientific" to "consensus" does not make argument from consensus any less of a fallacy. In fact, it makes it a compound fallacy of that and argument from authority. It doesn't matter if 1 person, 10 people, 10,000 people, or 10,000,000 people agree on something if that something is wrong. It doesn't matter if every man, woman, and child on the planet "agreed". Reality is not a matter of consensus, and if the whole of the population of Earth agreed that water was dry and the law of gravity was false then water would still be wet and they'd still fall if they jumped off a cliff. Darwinist: Semantics And if they hadn't "accepted" it, would the universe cease to exist? No, because the truth of the theory predates and precedes the acceptance of the theory. Darwinist: Semantics No, in "my world" (aka Reality as opposed to the fantasy land known as Skepticworld) I don't fall for cheap logical fallacies and shallow debating tricks. Darwinist: In your opinion Edited January 27, 2013 by darwinist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scout1959 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Folks some of you are really embarrassing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) You talk as if scentific consensus equates to truth, reality, or law simply because scientists are involved. Most often scientific consensus equates to hedging statements so that the body of scientists in question can milk the current source of funding for all its worth. Edited January 27, 2013 by Jerrymanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Melba? Paging Melba. We need some news Melba. The inmates are getting restless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Agenda => money => grants => indulgent interpretations of data that keeps the grants flowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Agenda => money => grants => indulgent interpretations of data that keeps the grants flowing. So I guess the law of gravity is a conspiracy right?. Edited January 27, 2013 by Jerrymanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thermalman Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Evolution: change in Gene Frequerncy in a given population over time. hundreds of experments have shown exactly that. and no long term experment has shown that the gene frequencies stay constant, so once again, your lack of knowledge of the scientific method, or scientific research procedures, or scientific literature illuminates your bias and prejudices! Really? There is no absolute proof of evolution.............all theory. My lack of "whatever" does not illuminate any bias or prejudice that comes even close to the lack of proof the evolutionists persist on pushing through as fact or truth. Show me an unbroken chain of evolutional life of any life form over the past 10,000 years, and I'll show you life on another world, next to a blackhole. Edited January 27, 2013 by thermalman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Guess what there is no absolute proof of? that would be bigfoot! correct? so you do not believe in evolution, but you believe in bigfoot? you really need to look at 500 million years though if you want too look at radiation of mutlicellular life forms. 10,000 years puts you 5000 years inside of melbas interbreeding event! and 200,000 years inside of modern humans! Every bigfoot explanation I recall seeing depends on it being a previously undiscovered branch of the hominid evolutionary tree! you remember - an undiscoverd ape somewhere between modern humans and chimps? or some other progenitor? Isn't that all based on the assumption of evolution? And you really need to look up the definition of theory! Really? There is no absolute proof of evolution.............all theory. My lack of "whatever" does not illuminate any bias or prejudice that comes even close to the lack of proof the evolutionists persist on pushing through as fact or truth. Show me an unbroken chain of evolutional life of any life form over the past 10,000 years, and I'll show you life on another world, next to a blackhole. Edited January 27, 2013 by AaronD to remove religious material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WldHrtRnch Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Melba? Paging Melba. We need some news Melba. The inmates are getting restless. LOL :lol: This is true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Nope, you just proved you don't want to admit it when you've been caught out. Bottom line: truth is not a matter of how many people accept it. Nor does rejection (even unanimous) of a truth render it false. Still ducking and dodging the point: truth does not become truth based on "acceptance" or "consensus". Nor can rejection render fact into fiction. If I were to (purely for example) put a functioning, loaded gun up to someone's head, take the safety off, and pull the trigger, all the chanting of "I don't believe/accept that the target will be hurt" in the universe will change the fact I'm about to turn the target's skull into a proverbial canoe. Every time you (or any other Skeptic, for that matter) has said there is no evidence that BF exists, for starters. Mulder, I have a question for you.. Is it *possible* that BF does NOT exsist? Just give me a simple yes or no. Thanks... Edited January 27, 2013 by ronn1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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