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While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.

Here are some photos from the post above: Chilliwack Lake looking North e

No doubt, and despite the fact that nobody can definitively say what it is there’s still no shortage of people flippantly dismissing it as a bear because the idea that it could be something else is one they don’t want to deal with. Just like Patty is a guy in a suit, sure…..

I've noticed that at least some predators seem to avoid traveling the same path as their prey. On cameras where I get deer, elk and moose; the bears and cougar are mostly seen crossing rather than following the trail. Blue Mountains of Washington Cinnamon Bear crossing the game trail.

My oldest boy, Steve, called me earlier this week to see if I was heading out in the mountains this long weekend. He didn't have to twist my arm very hard to get a yes out of me. ;-) I picked him up at about noon, after my honey-do list was done, and we headed out to the north side of the Fraser River, east of Mission. We chose to go in a FSR that would bring us to a creek valley north of the one where we both had sightings about 45 years ago. The valley of our sightings has become very popular with the local 4x4 and ATV groups, and would be busy on a sunny Good Friday, hence the detour to the back side of those same mountains. Once we got to our chosen branch FSR, we had the place to ourselves, other than 1 truck headed out as we went in. The previous 3 nights had brought heavy rain via thunderstorms, so the road was a little slick, and coated the Hummer with a nice tan coat of mud, rubbing off on our pant legs every time we got in or out of the truck, and washing away any hopes of seeing tracks. Not only were no tracks spotted, no animals were seen all day, either. Every branch trail that we attempted off the main one ended in washout, mudslides, or deadfall, and in 1 case, all 3 in the same spot! By 6 PM we called it a day, and turned around for the 1 hour run back to pavement on the washboard gravel FSR main. I was blessed to be able to get out in the hills with each of my sons on subsequent weekends, It felt like our outings when they were both still teens.

Just because you say it is a bear doesn't make it so.

If the bear don’t fit you must acquit…

Yes, I've been "zapped". Don't know if it was infrasound or not. All I know is that one minute I was knocking or whistling with something in the woods late at night and the next minute, I was filled with terror and locked myself in my minivan crying on the floor. A few minutes later, it was like a switch turned off, I felt completely fine, and I opened the door and continued knocking or whistling. (This happened on one of two nights, same place, same time at night and I no longer remember which is which, in 2012).

I think you overestimate their fear of guns. It's not the gun, it's the person holding it. SCARED people with guns are dangerous, unpredictable, volatile. Calm, confident people with guns are just calm, confident people .. not a threat. It's the fear that turns the gun into a hazard. Humans telegraph fear quite loudly in our posture, motions, and so on. I've had a couple of sightings, camp visits at night, been punked / messed with .. and every time, minus one, I had a gun, often a hunting rifle slung over my shoulder, not something hidden. It ain't about the gun, it's about the human.

The only keyboard warrior is you.

Lowkee, zendog or who ever you are, once you start calling people uncreative names like simpletons, your age and IQ, which is very low, begin to show through. You should take some time to grow up or go troll somewhere else. You are not well versed in the art of trolling. And so far yours is zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/us/monkeys-truck-crash-pennsylvania.html

"Brush Apes" weren't really different from Sasquatch as far as I remember the stores. However, a friend of my step-father's was on a baseball team in the 1940s which was called the Brush Apes. So it's not a new term. Certainly predates Momo in my recollections. My Samurai Chatter experience bothered me because it lasted for such a long time and on consecutive nights. On the first night I went to sleep after listening for a full hour. Just seemed odd to me that it lasted so long. Later, Mike Jay (over 30 years chasing bigfoot) assured me this was not nearly as unusual as I had thought. Still, I was raised in Missouri so I probably must see it to believe it.

There is no way you can prove it is a bear. Your testimony is as irrelevant to the conversation as anyone else's. You made the statement that it is a bear. A statement you can not back up with anything other than anecdotal evidence.

Those are some pretty horse, and nice pictures.... They don't mean diddly. Too many old timers here do this. Rather than evidence to back their position, look at all this evidence of what a big bad outsdoors guy I am, so I must be right. Its not a sasquatch, it never was. Its a bear at a bear feeding station, in an odd pose, doing bear stuff.

Black Jack and Joker at the ranch Scout and Joker at the snow peak cabin doing work for the USFS Steven, Jasper, Red and Scout at ranch Red at ranch Big Red, Mary Lou and Benny in the Frank Church wilderness, Idaho

An old packer trick is to rub Vicks vapor rub in their nose. I didn’t have any with me so I tied my fleece jacket around her neck that had my sweat on it. Its mainly just time under pack saddle. Another thing that helps young mules is to mix them with old mules. The old mules will teach them with bites or kicks if they get out of line. I had a lead mule that would lift her leg going down the trail if a young mule tried to pass her. If the youngin did not take the hint? They got kicked in the chin. She was the best mule I ever owned. Bought her from the Busted Ass ranch sale in Arlee, Montana. Paid 1500 bucks for her in 96. Everyone laughed at me until it was time to throw elk quarters on and they are having a goat rodeo and my 2 mules are standing in the gut pile ears forward…… they came right off an outfitter pack string. She trained many of the young mules going forward. Suspension bridges, deer, elk, bear, high line etiquette, going down the trail. I shot her with my .44 mag when she was blind and failing in the fall one year. She would not have made it through another winter. I bawled like a baby. Hardest thing I have ever done. She was in her 30s. Her name was Mary Lou.

Guess which one didn't listen to advice and looked at the sun, today.

Lots of great info and resources here as usual. The subject hasn't gotten stagnant to me personally, however I am bored of a lot of the "production" efforts. There's only one group (small town monsters) currently turning out good content on bigfoot and it's because there's little to no fluff for viewers. You get the story then make up your own mind. As for research I kinda stopped watching every one else except the OP, Darby Orcutt, and the kid from the UK with the old world primate DNA showing up. Kinda got me out of the mindset of keeping up with the Joneses on hardware and technology and just sticking to doing what I do best, and that's tracking and ecology studies. I just go out, enjoy the wilderness, take pics, and conduct the occasional survey or official study. If your close to WV I'm open for any of y'all to come out with me anytime. I've got some updating to do over on the southern WV/ Wineberry thread. Good topic

I'm still not sure on these photos. I'm now 80% sick, mangy bear and 20% "no clue".

For whatever reason we can say they don't seem to be having an effect since they are not attracting them. If they are, they are not doing so in a way that results in people getting them on camera or having a reported sighting using them as bait. I like the idea of some scent as bait. Certain animals go into heat. That is a strategy that could be assumed to work for some animals. We all know in people (and some animals) the smell of food or cooking seems to work. We all have heard in science class how wolves came closer smell of food cooking on the fire and became domesticated dogs for the cavemen. What attracts a bigfoot? I don't know if apes are attracted to 'smells' be it pheromones or McDonalds in the garbage bin. We could assume Bigfoot might be more likely to be attracted to what we might be or at least what attracts a Gorilla, but we can't really know. Just guess. All things need to eat sleep mate and so on. Using a smell in a smart way - assuming we know the smell- seems like a reasonable idea. The trick will be to 1) get the right smell 2) have it close enough to enough subjects to lure at least one in. 3) have a camera ready and able when the animal arrives. I remember a Bigfoot show on TV where the person played a set of drums in the woods hoping to make bigfoot 'curious' Not the worst idea. My take would be food attracts people and other animals. Even if I eat, I still notice my stomach rumbles when the neighbor is cooking on the grill or popping popcorn. At the end of the day Dr. Hannible Lecter sums it up well in Silence of the Lambs: Hannibal Lecter: "First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? In this way, if we could know what Bigfoot likes and provide it to him/her we might have a chance. Clearly what we are doing isn't working or is not working well enough to accomplish a home run encounter.

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I found this out when my wife, grandson, his wife, and daughter who lived with me were always angry when we sat in the living room. I discovered that our unused ceiling fan motor was not operating the fan, but was on and grinding at a nearly undetectable in audio. I turned it off and we all just relaxed and the living room became a relaxing area once again.

True but I will take my chances. Those images from the BFRO have been all over the internet. I have copied copies of copies and posted here without the owner messaging me with infringement warnings or cease and desist notices. If he does I would certainly conform to his demands.

Looks like you had better weather than I did, a 100km or so WNW of you. I saw a few sunny breaks, but mostly drizzle all day, with a bit of fresh snow showing higher in the mountains, when I could see them. I heard earlier in the week that the Ross Lake road system had finally re-opened after being severely damaged in the major flood event we had in Nov. of '21, so of course I had to go check it out. There were several sections of a km or more that had been completely obliterated by the Silver Creek, in the north section, and the Skagit River in the southern stretch. They've done a good job of rebuilding the damaged sections, raising and realigning the roadbed and putting huge box culverts under the cross creeks, with lots of boulder riprap to reinforce the banks. Hopefully it will withstand future 100 year rainfall events. The gravel surface was in excellent shape, making it easy to maintain the 60km/hr speed limit, with only very minor washboards in a few sections. Most of the side trails were still accessible, so I explored as many as I had time for, as far as conditions allowed, getting stopped by washouts, deadfalls and landslides on all of them eventually. One of our group's favourite camp spots is still in good shape, so we'll probably do our usual summer outing there this year. As far as wildlife goes, I was disappointed to see only 1 grouse, and no larger game at all, though that valley is known to have deer, bear, cougar, bobcat, and moose, as well as several Sasquatch sightings that we've followed up on in the past. The valley bottom is prime game habitat, with many small creeks flowing down from the mountains on each side, and willow swamps and cattail bogs adjacent to the rivers and creeks.

I've heard this advice on tv shows. It would be an interesting experiment to hang game cameras without batteries to see if that changed the behavior of a 'nuisance squatch'.

Well, to be fair? There is a lot of hoaxing going on. And the deepfake stuff is getting better by the day. But a common thing I hear among Bigfooters and skeptics alike? Is why don’t we get any camera trap photos? Well….. we do! We also get tons and tons of IPhone video of a dark figure walking across a slope or through a forest, etc, etc. To put it into perspective? People complain about grainy FLIR footage shot by a F/A 18 Super Hornet in regards to UAPs…..🤷‍♂️ And then as you say people become enthralled with a photo or video of a cryptid or whatever that then becomes the unrealistic bar by which everything else is measured. In Bigfootdom that’s the PGF. In the Loch Ness monster it’s the surgeons photo. In UFO’s it’s the McMinnville photo. Whatever. So when you don’t see a flying saucer…. You see a flying cigar? Your sighting doesn’t line up… Or you don’t see a bipedal hominid you see a quadruped ape thing? Again it doesn’t line up. All I can say from my 53 years of hunting and fishing is that something weird is going on in Pennsylvania AND Kentucky. If the Jacobs photos obviously showed a Bear in its two photos? Non of us would have heard about it. Is it proof? Of course not. But we do have proof of Chimp DNA in a national forest in Kentucky. That’s proof! What is it doing there? That remains to be seen. But without a doubt it’s weird. And if I was standing on my porch in Kentucky and heard or saw a Chimp in the woods? Where would my mind go?

I'm not a bigfoot expert because I have never seen one . I have seen plenty of black bears because my state is loaded with them and get them crossing my property many many times every year . I know some say it could be a black bear with mange and it's true mange can make animals look really weird sometimes . I'm on the fence because in my opinion the two photos do not look like a cub with mange .It's just impossible to tell really what type of animal it is. The length of the limbs just look way too long to be a black bear . Escaped exotic animal from a owner ? maybe a chimp ...who knows

The Bear hunter at the end of this video knows it wasn’t a bear. Bear simply can’t bend straight down from the hips and tuck their head like it has.

Great view of a big tamarack budding. Only evergreen to loose its needles each fall.

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I don’t find you amusing at all. You’re just a troll. Your reasoning is about as good as your reading comprehension.

IDK, maybe if you would have just owned up to your mistake when I first pointed it out?

I spent my younger years in the Northern part of the Ozark Mountains where I heard stories of Brush Apes but didn't really pay much attention to the subject. After spending most of the past 40 years in Washington State, I have had several experiences which other people would call bigfoot experiences. Most of these were while alone when hunting bear or deer. However, even after hearing Samurai Chatter, I'm not entirely convinced. I must be a terrible big footer because I'm skeptical of even my own evidence. LOL

I don't know if it is desperation as much as branching out to get more dollars flowing into the coffers to do more research. But I do agree every video seems to be more of the same. And I realize one realistically can not expect them to get footage of a Squatch all the time... and maybe, not even once. But if you can't put out a video that has any decent evidence such as quality tracks, sightings, howls, etc...then don't put a video out there until you can. I don't need drone shots of treetops and "amusing" montages of breakfast being fixed or slo-mo walks along the trail. We need substance. Quality not quantity.

Howdy all.....some interesting pics from recent hikes, the headless Barbie doll was definitely creepy considering the remoteness of where it was.

Here you go Backdoc: Article: Skamania Ordinance2 Date Posted: Nov-18-2006 ORDINANCE NO. 1984-2 PARTIALLY REPEALING AND AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 1969-01 WHEREAS, evidence continues to accumulate indicating the Possible existence within Skamania County a nocturnal primate mammal Variously described as an ape-like creature or sub-species of Homo Sapiens; and WHEREAS, legend, purported recent findings, and spoor support This possibility; and WHEREAS, this creature is generally and commonly known as “Sasquatch”, “Yeti”, “Bigfoot”, or “Giant Hairy Ape”, all of which terms may be hereinafter be used interchangeably; and WHEREAS, publicity attendant upon such real or imagined findings And other evidence have resulted in an influx of scientific investigators as well as casual hunters, most of which are armed with lethal weapons; and WHEREAS, the absence of specific national and state laws restricting the taking of specimens has created a dangerous state of affairs within this county in regard to firearms and other deadly devices used to hunt the Yeti and poses a clear and present danger to the safty of the well-being persons living or traveling within the boundries of this county as well as to the Giant Hairy Apes themselves; and WHEREAS, previous County Ordinance No. 1969-01 deemed the slaying of such creature to be a felony (punishable by 5 years in prison) and may have exceeded the jurisdictional authority of that Board of County Commissioners; now, therefore BE IT HEREBY ORDAINED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF SKAMANIA COUNTY that a portion of Ordinance No. 1969-1, deeming the slaying of Bigfoot to be a felony punishable by 5 years in prison, is hereby repealed and in its stead the following sections are enacted: SECTION 1. Sasquatch Refuge. The Sasquatch, Yeti, Bigfoot, or Giant Hairy Ape are declared to be endangered species of Skamania County and there is hereby created a Sasquatch Refuge, the boundaries of which shall be co-extensive with the boundaries of Skamania County. SECTION 2. Crime-Penalty. From and after the passage of this ordinance the premeditated, willful, or wanton slaying of Sasquatch shall be unlawful and shall be punishable as follows: (a) If the actor is found to be guilty of such a crime with malice aforethought, such act shall be deemed a Gross Misdemeanor. (b) If the act is found to be premeditated and willful or wanton but without malice aforethought, such act shall be deemed a Misdemeanor. (c) A gross misdemeanor slaying of Sasquatch shall be punishable by 1 year in the county jail and a $1,000.00 fine, or both. (d) The slaying of Sasquatch which is deemed a misdemeanor shall be punishable by a $500.00 fine and up to 6 months in the county jail, or both. SECTION 3. Defense. In the prosecution and trail of any accused Sasquatch killer the fact that the actor is suffering from insane delusions, diminished capacity, or that the act was the product of a diseased mind, shall not be a defense. SECTION 4. Humaniod/Anthropoid. Should the Skamania County Coroner determine any victim/creature to have been humanoid the Prosecuting Attorney shall persue the case under existing laws pertaining to homicide. Should the coroner determine the victim to be an anthropoid (ape-like creature) the Prosecuting Attorney shall proceed under the terms of this ordinance. BE IT FUTHER ORDAINED that the situation existing constitutes an emergency and such this ordinance shall become effective immediately upon its’ passage. REVIEWED this 2nd day of April, 1984, and set for a public hearing on the 16th day of April, 1984, at 10:30 o’clock A.M. Note: Became law on April 16th 1984. Note that this was reviewed on April 2nd. Maybe an April Fool's joke. The first DNA sample that was sent to the FBI for analysis was submitted on April 1st. Be alert. Section 1 is fluffy foo-foo. And then there is Section 3: SECTION 3. Defense. In the prosecution and trail of any accused Sasquatch killer the fact that the actor is suffering from insane delusions, diminished capacity, or that the act was the product of a diseased mind, shall not be a defense. ( where is the fun in that? ) I would have thought that 'insane delusions', 'diminished capacity' and 'diseased mind' would cover all the bases. And section 4 deals with homicide. Don't even think of dragging the body across county lines. Back in the 90's, a warm and fuzzy attempt was made to make Sasquatch the Washington State animal / mammal. Did not fly.

Can we call it the asteroid fine? I am thinking at least 5000 dollars and 50 hours of community service!

^^^^ I think I said it up-thread, but maybe worth repeating ... as I understand the ESA listing process, you can't have something listed as endangered until science accepts that it exists. A person can argue "should" all they want, I think that is an unavoidable fact that has to be dealt with realistically, not wishfully. MIB

https://www.clyx.com/books/blake/anecdotes_of_the_american_indians/the_idol_of_the_peorias_from_an_old_traveller.htm Here’s a story I’ve never seen before, I read it in an old book and then found it online. I’m thinking this dates to the mid-late 1700’s, the Peorias moved west of the Mississippi after the French and Indian War in 1763. The gist of it is ‘Old Traveller’ visited an Indian village where they kept a creature they found in the woods, it comes to an unfortunate end and he secures the remains and turns it over to a collector in France. …Judge of my astonishment, for this is the picture of their Manitou: his head hung upon his breast, and looked like a goat’s; his ears and his cruel eye were like those of a lynx, with the same kind of hair; his feet, hands, and thighs were in form something like those of a man. “The Indians found him in the woods, at the foot of a ridge of mountains… Not exactly a BF description, but no neck and humanoid shape caught my attention. If true what else could it be? …so that it was strangled. I got it instantly dissected, in order to bring it to France, where its skeleton is now in the cabinet of natural history of M. de Fayolles… Who knows what may have fallen into human hands in the past only to be forgotten/misidentified and tossed aside, or destroyed.

I am just getting warmed up. I wanted to make a post on St. Patricks' day but was blocked by the new firewall. The M18 Motorway in Ireland has one of the famous Hawthorn Trees. Score: Fairies 1, science 0. The delay cost extra tax payer dollars and about 10 years behind schedule. The tax payers approved the extra money to move the motorway project. That Hawthorn Tree is considered to be a portal for the Kerry / Munster Fairies and the Cannaught Fairies to do battle. That portal is their link to the 'Otherworld'. Portals. Why is it portals? This forum has a lot of members in Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland. Places of deep history and high strangeness. I want to know more about the 'Grey Man' and 'Selkies'.

And I would have to agree with you to a certain extent. On one hand I think they have been doing fine without our help for hundreds of years. But I also think that with "discovery" comes, as you say, public concern and funding that would enable preservation and deep study. I'm sure that if physical proof came to be, there would be hunters out trying to score a Squatch (imagine the taxidermist bill). But for the most part, I think the species would be better off.

Sasquatch does find you, no question about it, but you have to put yourself in a spot for that opportunity to occur. E. 42nd St and Park Ave (Grand Central Station) won't produce the desired results. I would say deep woods aren't a necessity but being in areas that have access to wilderness isn't a bad idea. Those who endeavor to go sasquatching will eventually get frustrated unless being in the woods itself is the fun part. Knowing wilderness survival, and practicing it, along with wilderness navigation techniques help to reduce concerns about getting injured or lost. Never too old to learn nor ever too busy to participate unless life's responsibilities or other more desirable activities tug harder at your coattails. Half the battle is just getting out there.

Getting started as an adult can be difficult. You need some friends, a mentor. Consider taking some .. I hesitate to call them "classes", maybe seminars is a better word .. from someone like REI to get you roughly familiarized with camping. Then when you are comfortable enough, try going out with a group like BFRO. It is not for everyone but .. y' gotta start somewhere. I know some people who go on such trips who "camp" inside their cars which reduces the amount of gear needed.

Getting some warmer Spring weather, here are a few pics from recent hikes......3 interesting impressions, recent harvesting of Cattails, Deer skull placed in plant, and some weird poop that glowed in the dark - very strange.

Welcome unlikely knot, Wend, Coyote138, and Alvan. Welcome Drwinter; I hope you had a good time at the Honobia Bigfoot Festival.

I dug into my files and found some old research that elaborates on a few animal reactions to naturally occurring infrasound. Explains why no animals died in the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami. The underlying merit of the paper is safety. Infrasound is difficult to impossible to attenuate. There has been research on reducing wind noise with 8lb polyurethane foam. Perhaps a hat made from 8lb polyurethane foam topped with tin foil 'Devo' style. https://www.ndt.net/article/ultragarsas/Vol.64-No.3-2009_06-Guzas.pdf

I disagree profoundly. At the very least sasquatches would react to game cams just like all other large mammals, and that would span the spectrum. I've got moose pics of them at bear bait sites (itself an example of extreme curiosity) with their noses at the lens. Bears regularly inspect my cams. Squirrels do it. Birds do it. I've got cam pics of people holding travel cups up to the lower part if their face to disguise their identity while examining my cam. On the other hand, I've got cam pics at my bait sites of every species of local fauna you can imagine (including a wolverine) just doing their thing ignoring the camera. Agreed. There it is. This explains other all other aspects of the phenomenon, too.

Freeman was not a hoax... he wanted to make a set of feet for testing and to determine the weights based on depth of the prints he was finding and it was taken out of context...that has long been put to bed but yet some always bring it up. Heres an article on the juvenile, if you view the original you can see it. http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/bigfoot_video/freeman_bigfoot.php