Valley of the Apes: The Search for Sasquatch in Area X

[Foxhill]

Go get'em guys, this was always one of my favorites 

https://thebigfoot.show/2014/07/10/tree-trouble/comment-page-1/

[HV-Squatcher]

On 6/27/2022 at 11:11 AM, Marty said:

The more time goes on with Area X the more skeptical I get. There's tons of things that don't add up like you mention. No body cams? No hostility from the Sasquatch? You'd think with guns fired would trigger a response by now. It just seems too good to be true, often times it is. All these wild stories and sightings, you'd think SOMEONE would've bitten the bullet and invested, even at least individually, in a camera of some sort. Over 10 years and no one has thought of it? Fishy to me. 

 

I hear they want to invest in cameras all of a sudden, took them long enough. We will see if anything arises, my guess is that the Sasquatch will conveniently be more stealthy. 

But that's a bit overreaching and cynical I admit. We will see and I eagerly await results. 

When you listen to NAWAC interviews, several of their "sightings" were mistaken identity cases, attributed to bigfoot after the fact...

 

"I saw a humanoid shape that I thought was my buddy, but then it turns out my buddy wasn't there, so it was probably a wood ape.  There's no humans in Animal X except for us, and of course the many humans that inhabit and traverse this private property."

[9-dot]

There is a wealth of information in this Michael Mayes book.  Much more is available in NAWAC's Ouachita Project Monograph, NAWAC pdcasts and news releases, and NAWAC newsletters.  I know of no other organization that approaches the careful documentation and ready release of information that NAWAC provides (and that analysis includes THE BIG ONE).
For anyone interested attached is a jpg (flat file to guard against imbedded info) of a word file that addresses the five failed NAWAC attempts to collect a wood ape specimen (the file also sheds some light on "hard" versus "soft" wood ape sightings and the fact that only 5 attempts have been made in 50,000+ man hours of trying).

[CelticKevin]

3 hours ago, 9-dot said:

There is a wealth of information in this Michael Mayes book.  Much more is available in NAWAC's Ouachita Project Monograph, NAWAC pdcasts and news releases, and NAWAC newsletters.  I know of no other organization that approaches the careful documentation and ready release of information that NAWAC provides (and that analysis includes THE BIG ONE).
For anyone interested attached is a jpg (flat file to guard against imbedded info) of a word file that addresses the five failed NAWAC attempts to collect a wood ape specimen (the file also sheds some light on "hard" versus "soft" wood ape sightings and the fact that only 5 attempts have been made in 50,000+ man hours of trying).

 

And all those shots fired with blood splatter makes me wonder why the wood apes would stick around in a dangerous place. And if it was so valuable to them, why wouldn't they make a few researchers have "accidents" to drive the rest off? There simply isnt much of a reason for the hairy folk to stick around with a dangerous...possibly deadly...invasive species running about.

[Twist]

^ bingo!     No congruency going on here.  

[Huntster]

Beautiful shooter positions, interesting blind. I love the rifle mounts and chairs. I wonder why the blind is positioned in that spot? Maybe it's overwatching bait.

 

I might have to get the book.......

[Catmandoo]

4 minutes ago, Huntster said:

Maybe it's overwatching bait.

 

The Kilo incident of 2013 had a shooter with a thermal scoped 30-06 that attempted a head shot. The round was deflected by foliage. The bait was a snoring human in a tent.

[Catmandoo]

I have the book. Area 'X' was designated in 2006 but researchers were in that area 2001. The book is about enthusiasm, effort and failure. The author is only printing what NAWAC wants us to know. Any top secret details are still top secret. Wood Apes have been reported in this part of the country since the 1800's. Seems like most of the locals in that area have seen one. The terrain looks brutal with dense foliage and trackless ground cover with a lot of rocks. Difficult to impossible to have a clear, identifiable shot through the foliage. Area X base camp is on private property with 3 cabins. Humans use motor vehicles to drive to the cabins. Pitch a tent(s) and erect a canopy for the 'overwatch' shooter tent. There does not appear to be much 'searching'. They occupy base camp and wait for the Wood Apes to find them. The Wood Apes find them over and over. The Wood Apes have been throwing Hershisers at the researchers for decades. What do they do with all of the rocks? There must be a fancy rock fire pit / rock fire ring or rock garden. 

 

The Wood Apes have been watching the humans and schooling the young ones about human behavior. The ones studying on the periphery are not accounted for by the humans. I would guess that at least 3 generations of Wood Apes have been watching and listening. I will post in the paranormal section about 'hate'. Humans zig and Wood Apes zag but the apes are 10 zags ahead. They mimic call blasting 1 time and go silent. They mimic human speech expletives 1 time and go silent. Smart and sneaky. They set up the humans and elicited a sound shot. They created a loud noise and the human response was a sound shot with a 45-70. Why not throw a stick of dynamite? At least you will know where it lands. The next trick is for the Wood Apes to set up the humans to get into a cross fire scenario.

 

I think that the shooting activity may have had results but other Wood Apes carried off the injured / dead. Funny thing about the thermal scopes. When they lost sight of the target, they were not able to reacquire. They have had serious firepower.  9 rounds from a semi-auto 12 gauge of 2 double ought buckshot then 7 slugs.

3 slugs from a Remington 870 plus some .40 caliber rounds from a side arm.

 

The non lethal equipment has been a mix of technology. The radio transmitter-cocklebur device was diabolical. However, if the location of the cocklebur on the animal was not seen, then the height above ground for attachment is unknown. 

Wood Apes have an eye and ear for their environment. The cameras that they have used are not stealthy. Cuddeback, Reconyx, Buckeye, Plotwatcher and GoPro can be seen and heard. They have camera camo from South Africa. Designed to hide cameras from poachers. It is impressive. Good colors and texture. I bought the 'pine bark' unit. It has an odor and is outside currently in an attempt to get rid of the human smell.

 

Area X has high temperatures right now  A slang name for 'X' could be 'blood, sweat and tears'. I can't take hot gooey weather. 

 

I am relieved that the author reports that during the entire time of being in Area X, no persons reported being zapped,  experiencing mind speak

or other telepathic activity.

 

Good luck waiting for the Wood Apes. And duck when the Hershisers come whizzing in.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Catmandoo
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[wiiawiwb]

How could a shooter "verify" that the subject seen on a thermal scope is not a human?

[norseman]

4 hours ago, wiiawiwb said:

How could a shooter "verify" that the subject seen on a thermal scope is not a human?

 

[Huntster]

It's difficult to believe that they've gotten five close range shooting situations and have no dna from dripped blood to show for it. It's also remarkable that they don't even have to search for the creatures. If true, it's just a matter of time before they eventually get dna. Even if the creatures spirit away dead carcasses, there's no way I'll accept a storyline where the creatures perform a biological scrubbing like police after a murder scene.

 

Those folks sure have the setup: private land, lots of resident sasquatches with attitudes, excellent night optics on excellent weapons, cabins, etc. That semi-auto 12 gauge with the 9-round magazine sure makes me curious. My Remington 11-87 has a 7 round magazine (and 20" barrel), and I thought that was the biggest available. I consider that shotgun to be a pretty powerful weapon. Any target within 50 yards is in deep trouble. 

12 hours ago, Catmandoo said:

 

The Kilo incident of 2013 had a shooter with a thermal scoped 30-06 that attempted a head shot. The round was deflected by foliage. The bait was a snoring human in a tent.

 

The "bait" got quite the wake-up alarm!

[Catmandoo]

4 hours ago, Huntster said:

The "bait" got quite the wake-up alarm!

 

The bait tent had a sleeping human. The human went outside to pee.  The Wood Ape was seen through a thermal rifle scope and was described as no-neck, conical head. Head shot was taken. The human hit the dirt ( perhaps sans pee ) and crawled back to the tent. The .30-06 round was deflected. 

The thermal gear at the time did not have image recording capability. 'Thermal image views' in the book are recreations. The available recreations do not show an entire animal. 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Catmandoo
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[wiiawiwb]

10 hours ago, norseman said:

 

 

That is quite obviously human but I highly doubt that a sasquatch would allow itself the liberty of being in such a wide open space and so vulernable.  Have the object streak across the forest floor or hide behind a tree or tall bushes and the obvious becomes not so obvious.

 

One can only hope the protocol would be a bipedal object standing out in the open as depicted above. I suspect that a sasquatch wouldn't be so accommodating.

 

 

[norseman]

2 hours ago, wiiawiwb said:

 

That is quite obviously human but I highly doubt that a sasquatch would allow itself the liberty of being in such a wide open space and so vulernable.  Have the object streak across the forest floor or hide behind a tree or tall bushes and the obvious becomes not so obvious.

 

One can only hope the protocol would be a bipedal object standing out in the open as depicted above. I suspect that a sasquatch wouldn't be so accommodating.

 

 

That’s a actually supposed Yowie. The men to the right are there for comparison at the actually site. Obviously there is no comparison.

 

If you set up a ambush site? In the day time you would cut firing lanes, range some landmarks and have a pretty good feel of your layout. You could even thermal some of you buddies in the day time and mark their height with a tree limb, etc.

 

It can be done safely and reliably if you go about it the right way.

[Explorer]

Got to read the book.  Found it a worthwhile read and well above average for BF books.

 

It is a good summary of the history of NAWAC and all their trials and tribulations.

 

Like many, I am also disappointed that after 10 years (778 man-days according to the author) of dedicated efforts by many smart people, no good photos or voucher specimen was collected. 

Nonetheless, the book explains why.

 

My gut feeling, after reading all of their experiences at area X, is that these entities (wood apes) were playing with them.

Most of the time (for about 5 years), the creatures were approaching them at the cabin in area X.

The creatures were not being baited with food to go there, so it appears that they just wanted to mess with the humans.

 

On page 159, there is a good insight that I can relate to because it applies to places that I have been to in CA and WA.

 

"There is a direct correlation between the amount of time spent in the valley and sightings or other anomalous experiences.  The more time you spent in Area X, the more likely you were to see something.  It's also worth noting that sightings often occurred in "waves" or "flaps".  Often, there will be two to three weeks of intense activity followed by a month or more of little to no activity.  If an investigator was on site during one of these active periods, it is only natural that he/she would have more visuals. Although this narrative might give you the impression that the activity was non-stop in Area X, that was simply not the case.  In fact, most of the time nothing, or very little happened."

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Explorer