Anyone have any recent photos of a Bigfoot they took ?

[bipedalist]

Larry Batson, wildlife rehabilitator and school science visitor had a good video series from West Virginia with the USFWS personnel.  I probably have the DVD somewhere around.  He of course used the whole process for fundraising for his animal projects and sciency visits to schools.  It was fairly informative but insofar as serious traction with USFWS personnel you would have to ask Larry about that. I think his care facility was in Indiana or Illinois if I'm not mistaken.  Someone on the forum from that section of the country probably knows him or how to contact him.  He obviously made some pretty important connections but that was probably 20 years ago. He'd probably be more informative about the nature of the problem than many so-called experts. https://digitalmedia.fws.gov/digital/collection/audio/id/1/   To stay on point, the only evidence I have in related pictures in my BF research is some cool ectomists which I WILL NOT post to forum.  I do have a collection of beautiful stick structures but will not engage in posting those either. 

 

He was on bigfoot quest, tune in to 3 minutes to cut thru chaff 

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by bipedalist

[xspider1]

The notion that “just about EVERYONE” can collect Bigfoot DNA may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve read here in about 20 years. 

 

And, as far as forcing more Government cooperation, good luck with that.  Government activity in a Democracy almost always runs by majority rule.  If a survey was done, I’d bet that public support for such endeavors would be significantly less that 50%, probably closer to 1%?

 

 

[norseman]

8 minutes ago, xspider1 said:

The notion that “just about EVERYONE” can collect Bigfoot DNA may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve read here in about 20 years. 

 

And, as far as forcing more Government cooperation, good luck with that.  Government activity in a Democracy almost always runs by majority rule.  If a survey was done, I’d bet that public support for such endeavors would be significantly less that 50%, probably closer to 1%?

 

 

I think most everyone CAN collect alleged Bigfoot DNA. The problem lies with where are you going to send it? And how much will it cost?

 

No one has answered this. And I highly doubt any lab is going to open its doors to an army of laymen sending in a deluge of samples expecting it done for free. Anyone can put on rubber gloves and stuff poo or hair into a ziplock bag. The magic happens at the other end…..

 

Back on topic…. I always go to YouTube and follow someone like mountain beast mysteries or the learning to hunt guy to see the latest alleged photos and video. If and when I find something at least somewhat interesting I post it in our video section. I think my last one was a supposed Russian video.

[MIB]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

And I highly doubt any lab is going to open its doors to an army of laymen sending in a deluge of samples expecting it done for free.

 

Right, unless the TESTING is fast, easy, cheap, and can be done en masse, no lab can afford to open their doors for unlimited free testing.   They'll be buried.  

 

For me, e-DNA is a dead end.   I don't have the cash for what amounts to near random testing.   I can pony up for a regular test once, maybe twice, then I'm broke.   That means I have to focus on high value high confidence samples.   I don't have those.

 

 

[hiflier]

3 hours ago, MIB said:

For me, e-DNA is a dead end.   I don't have the cash for what amounts to near random testing.   I can pony up for a regular test once, maybe twice, then I'm broke.   That means I have to focus on high value high confidence samples.   I don't have those.

 

There has already been discussions on that aspect. What I'm finding out is that not only do discussions continue to go around in circles, the same mechanism is at work with answers that are supposed to address progress. Answers that show that, even if people have read solutions to a problem before, they will still answer in a manner that shoots down progress. And this includes how to work at getting testing for little or no cost. People seem to conveniently forget that part of a previous discussion. At least with an answer like the above they aren't willing to bring up a lick of anything positive.

 

But I presented TWO alternatives. the second was set up a meeting go talk to F&W. My own F&W WILL go out and sample cougar and/or wolf tracks for DNA should I find and report any any and the evidence looks good. On their dime. They will also go out and sample Sasquatch tracks also if the evidence looks good. On their dime. The real issue here is one of straight out resistance by members to step up, stand up, and take matters into their own hands.

 

Heck, I'm 74 years old, can be taught new tricks, LEARN new tricks, and can can all my F&W, set u a meeting, and walk in the door and sit down and talk to someone, and leave them compelling research materials which they say they will go through and then give me their thoughts. And this is on top of a stated willingness to go into the field and sample rare species ASAP. Does this make me a better researcher than anyone else for doing this? Or make my F&W better than someone else's? NO!! It does not, in neither case. All that my doing this shows me is that people here that battle constantly against progress are showing their true colors.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, all the money spent on going solo into the field: gas, vehicles, thermal equipment, guns, clothing, tenting gear, and everything else is in the thousands...PER PERSON. So IMO, griping about DNA sampling costs, when there are ways to get it done for free, is an argument that carries no weight whatsoever. This brings me to another point that I've brought up before: The apparent agenda to stifle anything that could advance this subject to the kind of hard evidence that would matter where discovery of Sasquatch existence is concerned. And I can almost predict what will come next here.

[norseman]

21 hours ago, hiflier said:

 

There has already been discussions on that aspect. What I'm finding out is that not only do discussions continue to go around in circles, the same mechanism is at work with answers that are supposed to address progress. Answers that show that, even if people have read solutions to a problem before, they will still answer in a manner that shoots down progress. And this includes how to work at getting testing for little or no cost. People seem to conveniently forget that part of a previous discussion. At least with an answer like the above they aren't willing to bring up a lick of anything positive.

 

But I presented TWO alternatives. the second was set up a meeting go talk to F&W. My own F&W WILL go out and sample cougar and/or wolf tracks for DNA should I find and report any any and the evidence looks good. On their dime. They will also go out and sample Sasquatch tracks also if the evidence looks good. On their dime. The real issue here is one of straight out resistance by members to step up, stand up, and take matters into their own hands.

 

Heck, I'm 74 years old, can be taught new tricks, LEARN new tricks, and can can all my F&W, set u a meeting, and walk in the door and sit down and talk to someone, and leave them compelling research materials which they say they will go through and then give me their thoughts. And this is on top of a stated willingness to go into the field and sample rare species ASAP. Does this make me a better researcher than anyone else for doing this? Or make my F&W better than someone else's? NO!! It does not, in neither case. All that my doing this shows me is that people here that battle constantly against progress are showing their true colors.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, all the money spent on going solo into the field: gas, vehicles, thermal equipment, guns, clothing, tenting gear, and everything else is in the thousands...PER PERSON. So IMO, griping about DNA sampling costs, when there are ways to get it done for free, is an argument that carries no weight whatsoever. This brings me to another point that I've brought up before: The apparent agenda to stifle anything that could advance this subject to the kind of hard evidence that would matter where discovery of Sasquatch existence is concerned. And I can almost predict what will come next here.

Give me the contact information of your Maine Fish and Wildlife officer that is going out and EDNA sampling Sasquatch tracks on the state government’s budget. 
 

Thank you.

[hiflier]

I gathering here that you don't believe me? I've never lied here on this Forum, Norseman. Never in ten nearly ten years that I've been here. I have two trusted doors that I've worked to open. And I did both with honesty. I didn't trick them, I didn't blind side them, or set them up with a strawman request by using strawman questions. Bottom line is I will NOT give you that information and breech a confidence that took me time and careful patience to establish. In retrospect, this Forum left me little choice but to go that route, mainly because there's really never been anything here that one could hang their hat on. In other words, anyone seriously seeking the truth of Sasquatch existence simply needs to go elsewhere. About 3 years ago I realized that it had taken me way too long for me to find that out. So instead, I dug in OUTSIDE of this Forum and began to turn real-world handles on real-world doors. And now you just want me to hand all that over to you? Seriously, Norseman? In your dreams, bud.

[norseman]

8 hours ago, hiflier said:

I gathering here that you don't believe me? I've never lied here on this Forum, Norseman. Never in ten nearly ten years that I've been here. I have two trusted doors that I've worked to open. And I did both with honesty. I didn't trick them, I didn't blind side them, or set them up with a strawman request by using strawman questions. Bottom line is I will NOT give you that information and breech a confidence that took me time and careful patience to establish. In retrospect, this Forum left me little choice but to go that route, mainly because there's really never been anything here that one could hang their hat on. In other words, anyone seriously seeking the truth of Sasquatch existence simply needs to go elsewhere. About 3 years ago I realized that it had taken me way too long for me to find that out. So instead, I dug in OUTSIDE of this Forum and began to turn real-world handles on real-world doors. And now you just want me to hand all that over to you? Seriously, Norseman? In your dreams, bud.

Won’t hand it over? Well then your not really all that concerned about discovery then are you?🙄

 

 

[wiiawiwb]

4 hours ago, norseman said:

Bottom line is I will NOT give you that information and breech a confidence that took me time and careful patience to establish.

 

No one is asking you to do that.  You could, however, privately go to your contact and ask if he or she is willing to receive and process eDNA from others in this group...in the interest of science and discovery. If the answer is affirmative, you could provide that information in a private message to folks here. I would honor that confidentiality.

 

If neither you nor your contact is willing to do so, that tells me all I need to know. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by wiiawiwb

[norseman]

5 hours ago, wiiawiwb said:

 

No one is asking you to do that.  You could, however, privately go to your contact and ask if he or she is willing to receive and process eDNA from others in this group...in the interest of science and discovery. If the answer is affirmative, you could provide that information in a private message to folks here. I would honor that confidentiality.

 

If neither you nor your contact is willing to do so, that tells me all I need to know. 

For the record thats Hifliers quote not mine.

[bipedalist]

19 hours ago, hiflier said:

I gathering here that you don't believe me? I've never lied here on this Forum, Norseman. Never in ten nearly ten years that I've been here. I have two trusted doors that I've worked to open. And I did both with honesty. I didn't trick them, I didn't blind side them, or set them up with a strawman request by using strawman questions. Bottom line is I will NOT give you that information and breech a confidence that took me time and careful patience to establish. In retrospect, this Forum left me little choice but to go that route, mainly because there's really never been anything here that one could hang their hat on. In other words, anyone seriously seeking the truth of Sasquatch existence simply needs to go elsewhere. About 3 years ago I realized that it had taken me way too long for me to find that out. So instead, I dug in OUTSIDE of this Forum and began to turn real-world handles on real-world doors. And now you just want me to hand all that over to you? Seriously, Norseman? In your dreams, bud.

 

Yet he asks all research groups and individuals to hand over the eDNA results and get with the program because it is so easy HE can do it?  Hmmm, cuts both ways on the old double standard doesn't it!

[norseman]

I am certainly not a hot commodity in the Bigfoot world. And I don’t have any secret to finding a Bigfoot. But a solemn promise to the BFF is that if I do stumble across one technique or hotspot or resource?
 

I WILL share it with all of you. For me it’s about discovering a new species. Nothing more.

 

To stay on topic? That would include any interesting photos!🤞

 

(Which reminds me I need to pull my trail camera and get new batteries in it)

[NorCalWitness]

On 4/2/2023 at 5:20 PM, Doodler said:

I like what Thinker Thunker is doing with video and photo analysis. I think it's an interesting take on the study of evidence and more importantly seems to be repeatable.

 

He's been measuring the ratio of torso to arm to leg and showing a radical difference between modern human and various photos and videos of purported sasquatch. They fall into two sides, and is very compelling evidence.

 

He just released a video about the very few facial shots of potential Bigfoot, for example the trail cam Bigfoot and the white monster photo, as well as a head that was on display measuring center of eye to center of bridge of nose, down to the bottom of the nose to the lip. 

 

Even in the bell curve of human body proportions, these fall well outside ours, and interestingly fall inside their own.

 

IMO, this is the most interesting shift in study of the subject in a long while.

Its bunk science. Size ratios in a 2D environment (like a scene on film) are guesswork, at best, and knowingly deceptive at worst. I think he is terrible for the movement, as it is not even pseudoscience that he is using, and many people cite him as a real source. All he wants are views. Its a business for him. He knows about perspective distortion but that doesn't stop him! No reason to let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion

 

 

[MIB]

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

(Which reminds me I need to pull my trail camera and get new batteries in it)

 

Yeah.  That, too.  Many of mine are 8-9 years old and are starting to fail.    I'm testing them in the yard before I pack them to the hills.    No rush on that, there was almost 11 feet of snow where I normally park to hike in to set up cameras.    I suspect the parking lot won't be accessible 'til at least mid July this year and I have no idea how long after that it will be before the snow under the trees otherwise blocking the trails have melted enough to make them passable.    I think August might be busy.

[NorCalWitness]

On 4/3/2023 at 5:44 AM, hiflier said:

 

Excuse me, xspider1, I practice what I preach as the saying goes. I have NEVER asked anyone to do anything I am not doing or have been doing. And I'm being "annoying" on purpose in an effort to motivate people to lose repeating the same MO that hasn't worked in decades. And that goes for either shooting one (proof- for a while anyway) or simply getting a clear photo or video (not proof- ever). Short of that,the other approach is two-fold: Be brave enough to confront agencies or find ways to collect DNA. BOTH  knocking on doors and collecting DNA of which are well withing the grasp of just about EVERYONE no matter who they are or what level of experience they may have.

 

I an only "annoying" to anyone that wants and prefers zero for progress and is somehow satisfied with current, obviously, non-productive approaches.

 

You are a real level 1 thinker, thats for sure. 

 

Who does you discovering proof of Sasquatch benefit? Hint: its only you. 

Who are you trying to prove it to?

What do you think happens when you "confront agencies" about Sasquatch? You think federal bureaucrats don't keep lists of aggressive crazies?

DNA has been done many many times. 

You are now just walking in a circle. All you are proposing is old news. Nothing new or even helpful.