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Here are some photos from the post above: Chilliwack Lake looking North e

While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.

No doubt, and despite the fact that nobody can definitively say what it is there’s still no shortage of people flippantly dismissing it as a bear because the idea that it could be something else is one they don’t want to deal with. Just like Patty is a guy in a suit, sure…..

I've noticed that at least some predators seem to avoid traveling the same path as their prey. On cameras where I get deer, elk and moose; the bears and cougar are mostly seen crossing rather than following the trail. Blue Mountains of Washington Cinnamon Bear crossing the game trail.

My oldest boy, Steve, called me earlier this week to see if I was heading out in the mountains this long weekend. He didn't have to twist my arm very hard to get a yes out of me. ;-) I picked him up at about noon, after my honey-do list was done, and we headed out to the north side of the Fraser River, east of Mission. We chose to go in a FSR that would bring us to a creek valley north of the one where we both had sightings about 45 years ago. The valley of our sightings has become very popular with the local 4x4 and ATV groups, and would be busy on a sunny Good Friday, hence the detour to the back side of those same mountains. Once we got to our chosen branch FSR, we had the place to ourselves, other than 1 truck headed out as we went in. The previous 3 nights had brought heavy rain via thunderstorms, so the road was a little slick, and coated the Hummer with a nice tan coat of mud, rubbing off on our pant legs every time we got in or out of the truck, and washing away any hopes of seeing tracks. Not only were no tracks spotted, no animals were seen all day, either. Every branch trail that we attempted off the main one ended in washout, mudslides, or deadfall, and in 1 case, all 3 in the same spot! By 6 PM we called it a day, and turned around for the 1 hour run back to pavement on the washboard gravel FSR main. I was blessed to be able to get out in the hills with each of my sons on subsequent weekends, It felt like our outings when they were both still teens.

Yes, I've been "zapped". Don't know if it was infrasound or not. All I know is that one minute I was knocking or whistling with something in the woods late at night and the next minute, I was filled with terror and locked myself in my minivan crying on the floor. A few minutes later, it was like a switch turned off, I felt completely fine, and I opened the door and continued knocking or whistling. (This happened on one of two nights, same place, same time at night and I no longer remember which is which, in 2012).

I think you overestimate their fear of guns. It's not the gun, it's the person holding it. SCARED people with guns are dangerous, unpredictable, volatile. Calm, confident people with guns are just calm, confident people .. not a threat. It's the fear that turns the gun into a hazard. Humans telegraph fear quite loudly in our posture, motions, and so on. I've had a couple of sightings, camp visits at night, been punked / messed with .. and every time, minus one, I had a gun, often a hunting rifle slung over my shoulder, not something hidden. It ain't about the gun, it's about the human.

The only keyboard warrior is you.

Lowkee, zendog or who ever you are, once you start calling people uncreative names like simpletons, your age and IQ, which is very low, begin to show through. You should take some time to grow up or go troll somewhere else. You are not well versed in the art of trolling. And so far yours is zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/us/monkeys-truck-crash-pennsylvania.html

"Brush Apes" weren't really different from Sasquatch as far as I remember the stores. However, a friend of my step-father's was on a baseball team in the 1940s which was called the Brush Apes. So it's not a new term. Certainly predates Momo in my recollections. My Samurai Chatter experience bothered me because it lasted for such a long time and on consecutive nights. On the first night I went to sleep after listening for a full hour. Just seemed odd to me that it lasted so long. Later, Mike Jay (over 30 years chasing bigfoot) assured me this was not nearly as unusual as I had thought. Still, I was raised in Missouri so I probably must see it to believe it.

There is no way you can prove it is a bear. Your testimony is as irrelevant to the conversation as anyone else's. You made the statement that it is a bear. A statement you can not back up with anything other than anecdotal evidence.

Those are some pretty horse, and nice pictures.... They don't mean diddly. Too many old timers here do this. Rather than evidence to back their position, look at all this evidence of what a big bad outsdoors guy I am, so I must be right. Its not a sasquatch, it never was. Its a bear at a bear feeding station, in an odd pose, doing bear stuff.

Black Jack and Joker at the ranch Scout and Joker at the snow peak cabin doing work for the USFS Steven, Jasper, Red and Scout at ranch Red at ranch Big Red, Mary Lou and Benny in the Frank Church wilderness, Idaho

An old packer trick is to rub Vicks vapor rub in their nose. I didn’t have any with me so I tied my fleece jacket around her neck that had my sweat on it. Its mainly just time under pack saddle. Another thing that helps young mules is to mix them with old mules. The old mules will teach them with bites or kicks if they get out of line. I had a lead mule that would lift her leg going down the trail if a young mule tried to pass her. If the youngin did not take the hint? They got kicked in the chin. She was the best mule I ever owned. Bought her from the Busted Ass ranch sale in Arlee, Montana. Paid 1500 bucks for her in 96. Everyone laughed at me until it was time to throw elk quarters on and they are having a goat rodeo and my 2 mules are standing in the gut pile ears forward…… they came right off an outfitter pack string. She trained many of the young mules going forward. Suspension bridges, deer, elk, bear, high line etiquette, going down the trail. I shot her with my .44 mag when she was blind and failing in the fall one year. She would not have made it through another winter. I bawled like a baby. Hardest thing I have ever done. She was in her 30s. Her name was Mary Lou.

Guess which one didn't listen to advice and looked at the sun, today.

Lots of great info and resources here as usual. The subject hasn't gotten stagnant to me personally, however I am bored of a lot of the "production" efforts. There's only one group (small town monsters) currently turning out good content on bigfoot and it's because there's little to no fluff for viewers. You get the story then make up your own mind. As for research I kinda stopped watching every one else except the OP, Darby Orcutt, and the kid from the UK with the old world primate DNA showing up. Kinda got me out of the mindset of keeping up with the Joneses on hardware and technology and just sticking to doing what I do best, and that's tracking and ecology studies. I just go out, enjoy the wilderness, take pics, and conduct the occasional survey or official study. If your close to WV I'm open for any of y'all to come out with me anytime. I've got some updating to do over on the southern WV/ Wineberry thread. Good topic

I'm still not sure on these photos. I'm now 80% sick, mangy bear and 20% "no clue".

For whatever reason we can say they don't seem to be having an effect since they are not attracting them. If they are, they are not doing so in a way that results in people getting them on camera or having a reported sighting using them as bait. I like the idea of some scent as bait. Certain animals go into heat. That is a strategy that could be assumed to work for some animals. We all know in people (and some animals) the smell of food or cooking seems to work. We all have heard in science class how wolves came closer smell of food cooking on the fire and became domesticated dogs for the cavemen. What attracts a bigfoot? I don't know if apes are attracted to 'smells' be it pheromones or McDonalds in the garbage bin. We could assume Bigfoot might be more likely to be attracted to what we might be or at least what attracts a Gorilla, but we can't really know. Just guess. All things need to eat sleep mate and so on. Using a smell in a smart way - assuming we know the smell- seems like a reasonable idea. The trick will be to 1) get the right smell 2) have it close enough to enough subjects to lure at least one in. 3) have a camera ready and able when the animal arrives. I remember a Bigfoot show on TV where the person played a set of drums in the woods hoping to make bigfoot 'curious' Not the worst idea. My take would be food attracts people and other animals. Even if I eat, I still notice my stomach rumbles when the neighbor is cooking on the grill or popping popcorn. At the end of the day Dr. Hannible Lecter sums it up well in Silence of the Lambs: Hannibal Lecter: "First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? In this way, if we could know what Bigfoot likes and provide it to him/her we might have a chance. Clearly what we are doing isn't working or is not working well enough to accomplish a home run encounter.

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I found this out when my wife, grandson, his wife, and daughter who lived with me were always angry when we sat in the living room. I discovered that our unused ceiling fan motor was not operating the fan, but was on and grinding at a nearly undetectable in audio. I turned it off and we all just relaxed and the living room became a relaxing area once again.

It is not a Sasquatch. Again, the camera had a factory setting of one image every 30 seconds. 30 seconds is a lot time for an animal to enter and leave a bait station. That format can be limiting for ID and locomotion observations. It was cost effective to monitor for deer, bear, turkey or ground hogs. An image does show that the target did not have an elongated Calcaneus at the heel = not a Sasquatch. I have had a lot bear images: walking forwards, walking backwards, doing a spin and turn move to change directions, walking on a log etc. I deleted most of them. It is a blobsquatch to be fodder for social media. At the end of the day, there is an expression that works: " I don't know". 'I don't know' is a good answer. For those of you who want to burn more time, find out if Mr. Jacobs sold his Bushnell camera on ebay and bought a Reconyx brand camera. That time period would probably be an RM45, RC55 or an old Silent Image. Carry on.

There were two images and it was tiny. There are no other clear images of a youngster.

I wouldn’t call that blurry for a nighttime 2007 Game Camera photo? Any photo gets pixilated when you zoom in to look for pimples.

That's one heckuva black kettle.

So my wife and I went to the "Sensing Sasquatch" exhibit today at the High Desert Museum near Bend,Oregon. It wasn't much but it showed the spiritual side of it from several Native views. Featured Native artists had quotes near their work, and this one struck me. Honestly, how foolish am I for never considering that anyone... besides the feds...would actively seek to destroy evidence to protect the species? I guess i was so blinded by my notion that most everyone...besides the feds... actually would like the existence of these creatures proven. Thoughts?

Very poor. The guy has 8 subscribers, one video and the video is 5 years old. Never run a film camera without film! The film pressure plate can be seen. Frame rate is unknown and sounds faster than 24fps. Gain on recording is unknown. With the lens in place, noise would be attenuated. The unit could use a good cleaning and lubrication. The sound from my K-100's is pleasant.

are you okay? I encourage you to find someone to talk to as you seem completely unhinged.

And there it is as suspected. Why are you posting on this thread?

Let's pretend we have a magic scent for attracting Bigfoot. Pick any scent you wish: Food, cooked food, animal hormones, and so on. Further, assume the scent has a bit of a carrying effect. That is, if the scent is attracting effectively, we might assume each hanging sample may draw Bigfoot from several feet away to 100 yards of more away. It probably isn't reasonable to assume miles away but I'm open to the fact it could be miles. Just like trial cams the distribution has to be dense enough to catch bigfoot in its orbit. Trail cams might be limited by the line of sight which might be a short distance only. A scent can travel far so long as it is fresh. That's a clear advantage over trail cams. Yet don't you then need a trail cam for every scent in order to catch bigfoot in the first place? I would say one might need a massive amount of hanging Bigfoot Candy in trees to 'catch' a traveling bigfoot. Those numbers are probably going to need to be high and spread out over a very big area. If you had 100 of these and spread them over Roger and Bob's Bluff Creek/ National Forrest are 100 really going to cover more than a couple miles at best? I love the idea, but the numbers need to be massive even in a bigfoot 'hot spot' assuming one even knows such a hot spot is a hot spot. 1) We don't know the magic scent 2) If we did the scent, it may have a short shelf life like milk going bad after a bit. 3) We probably need a lot of these and the manpower to distribute them 4) Need to go to a target rich environment where Bigfoot is thought to be/recent tracs.

Nobody said it’s teaming but there’s definitely been some hairy primates running wild in Pennsylvania. In the very least Pennsylvania State Police had 4 bodies. Some folks have witnessed these and other creatures.

There were 4 cynomolgus monkeys running wild in Montour County, about 150 miles northwest of Philadelphia, the State Police killed them.

This photo is 100% Primate running wild in Pennsylvania during winter!

Bug-a-bags for catching Japanese Beetles (Junebugs) work amazingly well, and you dump out the bugs once a day into your chicken coop for a treat for the girls, and see a hundred beetles fall into the coop. It does make sense that smells can attract an animal, even a smart one, in the woods for quite a distance. This has been field tested many times, and some studies have looked into primate preferences. Offer a chimp a bowl of raw meat and a bowl of cooked meat, they often take the cooked meat first. doi:10.1016/j.jhevol.2008.03.003 (duke.edu) Think how much better it smells when a neighbor cooks burgers on the grill, than when you do yourself. And you can smell them from a block away. Cooking your own burgers while camping, that scent is travelling for miles, potentially, at levels that a dog can pick up. While we know nothing about the brain of this animal, how large their olfactory centers are, or how sensitive their noses are, you can smell food at a significantly further distance than you can smell uncooked food or blood I'll bet. And I'll bet, being a primate of some sort, they are attracted to the smell of cooking meat. On top of that, those scents burn pathways in our brains, allowing us to recall memories we thought we forgotten. Study suggests that exposure to different smells could help improve memory : NPR As to what would work? Who knows. Nothing works consistently, I guess, or we would see one at every picnic. A Gift of a cooked burger placed downwind outside of camp seems like a great place to start but a great place to attract the attention of bears, racoons, and about a hundred other species which may land you in real danger. Also, I saw a documentary about the subject of human pheromones once, and it didn't work out for the protagonist... "Perfume" it was called. That guy knew scents.

I don't know if it is desperation as much as branching out to get more dollars flowing into the coffers to do more research. But I do agree every video seems to be more of the same. And I realize one realistically can not expect them to get footage of a Squatch all the time... and maybe, not even once. But if you can't put out a video that has any decent evidence such as quality tracks, sightings, howls, etc...then don't put a video out there until you can. I don't need drone shots of treetops and "amusing" montages of breakfast being fixed or slo-mo walks along the trail. We need substance. Quality not quantity.

I've seen that mug! My only point is that their content is a little monotonous after watching all of their sasquatch related content for years. That said, I am looking forward to their next installment haha

Hello to the administrator and all members of this very interesting forum. I just moved to Oregon this past year and have visited Mt. Hood National Forest and hiking about a few times. It seems I’ve had a strong interest in Sasquatch and it’s hominid cousins since I was a kid. I studied Anthropology in college and became fascinated with human evolution and related paleontology material. Gigantopithecus got my attention, as some schools of thought believe that Bigfoot is a biological descendant of these largest beings of the ape family. The subject of Sasquatch fits right in within the historical journeys of our early ancestors and related homonoids out of Africa.

On Sunday, March24th, I spent the day with my son Rick exploring the creek valleys to the east of Chilliwack Lake, just north of the Canada/US border. This area is only accessible from the Canadian side, as the FSR ends a km or so short of the line, and no roads extend north into the area from the US side. We first ventured up the Paleface Creek valley on the old decommissioned FSR, up to the point where the snow pack halted progress in the H3. We spotted the first fresh bear scat of this year on the way, and one scrawny looking grouse, but not much else of interest. Skunk cabbage is blooming in the area, which is often the first food for bears in the spring. We then continued south on the main FSR to the Depot Greek valley, which also has been decommissioned, with lots of deep water bars, almost at the limit of what my H3 can handle. In this valley, there was no snow until the very end of the road, which is about 500 meters from the border, according to Gaia Maps. The scenery in this valley is great, so we took a few pictures, and scouted around for tracks. We found lots of deer prints, and some large canine ones as well, which might have been someone's dog trotting around. It was getting late , so we backtracked along the shore of Chilliwack Lake to pavement at the north end of the lake, where we stopped to air the tires back up for the hour ride back home, as the sun set on a great day out in nature.

On what grounds would you charge a motorist whose vehicle struck and killed a dodo, or passenger pigeon, or Carolina parakeet?

Yes, trail camera type images and nothing to write home about. I was watched from a distance beyond the range of the PIR as I checked a trail camera. Furball was hiding behind a big log.

I wonder how long Dogman has even been a thing. Personally I’ve always thought it was most likely a misidentification of BF, details can get confused when people are freaked out. The book this came from was published in the 1840’s, I was surprised to see it. It’s a nonfiction collection of stories/writings, this story definitely seemed out of character, I guess the author believed it to be true. I’m thinking it was originally in French.

Interesting thread full of good points. The wilderness is enjoyable and the last day in the woods is the worst day in the woods, hopefully there's always one more. You could spend a lifetime in the woods and never hear or see anything out of the ordinary. You could stumble from your back door too your garbage cans and spot a bigfoot in your yard. I don't think there's a way to improve the odds other than to be out there, enjoying the fresh air. As far as new innovation in the subject, and as much as he's a self aggrandizing showboater, "thinker thunker" promoting body proportion measurement of old photos and videos certainly sheds new light on old evidence. I've heard skepticism over his technique but it still holds true. Go grab a bunch of photos and measure relative length of arms, legs and torso and see what appears.

Sasquatch does find you, no question about it, but you have to put yourself in a spot for that opportunity to occur. E. 42nd St and Park Ave (Grand Central Station) won't produce the desired results. I would say deep woods aren't a necessity but being in areas that have access to wilderness isn't a bad idea. Those who endeavor to go sasquatching will eventually get frustrated unless being in the woods itself is the fun part. Knowing wilderness survival, and practicing it, along with wilderness navigation techniques help to reduce concerns about getting injured or lost. Never too old to learn nor ever too busy to participate unless life's responsibilities or other more desirable activities tug harder at your coattails. Half the battle is just getting out there.

If you're in it for entertainment, but have an aversion to clickbait and other nonsense, you're at the current end of the road. The only alternatives I see are 1) to become one of those serious folks doing serious study (There's a requirement for serious patience / stubbornness in the face of apparent lack of progress there, too.) -or- 2) volunteer to assist some forum or other (hint hint wink wink) with administrative duties (this doesn't fix the problem, but allows you to continue participating while acknowledging the current lack of motion). IMHO of course. MIB

If Patty is real? Then there is/was a population out there that produced her. There are many places that have been nuked by humanity. I.e. Puget Sound. But there are many places left untouched as well that give me hope. Time will tell. Lots of things are changing in American archeology as well for the better. The 12000 year old Clovis first theory is now officially dead.

Welcome unlikely knot, Wend, Coyote138, and Alvan. Welcome Drwinter; I hope you had a good time at the Honobia Bigfoot Festival.

Here are some interesting impressions, and all along this lil spring fed creek, shown at the source in pic 1.....it will have water even in late summer, so it's on every critters radar. The next 2 pics were coming out of the creek area and up an incline, so only the front portion of print made contact with the ground, with push-off material on the downside of both. The next pic were some interesting over lapping impressions, Hairyman prints don't always have to be big, if that's what they are:)

Just like swamp gas or Venus on the horizon when people have witnesses a UFO. It’s the safe explanation. Even when our eyes and logic tell us different.

Again, I'll add one more time. Marx faked a movie of the alleged "cripple foot" Bigfoot AFTER the trackway in snow was found. Bryne busted it wide open when some local kids showed him where the film site was. He was able to measure a tree the film subject walked under. The film subject ended being Marx's wife. All of about 5'3" tall..... The tracks though have never been connected to the hoaxed film. They crossed a barb wire fence twice. And slide down a giant embankment to the Columbia river. There was hundreds of tracks associated with the trackway in snow. I like tracks in snow.... much tougher to fake. You cant just walk along and stamp out a track way. Without leaving your human trackway beside it. About 5 years ago I was across the river from Bossburg on Bangs mountain on a FS road. I came across a trackway on the edge of the road. But as I followed it? It became apparant that a snowshoer was walking and then a snowmobile came along and obliterated all of the right foot tracks. Leaving a large oblong footprint with about a 4 ft stride. Now if you found that track in snow deep in the forest? With NO other tracks around? Game on.