gigantor Posted September 8, 2011 Admin Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) The "fast tests" are difference comparisons of key portions of DNA identified to be of particular interest, as I understand them. Like a breast cancer test, etc. They can be patented, etc. An entire sequence cannot and is not a trivial undertaking. Edited September 8, 2011 by gigantor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dudlow Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 They didn't have a Neanderthal sequence, either, when they started, but they whipped one up 'from scratch' to the point where discussion about cloning has already taken place. They are the go-to DNA lab on the planet. - Dudlow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantor Posted September 8, 2011 Admin Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) hummm. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure you don't need to sequence the DNA in order to clone an animal, so that may not be relevant. Think of DNA as a computer program, like Microsoft Word. sequencing = listing the source code of the program from the machine language (1s and zeros) cloning = copying the program to run on another computer. Edited September 8, 2011 by gigantor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted September 8, 2011 BFF Patron Share Posted September 8, 2011 Not any more, 'gigantor'. The Max Planck Institute has made huge strides in developing techniques that have darned near perfected DNA sequencing. What took years before now takes days or a few short weeks, at most. - Dudlow If this is the case, it is hopeful maybe they are involved in the current project to sequence Bigfoot DNA. Maybe somebody could write the Max Planck institute and ask if they have had cause to attempt to sequence unknown primate dna thought to be Sasquatch or Bigfoot related. Maybe they would say they are under an NDA or that it is a proprietary trade secret?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest parnassus Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Well there certainly would be enough tissue for that. What do you think of Disotell on the board Parn? Do you think he is just there for some face time if things pan out? Speculation I would guess there was some lengthy negotiation there, on several topics. I expect that both Meldrum and Disotell have some common opinions on the current state of affairs relating to DNA testing, and I would, if I got some odds, place a wager that this was the factor that made the marriage. In effect, the Snelgrove Lake fiasco and Paulides/Ketchum forced their hands. You can view that however you like. The exact nature of their pre-nup is open to speculation. The make-up and role of the Board is one item in it, for sure. I could guess at some features of that arrangement. I would be surprised if the first issue doesn't spell out some of this. I would also expect that some specific guidelines for DNA research would be coming out. In spite of the best intentions, half of marriages fail. I expect that will happen within a year. Edited September 9, 2011 by parnassus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Dudlow, I think parnassus is trying to say that to sequence the entire genome of any living thing is an exceedingly difficult, time consuming and expensive chore. It took years, billion$ and super-computers to sequence the entire human genome. Ketchum & co are most likely just targeting certain portions of the DNA for their study and assuming the rest via statistical analysis. I seriously doubt they have the resources for a complete sequencing. On a related note, it appears someone (likely Ketchum's lawyer) registered the following domains last December: bigfootgenome.com bigfootgenome.net bigfootgenome.org sasquatchgenome.com sasquatchgenome.net sasquatchgenome.org Not to mention... sasquatchdna.com sasquatchdna.net sasquatchdna.org sasquatchdna.info bigfootdna.net bigfootdna.org bigfootdna.info The one notably missing domain name is bigfootdna.com which was registered by Bob Schmalzbach back in November. This could be related to an early business venture involving Ketchum, Stubstad and Schmalzbach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Speculation I would guess there was some lengthy negotiation there, on several topics. I expect that both Meldrum and Disotell have some common opinions on the current state of affairs relating to DNA testing, and I would, if I got some odds, place a wager that this was the factor that made the marriage. In effect, the Snelgrove Lake fiasco and Paulides/Ketchum forced their hands. You can view that however you like. The exact nature of their pre-nup is open to speculation. The make-up and role of the Board is one item in it, for sure. I could guess at some features of that arrangement. I would be surprised if the first issue doesn't spell out some of this. I would also expect that some specific guidelines for DNA research would be coming out. In spite of the best intentions, half of marriages fail. I expect that will happen within a year. Why wouldn't you speculate that Disotell is hopeful that there is something to this DNA stuff, and he'd like his shot at validating or refuting it? If he really just wanted to dismiss the whole bigfoot phenomenon he would have told Meldrum to bug off. I'm sure he would try to set the bar high for acceptance of bigfoot, but he's also gambling on the posibility he could be converted from the skeptical position. You seem to imply that Meldrum doesn't like what he is hearing about the DNA and has enlisted Disotell to cut it to pieces. What if it only strengthens the results? Will you be hollering yaaahhhoooo? Edited September 10, 2011 by southernyahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest parnassus Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Why wouldn't you speculate that Disotell is hopeful that there is something to this DNA stuff, and he'd like his shot at validating or refuting it? If he really just wanted to dismiss the whole bigfoot phenomenon he would have told Meldrum to bug off. I'm sure he would try to set the bar high for acceptance of bigfoot, but he's also gambling on the posibility he could be converted from the skeptical position. You seem to imply that Meldrum doesn't like what he is hearing about the DNA and has enlisted Disotell to cut it to pieces. What if it only strengthens the results? Will you be hollering yaaahhhoooo? I agree with your first paragraph; as far as the second is concerned I think cut to pieces is way too strong. But I do think that Meldrum does not believe Bigfoot is human, and he doesn't want a DNA fiasco. Incidentally, Disotell, like any scientist, would give his left *** to find Bigfoot DNA. What would I do if he did? Id probably believe him. What will you do if bs doesn't? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Meldrum is speaking at the Texas Bigfoot Conference on the same day Melba Ketchum is scheduled to appear at the Honobia Bigfoot Festival. Maybe they'll appear together onstage via those large front projection screens you see at the Oscars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigantor Posted September 13, 2011 Admin Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) Much ado about nothing, IMO. If someone had the proof, we'd be talking about the details. The idea that people are holding back on info because of NDAs is laughable. Each passing month makes me more skeptical, it's been over a year now and nothing. We've heard that the "paper" was already out for peer review and waiting for the results, then that it is not finished yet, then that they are adding more samples to the study. Yes, I'm prepared to eat crow in the unlikely event I'm proven wrong. Literally, I will fry me some crow and try to enjoy it. Edited September 13, 2011 by gigantor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wanabee1 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The Relict Hominoid Inquiry http://www.isu.edu/rhi/index.shtml Editor: Dr. Jeff Meldrum Hosted by the Idaho State University The objective of the RHI is to promote research and provide a venue for the dissemination of scholarly peer-reviewed papers evaluating the possible existence and nature of relict hominoid species around the world. Will this be the venue to host the release of the much anticipated, peer-reviewed DNA research paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LAL Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I would hope not. The proper venue would be a journal like Nature but maybe after all the mainstream journals have rejected the paper Dr. Ketchum can still publish in The Relict Hominoid Inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 There was a rumor earlier that it would be published in The American Journal of Physical Anthropology. If her paper is published in the RHI first, even I will cry foul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 There was a rumor earlier that it would be published in The American Journal of Physical Anthropology. If her paper is published in the RHI first, even I will cry foul! I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen. She is following a few related topics on her Twitter feed (including "Nature"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest parnassus Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 NAGPRA only applies to federal agencies and lands and any institution that receives federal money. NAGPRA does not apply to federal land. However, many states, including California, have a state version of NAGPRA that applies to private land (for historic or prehistoric materials) and all states/counties have laws that pertain to possession of recently dead human remains. Therefore if Paulides truly believes that bigfoot is a human Native American, he could not be legally in possession of tissue, a body nor a skeleton. It hasn't been my impression that Paulides believes bigfoot is Homo sapien sapiens Native American - but rather Homo something...but I could be wrong. CA state law provides for possession and study of the remains of Native Americans, much as do the federal statutes. See CA Public Resources Code 5097.9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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