Huntster Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, hiflier said: ".......there is no proof of their existence.......", Example follow up to that response:........ "Well, then, would you consider approving a permit for the harvest of a specimen in order to secure that proof?" Quote .......**These are not hard questions to ask but they need to progress logically and be carefully worded** And leaving absolutely no avenues for scientific or logical escape while piling more administrative responsibility right back on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 BINGO!....and BINGO!. P.S Class will soon be is session over on the Chimp/Bonobo thread. And it will also be logically laid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, hiflier said: BINGO!....and BINGO!. P.S Class will soon be is session over on the Chimp/Bonobo thread. And it will also be logically laid out. When class resumes there, reserve consideration for a new term used in this peer reviewed study; Pan Ancestor......... https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11128 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Huntster said: When class resumes there, reserve consideration for a new term used in this peer reviewed study; Pan Ancestor......... https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11128 If chimps and bonobos are different species because their social and sexual behaviors differ and there are @ 3% DNA differences, what about those of us with @ 3% Neanderthal DNA traces in our genetic line and different social and sexual behaviors? Are we a different species than tribal sub-Saharan Africans, who universally don't have any Neanderthal genetics, and have wildly different social and sexual behaviors than so many others with European genetics and histories? Don't expect that species debate to extend into homo sapiens. If you think that racial problems are troublesome, wait and see what can occur when you start placing current homo sapien races into a different species. And THAT is why government doesn't want to deal with sasquatchery, but that is precisely where science is taking us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Huntster said: Are we a different species than tribal sub-Saharan Africans, who universally don't have any Neanderthal genetics, and have wildly different social and sexual behaviors than so many others with European genetics and histories? Not in the least. Genetically speaking, 3% different is not the same as that of the .1% (point one percent) difference in DNA between all modern Humans. But every year that gets increasingly complex as our genetic information, as well as that of more ancient Human species varieties, gets fed into more and more advanced and powerful computers. In other words two different species of Human groups that co-mingled more than once before they split up and maybe co-mingled a second time 200,000 years later in a completely different geographical location. Or a third. The result would be passing DNA back and forth between the two at completely separate times that could be eons apart. Edited November 12, 2022 by hiflier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, hiflier said: Not in the least.......... Then how can bonobos possibly be a different species than chimps? You're demanding to have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Genes are made up of base pairs. But when looking at a whole gene, say between a Chimp and a Bonobo there will be inserted base pairs and deleted base pairs within a shared gen that make each respective gene do something a little different. For instance, one Human gene of that comes from each Human parents will be selected. And even though the genes are essentially the same, each gene will contain different information that gets selected and passed onto a child. That's how one brother can have red hair and another brown. Stuff like that will not change one species into another. It's when a shared gene does something different that makes the difference. We share the gene that creates an appendage with many animals, but we get toes where others get hoofs. By the same token, Chimps and Bonobos are genetically 98.9% close to us. But unlike we Humans who are .1% different from each other, Chimps and Bonobos are more like .4% from each other. It doesn't sound like a whole lot, but it really is. Just ask your self how much is .4% (.004) of around 3,000,000,000 (billion) nuclear base pair? Answer: .4% of 3 billion translates into 12 million base pairs differences. In mitochondrial DNA ..4& of its 16,569 is about 66 base pairs. Now go look at the table I posted on the Chimp/Bonobo thread and see what a base pair difference of 66 would mean. Look at the genetic sequence difference between Chimps and Bonobos. So, my friend, I'm not trying to have it both ways really. I see it this way, in genetics there is truth. Every living thing has a specific blueprint. And so would a Sasquatch. That's why I study genetics. To see if it holds up as a tool for proof of discovery. It does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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