Incorrigible1 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The problem is that you flesh and blood believers are just automatically biased toward the paranormal reports. Not a problem. I readily admit I am biased against explanations/theories/adamant claims of any animal having paranormal abilities. I also don't believe bigfoot can readily solve a Rubick's Cube. Do you? If not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 To say that all reports are hoaxes or lies is absolutely ridiculous.Do people say the same about bigfoot reports in general?No!The problem is that you flesh and blood believers are just automatically biased toward the paranormal reports. Addressing the second part of your post I agree that most of the flesh and blood crowd are indeed biased against the paranormal. The word Paranormal means not understandable in terms of known scientific laws, or beyond normal explanation. In my opinion the explanation for bigfoot is MUCH more likely to come from the physical world that we can all touch feel and observe. Feel free to state your opinions as you want, however, if you are looking to convert most of the "flesh and blood" crowd I'm afraid you might be spinning your wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Mark,the point that I'm trying to make is that there are to many weird things that have been seen in connection with the creature to just simply ignore.Every angle and aspect needs to be looked at in order to understand what bigfoot is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 In regards to the creature being impervious to gunfire,I noticed the loopholes and excuses that many came forth with.That is typical when people don't won't to believe something.But the whole point of the thread was to show that bigfoot has never been killed in all of the many times that it has been shot at,even at close range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I've always wondered if some of the wierd or unnatural aspects of some sightings might be due to an adreneline dump. I know for a fact that can and does sometimes effect eyewitness statements in crime investigations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 You may look one way and they will do something to make you look the other way so that you may take your mind from what you were looking at in the first place. Distraction tactics definately has merit IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerm Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 When I was on the monsterquest forum,there were those who said that many of you are saying.Their argument was that a creature that weighs several hundred pounds and that is heavily muscled like bigfoot would be hard to kill.That holds little water because moose,grizzly bears,and gorillas also weigh several hundred pounds and are heavily muscled but THEY'VE BEEN KILLED!They also talked about the caliber of weapon,saying that you can shoot a deer with a .22 and it will wander around for a couple of hours before it drops dead.That may be true.But I guarantee that regardless of the caliber of weapon you're using,bigfoot can't be killed.It's already been proven in over 50 shooting cases that go back to the 60's. If you shot in it in the head,you couldn't kill it.Also,if someone used a grenade or rocket launcher,it wouldn't work.Trust me on this one. There are two reports on BFRO of BFs that were shot and killed. There are far more reports of BFs running off after being shot. Most of these shooters were not big game hunters, and simply took pot shots with under powered weapons. BF is definately the super being of the woods but is not impervious to wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 JDL,a body or dna won't come forth.It hasn't happened in all this time and it never will.I just don't understand how people can continue to believe that bigfoot is a physical creature.If it was,bones,a body,and it's capture would've happened a long time ago.The fact that the creature is supernatural in origin should be obvious. Here's what I don't understand- if the fact that no bones, body, DNA, live specimen, etc. indicates anything to you, why would it be that the animal is supernatural in origin? Why wouldn't it instead be that the animal simply does not exist? To me, that would be the same as me saying "I do not see anyone else in this room with me, right now. I cannot see, hear, or otherwise sense that anyone is here. The fact that these people are invisible should be obvious." As a believer in BFs existence, I find it MUCH easier to believe that the animal does not exist and every encounter ever reported has been a case of mistaken identity, hallucination, or outright hoax than to believe that the animal is supernatural and uses magic to avoid detection. I just can't comprehend why this would be the direction your conclusions would take. Also, since you are so absolutely certain that this is the case, is BF the only creature on Earth that is "supernatural in origin", or are there others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BDK Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 In regards to the creature being impervious to gunfire,I noticed the loopholes and excuses that many came forth with.That is typical when people don't won't to believe something.But the whole point of the thread was to show that bigfoot has never been killed in all of the many times that it has been shot at,even at close range. Bub, I hate to be the one to keep picking on you so I hope you don't think its on purpose, but you are doing the exact same thing. I have you a link to reports about bigfoots being shot and were either killed or wounded, that is neither a loop hole nor an excuse. You are looking at a small number of reports and drawing one conclusion. I am looking at a larger number and drawing the exact opposite conclusion. That is the process. If you had come up with thousands of reports of point blank bigfoot shootings with high powered weapsons where the creature just walks away, I'd support you. But you haven't. You've hit on a great strain of reports that show a resistance to firearms, but nothing that shows they are some mystic creature. Could there be a trace of the paranormal to it? Sure. But as a researcher into such things as Bigfoot, Yeti, Loch Ness Monster etc etc you have to be open to any and all explanations and not narrow track yourself into the idea it HAS to be this or HAS to be that based on a few reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 In regards to the creature being impervious to gunfire,I noticed the loopholes and excuses that many came forth with.That is typical when people don't won't to believe something.But the whole point of the thread was to show that bigfoot has never been killed in all of the many times that it has been shot at,even at close range. If you have excessively thick hide, that might do it. It doesn't have to be paranormal, as in dodging bullets like Neo in the Matrix. I can attest to the variation of skull thicknesses in individuals. A small hand gun can shatter one person's skull like cracking an egg, the next person's skull might have an embedded/flattened bullet in the scalp that did not penetrate bone. The point I'm making is one should educate themselves to all other possible non-paranormal explanations before jumping to the paranormal conclusion, otherwise, we would still be in the dark ages burning midwives as witches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Let me throw a little different perspective into this debate. Before I do, though, I will state that I believe there is a flesh & blood creature with absolutely NO paranormal abilities that fits the description of BF. Now, on with my points.... There are tons of BF reports on file. Most of them fit the pattern of a normal, natural creature. However, there is a fairly large body of reports as well as groups of people who ascribe paranormal abilities to BF or BF like creatures. These abilities run the gambit from UFO-connections, teleportation, immunity from harm (bullets, etc.), shape-shifting, multidimensional beings, glowing eyes, mind speak, mental telepathy, and all sorts of other abilities. The larger part of the BF community does not place a lot of stock in the paranormal reports/subculture. However, when you look at those paranormal qualities from a Christian perspective (I am not trying to get into a religious discussion in violation of the rules, just attempting to give perspective, especially to Para Ape's arguments so others can see where he may be coming from), they mirror many of the same things that are equated with evil and demonic in the Bible. As Bigfooters, we either tend to group all of the body of BF information together, or we throw out what seems incredible and unlikely and accept what seems to us as more likely. Those who lean more toward the paranormal BF subculture, by and large tend to group all of the BF information together. They may keep the paranormal BF view, or, as Para Ape and many others (he is not nearly alone in his views) as demonic or some other paranormal entity. Those of us who hold to the "flesh and blood creature" view tend to stay in one of two camps: 1) We accept the normal, scientifically acceptable information/reports and write off the paranormal stuff as either mistakes, adrenaline, or just pure kookiness 2) We accept the normal, scientifically acceptable information/reports and group the paranormal stuff into the realm of the demonic or something that is not BF, but some other potentially paranormal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wild eyed willy Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I watched a show on TV, can't remember the name of it, but it is short UNTRUE storys ( I think it is on animal planet) monster type storys. In one story they were searching for the jersy devil.. Naturally at night, the monster attacks and they guy with the gun levers all of the rounds onto the ground without ever fireing one round.. ( his body reacting in fear)... Lever action rifle.... Even though this is fake, I can see a scared person doing this in the fear of the moment.. If that person then moved, he or she might never know no shots were actually fired, and might well believe they emptied the gun on the creature and it had no effect....... Not saying this has happened, just that it could happen. not having the correct ammunition could also be a big factor in the amount of damage imparted on the intended target. For instance if one was out deer hunting with hollow points in say 357 mag rounds, they might very well penetrate enough for a kill, because deer hide and muscle mass is close to ours in mass. However if the round hit bone, it might just stop, being that the bone density might be sufficient to stop the travel of the hollow point. If the same hunter were to fire the same hollow point at a passing black bear, the result would probably be much different.. The hide of a bear is very thick with lots of course hair. Their muscle mass is significant and bone density is very thick. The hollow point would probably mushroom against the fur/Hair creating a larger mass and reducing penitration considerably. In short, a flesh wound and a pissed off bear. Unless the shooter was armed to take down bear, any off handed protection shot directed towards a BF would probably be a waste of ammo and certainly less that lethal to the BF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I'll like to add that I read a book titled "Skin Walkers" which mentions bigfoot. This has been troubling me a little because the book is about paranormal activities that occur at a ranch in the SW America. I believe this book for some reason. Several times in the book, the researchers state they ran into BF entities. One even says he saw a BF emerge from a dimensional portal. I need to go read that book again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Bub, I hate to be the one to keep picking on you so I hope you don't think its on purpose, but you are doing the exact same thing. I have you a link to reports about bigfoots being shot and were either killed or wounded, that is neither a loop hole nor an excuse. You are looking at a small number of reports and drawing one conclusion. I am looking at a larger number and drawing the exact opposite conclusion. That is the process. If you had come up with thousands of reports of point blank bigfoot shootings with high powered weapsons where the creature just walks away, I'd support you. But you haven't. You've hit on a great strain of reports that show a resistance to firearms, but nothing that shows they are some mystic creature. Could there be a trace of the paranormal to it? Sure. But as a researcher into such things as Bigfoot, Yeti, Loch Ness Monster etc etc you have to be open to any and all explanations and not narrow track yourself into the idea it HAS to be this or HAS to be that based on a few reports. BDK,I want to see it.I don't think what you refer to is true. Because these things can't be killed,somone can forget about killing one to prove that they exist.That is why I knew the Georgia incident was immediately a hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest para ape Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 BDK,I want to see info that you're referring to.I believe it's incorrect.I know that there are over 50 shooting cases where bigfoot was never killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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