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This thought about tracks and encountering other critters .. I still think the most likely to be dangerous is other humans. There are a lot of good people out there. It only takes one problem person, though sometimes those travel in packs. Watch out around campgrounds and trailheads, they present a predatory person with an ideal opportunity .. people with their guard down, possibly few witnesses, and a ready way to escape / fade into the crowd (traffic). Maintain situational awareness .. ear buds out, cell phones pocketed / put away, hands free, and keys handy. You want to be able to walk to your car, open the door, throw in your pack, climb in, and drive away with no searching for keys etc while you are at your maximum exposure to risk. Probably all will be cool, but it is better to be over prepared than under prepared.

Out again today up the Pack River. Cut deer and moose tracks. Hiked 2 miles into a clear cut. Did a few call sets. Nothing. The clouds rolled in early after noon. Pea soup. On the way out but still on National Forest I come around the corner and what appears to be a Wolf standing on the road. I grab the binos and look at it and it finally turns and it has a harness on.🙄 I never saw the owner. The chick in Montana that shows up to the bar with a skinned Husky was playing in my head.🤣 I got back on the main FS road and continued up river until I hit a mudslide that wiped the road out. A 4 wheeler with tracks had cut a trail out and had made it through. I had to turn around. But it did remind me to stop at the DMV in Idaho and buy my 2026 sticker for my Yamaha Grizzly on tracks. It’s getting to the point that I need to be taking it to reach the good spots. My birthday gift of the Ray Ban smart glasses is working out well. I can just take a picture with a button on the frame instead of digging for my cell phone. And I think the picture quality looks good. What do you guys think?

Happy New Year, Bigfoot family! I hope every one gets a chance to answer their questions about Bigfoot/Sasquatch this year, whether it's with a sighting, physical evidence, or online research. I'm still very much enjoying the adventure, even as I turn 81 today. Cheers!

That is an huge revelation to me as well. They were all, surely, tough as nails to begin with.. just as surely as the trip to the mine and cabin were hard work, the work in the mine was even harder work. The walk to the water was tough and at night? Tough as nails or not, forget it. Whatever happened there, they weren't going anywhere in the dark either way.

From a pure story telling perspective? I like Bob Gymlan. His real name is Bryan Gagne, stage name of Bob Gymlan. The illustrations are what does it for me. Compelling stories well told. Not strictly BF related, of course, but entertaining nonetheless. Some of the others will just relay any zany story that some troll or prankster sends in, zero vetting, which turns me off immediately to the rest of their content. Other than that, there's a hundred small channels with no subscribers who go out and film in the woods, same or not they put time in. Western New York Bigfoot is an example. Just a guy going into the woods.

Merry Christmas BFF!

Yes, at least at times. I'm not too concerned when I'm in my "research area" or in other parts of this general area. I know I'm watched, followed, occasionally on the losing end of what seem to be practical jokes / pranks. I think if I were in danger there I'd have turned up missing long ago. They're only there when safe food is plentiful. Other places I'd be more calculatingly cautious at least until I learned the vibe / ground rules of the place. I don't care for finding cougar or bear tracks in my tracks when I return. That puts my hackles up much more than BF does. And now we have wolves in increasing number / increasing distribution, some that have learned to overcome / ignore human hazing. Bigfoot is the least of those worries.

I want to thank Forums management for the opportunity to expand the historical archives. I've had a Newspapers.com subscription for awhile but was using it for other reasons. I really didn't think of its use for Bigfoot-related research until I was fact-checking a book of historical sightings and I discovered more newspaper articles than I could possibly make use of. It would have been a shame just to stuff that research into a closet and force others to re-invent the wheel.

Looks like 37 members voted. Top 5 1) Latest Bigfoot News 2) Researcher Discussions 3) Researcher Media 4) PGF Discussion 5) Historical Archive Library If you combine 2 and 3? You can see that researchers are truly our most valuable resource on this forum! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you to all of our “boots on the ground” members who share their findings, pictures, audio, etc! I also want to thank Trogluddite for expanding the Historical Archive! 👍

How long was CLOVIS FIRST jammed down our throats? How many scientists careers were destroyed for simply reporting the truth? And it wasn’t just a little wrong…. It was vastly grossly WRONG. So if science suppressed vastly older cultures found farther south than Berengia 13000 years ago? For 75 years? What else are they suppressing? They concocted a “narrative” and then they vehemently defended that narrative. This wasn’t science. This was a cult. And people shouldn’t just blindly trust science. It should be questioned repeatedly. And be forced to reconsider the evidence often and adjust hypotheses accordingly. Heckle fish WF video talks about the Egyptian experts loosing their poo about older cultures in Turkey recently found. Why does science do this? And they of course throw shade on bipedal cryptids the world over. Despite more findings that our family tree was more bushy and more recently extant than previously thought. Why?

I just got back from a birthday bonfire on the banks of the Fraser River with the research gang. Was blessed with a unique rendition of "Happy Birthday" by non other than Thomas Steenburg; hilarious!!

Ironically, the story didn't bother me 'til I watched the vid of the "expedition" to the site. With just how crazy steep that is, the whole thing takes on a whole new level of disturbing. Unless there was some other way off the mountain, downhill rather than from above, they were truly sitting ducks. It would take hours at best, in heavy brush, heavy cover, to climb out, requiring hands, not just feet, so no gun in hand, no hasty response possible, with potential ambush at every step. No joke a bad bad situation.

Merry Squatchmas!

Ugh! ::wiping egg off face:: His today-posted video details his latest venture, with Todd Standing and in the first five minutes espousing mind-speak, portals, and Paulides' new movie (being discussed in another active thread.) Reassessing.

He has bitten the Melba Ketchum lure, hook line and sinker. Thats where the “fallen angel” stuff comes from. I think you all know what I think of Ketchums work. Your mileage may vary.

Wolf hunt today in north Idaho. Not much of a winter thus far. We have actually lost snow pack with the Atmospheric River that has flooded much of the PacNW. Saw one Moose today. Saw a-lot of Moose tracks. I went up a dead end road and on the way out discovered I had ran over a kill. Must have been covered in a thin crust of snow. I am guessing its a yearling Moose calf? Maybe a Deer or even a Elk calf. Something had been crunching on the bones and after inspection I found a short black hair on one of the bones. So I kept it and its in the freezer. I am not saying its anything Bigfoot related. But Moose calves, Elk and Deer tend to be a brown color. I thought it was worthy of collecting. If Bigfoot eats ungulates? Surely some evidence will be found on a kill site. If anyone wants the sample? Let me know. In other news I ate it on ice today. The Winchester model 70 hit the ground. Gonna have to check zero. My elbows feel like hamburger. This big thaw has made everything in the mountains a polished sheet of ice. I stepped off the bank after glassing a clear cut and thought the road was snowy. About a 1/4 inch was and underneath was polished glass. Must have looked like a baby Moose on roller skates. Ouch.

Yah my cousins are flooding in Sedro Wooley! Blue sky is nice! Been a good visit with my daughters family.

Envious. What is that blue patch above the mountain? Other than a shower a week ago that barely got the asphalt wet, we haven't seen rain in a long time, but we also have not seen the sun. Wake up to drippy fog, kinda burns off to thick white haze, returns to drippy fog, and gets dark. It gets old. Apparently we've got a pretty serious storm coming in Monday/Tuesday. In a way, I'm looking forward to the change, but I also remember "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

Nah, more like Twix...

Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy New Year! Catching up on some interesting pictures....cheers:)

It would be interesting to follow the global spread of yams. Thor Heyerdahl's theories were not universally accepted after his voyage. Polynesian navigators easily crossed back and forth. Genetic and linguistic research reveals that Heyerdahl's theories don't work. The modern version of Heyerdahl's voyage makes for a nice movie ( except for the parrot ). I have not checked on the travels of yams to see if they went east from South America to Africa and Australia. Yams could have traveled west to Australia and islands.

The first Native Americans did not bring Clovis technology with them. We know that there were settlements like Rimrock Draw cave in Oregon that predate Clovis by a good margin. I know a photographer from the dig. As of now they have solid dates to 18500 BP and there is a smattering of deeper material that hasn't been dated yet. The fossilized trackway at White Sands, NM goes back to about 23,000 BP. There are other sites being excavated that may prove older than either. Nothing, though, in the way of settlement residuals that exceed 30K years and certainly nothing matching the proposed / purported mammoth bones said by some to be human-affected dated to 130K years. For the moment, it looks like Clovis did not derive from Solutrean technology from Europe as proposed, it really was near-parallel development. If Clovis tech were descended from Solutrean tech, we have another problem because there is no DNA in any existent Native American population dating from the same rough time, none. This means that somehow the Asian-descended "Native" tribes would have had to have understood and adopted the Solutrean technology yet killed every single European -sourced person so that there is ZERO DNA passed along. If Clovis technology was imported, it was into a continent already peopled by those using other technologies. Possible. Also possible it was derived in place .. that improbable but not impossible parallel evolution idea. South America is a different puzzle. One piece interesting to me is the yam / sweet potato. Apparently it is indigenous to the south pacific islands. I is maybe reasonable that some could have washed up on South America and taken root, but if so, why do the south American natives use exactly the same word as the south pacific islanders for it? This points to earlier contact than we currently think possible. We could ask why the Olmec heads' features appear sub Saharan African. Coincidence of artistry or .. familiarity with people from continents that shouldn't theoretically have been able to contact each other. We have to be a bit cautious about timelines though. A friend years back was sure that South American and African people migrated back and forth overland before the mid Atlantic Ridge took over. Hah hah, missed by a couple hundred million years. Oops.

I agree and disagree with MIB. 1) I absolutely agree that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result IS folly. I have always been pro kill and I remain so. Even when trolls call me a murderous psycho. Oh well. We can agree to disagree over the morality of it. But I think any sensible person has came to the logical solution that science will only accept a body on a slab or a large portion there of. 2) I absolutely disagree that conspiracies are ignorance. The Smithsonian is under staffed. Well OK….. If we were talking about a new species of butterfly? OK! But an 8 foot tall skeleton? Just misplaced that huh? Got lost in the shuffle? Bull puckey!!! And the amount of surveillance capabilities our current government has at its disposal? There is no way. NO WAY, an 8 foot tall primate has not shown up on a border camera. A FLIR scope on a drone or helicopter. Military bases. Army. Air Force. USMC. US Navy. Coast Guard. Border Patrol. State Patrol. Sheriff Dept. Fire Dept. US Forest Service. US Fish and Game. State Game Wardens. On and on and on. Our Fire Dept had FLIR capabilities in the 1990s. We used to look for hot spots during mop up. I have a buddy that was Air National Guard. Flew mission to catch the Green River killer. Watched him pee on the side of the road from 12000 ft! No one has seen anything? 🤨 Sure. You bet. I would argue that anyone who argues against a conspiracy IS ignorant. Ignorant of their government’s capabilities and ignorant of their governments ability to lie. So why? Well this is the million dollar question right? I think that part of the problem is that the government never wants to admit to something they have no control over. “Hey guys, kinda hard to admit this now but there is a 8 ft tall primate running around North America….sorry we never mentioned this.” And I think that depending on what it is? It may prove to be a headache for the government from an aboriginal claims point of view. Huntster eludes to this. It’s certainly possible. Read the head lines… “US Government signs treaty with Sasquatch tribe in the Hoh rainforest. Millions of acres are set aside for new tribal lands.” Or maybe its recognition is no more than a rare Ape…. A bipedal North American Chimpanzee or Gorilla? No treaties will be signed but it will still impact how business is done on the National Forest! Full stop! They are talking about tearing out the dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers for Salmon because Killer whales are starving in the Pacific. Imagine a population of rare Apes in North America? Whats gonna change? Maybe some people don’t want change?🤷‍♂️

Caught him on the 360 cam!

I think this is the key factor. If the definition of "species" were to differentiate despite being able to breed, then that certainly opens up a very large can of worms. "Wolves and dogs are classified as different species because they have distinct behaviors, physical traits, and ecological roles, despite being genetically similar enough to interbreed and produce fertile offspring. This classification is based on the concept of species, which considers factors like reproductive isolation and evolutionary history, rather than just the ability to mate."

To avoid the political pressure to classify or set aside more lands from access or resource development. To avoid the realization that there is more than one species of Homo on this planet, which opens up numerous new questions/problems about human rights, laws, religious interpretations, politics, ethnicity, etc.

Bigfoot has not been proven to exist .. not by science, not with scientific acceptance. You have things a circular sort of backwards .. cause and effect. Existence in a zoo, etc. is de facto proof of existence. You can't have a thing in a zoo without demonstrating the thing does exist. A wiser, more insightful question would be to skip the zoo angle and just focus on why BF has not been proven to exist. That lies in the history of bigfootery. Someone else will hopefully have memorized the details. Back in the late 60s or early 70s there was a conference with a lot of top scientists present. "The big reveal" was promised. That turned out to be a hoax and the scientists who attended were professionally shamed. Mainstream science has been afraid to stick its neck out since. Yeah, there have been some credentialed scientists who have been involved, but that has been as a personal interest, not with professional backing, not with grant funding, institutional backing, and the other stuff mainstream science needs to operate at full capacity rather than personal curiosity. Those scientists who have been involved have had no more support from mainstream science than you or I have. If you want to understand "this stuff", you have to embrace that understanding as one of your foundational pieces, not try to "but but but" to sweep the inconvenience away from your thinking. Honestly, most people fail. If you want to understand rather than try to manipulate from ignorance, don't be part of "most people." Now .. so far as the evidence we do have, why it hasn't been enough? Remember the Ketchum Study. The best DNA samples we had to date were gathered and apparently tested. That is destructive testing .. when you're done with the test the sample no longer exists. Ketchum's study was a hoax. It destroyed the best evidence to date. The second tier of samples went to Brian Sikes. He recognized / acknowledged that those were lower quality / lower probability samples, basically ones rejected by Ketchum. Read his book. If you want to understand, read his book. The rest .. is a struggle because of limited evidence to test and even more limited funding for testing. Adrian Erickson walked away. We lost Wally Hersom this year. Who is going to pay for it? Who has deep enough pockets? It doesn't matter what excuses we make, how good those excuses are or aren't, we need evidence solid enough that someone is willing to fund the testing. If it is DNA, that costs a bunch. I don't think audio, video, or track cast evidence alone can rise to the level needed for scientific acceptance by themselves. Truly, we need an intact skeleton or a body on a slab. I don't want to be the person to deliver that. I'd rather they go undiscovered if those are my only choices. First, we have to accept that this is indeed what has happened. I question the validity of the assumption. Remember that the Smithsonian has somewhat limited resources. People who have worked there say they have a 50-100 year backlog of samples in boxes they simply have not had time and staff to open and catalog, never mind actually examine and review. If the bigfoot evidence is in one of those, there's no conspiracy hiding that evidence, just simple economics. I think the assumption of a conspiracy shows ignorance. The other? Hair -- Henner Fahrenbach studied unknown primate hair samples for a lot of years. It wasn't hidden, it just didn't rise to the level needed for acceptance. DNA -- as before, cost of testing. Bones -- we do not have proof such bones exist, we only have anecdotes, so maybe there is nothing to examine beyond someone's delusional wishful thinking. Hides -- the hide pieces tested so far have conclusively been shown to be regular animals: goats, rabbits, etc. This is not hiding anything, this is lack of real evidence. If we want PROOF, if we want acceptance of existence, we have to up our game rather than settling for making whiny excuses about our offerings to date not being believed. There's no proof of a conspiracy, there's only whining because our entitled little selves are not getting our way. Want different results? Do something different. Put something real on the table to look at.

Let's guess at some of the reasons for hiding bigfoot evidence such as bones, bodies, actual hides, DNA, or hair.?

It almost certainly has happened. But the Smithsonian is exempt from the Indian graves act. So they could be hiding a-lot with that loophole. The Lovelock cave giants would be a well known example of this. What else is hidden in their basement?🤷🏻‍♂️

Sure. 1) While it's partially out now, I wouldn't use a witnesses real name in an open forum like this. 2) Was there a typo? You say "Joe Dokes" is 50 yo now, but this incident occurred 17 years ago when he was in high school. 3) Given that this appears to have appeared in a remote area, can you and the witness put the start point and approximate cave location on a map program and screen shot it? 4) Would "Joe Dokes" be willing to put you (as an investigator) in contact with witness #2 (John or Jane Doe) so you can get a second version of the incident? 5) For the purpose of someone putting it into the SSR or another database, facts are paramount. We have the who and what. When - to the extent possible, date and time, which would give seasonal information. Where - even a 4-digit grid would allow researchers to see if it relates to other encounters and look at environmental factors (altitude, slope face, etc.) Why - what facts might allow inferences about why the Bigfoot acted that way? What did the witness(es) observe about the cave? I'm sure that others will have questions as well.

This story of ape has been investigated and there are facts that have been discovered about the incident that is posted below. An investigation led to the actual mine and the place where the cabin once stood. Read below and you will understand what facts were excavated from cabin site making the story more than just myth but an actual story that happened. Bigfoot Forums Bigfoot Forums.url The Vanderwhite mine, historically associated with the 1924 incident, was a critical target in the rediscovery efforts. Situated outside the traditional Mount St. Helens mining district, the mine was long thought lost to time and the elements. However, the dedication and meticulous research by Marc Myrsell and his team led to its remarkable rediscovery. The mine's location, outside of the mining district, highlights the historical context of mining claims in the early 20th century. In the era of hand-staked claims, locating this mine was akin to finding a needle in a haystack. Further exploration led to more concrete findings. A significant moment occurred when Braden and Jared Mitchell, members of the research team, sent a photo to the speaker showing an obvious mine entrance, identifiable by the drill holes present. This confirmed the location of the mine, which the speaker had previously visited and estimated to be within 50 to 75 feet of their earlier explorations. In 2014, the discovery of a broken-off box saw blade next to a stump further supported their findings. This, along with other field evidence, convinced them that they had indeed located the cabin. This discovery was seen as a significant part of the history of the Pacific Northwest and was highly prevalent in historical records of the time. The team also found various artifacts at the site, including baling wire (which was identified from a 1924 photo), a spoon, nails, and the foundation of the cabin, with nails still driven into the logs. Despite the area being covered by trees and rocks and appearing just as a steep slope, they were able to uncover two walls of the cabin, as well as some cross beams, by digging down about 4 to 6 inches The rediscovery of the cabin site stands as a testament to the power of perseverance and collaborative historical research. With Marc Myrsell's extensive knowledge and assistance, the team embarked on a journey that would ultimately lead them to the long-lost cabin. This effort was not just about finding a physical structure; it was about reconnecting with a pivotal moment in local folklore and history. The discovery of the cabin site, where the miners once took refuge and faced the mysterious creatures, offers a tangible connection to the stories passed down through generations.

Just found your channel, didn't see this here. You guys are doing some great work! Excited to see this here, and watch your vids. Happy hunting!

Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all the BFF.

Flash of Beauty

10 votes. Not much of a sampling. What little time I have for watching videos, I go with The Facts By How To Hunt. Like the no nonsense delivery and word for word reading of other folks experiences.

I think this is most likely right. The only logical reason Wally Hersom didn't have Ketchum prosecuted for fraud is that he was on the same page. I think what she actually found completely refuted her preferred theory and between them, they decided to deliberately tank the "study" rather than present something absolutely disproving their intended result. In other words, rather than prove the Bible by proving nephilim via bigfoot, they found something else. They found a non-spiritual, F&B thing, no "angel DNA" (yes, she DID use those words). MIB

Where Paulides loses me is at the idea of “fallen angels”. He doesn’t define this term, and seems to rely on the reader/listener to bring their IYKYK sensibilities to the discussion. As someone raised in the Episcopal, and later on, the Presbyterian (USA) church, I am well acquainted with the concept, but he is pretty much on the fundamentalist dog-whistle track with that. But…to attach much credibility to the whole idea requires a belief in the inerrancy of scripture, especially Old Testament writings. I don’t have too much faith in the Bible being mostly more than an assemblage of allegorical oral traditions…selectively edited by those paying for the work (Looking at you, Emperor Constantine). How the whole idea of angelic transgressors is relevant to solving the problem is left unsaid. It smacks of superstition to me, and is a typically Western solution to explain anything outside of man’s rational experience. If we are relying on Jesus to explain Bigfoot to us at the Rapture, I for one find this less than satisfying. Not wanting to move the discussion too far down this path, as faith is a very sensitive topic to delve into, but do any have opinions to help illuminate what exactly Paulides feels, and Carpenter felt, and how this is at all relevant or useful?

I'm partial to Cabin in the Woods. And a close second is Hellbent Holler.

Voted for A Flash of Beauty, their work is amazing. Bigfoot Crossroads, Bigfoot Society, Wood Walkerz for interesting witness reports and general listening, others for more specific geographical or methodical interest.

I think my two favorite channels are Sasquatch Theory and Grassman 58

Yosemite Search and Rescue has issued a breakdown and description of all of its responses for the year 2024. Granted, they are not a law enforcement agency but at least we get a better idea of what is going on in the park and why. For the record, I do not buy any of Paulides' "Yosemite Cluster" hypothesis at all. Yosemite Search and Rescue 2024 rescue, death numbers released

After Ostman and Ape Canyon, before PGF. A little known event in Washington. Seattle Magazine_ Our Last Monster.pdf

Nah, HOAX!! There's a secret society of hoaxers that go around and plant bigfoot tracks so that unsuspecting hikers/snowplow operators/etc. will find them. Others in their group run around in Bigfoot costumes, anytime, anywhere. Sorry. Just feeling snippy this morning and need more coffee. In fact, I felt so snippy that I forgot to hit "Submit Reply" and will have to drink twice the usual coffee tomorrow morning....

I wouldn't quite put it that way though I can see how someone else might. I think people are just too "danged" sure of themselves, too sure of their infallibility, too sure a mere (monkey, primitive human, near human .. pick one) can't outsmart them. That leads to believing either bigfoot a) doesn't exist or b) must be "magical". For people who have seen enough, non-existence isn't an option. When confronted with what is left, a binary choice between accepting their own limitations or leaping to "magic", their feeble egos choose "magic" as the explanation. I don't happen to fall into that trap. That said, there are a few repeating occurrences ... in other words, good probability there is something real ... which are either beyond current science -or- there's a bit of trickery in play so that we fail to use the correct piece of current science when trying to understand / study / identify it. I think both of those are a cool challenge to try to get to the bottom of and I accept in advance that I may fail to do so. Doesn't make them magic though. (I think your assessment of UFOs, overall, is a very sensible place to start.) MIB

Here is the video of the moose. IMG_2661.mov

Yes. But that still doesn’t explain why one isn’t stuffed in a museum. One year is plenty of time for a specimen to be collected by science.

The paranormal woo aspect is quite disappointing. It is my opinion that these are excuses for no proof of the creatures existence. Better time could be spent procuring a body on a slab instead of being explained by Science fiction. This only makes the case that the creatures probably don't exist in any form. Ufos by definition are certainly real. Are they manned by extraterrestrials,probably not.

Here is a video chronicling our investigation into an area that we recently located using report data and terrain analysis. There is some interesting stuff happening up there and we will be going back and monitoring the lower elevation edges throughout the winter.

Gigantor, thank you, especially when you helped me after I fell and was in ICU 11 nights, and 28 more in Rehab. You don't know how much you did. Norseman! Welcome to the helm! I know you will do a great, and grand job of guiding this bark through the choppy seas of Bigfootin.' Thank you for taking on the task. Regards, JHector

Radio receivers cannot detect sound. Sound is wave in the atmosphere, radio is an electromagnetic wave.