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So far, what are our possible explanations as to how they can sense and avoid ir cams: 1) They can see the ir illumination. However, apes (and mammals in general) cannot see in the ir range due to their body heat. 2) They can smell either the cameras or batteries. Primates, however, have a less developed sense of smell as a trade off to heightened Visio and sense of touch. 3) They can hear the camera itself. However again, primates hear in the same range as humans…maybe slightly higher on some cases. 4) They are so in tune with their immediate environment that they can instantly recognize something out of the ordinary and instinctively avoid it. This seems to run counter to the claims that these creatures are exceedingly inquisitive and curious. They can’t resist checking out humans at a campfire, but know to avoid the small box on a tree? That curiosity would eventually result in one with exceptionally poor decision making skills being captured peeking at the strange new box on a tree… 5) They can sense the emf emissions from the camera. There has been some discussion over whether deer can sense the electromagnetism given off by hunters. I am looking to see if any claims of this emf detection has been documented in monkeys or other primates, but haven’t seen anything so far. Camera traps are kind of in the same category as road crossings for me. These things need to maintain a 100% success rate…year after year. It seems impossible, but they do. This doesn’t sound like an ape to me. But, if it is closer to man with man’s intelligence… then where is the tool use? The fire use? There isn’t one ‘rebel’ that makes an attempt to break the taboo and communicate with the hairless ones? At this point you are talking about a creature that has a wide array of super senses (far beyond what any other creature on earth possesses), intelligence somewhat equal to a man but without man’s tool use, and an almost hive mind that allows these intelligent beings to remain in complete lockstep 100% of the time concerning their interaction with humans. Couple this with the physical gifts that they possess...strength, speed, agility, stealth. And now throw in the proposed ability to use emf in ways that the rest of animal kingdom lacks… We are dealing with something so far outside of what the rest of the animal kingdom is capable of, that it’s a surprise that these things didn’t just predate early man into extinction. We are missing something major here. None of this makes sense.

Regardless of any scandalous admissions, by anybody, the empirical evidence in the PGF validates the conclusion it was a real spontaneous filming event of a real biological entity, not a filmed hoax of a man in a fur costume. Any claim, any recollection, any admission about the events of and surrounding the PGF must be tested against the film evidence, and cannot change the facts captured on the film images. Any testimony must be evaluated with consideration for a motive to lie, or a failed memory mis-representing the true events. I personally think that when people talk of (or hint at or suggest) some pending revelation will change or discredit the PGF, they are just indulging in wishful thinking. No harm in doing so, but that's what it is, nothing more.

Today at my work, a young kid (about 6 or so) saw my Bigfoot figure and started asking me a bit about it as he too liked Squatchy stuff. We made small talk and I mentioned I was glad I wasn't Bigfoot today as I would be hot under all that hair. He told me they were going to the lake to play in the water and he was going to watch for Bigfoot because he probably liked to play in the water too to cool off...just like his dog in the his backyard wading pool. It tickled me a youngster was even thinking about it. Nope...not a hot topic (no pun intended). But just something sort of amusing today and you know...he is probably right.

Or, let him post here free of demands.

Date & Time - Saturday, July 25, 2021 from 11am to 530pm Location - Diamond Peak Wilderness, Oregon Cascades Weather - 80's, slight breeze, some smoke from distant fires, sunshine What Happened- NorthWind and I went to check out a site. Last week while hiking, we spoke with two campers who had something making unidentifiable noises around their tent after tossing boulders down the mountain side. So we hiked four miles in to the further, upper lake to see for ourselves. We found everything just as they said, and could see the potential. We both felt uneasy, like we were being watched, a couple of times. But, it was mostly just an absolutely gorgeous place to eat lunch and lounge lakeside for a few houres. I'm pretty dang proud of myself for doing an eight mile hike, the longest to date. A year ago, I was diagnosed with breast cancer and wondered if I'd be here this year! So, while we found nothing of note (except two great future camp sites), it was a good day in the woods. We hiked in behind that distant mountain! You can see the boulders beyond me, across the lake. One of the campsites, the one the campers used and heard the sounds. A great creek at the halfway, fill your water bottle, point.

If we are up against the forces you seem to imagine, and they have decided discovery isn't going to happen, then discovery isn't going to happen. You have to hope they're not quite that organized and detailed otherwise the game is already over before it starts. Realize something: this is a public forum. Every single thing you put on here is available to everyone to read. EVERYONE. Including those hypothetical people out there who are trying to thwart your efforts. By putting your plans, or asking others to put their plans, on here on the forum you're setting people up to fail because when those plans hit the public internet .. like here .. it gives "them" time to anticipate your moves, prepare for them, and defeat you without you ever knowing there was a fight. If you truly believe all this stuff, and you still want to prove existence, the first thing you have to do is keep your big mouth shut rather than tip your hand giving "the enemy" all of the advantage and you none. This is why I wonder sometimes if you're not part of the conspiracy to keep bigfoot secret 'cause you keep nudging people in ways that lead them to spill their plans. That means you're part of the mechanism that lets "them" stay a couple moves ahead of the researchers .. intentional or otherwise. Think about it. It's a chess game. You don't win by giving your opponent your strategy before the game starts. MIB

LOL! Not exactly. I am busy preparing myself to move out of state for an Archaeology PhD Program that I have been admitted into. Consequently, I have not had much time to post. But never fear! Fall Break is right around the corner! And the forum's favorite flesh and blood advocate will be back in full force!

Dr. J. Robert Alley is a Anthropologist, renowned author, and Sasquatch researcher who gave his presentation at the Metaline Falls Town Hall Meeting of the evidence of BigFoot in Northwest Native Cultures, including testimonies of sightings of Sasquatch both by Native Tribes and his own personal experiences. The event was held on March 7, 2020 at the Cutter Theatre in Metaline Falls, Washington by Extreme Exhibitions Northwest LLC. as a evidence gathering prelude to explorations looking for BigFoot in Pend Orielle County.

Found what I think is a print today with @Madison5716 in an area where we found one last fall.

Re-reading the opening post, I was curious about Russel Accord suggesting something suspicious that would only be released after Bob passes away. I did a 3 hours plus video interview with Bob (back in 2014 or so) and we went through everything, before, during and after the filming event. And there were not any suspicious or scandalous revelations from Bob. So if anybody releases some wild claims, I'll be happy to release the interview material I did and let Bob speak for the record as he spoke to me. That might deflate any person's efforts to use something Bob said as a wedge to push the PGF debate into a less credible territory. But an alternate idea is that maybe something was said that paints Roger in a less favorable light, and that wouldn't surprise me. I don't want to say Roger was a bad man, but his acquaintance with integrity might have been casual at best. But even if so, that still doesn't change the film itself, or the validity of the film based on what it shows. But, as comments above seem to suggest, this may just be another case of an opportunist trying to feed a fake or exaggerated story to people with interest in the PGF, for some ulterior motive. Wouldn't be the first time, and likely not the last either.

I guess my favorite would have to be my 1974 photo of the actual site where the Patterson film was shot. Although I had spent the month of May in 1972 at Bluff Creek, well actually Orleans but made the drive to the sandbar maybe 6 or 8 times. Really regret not taking notes but I was only 23 at the time and thought I knew a lot about the Bigfoot. Spent most of the month just looking at the whole Bluff Creek stream. Had thought Bigfoot Creek was where the film was taken. Late May a forest ranger told me about the sandbar. It was quite the adventure at the time and have no regrets at all about looking for Bigfoot. I do remember going to Al Hodgson's store and meeting him. He was very helpful and said he would have people there if I found anything. He also sold John Green's book at the time which I of course bought! After being there for that month without finding anything I thought I would call Roger Patterson himself and see if he could give me any advice. You can imagine how I felt when a lady answered and said he had passed away a short time before! After that I decided to end my trip. I later moved to Oregon in 1973 and worked there until 1979. Looking back I wouldn't change a thing! Also another thanks to Bill here on the forum for reversing my original photo and to Sweati Yeti for confirming that was indeed the site!

I happen to have an interest in all matters related to Jack The Ripper. Exactly who was the most famous mass murderer of all times? There is a forum where exceedingly knowledgable people post questions, or information, and others, similarly endowed, provide answers or opinions---much like here. Were I to go on the Ripper website and, right from the start, make claims that I had thousands of pages of Ripper documents and photographs, I would be met with a healthy bit of skepticism. Those claims are received much differently from someone who has presented himself/herself and has become known to those similarly-minded people on the forum. For those who may remember, in the 1980s there was an EF Hutton TV commercial telling folks they did it the old fashion way. They earned your trust. So it is with many aspects of life. In my opinion, the bigger the claim, the more responsibility one bears especially when you haven't introduced yourself to your fellow readers. Who doesn't wish to be courted before being asked?

Uh...You've shot down the credibility of the PGF, probably more investigated than Zapruder by now and 98% of the "database" and we're to take you at your word? As the end all, be all, self proclaimed, sole holder of the totality of Sasquatch wisdom? Come on man, that's no way to make an entrance. Ditch the bravado and hubris and try again. Show us what you have without putting nearly every other witness into the bin eh

I have thought about this over the years… I have mentioned this on here before, but an interest of mine is odd news articles that gain nationwide attention only to completely drop out of sight immediately afterwards. Remember the ‘mystery primate’ that was attacking children and pets in Texas? It was local, then regional, then national news in short order. Then, the story just disappeared. Even if the extremely short attention span of the national news moved on to something else, an aggressive mystery monkey would certainly remain of local interest. But, the story just disappears and the world moves on to the next strange story. My point is this… we never did find out if it was an escaped chimp or something else. We never found out if it was captured, killed, or it just disappeared. Was it a juvenile Sasquatch? We would never know if it was. Obviously, people’s attention had moved on to something new and no one ever seemed to ask how the situation was resolved. Someone could contact the press that they had a Sasquatch body. Alert their local university. And the government could swoop in with dead chimp, swap it out, say that it had escaped from a private owner only to be shot by some paranoid Bigfoot enthusiast, and the story would be accepted and forgotten… never be revisited except by some weirdos on the internet like us. They wouldn’t even have to try very hard. I don’t even think that they would have to threaten you or be worried about what you said afterwards. ‘See, Bigfoot is real. I shot one, but the government swept in, took the body, and left a dead chimp in its place.’ Who would believe your story?

Wow, just got back in and started to read some of this stuff. Look, it's your sandbox, I'm just a guest and will abide by the rules. But, looks like a few of the mean girls want to throw sand. I was going to add a bit more info but now, not sure I'll stick around for that kind of snark, but for the time being , will answer a few sincere questions. I have no problem shufflin' along and go dark if I'm going to be forced to trudge through attitudeville. BlackRockBigfoot: USFS Rangers normally go pretty light, with a sidearm, and bear spray. like I said earlier an assault type shotgun for bear protection and maybe an issued pocket camera. Not until now did I see them carrying large backpacks. I don't know what kind of camera they were using, but it looked awfully big and expensive (see my pocket camera comment). Will I contact the Forest Service? Absolutely not. About a year ago I approached their office, tried to be coy about my knowledge of the clan, I was trying to test if the USFS knew of the existence of such a creature. Was pretty much laughed out of their headquarters. Besides, I have a deep distrust for any and all govt. LEO types. gigantor: that is a very interesting chart but many of the depictions don't even come close. But, the pics that do, very uncanny accuracy. I will match up that list with the members of the clan - Alpha Male - #36 Adult Female - #12 Young Juvenile/Adult - #1 Very Young - #20

Stop it this thread is legit. It has bigfoot, government agents , short barrel shotguns, grizzly bears and a man who travels the woods all dressed in camo. Why you no believe

But...but...I don't want to go on vacation. I like this place. Oh wait! That wasn't me you were referring to...Never mind...forget what I said...

WOW!!!

Hearty congrats, WB. That puts you in league with our resident almost-anthropologist.

Okay, regardless of when or where the PGF camera original was processed, no possible scenario will change or invalidate the evidence within the film that supports a conclusion of authenticity. If the information found by a new review of the original grossly contridicted anything Roger or Bob said, it would indeed damage the credibility of the person, but the proof that the film is authentic is not dependent upon the credibility of either Roger or Bob. Have you ever played "Pickup Sticks' the old fashioned game where you take a bundle of long sticks and throw them into a pile on the floor, and then you try to remove one stick without disturbing the others. Well, in the same sense, removing Roger or Bob's personal credibility would not disturb the pile of evidence that the PGF is real.

My outing today was of the social variety, rather than research, but it was great to get out and be with other local researchers, after almost a year and a half of varying levels of restrictions on gatherings. We met at a small park in the mountains near Chilliwack, B.C. at about noon, and spent the whole afternoon enjoying good food and catching up on our efforts over the last year. The weather was perfect, with the heat wave moderating and the fire smoke easing for the day due to a refreshing breeze through the old cedars that shaded us. Besides myself, other BFF members there included MagniAesir, Grandcherokee, and Thomas Steenburg, as well as a few interested parties who are not on BFF. One of those is Darcy, who has been working on a full size Sasquatch sculpture in styrofoam, which got knocked over by a curious young lad of about 6 or 7, but only suffered minor damage.

Date & Time - Monday July 5 from 9pm-12 midnight. Weather - perfect 70°F, no wind Location- Oregon Cascades What Happened- NorthWind and I went out to the same location of our sighting last year on July 5, for the anniversary. We had 2 FLIR's, and we would search at random intervals, but neither of us ever saw even a hint of hairy giants. However, we got a half dozen "something in the salal forest" cracklings, and seven clear wood knocks. Three came wirhin 30 seconds of one another from ahead of us, to one side and behind us. The last 2 came when I'd packed up the truck, NorthWind got in and I snapped off the lantern (I cooked us cheeseburgers before we left); boom, immediately, 2 loud knocks from 2 sides. But we didn't see anything - not an owl, or deer or mouse. Nada. So, we may or may not have had action. We were fairly uncomfortable, but it was very, very dark, with only starlight (amazing!). It was dark, LOL!

This. This is a world of difference between saying “I saw something large and dark moving through the brush “ and giving a detailed account of how its face looked, its build, how it moved, etc. As far as those people who see Sasquatch behind every tree…it’s simple Bigfoot economics. The supply of real evidence and sightings does not meet the demand…therefore the supply is artificially inflated to meet that demand.

Apes have shoulders. Bears do not. If your not simply observing a flash of fur in the forest. But getting a good look at the animal? Anyone experienced shouldn’t have any difficulties distinguishing the two different species.

I don't really like calling them weapons because the word isn't descriptive enough. Anything from a fist to a stick to a rope to a chemical to a nuclear bomb can be a weapon, and pretty much everything in between. In the most basic definition of "gun", rifles, shotguns, and handguns are indeed lumped with cannons, artillery pieces, and anything else with a barrel which launches a projectile that doesn't move under its own power as "guns". I tend to call my rifles "rifles", my shotguns "shotguns", and my handguns "sidearms". Those terms are almost always understood accurately.

Went to Priest Lake friday. Anchored off of Eightmile island. Beautiful lake! Water was crystal clear and surface temp was 78 degrees. Got to try out my new Minelab. Found an old broken dock with lots of nails and bolts. Ring was a joke. Eventually found dimensional lumber at the bottom too. Didnt get rocks thrown at us from shore! Pretty quiet if biggie was trying to get cool. I threw the 460 Rowland in for good measure. BBQ tomahawk steaks that night for dinner. Some of the best I had ever eaten!

Maybe knot tying is elementary to some experienced outdoorsmen here, but I'm still learning. So, Dan from Coalcracker Bushcraft, shows three great knots. One can never have too much knowledge of things that might help you in the woods. Enjoy!

Well, best of luck with it. Go easy and enjoy the journey, your alter ego has you covered here:)

I went fishing this winter on the coast and was climbing vantage grade up off the Columbia river on I 90. As Im passing this 48 wheeler lowboy semi truck pulling a giant excavator up the hill? I see De Atley construction on the side. I smiled to myself. That family has more money than about anyone in the state…. I bet my bottom dollar that if Mr. DeAtley wanted film developed on weekends or after hours? It happened no questions asked.

I haven't seen many finding bigfoot episodes and have never heard matt Moneymaker speak openly about his objections to paranormal subjects. He just rejects it out of hand.

If cattiness were a requisite for being an anthropologist, you'd have exceeded.

Please, don't oversimplify it. If we are to suggest that Bigfoot evolved from a extinct hominid then we have to look at the evidence in a relative sense. Moreover, while both of our candidates lack the associated height that is usually reported in sightings my theory doesn't have the burden to explain why it has re-evolved certain basal characteristics like an extremely hairy body or a mid tarsal break and lower intelligence. Furthermore I have suggested that that there is an actual selection history that can explain how an Australopithecus could evolve a larger body size, namely high predation rates. Which I'd imagine a 4ft, 100lb primate living in a sparsely wooded area would succumb to and it is a far more parsimonious explanation than bergman's principle or allen's rule ( which you used incorrectly by the way!).

My conclusions are based on reading literally thousands of BF incident reports and hundreds of videos as well as a handful of encounters across two different states and 25 years. This is a personal hobby, nothing more. I do not set out to prove anything to anybody and honestly do not care your position on BF. Just replying to your post. Very sorry it was inadequate for your needs. You have been added to ignore so please do not bother replying.

I hope, as a new guy here, I am not posting something that's already been suggested. Last weekend, I was on a group camp with the SUFON folks (Seattle UFO Network), and a guy named Tobe Johnson whipped out one of the new Sionix night vision cameras. He had the one HERE IN THE LINK for $600. Okay...I have seen a lot of night vision stuff...but I have NEVER seen anything like this camera. We were at a dropoff next to a deep valley, and two miles across the way there is a big wooded ridge. There is NO MOON. I mean it is near pitch black out there. Tobe has us all take a look through this camera, which uses proprietary CMOS technology. And this thing absolutely turns night into mid-afternoon...IN full COLOR. No green junk with darkness, no black and white with dark spots. It must be seen to be believed. If you point it at a black sky, it looks like noon time in full sun. I have never seen anything like this camera, not even close. Not even REMOTELY close. Even though the ridge two miles away was nothing but a black lump in the darkness, the camera would show the entire scene in full daylight, individual trees, roads, everything. It will do still shots, infrared, and video. This thing just came out a short time ago, Tobe says. (His name is just one syllable, like TUB.) If you are looking for the ultimate in night vision, they have it. I did a review and said they should call it DAY vision, because that's exactly what it is. I was absolutely stunned. LOL I told Tobe someone should build a shrine to that thing. The tech is patented. EDIT: Some people use it on guns. But right away I could see that the best use of it was simply to turn night into nearly full daylight no matter how dark it is. Starlight for that thing is more than enough ambient light. We were miles from any town as well. The fact that it will do this IN COLOR is amazing. Frankly, I don't have the $600 spare to buy one, but I am saving up the money. I have to have this. Below is a YouTube demo showing 'regular' green night vision compared to the Sionix.

It's been a few weeks since I've been out in the field. Relatives visiting, and staying, and the weather has been so wet this past month I can't remember a year quite like it. Creeks are flowing and ponds filled to the brink. It was overcast today and I spend most of the day poking around water and looking for prints. There was a small print, with toes, but not sure what it was. I placed a trail cam near where a pond below fed out to a creek. We'll see what, if anything, it produces. If you look at the pictures below, you can see that 10' inside the treeline it is dark and another world altogether.

In the lower 48, sometimes your main danger isn't the wildlife, but humans. Here in WA state I have found discarded propane tanks, clear hose, beakers and other glassware etc...all the usual makings of a Breaking Bad operation out in the woods...at the end of little-used Forest Service roads. Now these folks are seriously dangerous because you can go to jail for many years for making that stuff, and the operators might just shoot first and forget the questions entirely. If you pull up on something like that, you should just turn around right away and leave with haste. But there are other practical things that are more useful and you would probably need more than worrying about bears or meth makers. I always carry any spare belts I replaced, the old ones, and a good tool kit. Two spare tires is a good idea, along with a tire plug kit and a pump. I went out in the hills above Naches, WA once and found out it WAS possible to get two flat tires on the same trip. Using the plug kit on the second flat, I still had to shove a bolt into the hole on the tire (pretty big hole) and made it back to civilization. Slowly. Recently, I picked up the item shown below and an Amazon return 50 watt solar panel and ditched the little gas generator I was using previously. I gave it a five star video review at Amazon. This one even beats the Jackery portable power units. It uses not just a lithium battery, but the LI-PO 4 battery, which will take many more charges than straight lithium and is far less dangerous. But it is a heavier unit due to the lithium iron phosphate battery. However, this unit comes with a nice little zipper case that includes the charging connectors for wall power, cigarette lighter, AND solar panel. It also comes with a built-in MPPT solar controller, if you can believe that. So you can plug a solar panel of any type right into the thing and it will stop charging automatically when it's full up. I personally recommend this 300-watt hour unit. Last trip I took was a group campout north of Rainier and the group generator stopped putting out power. Still, I was able to run a Samsung 32" TV and a small DVD player from this box and watch two complete movies...ran it down only to 40%. That's pretty good. LI-PO 4 battery will also give you full power right up (almost) to the point where you need to recharge. Some units get fading power and the cheapies that use a bunch of strung-together 18650 flashlight batteries aren't worth your time. You get one or two bad batteries in that series and the entire unit works much less. Here is the link to the unit at Amazon. Currently it is 265 with a 50 buck off coupon. You will never be sorry with this one. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GPL38M3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I do a lot of off-road, Into The Middle of Nowhere, solo vehicle camping. Mostly in either the Cascades or the Olympics, both of which are in Washington state. Over the years I have learned a few safety tips. If you camp at the end of a dead end Forest Service spur or the like, put your vehicle parked facing back the way you came. This is so if anyone happens along, especially at night, you can put the lights on them. Never park sideways or facing AWAY from the approach to your site. Put the lights toward the direction of any possible human threat, or any stranger driving up on you. Get powerful flashlights and the smaller tactical ones and keep a few around at all times. HINT: If you are camped WAY out in the middle of nowhere and someone comes along in a vehicle at 2 in the morning, they may not be dangerous, but they might be drunk. Most people don't cruise Forest Service roads that far out from the main road that late at night. Most people will already be camped somewhere. It doesn't always happen that way, but if you are camped say...15 miles from the main highway at the end of some spur road...you should be cautious about anyone approaching in a vehicle after dark. The Forest rangers generally don't go out at night that far off the main road without a good reason. Mostly they are daytime folks. Mostly... Consider adding a couple of off-road lights to your vehicle. I have this old Nissan truck and too many lights. But I feel safer and if anyone comes up on me out there, I will definitely switch them on if they approach after dark. People suggest guns here and there. Sure, I have a few. But at night I will always reach for the 12 gauge first. Believe it or not, it scares the bad people a lot more than almost any pistol. Especially when you snap a shell in there at night. People hear it, they know what it means. I attached a picture of the truck I take into the wilderness. Upgraded front lighting with a couple of Hella off road lights. Combine that with a good flashlight and you will be able to see them before they see you. If people come up on your site and they are legit and harmless, they generally stop some distance off and announce themselves politely. Watch out they aren't drunk. No big deal, but I am old as dirt and have been going into the hills since well...the 70's. Never had a problem except once, but that's a different story for later.

Mort: Yes, I did provide the gentleman with more info on the film, and a way to likely identify the original, using the camera ID mark. All known copies of the PGF which were contact printed (made by Roger in Nov. 1967) have a partially blocked ID area. Apparently a guide roller in the printer blocks that area when the light is shined through the source film to the copy stock. It clips most of the ID half-circle shape, but not all, leaving a notch in the left aperture edge at the top. I continue to occasionally correspond with the gentleman, as we've become friends of a sort. He hasn't communicated to me anything that would suggest his film is definitievely the PGF original. But he hasn't communicated very much to me, and said he prefers not to share either the analyst's report or any images of the film, and I respect his decision in that matter. So I can't say with any certainty exactly what he and his analyst are looking for., other than the ID marks as i advised him to consider looking for. The only true and unaltered camera ID mark I've seen was on the transparancies Patricia had, which Roger had made by a lab from his original. Since they were made by a still print system, they didn't need the guide roller a contact printed film needs, so the ID mark was shown complete on the transparancies. I don't know anything about Frank Ishihara's claim of a lab-introduced latent image that is added in processing. I've never heard of a lab doing so. And the latent images that show on the contact copies (which do have the kodachrome stock identification and 1967 date code), do not have any other latent images except the copy stock name and date code. But some copies have the right side sprocket area masked off. This would be done if the printer was set up to add an optical sound track, so the area (on single perf film) keeps the right side unexposed by picture so it can be exposed with an optical sound track. It's possible the lab image was put on the right side and subsequent copies masked off the right side just because that's how the printer was set up at the time the copy was made. The use of the camera ID is twofold. 1. to identify the true camera used, and 2. to identify the camera original because the copies have a partial ID area, not a full one, like the original does. To those of you in the forum who don't know what camera ID marks are, the attached image shows the K-100 camera ID marks and how they look when printed and cropped.

You leave pavement at Clarkia Idaho. It was dark when we got there. The road is gravel but it’s good road. It’s the main haul road for the loggers. It had been oiled. But it was strewn with brackets and tools and everything under the sun that would rattle off a log truck or a crummie. We stopped for a pee break 16 miles in and always do a walk around. I found out my front axle is 13/16 lug nuts and my rear axle is 3/4.... problem. My lug wrench didn’t fit rear axle. So in the morn I drove out and got a spare rim and tire, and a 1/2 drive socket set. Once we had her back on her feet, we decided discretion was the better part of valor and turned around and went back to St. Maries. And got the original replaced there. We put in the St. Joe river to kill some time. The boat traffic was unreal on the south end of lake Coeur d Alene. Yesterday we fished the Pend Oreille river and slayed a bunch of small mouth bass. We will try the expedition again but only after I put new rubber all the way around the boat trailer.😬

I wouldn't state that as a universal truth ... I don't find this to be true. Quite the opposite: as a researcher, I start with what amounts to an anecdote (report) and do the research to find the evidence. Expecting that to be provided for me is putting the cart in front of the horse. MIB

This is a good question. I am of mixed mind. Based on personal observation, there is something "funny" about bigfoot vision. Seeing into infared would account for those observations. The problem, though, is that trail camera triggers do not use projected infared. The only time a camera produces anything infared that could be seen is when the IR flash goes off and the picture is being taken. The only way that could alert a bigfoot to the presence of the camera is if bigfoot happened to see the camera flash when it takes a picture of something else. I do not think seeing infared accounts for them avoiding trail cameras, not by seeing anything the trail camera is producing anyway. I have another notion. In the way of an experiment, I set up two trail cameras facing each other, one inert, the other active, then triggered the active camera to take a picture which I observed. The inert trail camera was not camouflaged under the IR flash, it was a solid color rectangular box. If bigfoot is truly seeing cameras and avoiding them, then it might be because though the cameras are camouflaged to us humans, they are out of place solid color boxes to bigfoot eyes. If that is the case, then we need to completely hide the camera within some natural material so that the plastic is not visible. I don't have any cameras out right now, but when I do, I cover them with tree bark, burlap, leaves, or the like, and I attach them to trees with black wood screws and thin black wire rather than wide straight straps which are eyecatching. Hmmm .. one of my friends has one of those rock cams .. a trail camera built into an artificial rock. I'll ask him if he has a regular IR trail camera and if so if he could take a picture of his rock under IR with that camera to see if it is hidden or stands out in some way. MIB

Absolutely. It goes a step further though, via two factors. First, the smaller a population is, the faster it can drift genetically because it does not have the buffering effect of members of the larger population's genetic contributions. Second, the more extreme the environment, the more it will be pushed to adapt .. or die out .. via natural selection. Taken together, a very small population of some known ancestor or cousin of ours could have arrived in North America under very climatically challenging conditions and have had to have drifted a great deal isolated from its parent population or die out. Science shows that unlike what we presumed, evolution is not a smooth, steady process, but rather is periods of sameness broken by large, abrupt changes. What we are looking for today here might not look all that much like its biological ancestor did. We need DNA to study (whether that comes from a freshly dead body or not) if we are to find out just how close we are to them genetically. A body on a slab has two pluses ... first, it may be easier to obtain than DNA from the field, and second, there can be no doubt about the source of the DNA if you are taking it from a body rather than collecting hair from the environment. MIB

Lol. I will come just to film that… Don’t end up in a hotel bathtub filled with ice missing a kidney , bud.

I think that he means actual researchers, not people who collect Bigfoot coffee mugs and film themselves on their phones banging t-ball bats on trees outside of a campground.

Someone who is familiar with the woods, and those creatures that inhabit it, particularly a hunter, will reserve judgment of what they've just seen until it can be identified. If a patch of dark-brown, or black, hair goes moving through the brush, or trees, there is no way to be able to identify it. It is simply unknown until it can be clearly seen. A responsible person would admit that. With that said, if you could see something upright and walking in the woods, there is no way a bear could be confused with a sasquatch, like Patty, that takes a 41" stride. Bears have tiny, little legs from the knee down. Moreover, their stride is small and choppy. Patty's walk is smooth and gliding. As you admit to above, those "hunters and outdoors men" were not sure what they saw. That is being responsible. They have not misidentified. They have simply not identified. The difference is profound.

Looks like a wonderful day out, norseman, and a great way to beat the heat! I spent Saturday and this morning doing Dad stuff, driving a Uhaul from one town to another, helping my youngest son move to a new location, but I got to feed my need for the tall timber this afternoon, with a trip to Tamihi Creek, a tributary of the Chilliwack River that runs along the US border for much of its length. The weather has moderated here the last few days, so the temp stayed below 30C, which was very nice for a change. The recent very hot weather has really kicked the high mountain snow melt into gear, and the creek was a rushing torrent in the places where it was visible from the old narrow logging road. Most of the roughly 20 km length of the road runs through varying ages of second growth timber, restricting the view, but the last few km had been logged in the last 5 years or so, opening up the view of the Border Peaks, a number of craggy ridges straddling the international border. The mountain on the US side has a glacier at the top, with huge avalanche chutes running down to the creek, and a very impressive cornice at the top of the glacier. The US side of the creek appears to be old growth forest, as access from the south side of that ridge, to the north face that I could see, would be very difficult. In a couple of my photos, you can see the line cut through the timber that defines the 49th parallel. There were numerous deer tracks in some places, and a nice blacktail doe crossed the road in front of me, too quickly for me to catch a pic. I also saw several impressive bear scat piles, and spoke to a dirt biker near the end of the trail who had been there last weekend, and saw what he described as the biggest black bear he'd ever seen. When he saw it on the road, he stopped, and it turned toward him, rose on it's hind legs, and popped its jaw at him, so he did a quick u-turn, and got out of there!

The fact that they are waiting for Bob to pass before releasing the information is a big red flag.

New alleged photo circulating of Greg the blonde, dreadlocked Bigfoot with a 3 musketeers mustache and goatee.