Do any of you camp out in potential hot spots?...

[wiiawiwb]

It is not that uncommon to hear stories of dogs reacting that way. What do you think it is about a sasquatch that causes a dog to behave in that manner? Its size, an instinctive sense it could easily overpower and kill a pooch, other?

[MIB]

In '98, I believe, my now hiking buddy and one of his friends went into the same basin I've been investigating since 2014 where we've had any number of things happen.   They camped at the highest significant lake, about 6400 feet.    They had a camp visit, wasn't confrontational or anything like that.    A group, exchanging mumbly vocals, crossed the edge of the camp site.   Most stayed there, one broke away and came over to their tent pressing inwards on the fabric.   The dog, think it was the other guy's dog, went to the bottom of a sleeping bag whimpering and wouldn't come out 'til mid morning.   This was a dog that'd been used to track and tree bears, not a coward, but after that night, it was BROKEN.   From that day forward it wouldn't go outside in the dark to pee in its own yard .. in town.   Whatever happened to it, it was something seemingly more terrifying than mere death because it'd faced that countless times chasing bears.

 

My guess ... infrasound.   It's only a guess.

 

MIB

[Somerset]

On 8/16/2020 at 5:04 AM, MIB said:

I won't lie, some nights I wonder (real hard) if I've made the wrong choice, but so far I've made it back.   

 

@MIB what is it or was it that made you have the wrong choice thoughts? 

[wiiawiwb]

4 hours ago, MIB said:

In '98, I believe, my now hiking buddy and one of his friends went into the same basin I've been investigating since 2014 where we've had any number of things happen.   They camped at the highest significant lake, about 6400 feet.    They had a camp visit, wasn't confrontational or anything like that.    A group, exchanging mumbly vocals, crossed the edge of the camp site.   Most stayed there, one broke away and came over to their tent pressing inwards on the fabric.   The dog, think it was the other guy's dog, went to the bottom of a sleeping bag whimpering and wouldn't come out 'til mid morning.   This was a dog that'd been used to track and tree bears, not a coward, but after that night, it was BROKEN.   From that day forward it wouldn't go outside in the dark to pee in its own yard .. in town.   Whatever happened to it, it was something seemingly more terrifying than mere death because it'd faced that countless times chasing bears.

 

My guess ... infrasound.   It's only a guess.

 

MIB

 

Interesting. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard. Thank you.

[7.62]

8 hours ago, wiiawiwb said:

It is not that u

ncommon to hear stories of dogs reacting that way. What do you think it is about a sasquatch that causes a dog to behave in that manner? Its size, an instinctive sense it could easily overpower and kill a pooch, other?

 

 

For some reason I like this guys telling of his encounter and how it ruined his coon dog. 

 

 

[norseman]

12 hours ago, MIB said:

In '98, I believe, my now hiking buddy and one of his friends went into the same basin I've been investigating since 2014 where we've had any number of things happen.   They camped at the highest significant lake, about 6400 feet.    They had a camp visit, wasn't confrontational or anything like that.    A group, exchanging mumbly vocals, crossed the edge of the camp site.   Most stayed there, one broke away and came over to their tent pressing inwards on the fabric.   The dog, think it was the other guy's dog, went to the bottom of a sleeping bag whimpering and wouldn't come out 'til mid morning.   This was a dog that'd been used to track and tree bears, not a coward, but after that night, it was BROKEN.   From that day forward it wouldn't go outside in the dark to pee in its own yard .. in town.   Whatever happened to it, it was something seemingly more terrifying than mere death because it'd faced that countless times chasing bears.

 

My guess ... infrasound.   It's only a guess.

 

MIB

Dogs evolved from Wolves 20k plus years ago in Siberia. 

 

I think it’s an ancient memory resurfaced. 

[DaleyWoodbeater]

Maybe it's wrong to take dogs squatching, if an encounter can potentially be so damaging to their mental health?

[MIB]

^^^^ It can be but it isn't always.    Some dogs seem to be fine with it.    Seems to depend on the personality of the dog and the personality of the person in charge of the dog.    The issue is that the last people who are willing to admit their dog might have a problem are the people with dogs who are the most likely have a problem ... denial and defensiveness.   (Kinda of like parents of kids.)    I wouldn't worry as much about a family mutt as I would about a bred and trained protection dog.  

 

MIB

Edited August 26, 2020 by MIB

[MIB]

On 8/25/2020 at 3:31 PM, Somerset said:

@MIB what is it or was it that made you have the wrong choice thoughts? 

 

If you have some time, watch / listen to the Bigfoot Odyssey interview with Mark Barton.    What if he's right?   He might be delusional, so he might be wrong, but I do not read intentional or knowing deception from him.   So the possibility he's right, no matter how far out his account is, shouldn't be discarded merely because the content is uncomfortable.    What if we are messin' with something other than what we think we're messin' with and we are completely over our heads, outclassed.   Human arrogance doesn't like to consider that .. but we should.   The quickest way to lose is to underestimate your opponent.   We always lose, but we refuse to consider that this "opponent" might have an advantage over us ... again, human arrogance.   Not rational, reasonable approach to the "problem."  

 

In the back of my mind, I have to ponder "what if ... ?"

 

... then I have to look for ways to prove or disprove it 'cause I"m too dang foolish to walk away.   What has been seen can't become unseen.   ... or, put another way, I've taken the bait.

 

MIB

[jayjeti]

I camp alone for a week at a time sometimes in my favorite sasquatch site, and I get lots of activity.  I think they will come around a lone person more easily than a group of people.  They will throw things and hit my tent sometimes at night.

[Somerset]

On 8/27/2020 at 2:37 AM, MIB said:

 

If you have some time, watch / listen to the Bigfoot Odyssey interview with Mark Barton.    What if he's right?   He might be delusional, so he might be wrong, but I do not read intentional or knowing deception from him.   So the possibility he's right, no matter how far out his account is, shouldn't be discarded merely because the content is uncomfortable.    What if we are messin' with something other than what we think we're messin' with and we are completely over our heads, outclassed.   Human arrogance doesn't like to consider that .. but we should.   The quickest way to lose is to underestimate your opponent.   We always lose, but we refuse to consider that this "opponent" might have an advantage over us ... again, human arrogance.   Not rational, reasonable approach to the "problem."  

 

In the back of my mind, I have to ponder "what if ... ?"

 

... then I have to look for ways to prove or disprove it 'cause I"m too dang foolish to walk away.   What has been seen can't become unseen.   ... or, put another way, I've taken the bait.

 

MIB

Thank you i will try and find the Bigfoot Odyssey.

 

BUT, what was the reason behind that what if thought? I'm guessing it was at night? What was your personal what if? I dont know, its difficult to comprehend here in the UK, there's no what if, there's no noise in the night there's nothing that can change your outlook on life via one fleeting glimpse or far off bone chilling cry 

[MIB]

On 8/29/2020 at 3:41 PM, Somerset said:

Thank you i will try and find the Bigfoot Odyssey.

 

BUT, what was the reason behind that what if thought? I'm guessing it was at night? What was your personal what if? I dont know, its difficult to comprehend here in the UK, there's no what if, there's no noise in the night there's nothing that can change your outlook on life via one fleeting glimpse or far off bone chilling cry 

 

Those "one glimpse" and sounds in the night are not really outlook-changing for me.   Those are part of my outlook, always have been, except the first glimpse lasted at least 3-5 minutes and covered roughly 550-600 yards of total travel beginning more than 100 yards to my left, moving 75 yards in front of me, and continuing away for 400+ yards to my right before going out of sight.   That's not a glimpse.   It is plenty of time to ask yourself questions, to weigh what you are seeing.       Oddly enough, despite all else, I can't report any bone-chilling cries.   "Whatever."  

 

So, whether you choose to accept it for yourself or not, understand that <<for me>>, non-existence of bigfoot is no longer an option.   I can't suggest it, I can't coddle it, not with any integrity whatsoever.  

 

At the same time, it is also clear Science does not accept the existence of bigfoot as reality.

 

I'm a science guy .. despite all else.    The apparent inconsistency disturbs me.   Science SHOULD be able to find and validate the existence of bigfoot.    I see only 2 options.   Either the bigfoots have been astronomically lucky and the humans astronomically unlucky, or we're missing something in our understanding of science.    And that latter should not be a surprise.   When we talk about discovery of new species, new medicines, new sub-atomic particles, finding out that science was incomplete via the mechanism of discovering something new is almost commonplace.   And yet when we consider bigfoot, suggesting that seems to be offensive.   A challenge of dogma.

 

So here's where I get in trouble by answering your question.   Besides being a science guy, I am also a born-again Christian.   A terrible one, worst example you'll ever meet, don't want your view of others tainted by what you know about me, but here I am, that's me.    Mark Barton's interview goes into things that I have heard other places from other people though not in the same level of detail.    Go back to the older posts here and read what ThePhaige shared.   Consider parallels.

 

Until I know what they are, from the standpoint of scientific proof, I have to consider other things they might be, things that science doesn't allow for right now.   In this case, what amounts to being demonic entities.    Being Christian does not remove my science bent.   I have wondered if "demonic", "alien", and "interdimensional" could really be 3 different descriptions for the same thing, just viewed through different cultural understandings of "science" of the time.  

 

If that is the case, we could be in way over our heads.   We might be assuming superiority over "these things" the same as we have intelligence superior to a raccoon and yet it might be role reversal, something so offensive to our ingrained sense of human superiority that we refuse to look at it.  

 

I'm not concerned about what happens out there in the woods.   I'm concerned, to some small degree, about what might know me and follow me home, not in a physical sense, but in a metaphysical sense.    What doors, what boxes, are we opening when we seek them out?   What boundaries do we have to protect ourselves from something physically, and metaphysically, immeasurably mightier than ourselves?

 

Understand ... if any of these notions are correct, are real, I believe that like everything else real, they operate by physical principles science CAN understand .. though it may not do so yet.    Suggesting such things, hopefully I've offended the monkey hunters, the scientific establishment, the small minded, and the rest of the Christians all in the same post by putting ALL of the dogma I can think of on the table, including my own, and questioning every bit of it.   

 

Flame away ...

 

But if you're thinking, not flaming, maybe you understand ... we do NOT know, and until we DO know what is, we also do not know what is not.    Since what we know is failing at every turn, I think we better consider that something we do not know is in play.   If wrong, we lose nothing but a little mental gear spinning, but if right, we might save ourselves from a lot of grief.   Maybe even being 411-ed.

 

MIB

 

[PNWexplorer]

9 hours ago, MIB said:

 Besides being a science guy, I am also a born-again Christian.   A terrible one, worst example you'll ever meet, don't want your view of others tainted by what you know about me, but here I am, that's me.   

 

MIB

 

When people ask about my religious affiliation, I tell them that I'm a Baptist, but really bad at it.  I consider myself a Believer, and saved.  But still have a proclivity for whiskey and women that I can't seem to shake.

 

I too, have struggled with the spiritual implications of if/when alien life is confirmed, and the demonic paradigm of many aspects of the paranormal world.  I've tried to shed my faith during some dark times in my life, but was never able to.  God won't give up on me.

[wiiawiwb]

@MIB

 

Thank you for sharing. At some point, all of us have to address the lingering issue why haven't we "bagged one" yet. The longer it persists, the more questions will, or need, be asked. The deeper we need to probe.

 

If a sasquatch is more than a near-human or close ancestor, it might not only solve the Missing 411 question but underscore the last movie/documentary, Missing 411: The Hunted. <my bold and underline>

 

Frankly, it is a little unnerving to think about it when you're out in the middle of no where hoping against hope you're big-bore firearm is the great equalizer. Maybe, in reality, it's nothing more than a pea-shooter up against an adversary whose weaponry we can't even imagine.

[hiflier]

Reports say people have shot them dead. Watched and heard them whimper, groan or scream when running away after being shot- even with a 30.06. Not really my idea of anything but large, powerful flesh and blood. A fair question might be is there an animal that has been see LESS that a Sasquatch in th last century? And if so why hasn't IT been given a paranormal status- at least I haven't heard of anyone doing so with any scientifically rare species. I can see where the fact that there is no specimen for study might result in a paranormal evaluation but, for me at least, there are thousands of reports that say otherwise. At minimum, the depth of reported tracks lends to a 100% physical creature. Ask Bob Gimlin if there was anything paranormal about Patty. Ask anyone who is a knower. Between us and the animal kingdom I only see one creature intelligent enough to remain "undiscovered", both in guile and in low numbers, which has ALL of the capabilities necessary to remain undiscovered without moving toward something beyond entirely physical.

 

Christopher Knight remained in the same woodsy area of Maine for 21 years before his "discovery". Had a sheltered camp and everything and folks said it was so well hidden as to be almost impossible to find. Now imaging a creature that doesn't need an elaborate camp, blends in with it's surroundings, stays in remote, inaccessible regions, and doesn't need to steal things from people to survive. Putting the creature into these perspectives keeps it in the "real world" without question which, in my mind anyway, says to keep going in the manner that that we have been with perhaps a few changes in methodology according to what's available these days to assist in the search.