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"O Ye of Little Faith." We have the answers in our midst. Go back to the BFF 1.0 and review the analysis and discussions about Patty's proportions, including calculations, related to that. I am fortunate to have followed them daily, in real time, watching issue after issue unfold and then be addressed with calculations. It was a true pleasure. I believe Gigantofootecus first posted his observations about Patty's proportions in November 2005. He used photogrammetric calculations to arrive at his conclusions. Anyone claiming PGF is a hoax has to get past those calculations--good luck, you better brush up on cosecant-squared theta, you'll definitely need it. Absolutely fascinating work to formulate his conclusions. Then came Bill Munns with his detailed treatise which methodically examined every aspect of Patty's body in the PGF from head to toe. He left no stone unturned with his stunning and detailed work viewed from the perspective of an expert in filming and suit construction. There probably is no one who knows more about the PGF than he. Then, SwetiYeti painstakingly presented his elbow/arm proportion analysis. It's all there for everyone to view. There is no new video that can undo the spectacular work nor refute the conclusions heretofore by BFF members with respect to the PGF, in my opinion.

It’s the Philip Morris - Bob H. Recreation from 20 years ago. It’s an abomination. Again, it’s not that Roger was a con man. He was. It’s not that Bob G. gets dates wrong or facts wrong from 60 years ago. He does. The 800 lbs Gorilla in the room is Patty walking across that creek bed. Which 20 years ago they failed spectacularly to recreate.🤷‍♂️

Depends on her mood I suppose lol. I'm currently typing this one handed after testing the theory with my wife 😂.

Getting my overlanding/exploring rig more capable. While not nearly as awesome or capable as Norseman's Ram, it can go on some roads that stock pickups might not be able to. Just a leveling kit with 37s, a 13.5k winch, and beefy bumper.

Reviews of YouTube reviews. That's what's being discussed here. It is truly a strange world that we live in.

Because we know film site? And it was massively studied? We have a darn good idea of how big Patty was. Jim McClarin is 6 foot 6 inches tall.

Here is the PGF section link: For newer members, Kit was a long time and strongly anti-PGF skeptic on here some time back. His postings can still be found in the PGF section if anyone is interested in his comments. I saw those comments a few days ago when all of this broke. I guess he is still around... Welcome back SW! Supposedly, Bill Munns has seen it, but I do not know that to be a fact. I am very interested in his opinion of this.

I don't know. I will likely gut the entire rear box and build it up from there. But that will take a ton of time. And I don't have a shop. First steps will be to do maintenance on the rig and do some minor corrosion repair on the aluminum. Going to buff and wax the exterior, detail the interior, and sell the Stryker system. Once I get the rig cleaned up and repair all the little things, then I will evaluate it's retail value vs. cost/time of converting it to a class C motorhome. I'm also planning on building an RV pad and snow shed, along with a smaller shop, on some property in Idaho. I may want to just focus on that project since this summer is going to be hell in the Idaho mountains due to the low snowpack and winter that never came. The camping season is going to be about a month or so before they shut down the woods and ban campfires due to extreme fire danger. But there are some amazing ambulance conversions out there!

I am not a huge fan of Money maker. But I think he is right, it comes down to the suit. And as I said before we shall see if it stacks up.

This is a really fascinating video, thanks so much for posting! It's kinda nitpicking, but I think it's an important point that it's not really a 'debate' as no one is trying to 'win' or score cheap points, it's very much a discourse and that is so much more productive. I feel like a lot of these discussions turn into debates where people compete against each other to try and 'win' the argument and at the end of the day everyone loses. For full disclosure, I am sceptical by nature. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in ghosts and I don't believe aliens have visited earth. On the topic of bigfoot or sasquatch I'm very much torn as when I see the 'Patty' film it just looks real and genuine to me. That looks like a massive, weighty, bipedal ape that is definitely not a human in a suit and moves with a real looking cadence. However, there are so many questions surrounding other evidence sources such as testimony, hair samples, lack of body, lack of better definition visual record etc. As I said, I'm actually really torn on this subject as it's a bit of a Occam's razor to me: Is it simpler for me to explain away the lack of a cadaver, lack of fossil record, lack of good visual record or is it easier for me to explain away the 'Patty' film which I think looks very much real. I just can't explain away the film, I've tried to rationalise it and have read Mr. Munn's fascinating book and I can see no way realistically in 1967 that a couple of Cowboys pulled that off as a hoax, I think they filmed a real live animal there but that brings up just so many questions....................

It’s 2026 and people are still desperately trying to discredit the film. So far all attempts have failed as none of them address the issues that exist with replicating the film subject with 1960’s costume technology.

Such surely brings into question any conclusions our new member draws.

I volunteer to perform a blindfolded feel test on any purported Patty "suit" and live female test subject.

Interesting, as even Kitakaze is suggesting it's the Ahtanum Valley footage, which is discussed I believe in Greg Long's book, so it seems Joshua is at odds with Marq Evans on this. Okay - the breast thing is a bit suspicious, but we can't tell until we see those boobs.

Lots of good channels. I particularly like Studying Sasquatch, Hellbent Holler, and Small Town Monsters.

Got the emergency lights hooked up. Neighbor kids love them, lol.

Moose stand 7 to 8 feet tall at the shoulder, are 9 to 10 feet long, weigh 1,200 to 1,800 pounds and where there is a high concentration of them, there are still large amounts of ripe growth available to them and other animals. They run up to 35 miles per hour. Brown bears are 4 to 5 feet tall at the shoulder and 8 to 10 feet tall when standing on their hind legs. They weigh up to 1,500 pounds and can run 35 miles per hour and can kill many moose, caribou, elk and deer in a year. So, I don't find those descriptions of sasquatches ridiculously far fetched, just somewhat exaggerated due to witness perception.

I'm partial to Cabin in the Woods. And a close second is Hellbent Holler.

If you're referring to a short clip of Bob Gimlin speaking to the X creatures TV show, you can see it in writing (and in the show itself) here at the Forums. Just go to There is a transcript of the show which you can review if you want to skip to Bob Gimlin's purported "confession."

At the end of the day though, proportions, analysis, and other units of measurements or what not to determine if the PGF is authentic doesn't mean anything. It's just a bunch of guys doing the best they can to come up with compelling arguments as to why it authentic. I was actually kinda happy Bob Gymlan (the BiGFo0T content creator on youtube) took a shot at thinkerthunker because of thinkerthunkers methods of analysis using horizonal lines and stuff to measure proportions. Which is fine, but youtube videos analysis doesnt prove the PGF is real nor does anyone else's methods. They're just compelling arguments and thats all they are. I dont know who it was but someone claimed Patty was 7'4" at least. NO ONE knows how tall Patty is/was.

NVM

So I am able to collect hairs from them on a pretty repeatable basis over time, and am interested in starting a routine of getting these hairs I collect collected in the best way possible and also getting them tested(of course). I can likely fund the effort myself. I work a lot, this is a very busy time for me, but would like to get this effort rolling. Anyone that has some pointers on how to proceed can PM me or preferably just reply here.

So I’ve been a “researcher/experiencer” since 2008, and had my first sighting late 2013/early 2014. So far I’ve had three up close sightings, tons of audio(and have some audio too!), tonnnnns of gifting experience etc. I love interacting with the Bigfoot. I have a method of leaving laminated pictures out for them in the spots I go to and have found it’s a fantastic way to collect hair from them as it sticks to the pictures, I currently have some from a year or so ago from a few different states and am very interested in starting a routine of collecting hairs and testing them. I can probably fund it all myself, and would love some pointers and direction on how to go about collecting the hairs in the best manner possible and the whole process of getting them tested!

The only thing that's been proven in this thread is that you are a fool.

Oops. A re-check of Eric Hairy Man's commentary says 'square circle' . No mention of ++ . That means it was 1965. If its triangle circle its 1966.

Hairymanroad, a YouTuber, went to SXSW to watch the second screening. Based off of his, and one other individual who went to a screening from the BF community the 40sec of 1966 film, in the words of Jeff Meldrum, "looked like a test run". Then goes on to describe how "it was "patty" but slightly different, a different guy in the suit. The lines were all the same." It's not looking great guys. Steenberg, and small handful of others, seem to have been told the same message from Meldrum starting in April of 25. "Something big is coming in relation to the PG-film". I want to see the film too, they are shopping around for a market release but according to the director they have two more film festivals to attend before anything like that will happen.

Seeing is believing I guess, I will withhold judgement til I see it.

Mentions methods that could conceivably add perceived muscle movement to suits, yet fails to demonstrate any such effects on the various suits that have been put forth, over the years. None of those proposed suits have even approached the biological movements seen in the PGF. I predict the Capturing Bigfoot expose will be less than satisfying.

I am not killing the messenger. You were cherry picking some “gotcha moment” Rogan video short against Meldrum. Which is a crock. It doesn’t even remotely represent what Meldrum said in the full interview let alone years of conferences and his BOOK!? Really? Have you read it? So hence forth I will be scrutinizing you based on this slanderous event you perpetrated on this forum. Sorry.

Meldrum was just repeating Joe’s line where he explores what he thinks is a possibility. The only arguments presented here by skeptics are that people close to Patterson claim it’s a hoax. Meanwhile Patty herself has characteristics that aren’t repeatable with costumes.

Kind of like Meldrum’s “confession”??? Give me a break.

Well, yeah - but Rogan also thought that Bob H walked identical to Patty based on nothing more scientific than the eye test, so I'll reserve judgement.

from the *EDIT* Director of the film.

I don't know who Bart is, nor do I care, but his YT video revelation is a complete swing and miss. ::eye roll::

Allegedly in the film there is a "rehearsal" of sorts. those who have seen the footage cant tell if it was part of the original movie Roger was going to make or actually a rehearsal for bluff creek. It is supposed to start streaming this Thursday, time will tell.

If they have located footage that Roger took of a person in a suit walking through woods - then aside from it being a valuable find for the archives: a) we already knew a drama documentary was being made - this has always been known since the PGF was released - no change b) it would be entirely expected that there would need to be such footage to put in the drama documentary. It would be pretty difficult to do it without - no change c) if it is indeed the Ahtanum footage, as Kitakaze states in my comment above - it appears to match the timelines of the drame documentary footage, not the PGF - no change d) if it is the Harry Kemble memo footage (whether or not that is the same as the Ahtanum footage), then Harry's memo makes clear that this has no similarity with the PGF in terms of filming timeline, camera, lens, filmstock, style or processing - no change If there is no direct link to the PGF then they are merely selling us something we already have in a new shiny sensationalist wrapper. Given the rumours of the film maker and/or Clint Patterson pursuing people in their 80's and 90's - Pat Patterson and Bob Gimlin for confessions, it suggests no link and more than a hint of desperation to me.

I don't understand your concern about someone "gutting" the PGF. It stood the test of time here on BFF under an electron-microscope type analysis and it is entirely irrelevant who Patterson and Gimlin were personally. Go ahead and try to destroy their reputation. It doesn't change the fact that a video is out there every aspect of which has been analyzed here at BFF over the many years. In my opinion, anyone who wishes to claim the PGF was a hoax has to specifically disprove Gigantofootecus' ASH ratio calculations and Patty's forearm ratio. Not knowing those two issues intimately, much less at all, tells me everything I need to know about someone's ability to intelligently discuss the PGF. Moreover, have they read Bill's Munn's works, which, in my opinion, are a veritable treatise on the PGF, or even know who he is? There are many people who have opinions about a lot of things they possess little or no knowledge. Let them come here and debate both critical, and tangential, issues of the PGF itself.

There are people on Reddit claiming that the documentary disproves the film, and that because of it they no longer believe in the existence of Bigfoot

I just came across this BFRO report: https://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_report.asp?id=79845 Short story shorter: 3 witnesses reported seeing a Bigfoot in Oklahoma walking off a powerline easement from more than 1,500 feet away. I'm not a field researcher but 1,500 feet away, across a river, windy conditions, late afternoon, and down a powerline cut area do not seem like good conditions for clear observation. Any researchers on here who are comfortable with BFRO referring to this as a "Triple A" sighting? If so, why? I'm not challenging what the witnesses reported seeing. I just think from an evidence perspective that a Class A designation is a bit ambitious.

Okay, I was wondering why you were bidding on an old ambulance!! Thank you for explaining that right up front. Your conversion sounds amazing; hope to see pictures of it.

Just got back from a 3200-mile road trip from Washington to the AZ/Mexico border and back. I won an auction for a 2009 IH ambulance in Marysville, WA so had to take a sidetrack to there and pick it up. Plan is to convert it into an RV for exploring the Idaho woods. I would have loved to find one in 4x4, but realized most of my weekend trips didn't really need 4wd. The new rig is very beefy and not in too bad of shape. Going to strip the interior and build a log cabin-themed interior complete with little wood stove.

Thanks for the info. I haven't delved into it, but I have one question, if anyone knows an answer: Is Kitikaze (old BFF skeptic) involved with the latest attempt to disprove PGF?

I already know Roger was a con man. And I am very well acquainted to the dusty old bars filled full of Cowboys. The pranks, the cheats and the shenanigans. I was one of them. Albeit a generation behind. For me? The smoking gun would have to be an explanation for Patty herself. I will leave it here. Maybe it will draw more attention that way. 👍

In my opinion, the gears have shifted, the VAST majority of folks in the "community" are no longer interested in finding answers, they are here for the pop culture phenomena that is "bigfoot". For that reason, forums full of information and data points are of little interest when youtube other social platforms are spoon feeding them. these kinds of spaces are for the dedicated at this point. what they are dedicated to is another question lol. finding answers? their skepticism ? their belief? I've dropped back over the last 2 years myself due to other projects and other research opportunities that yield quantifiable data. Those other fields feel far more rewarding because i can actually "bring it home" so to speak. as mentioned by @Scratchy pushing it on a subreddit may help boost registration and activity over here.

Sasquatch Theory and Half Inch Wrecking Crew. Oh, and Outlaw Country.

We are working on that currently.

Looks really capable. Are those running boards, or rock sliders under the door sills? My H3 came with what looked like sliders, but were really only cosmetic, as I managed to crush one on the first trail I drove the day after I bought it.

That poster was my friend Bill Miller, who unfortunately passed away 6 or 7 years ago. That test was done on the shore of Harrison Lake, here in BC. He is sorely missed in our local research circle.

Extremely sad. First and foremost obviously for his family. He seemed a very genuine and likeable man. Secondly for the Bigfoot community, who've lost one of the most intelligent, erudite and respected believers. Thirdly, for the man himself, who sadly never got to see the object of his interest confirmed by the mainstream and never got to study Bigfoot as a proven species rather than a cryptid.

I have been watching forums die a slow death for years. I.e. The old jet boating forum Mean chicken is gone. Along with it all of its extensive knowledge. The younger crowd doesn’t do forums for some reason. They stick with social media. And then cry about censorship, etc. I just don’t get it. I find forums like these much easier to navigate and interact with.