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I think the best circumstantial evidence was obtained by the Olympic Project.

Thank you to Gigantor for fixing our server!👏 Sorry folks!

502 was definitely a bad gateway. Glad to see it was not our pathway

And a HUGE shoutout to Gig for all he does to keep this place up and running! IT is not a easy thing to keep going at times.

Just wondering if its still the seething hotbed of opinions and contention it was always rumored to be.....also I'm still curious about the purple glow.........lol

I think you have to ask some followup questions. 1) WHEN did the encounter occur, because I think media attention has changed the answer over time, at least in terms of averages. 2) WHO are you? Because I think different demographics have different propensities to report. I take a LOT of local reports via word of mouth that are never formally submitted .. truly, I've heard many accounts even from BFRO and Olympic Project members around the campfire that I do not think are part of any public database. I think we have to be very careful, in the context of your question, about assuming any uniformity of answer. Then there's the question of what constitutes a report? Formal submission? Sharing with other bigfooters informally? Sharing with family .. who may not be proponents? Those will vary for each of us depending on something which may vary from trust of those we're sharing with to deliberately, abrasively jamming it down their throats and daring them to voice doubt.

I was visiting my cousin (who grew up and currently lives on the northern coast of Oregon) 2 years ago and she revealed to me that she had a sighting in her backyard in the 80's. She has known of my interest in squatching for the last 15 years, but never said a thing. She finally opened up and told everyone after 40 years.

^^^ Absolutely. That's one reason why old reports may be less reliable. Numerous (probably most) encounter reports give only the year, then at best the month and date. However, the inability to remember a date doesn't necessarily taint a witness's report. I can recount in painful detail a jump I made somewhere between '85 and '86 (maybe '87) where the 'chute wrapped around my leg. The fact that I don't remember the date without pulling out my (very short) jump log book doesn't make my recollection of the events any less credible.

The distinction I am trying to make? Is that a Bear is not self aware. It doesn’t recognize itself in a mirror, it attacks the mirror. It doesn’t understand that it’s leaving tracks that others can follow either. It itself tracks like a bloodhound, on scent. It has poor eyesight, but most importantly it’s not self aware. Knuckle walking great apes are self aware. They may react like a Bear at first. But they quickly figure out they are seeing their own reflection. Jeff Meldrum talks about making Chimp casts and observing the chimps be self aware of their own footprints in the sand. So if knuckle walking great apes are self aware? Surely a bipedal Sasquatch is more self aware than they are. This is the cognition part that most animals lack. So back to tracks. If you live in the woods and are hunting and foraging in the woods? You’re gonna leave sign. It’s inescapable. The key difference is having the cognitive ability to understand this. And if you don’t want to be found? Then you’re going to mitigate the risk as much as feesably possible. But you cannot erase it entirely. But if you understand this concept you can also use it as a WEAPON against the trackers. You could leave a short track way in the opposite direction of your families intended travel. You could stage a track in an area where you can easily observe your trackers from concealment. A false trail buys you time while the tracker has to sort it out. There are lots of counter tactics in the game of tracker and being tracked. This leaves the territory of a hunter tracking a deer through the woods. This is military and law enforcement territory. Where a tracked human could be leading you into an ambush. Now you’re asking yourself things like? Why is this track left in such an obvious way? Is it a misdirection? Are we being observed? Is it a stall for time? You may be a city slicker but if you’re honestly interested in this subject? There are lots of good books to read and you can practice some of it in your own backyard or a park. I observed a trackway in snow with my father. I have zero doubt that a Sasquatch knows it’s leaving tracks. IT KNOWS. So the question then becomes did it care? Or could it not be helped? If it doesn’t care then it probably has an ulterior motive. Which should send a cold shiver up your spine. But in our case hunting for a Xmas tree in an area we normally would not be in that time of year? And in deep snow? It probably just couldn’t be helped. In that case it’s probably betting on the fact that a human on snowshoes just cannot keep up in deep snow in mountainous terrain. And it is impossible to erase a snow trackway anyhow. So make haste. I have mulled this concept over in my head many times. Even when I am out in the woods looking for tracks. A quarry that understands that you could be tracking it? Is a paradigm shift for most hunters, hikers and lay people. Tracks will never be the smoking gun. Dental resin casts are great conversation pieces but nothing more. But tracks will lead you to the creature…. That’s a certainty. IF we are good enough to follow them and the weather holds.🤷‍♂️ The ultimate game of hide and seek.

https://www.science.org/content/article/mysterious-orange-lipped-monkey-discovered-deep-congo-rainforest-new-species I'm surprised that this doesn't have a thread yet. It seems tangentially relevant. This line I found interesting: "The Likweli monkey was first caught on camera in 2008, when a research expedition snapped a blurry photo of a black-pelted primate they didn’t recognize." That's right folks, all started with a blobmonkey!

For those who doubt the usefulness of DNA in identifying Bigfoot as a new species or a Homo sapiens hybrid, please read this paper on the Likweli monkey, which has extensive DNA results to demonstrate its place in monkey phylogeny as a distinct species. A similar paper on the Lesula monkey, another recent discovery, can be found in PLOS ONE.

^^^ This is a point Anna Nikaris has made about Bigfoot. She discovered some similar primate in Asia herself a few years ago. Never know what is out there.

For the moment, my little chunk o' heaven is calm. The East Evans Creek Fire (15,800 acres?) seems under control. The state fire marshal team tasked with structure protection left a week ago. The local IMT under state forestry has completed their 2 week rotation and has been replaced by a joint team from California and Australia. North-central and Eastern Oregon are a different situation. Something over 1.5 million acres have burned / are burning, several fires well beyond 100K acres, and today they're under a "PDS" red flag warning, not a red flag warning. I'd never heard the term. PDS is particularly dangerous situation. Low humidity, winds to 50 mph over active fires, and not enough resources to address new starts. Despite all of the conspiracy nonsense, these are lightning fires other than East Evans Creek which was the result of a car hitting a power pole and dropping live lines into dry brush.

How dare you question my opinion. When I said "thoughts?", I wasn't actually asking and I surely didn't expect anyone to provide anything worthwhile. Don't you know who I am? I'm like Ralphy in A Christmas Story after turning in his theme and in his mind getting an A+++++, with his classmates hoisting him upon their shoulders, and you are the teacher bringing me back to reality. Oh the gall of some people. Seriously though. Thanks for that. I did considered the car aspect and this was found several miles from the nearest road, so ruled that out. Stepping in holes? Maybe, maybe one leg, maybe and that is even far fetched in my mind. Let's examine this post mortem. What is going to scavenge in Minnesota? Coyotes, wolves, bears, and cougars and none of those would create torque resulting in spiral fractures. I think the key to this discussion really is the evidence of the spiral fractures themselves. That in my mind is quite telling. All good conversations. As a side note, later that same night, I watched a 9 foot squatch through a thermal walk through the forest, check out our camp as a guy was playing his native flute, and then move away for a total of 15 minutes (story for another thread). I'm pretty sure that is swaying my views on these breaks, but nevertheless I think they are good evidence.

A friend works on / volunteers on a ranch along the next river corridor to the west. They have found several deer skeletons, meat removed, just tendons, bones, and hide, with the rear leg broken and the neck snapped inside of an open-air barn. This is consistent with observations from other places. Thoughts? Well, you did ask. I think it is useless so far as providing evidence for existence. There are far too many alternate explanations for it to be convincing to anyone. Deer break their legs either stepping in holes, being hit by cars, and so on. As tendons dry, they can bend the neck or other joints in ways consistent with deliberate manipulation. What my friend found, the photos you shared, are interesting information for people who've already decided for themselves that bigfoot is, or is most probably, real, but so far as moving anyone from non-believer to believer .. nah, not going to move that needle in the slightest. I wish to thank you for sharing, don't want you to regret that based on my seemingly negative comments. I find it interesting .. but I'm not someone who needs convincing. MIB

Happy Anniv. Mr and Mrs. Huntster! I hope you are both feeling much better. Heat index in TN, MS and AR has been 110-127 sometimes lately and IT is nasty. (Climate change denialists look away, there is nothing to see here.) But, yes, Happy Birthday, USA! Our leaders are doing a lot of stupid things right now, but hopefully common sense will eventually prevail. I have hope for the future because we have smart and wonderful kids who deserve much, much better and they will change things. The recent BFF outage was unprecedented; thank-you Gigantor and whoever else helped to get it running again. Semper Fidelis!

We have a pathway and a gateway? Next thing you know we'll get all high-falutin' and have whatever high-falutin' websites have. Maybe a portal?

Had me worried, that was a long one! I don't post much but still visit often...

I recently read this thread in full. Super fascinating.

Holy kamoley! It's good to be back! Great to see old friends, again.

Wow! This is great! I was afraid we were done for good.

We are on the Kaiser Canyon Fire. Doing reclaim. We came across the Keller Ferry. Staging at Keller Wa.

Beyond this, i've found some some truly amazing things where the larger, three year data set is concerned, AND i'm still looking to get a fourth consecutive year cleaned up and analysed this year/next year. I'll of course share it when applicable, right here on the forums first..;)

Yep. A "side consideration" in this regard is that the chances that the date of the 'claimed encounter' is misremembered/misreported the more time passes between event and report submission. My own report to BFRO, for instance, was submitted nearly 30 years after the actual event so the best I could do was try to back in to the date based on events and seasons surrounding it, I didn't have a specific record of the date.

It's no secret that the BFF is struggling. It's no one's fault, and some good folks have worked hard to keep the lights on. I'm very grateful to them. The Tar Pit has dwindled, in conjunction with the forum's struggles. I would certainly welcome anyone seeking to dip a toe into its murky depths. Long live BFF!

Tar pit is still there. I am in favor of just ending the Premium membership. We can ask for donations once a year to keep the forum going. And I am willing to pick up the slack if it’s short. And Gigantor has graciously allowed us his server to use. But it’s open to discussion for cadre.

https://youtu.be/b2rKogbd7mI?is=hN0WusbckkQOPozR

Funny you mention the logging trucks! I remember as a kid my folks took us on summer trips in the 25' foot motor home in the late 60s/early 70s. Up through California, oregon, and Washington into BC and Alberta a couple times and there were always a ton of trucks hauling logs, crazy like! And speaking of arson, I heard just the other day that there's been people betting on brush fires, their occurrences, maybe durations, etc on those new "bet-on-anything" online gambling sites. Now that's just asking for arsonists!

Hi. My Username is FieldAnomaly, you can call me Scott. I've always been interested in Bigfoot type stories since high school (a long time ago) but it hasn't been a primary interest up until the last 6-8 months. I am a paranormal investigator with 20+ years experience in science-based investigations. I wrote a White Paper on the environmental events sometimes associated with Bigfoot encounters. I've recently applied my paranormal techniques on 2 solo backpacking trips, one on the Superior Hiking Trail, and one on the TN/KY border. I believe that if Bigfoot encounter stories are accurate, I can measure and quantify environmental changes. I'll be posting more in the main body, I'm just introducing myself for now.

This is a great point - Bigfoot probably do leave signs, but ... 1) If they live in very remote areas, few people will go there to find those signs. 2) If they dine and dash (graze on plants or pick off animals and then move on), then the evidence won't accumulate in one neat pile. 3) As a large animal, they probably have a large home range, so the bread crumbs are scattered over a very wide area. 4) The largest (credible) group of Bigfoot I've seen reported is 4 at one time, two adults and two juvenile-sized Bigfoot. If they do congregate somewhere, its very far from where humans go. Not arguing with any of the points you made - just want to start fleshing out some common sense (I hope) explanations for when skofftics show up and start saying, "where's the poop, where's the bone piles?"

Koko clearly had a chance to reach her potential because he IQ max (70-90) came into an environment where she got the attention, training, and so on at her zoo. If Koko was left the the wild Koko doesn't learn sign language and so on or at least at the impressive level we see on this videos. Its still spooky and impressive at the same time. I do think in our guts people naturally need to emotionally dismiss the things Apes do because it is hard to accept how close they are to us as 'normal people' I am guessing Bigfoot has at least a Koko level IQ. I consider that more potential of Bigfoot. I have to think Bigfoot uses whatever brains achieve its day to day working needs. If its day to day needs are a struggle it almost doesn't have the time for higher thought. If Bigfoot lived in Koko's zoo my guess is Bigfoot would be smarter on many levels vs. Koko. I would also guess Bigfoot would be able to achieve levels of learning Koko couldn't. None of this would happen though if Bigfoot didn't end up in an environment like Koko's zoo where this potential can become realized. Bigfoot is probably pretty smart and obviously good at hiding. I still say it doesn't mean Bigfoot has some really high level of smarts and understanding some suggest. I hope we never find out because to do so would be some rate animal was caged to do so.

There have been several sightings of Bigfoot in the past few years near the Missouri River at La Benite Park in Sugar Creek, at the conservation area in Sugar Creek, and in Independence, in that same general area. The Missouri River is 3.66 miles from the recent sighting, and .48 miles from the railroad line, which passes right by the Missouri River. Several people (including me) have heard things that could have been Bigfoot (heavy footsteps on the gravel late at night, loud grunts, and on two occasions, rails being banged against each other, which I doubt a human could do) along the railroad cut that goes directly behind my house, which is 2 miles from the most recent location. The cuts are heavily overgrown with bushes and trees. I need to write an article about these reports.

Here is an Orangutan male passing the dot test. Instead of feeling threatened by “another” male in his vicinity? He calmly wipes the paint off his own forehead. Because he is self aware.

Sure seems to doesnt it?

I was under the impression that the book was closed on this terrible footage long ago. What I mean is mostly likely human, but not discernible because of the awful quality. Apparent removal of the head of the costume doesn't help.

Well, that's interesting and does open up some potentials. If the track ways are indicating a larger size, do they also imply the degree of "upright-ness"? And how would this impact their capacity for longer distance mobility. Is it possible they or some member of Paranthropus were able to take part in the ongoing exodus from Africa along with other hominids of the time, such as erectus? If this occurred when sea levels had dropped we would have little chance of finding evidence of such range expansions, but if H.erectus was on the move, whats to say Paranthropus wouldn't as well, perhaps even following or joining H.e for increased safety and foraging.its a stretch to be sure, but it does illustrate potential pathways for the simultaneous expansion of multiple species outside of Africa, which could then result in multiple derived forms further out rather than just our own hominid line.

Hello. Name is mark. I'm from Indiana. Haven't had any experiences but became interested in this subject after watching this old timer from my hometown talk about his involvement and interest in Bigfoot. His name is Don Worley. Anyways.. happy to be here. Look forward to chatting with everyone.

^^^ Be safe if you go.

In theory Sasquatch's should be moving around A LOT and there should be an increase in sightings maybe.

I became intested in bigfoot after a sighting on a road near north carolina i have been following it ever since

Here in BC, most of the Fraser Canyon and the Cariboo Plateau is blazing right now, with at least 4 towns evacuated, and several more under threat. One of the fires is now over 90,000 hectares!

I agree with you .. but that's not relevant so far as moving the bar. What's in your mind, what's in my mind .. also not relevant to moving the bar. The only evidence that matters, so far as moving us closer to scientific acceptance, is evidence that skeptics and outright scoftics can't find an alternate explanation for. A body or a large enough piece to test and retest DNA from so many times that contamination or degradation is simply not a feasible explanation. There may be lesser evidence that draws scientists in .. then THEY will have to find the body instead of US, but ultimately it is going to come down to a body or major piece of a body. I wish I were wrong.

Portal sounds intriguing.

We understate the thanks owed to those who brought us back. thanks is all we can offer. don’t know what ya got until it’s (nearly) gone.

Thanks and praise!

WOW, we're back! I was hoping this would happen, I missed all of you.

Glad to see you back!

Hi all I'm Shake, 35, and used to be a member of this forum a long time ago. My interested in sasquatch must have started almost 20 years ago, back when I was still a teenager living in Germany. I moved to Los Angeles eight years ago. I used to read the reports on BFRO for hours, absolutely riveted by the fact that hundreds of eyewitnesses were clearly describing the same mammal. How could they ALL be lying or hallucinating? I think what convinced me early on that sasquatches must be real is this BFRO page: https://www.bfro.net/news/SnowTracks/WI-tab.asp I was also fascinated with the Kentucky project, back before it was renamed the Erickson project (which happened around 17 years ago). There is a lengthy blogpost by DB Donlon about it that I'd love to share here later. My favourite recent evidence is the absolutely awesome Ouachita Project Monograph by the NAWAC: https://www.woodape.org/index.php/opmonograph/ I've also loved John Bindernagel's The Discovery of the Sasquatch. I'm dying to read his earlier book North America's Great Ape, but it doesn't seem to be available for purchase for under 100 $ anywhere... I'm excited to rejoin the fold of the one and only Bigfoot Forums! :)

I've got a flu, and I just got Mrs. Huntster out of the hospital on Thursday. It's cloudy/rainy, but I like that better than heat. Our 50th wedding anniversary is at the end of the month. No plans. Life dictates our actions day by day, but I'm loving our Alaskan summer!