Guest para ape Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Para ape... I am posting in here to actually try to help your cause, and your enjoyment of these forums. While the discussions of the paranormal aspects of bigfoot are fine, and even interesting to consider, i believe one of the reasons that other members are having a difficult time is in the way that you word your posts. The truth of the matter is this: At this point, even though there have been some possible breakthroughs in the study of these creatures, there is not enough definiitive evidence to state what they are.... whether they be flesh and blood animals, or not. Many of your posts- you basically are saying that what you believe is FACT. You cite two researchers who believe that they experienced something paranormal or unexplainable in regards to a Bigfoot encounter. Because they believe this, and you believe them- does not make it a fact. You say thing's like "I don't doubt these kinds of reports at all because bigfoot is a supernatural entity anyway and it certainly would be capable of being invisible." Saying it IS a supernatural entity is not going to be met on here with much acceptance. It would be better to say I believeit to be a supernatural entity. Part of your stuggle is going to be that most people that believe in Bigfoot, believe it to be a flesh and blood animal. That's not to say that some (including me) are unsure about whether they are capable of things like "infrasound" and other things we dont understand.... But unfortunately just like the existence of Bigfoot itself- saying it is so, does not make it so..... I hope that you understand where im coming from, and that you dont get too upset with myself and other members who question your posts... i think alot of it results because of the way you are stating things as fact, when that's simply not the case. ART Art,to be honest with you,I do believe that bigfoot being paranormal is a fact based on the evidence that I've considered.That the reason it has never been discovered and it's the answers to alot of other questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Para ape... I am posting in here to actually try to help your cause, and your enjoyment of these forums. While the discussions of the paranormal aspects of bigfoot are fine, and even interesting to consider, i believe one of the reasons that other members are having a difficult time is in the way that you word your posts. The truth of the matter is this: At this point, even though there have been some possible breakthroughs in the study of these creatures, there is not enough definiitive evidence to state what they are.... whether they be flesh and blood animals, or not. Many of your posts- you basically are saying that what you believe is FACT. You cite two researchers who believe that they experienced something paranormal or unexplainable in regards to a Bigfoot encounter. Because they believe this, and you believe them- does not make it a fact. You say thing's like "I don't doubt these kinds of reports at all because bigfoot is a supernatural entity anyway and it certainly would be capable of being invisible." Saying it IS a supernatural entity is not going to be met on here with much acceptance. It would be better to say I believeit to be a supernatural entity. Part of your stuggle is going to be that most people that believe in Bigfoot, believe it to be a flesh and blood animal. That's not to say that some (including me) are unsure about whether they are capable of things like "infrasound" and other things we dont understand.... But unfortunately just like the existence of Bigfoot itself- saying it is so, does not make it so..... I hope that you understand where im coming from, and that you dont get too upset with myself and other members who question your posts... i think alot of it results because of the way you are stating things as fact, when that's simply not the case. ART To be honest with you,I believe my views are fact.Why don't you think the creature hasn't been discovered in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Para Ape, I'm going to merge these two paranormal bigfoot threads, as they discuss pretty much the same thing. Mark,I have to say that I disagree with that.Both are paranormal topics but they're entirely two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I know that people who believe that bigfoot is a physical creature disagree with my views but this a bigfoot forum,so you should be able to discuss the topic from every angle and aspect,regardless of whether you're a believer,skeptic or paranormalist,like myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Perhaps BF have their own ghosts or poltergeists? If they are as human as it seems to be coming out, perhaps their dead.....I don't know where to go with this...but what if bf doesn't have the filter we modern humans have concerning paranormal things? So there maybe physical bf and ghost bf? Just stabbing in the dark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HairyGreek Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I know that people who believe that bigfoot is a physical creature disagree with my views but this a bigfoot forum,so you should be able to discuss the topic from every angle and aspect,regardless of whether you're a believer,skeptic or paranormalist,like myself. I think the General would disagree with you. What are you going to do/say when/if this Sierra Kills story comes to fruition? It will sure upend your theory. Have you prepared yourself for the possible release of DNA evidence, photos, etc that are rumored to come forth in the near future? What would your retort be to said information? That it was fabricated, or would you recant your belief in a para-normal Sasquatch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Hairy Greek,if that were to happen,I'm not too big of a person to admit that I was wrong.But don't get your hopes too high.I'm telling you that I know what this thing is and that they will never find dna,hair,or bones from it.It not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HairyGreek Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) Hairy Greek,if that were to happen,I'm not too big of a person to admit that I was wrong.But don't get your hopes too high.I'm telling you that I know what this thing is and that they will never find dna,hair,or bones from it.It not going to happen. I have as much hope in them proving Bigfoot is real as I do you will be able to provide tangible evidence he is para-normal . Fair enough? While I don't have "hope" in the outcome of the scientific study, I do think the odds are in their favor at this point. We shall see. Also, you are saying they have not found DNA, bones, etc. That is a pretty blanket statement that oddly enough puts you in Parnassus' and his ilks backyard; who would then soundly reject your presupposition. What a wonderful world... Edited August 8, 2011 by HairyGreek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 You know how? You know because you know? Occam's razor should apply. While paranormal sounds edgy, hot, and convenient, it's also the absolute last infinitesimal possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Hairy Greek,if that were to happen,I'm not too big of a person to admit that I was wrong.But don't get your hopes too high.I'm telling you that I know what this thing is and that they will never find dna,hair,or bones from it.It not going to happen. Para Ape, I have a few questions about your beliefs. In this post and others You've stated that you "know" what this thing is, yet you've never seen one. How do you "know" anything about the nature of a creature that you have had no interaction with? Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you baseing all your beliefs on the writeings,reports,and beliefs of others? There's nothing wrong with that approach in and of itself, not everyone lives close to active research areas. It's just difficult for me and others to give this point of view serious consideration after seeing, hearing and experienceing a physical being which interacts with it's surroundings like any other physical being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Dog Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The most important variable in Paras theory is, he is assuming the reports he takes as fact are truthful. I can say I shot at anything, or hell, talked sternly to it and shook a stick in it's general direction. Doesn't make it so if I can't prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 To say that all reports are hoaxes or lies is absolutely ridiculous.Do people say the same about bigfoot reports in general?No!The problem is that you flesh and blood believers are just automatically biased toward the paranormal reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BDK Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 To say that all reports are hoaxes or lies is absolutely ridiculous.Do people say the same about bigfoot reports in general?No!The problem is that you flesh and blood believers are just automatically biased toward the paranormal reports. As it seems that you are biased towards the paranormal aspects. You just walked in, cited a few reports, drew your own conclusions that is HAS to be paranormally based and are pounding the table going it IS THIS YOU MUST BELIEVE ME! Everything has to be taken into account, but nothing has been proven or disproving about Sasquatch to this day. We have lots of strong evidence on many things about them, but no body has come forward yet with the smoking guns to end the debates. So ease back, enter into the debates with evidence/stories/accounts and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The problem is that you flesh and blood believers are just automatically biased toward the paranormal reports. I can't say this isn't true. There is a threshold of possibility - the world can be any of a number of shapes. There is a threshold of acceptance - most people believe that the world is round. There is a threshold of fact - the world is round. When DNA, or a body is presented, I suppose you could posit one of two new theories: a. Bigfoot are impervious to gunfire, unless they choose not to be. b. Bigfoot can manifest inanimate forensic evidence and leave it behind, analogous to a lizard detaching its tail. Personally, in my several encounters, I have observed no paranormal capabilities. I do not consider infrasound to be a paranormal aspect and am open-minded about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 JDL,a body or dna won't come forth.It hasn't happened in all this time and it never will.I just don't understand how people can continue to believe that bigfoot is a physical creature.If it was,bones,a body,and it's capture would've happened a long time ago.The fact that the creature is supernatural in origin should be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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