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https://abcnews.go.com/International/jane-goodall-famed-primatologist-anthropologist-conservationist-dead-91/story?id=109868347 Back doc brought this to my attention. Rest in peace Jane!🙏🏻

I would suggest a home range model with a nomadic cycle of following resources completely every 2 to 3 weeks ( obviously deviating enough down from lasting snow ) along box-canyons and or benches that follow streams and smaller river pathways. This area would be chosen based on the ability to remain hidden, thermoregulation and browsing/hunting along the way. My data indicates constant movement cycle within a territory, they seem to hang in an area for not much longer than 3 or 4 days ( there have been certain months in certain areas that are exception ) and they basically travel for a day to another resource area along a known routine and hang out for a few days and so on, eventually they follow this general path all the way back around to the starting line and repeat but constantly flexing the path ( within 1 or 2 miles of bandwidth outside of direction of intended travel ) according to need or human activity. This model prevents patterning by prey and humans, prevents over browsing and resource devastation, explains the indifference and frequency of road crossing reports and provides a schedule that allows for gauging future resources to avoid scarcity periods. I plan on doing a thread thoroughly explaining it all in-depth in the near future.

I packed spray for my cook tent in remote hunts. Weight and bulk weren't concerns (I use a off-road rig to get out there), and the thought was that it might work on a young, curious bear, negating the need to kill it. The social jury here in Alaska is that it might work on such bears, but that, too, depends on the bear. One friend has a bee hive on his deck (insanity where he lives up Eagle River valley). Sure enough, he got a bear on his deck, but instead of a thousand pound brown bear, it was a small black bear. He stepped out and shooed it away. In a few minutes it came back. He stepped out with the shotgun and fired a round into the air. It ran off, and in a few minutes it came back. He loaded a bean bag round in it and shot the bear on the fanny. It takes off............and in a half hour, is back. Finally, he puts it down with a slug. He calls the Troopers to report a DLP, and a Trooper shows up, throws it into the back of his pickup, and drives off. Didn't make my friend skin it out or even fill out the DLP report. Would spray have worked better? Dunno. Maybe the bear would have been uncomfortable enough to learn something. Since it was a young, small bear, it might have educated him and saved his life for a decade or so. But, then, maybe not. But my friend had walls between him and the bear and daylight outside, which gave him plenty of safety to decide what to do. A bear in the night while you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag inside a tent? That's a whole different scenario. Like this guy: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=15821 Sorry. AFAIC, that guy wasted too much ammo (ie, >1 round) on warning shots. I'd have shot that sasquatch as sure as sin, then sat with my back against a rock wall until daylight and ready to shoot more of them. There is absolutely, positively no way I'm going out into the wilderness without at least two firearms: a rifle and a sidearm.

A narrative that is not factually true is often made up for entertainment purposes.

Interested in mysteries, monsters and cryptids. I saw the PGF in the local cinema in 1967. In recent years studied the available research progress. Wrote it off as fantasy. Then with more available evidence and having family members say they have observed the creatures. I am open to the creatures existence or at the least extinct creatures. Some Footprints seem to be unexplainable as fraud. The Patterson film subject appears virtually impossible to be a mime in a suit.

You are 100% correct. The NPS knew of his games over 13 years (not 8) in Kaflia Bay and allowed it to continue. So did the air taxi operator, who should have faced charges, AFAIC.

I'll add another layer of complexity to this. If Bigfoot are a real species, they could exist as a meta-population. As a meta-population they live in small, mostly isolated groups distributed over patches of forest areas. These groups are highly mobile, moving among these forest patches (across hundreds of miles) and occasionally running into other groups for breeding. In the case of Bigfoot, they may even exchange information in some way — for example, avoid that forest to the south because deer are sick or the water is bad or the BFRO is there or whatever. This isn't a new theory. I got the idea from a 2006 article on the Indian Gray Wolf, but the concept is frequently employed in ecology. Meta-population view of Bigfoot would explain: Sightings in non-remote places and roadsides Low inbreeding despite living in small groups Sightings in areas that may lack sufficient resources to survive over long periods Bigfoot sometimes reported taking farm animals (as they move between habitats) Overestimation of pop size, as the same animal is witnessed in widely different places near the same time Not seeing a Bigfoot when visiting a place where one or more were recently witnessed A meta-population of Bigfoot will likely be affected by the USDA removing 112 million acres of forests… which is equivalent to 175,000 sq miles, which is more than the size of California. Certainly this would not happen in one place, but it's likely that each forest management area will be reduced significantly enough to affect wildlife cover and food sources. I doubt this would be a thinning out of a forest, because that’s just not cost effective. It’ll be large swaths of biodiverse forest areas, and replanting will either not happen or will lack in plant diversity and become dead spots for wildlife. I’m not a hunter or camper but this is my main concern about this USDA initiative. Maybe someone with forest experience on BFF has a more optimistic assessment and can relieve my anxiety (or link me to a post in that other thread). Oh, and for any conspiracy theorists, perhaps the national forest system was created originally to support a meta-population of Bigfoot. An argument could be made, actually.

If I ever heal up? I think a snow bike would be an amazing research tool. We obviously cannot keep up on foot. But a snow trackway being followed on a snow bike is sure to produce results. You cannot go straight up the mountain like a sled, but you can finesse your way through almost anything. They are dropping into creek bottoms I would never consider with a sled. Throw a drone in a backpack? I don’t think Sasquatch escapes without being seen, filmed, whatever. These things go any where.

I have seen no convincing data to suggest they as a population go all the way to the coast here in the PNW, I do find good data to suggest they come down in elevation. We have had activity in December, January, February, March and April here at various locations in WA. The below video is a fair example ( I personally went to this location a few years ago based on a number of winter reports including this track find, I was able to get in touch with the investigator who was on the scene at the time. ), the tracks came from up above ( small knobs and benches on the slope side at about 2200ft on the high end ) on the west side of Shannon Lake and Baker Lake that are both loaded with miles and miles of thick/marshy timber patches that are tough to hunt and penetrate. They came from the timber uphill and both jumped off a rock ledge over 12 feet up to get down to the edge of that community, they crossed the road and went up onto someone's porch and got into a charcoal grill likely out of desperation looking for food ( fat drippings ? ). I don't remember at the moment where they retreated to but it was generally back into timber up slope. Here is a side angle photo of the terrain and direction the prints came from, everything below the blue line would all be winter habitat under my theory. This would not encompass the entire space they use but rather a section of the loop or cycle they likely run along. The Gold pin in the back end of the photo is separate encounter report from years later in late November. For full context and accuracy I will note that this trackway from what we could gather is legitimate but after the investigation, word got around the community and someone got back in touch and with another trackway soon after and that trackway was clearly hoaxed and fabricated, the prints looked nothing like the original tracks and showed no dexterity of the foot or toes, lacked any of the athleticism and started in stopped at highly questionable places. They seem to hold up in very difficult and hard to access locations and move in changing weather conditions from one low human activity area to another.

Well it certainly doesn’t bode well for the person in Illinois claiming a family of Sasquatch live on his 50 acre wood lot all year long. But I don’t think they are that populous. And also that their activities probably fall through the cracks and are attributed to something else. Lastly? If they are as smart as say an Orangutan? Orangutans pick locks, know sign language and can paddle a boat. Surely Sasquatch could be rather cunning. And they probably know that sustained contact with humans is unhealthy. So they stay nocturnal, take only what they need and keep moving.

This is what bothers me. First, FWIW, I made a chart for my own edification comparing biological facts about common animals. As I got all of this information off the web, I am certain that it is highly accurate & not subject to question. Somewhere, I found an estimate that Cro-Magnon, Neaderthals, and paleo-Indians required 4,800 calories per day and moose required 9,700 calories per day. The data I found for other large animals is just in poundage - 10-20 pounds of food per day for elk, 30 pounds per day for grizzly bears, 35 pounds for black bears(?), and 30-45 pounds for gorillas. What bothers me is that if Bigfoot is an omnivore, and if Bigfoot is as populous in the eastern US as some believe, why aren't they eating farmers out of house and home? Deer do it, groundhogs do it, foxes and coyotes prey on chickens, and such ... why wouldn't a bigfoot settle down near a nice big corn or potato or squash field and simply strip mine it for a day or two, then move on. That problem occurs with other biological animals, why doesn't it occur with Bigfoot?

The mountains and inland plateaus of BC get heavy accumulations of snow, but the coastal valleys only get a few snow days a year, usually followed by enough rain to melt it away quickly. Most sightings in BC, Wa. and Ak. occur in those coastal valleys. The only Sasquatch trackway I ever found was in late spring snow, crossing a pass over a ridge between two river valleys. I believe they stay below the snowline as much as possible, just as the majority of big game does.

My take on this is that they use very similar resources as black bears do, and we have thousands of those here in BC. The only real difference from bears' needs is having to forage in winter, which bears avoid by hibernating. Sasquatch is supposed to be pretty intelligent, so presumably plans ahead by stockpiling food for the winter needs, such as nuts and tubers, which store well.

I think that is a part of the picture, maybe all of it depending on locale. My own area is very seasonal .. main time, late summer, with a couple data points in mid July which could be outliers or could represent a second, smaller, pass-through. Behavior is pretty different up there when it is "busy" and I suspect there is something "special" going on. That area spends winter under 5-10 feet of snow with nothing to eat but snow and tree bark. They are elsewhere. A friend works on a ranch at the bottom of a deep valley in the other direction. Off and on snow but nothing seasonal .. and no downhill for food to migrate way towards. He says they have low level activity year around with occasional flurries of greater activity. His explanation is that there is a very small permanent population (seemingly akin to what you describe) which act as a "rear guard" making sure that that spot is safe for the traveling groups to temporarily occupy as they pass through. I've followed up on a number of reports there and out maybe 10 miles in each way. I can't say that the explanation is right or wrong but I can say it certainly seems to fit the observations.

I have not read all the posts up to this point but I think it is difficult to calculate pounds of material because the caloric density per gram can vary greatly. We also can't measure metabolic rate with Sasquatches necessarily as what you eat at what time can change the rate itself. In mammals the metabolic rate is effected by sun exposure, temperature, stress and sleep. Sasquatches do not seem to be pot-bellied ( fermentation gut adapted ) and seem to consume a lot of direct protein when compared to gorillas. I would say that they focus on nutrient dense food heavily in the fall and again in the spring, sources heavily would lean toward insects, small critters, nuts, tubers, salmon, ungulates, fruits, lichens, mushrooms and softer plant leaf material. Just a side note, I am very convinced that omegas are likely the most important need to the Sasquatch, big brains demand them and this would explain the continued historic references in native cultures that sasquatch can become fairly confrontational in situations such as pulling salmon nets and invading smoke houses. I have also noted that Sasquatch reports do often happen on a regular basis close to large tracts of masting nut trees. I suspect they target certain foods at certain times and try to conserve energy, the few long trackways on record seem to indicate very focused directional travel as if they have a point B in mind. If I had to guess with what little I know from reading, behavior and looking for feeding sites I would say someplace between 7500 to 1000 calories split between 30% fat, 30% carbs, and 40% protein averaged across the year cycle. That is my 2 cents and again I don't have a whole lot of confidence yet in my view here but it is where I am at, critics are welcome. It would be interesting to see what the metabolic consumption of the Chinese snub nosed monkey is throughout the year as a comparison as they have a wide range diet and endure some fairly cold conditions following the snowline.

Back to the original question. NorthWind and I once investigated a sighting location at a lake camp. A (presumably) old sasquatch with a limp was seen dumpster diving numerous times. I'd guess scavenging, eating roadkill and pets kept outside would be much easier than taking a human. I would bet they have an idea, that if one of us goes missing, multitudes more will show up searching, which bodes ill for them. And, yes, I do think they are that intelligent.

Here's one time:

Well, then, the answer is clearly NO, and that has absolutely nothing to do whith critters. I'm proof of that. My many brushes with death were primarily the elements, not aggressive animals. Partners in the field can save your life.............but they can also shoot you accidentally, which happened to me as well. In fact, my trips into the Bush went primarily solo in the early 2000's because my partners became too dangerous, needy, or just plain intolerable, and I felt safer without them............until I damned near killed myself a few times. It's just dangerous out there, and sasquatches are the very least of my worries (except Alaska has no snakes, so I don't worry about them at all, and I'm very thankful).

I'm reducing travel, even to Anchorage, to only-if-necessary. Last winter, just hours after arriving in Vegas, I was in a situation where I had my hand on my weapon and was ready to shoot. The thugs drove away. Another very strange and suspicious character loitered nearby during and after this confrontation. Later, miles away in a rural area and right after bedding down in the motorhome, "somebody" started jiggling the door knob (turned out to be a cow licking the door knob). In both cases, I can't imagine feeling better about the situations with the equivalent of a bean bag round. Times are tense. I kinda' like it here. I think I'll just stay home until Mrs. Huntster forces the issue.

Those are a lot of questions to unpack. Any wild animal that is desperately trying to survive old age or serious injury would likely be dangerous to humans as without weapons we are the most helpless critters in the forest/jungle. (Except for pandas, of course. Seriously, google panda videos and ask yourself how these animals actually survive in the wild....) In going through old newspapers, I've run across several articles where tigers, elephants, bears, and wolves were said to hunt/injure humans out of "hate." As Silverback and Huntster state, yes, a wild animal (Bigfoot) is likely to act like other wild animals. As to the questions about whether certain national parks are dangerous and what specific cases involve, there is no end of information in threads such as the missing 411 thread at As to what kind of firearm (not necessarily a pistol) to carry in the backwoods, several members of the Forums who have extensive backwoods experience have offered opinions at this thread. Between the two threads, that's over 50 pages of discussion on most of the substance asked about. As to the "should people go out and do dumb things?" question, No. They shouldn't. But that didn't stop some guy from camping out with grizzlies because "they were used to him" or a New Jersey hiker from going up in the Adirondacks in shorts and a t-shirt without adequate food, warm clothing, and other survival stuff, and they both died even without help from Bigfoot.

I grew up spending 2 weeks every summer in that area. There was a small lake we could walk to, about 15 minutes away. I've never in my life had the creeped out being watched feeling that I had at that lake, and it happened many times there. I also saw a black mass running up stream as we drove past a creek and it was running up stream as fast as we were driving, but I was 11 or 12 years old and just chalked it up to being a bear. Not so sure now. There is massive open country up there. Thanks for sharing.

Academics like @hvhart or @Darby Orcutt might have a reference. Henner Fahrenbach?

I recall another story, again I think from Peter Byrne (therefore, in a book, not a researchable internet source) where a sasquatch was hanging out near a camp for disabled kids somewhere in south-central BC. Eventually, a camp administrator, counselor, or employee (I can't remember which) sat still by a campfire one night as the sasquatch approached to within a few feet. The guy wasn't even armed. I have no doubt whatsoever that these creatures could respond well to body language, especially the females.

Yeah, I could be quite satisfied with close up, intimate video and documented narrative from a researcher like Goodall or Fossey who lived with a family of sasquatches, but yeah, humanity can't stop there. Better to just leave them alone, just like my Daddy said so long ago.............

Dr. Meldrum's obituary: https://www.wilksfuneralhomes.com/obituaries/don-meldrum

Absolutely. So called "mainstream" science and DOTGOV are never going to recognize or protect them until a PUBLICIZED actual body that is open to be studied by multiple primatologists, anatomists, forensic anthropologists, taxonomists, etc without interference from ANY government agency. Had I not seen one, I would be convinced by the extant evidence, that a living bipedal relict hominin was present in North America. 1. The P-G Film / Freeman Film 2. The footprint evidence 3. Credible eyewitness reports 4. Meldrum, Krantz, Steenburg, Dahinden, Bindernagel collectively and ALL their work 5. The collective Native American and First Nations cultural agreement that they have been a fact throughout their cultural memory Those are just the top five...but what I KNOW, and what I SAW, and what has convinced ME means absolutely diddly squat to 99.9999999999999999% of other people and what I believe, think, or have become convinced of shouldn't mean squat, and honestly I don't care because I am not personally trying to convince anyone else. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it to be proven to the mainstream in order for them to be officially and protected as a REALLY FREAKIN COOL North American Megafauna. I don't care if they are proven to be a great ape, a hominin, an adapted gorilla, or whatever. But to get there...we need honest, open, collegial, and courteous dialog. If you get to know me, you will learn I am absolutely the MOST non politically correct human being on the planet...but...I am "diplomatic" when it is appropriate. I always ask "Why?" or "What led you to that conclusion?" so I can gain insight to whether someone thinks, feels, believes, or is convinced about X Y Z. It's the cop turned lawyer in me. too many people conflate what they THINK with what they actually FEEL when they say "Well, I think...." they actually mean "Well, I feel..." so we need precision in our language and discussions amongst ourselves and a lack of Renee Dahinden emotion when evaluating evidence. Like I have said before. I am here to learn and discuss. Thanks for having me.

Todd Standing's latest photgraphic evidence.

Les Stroud has posted on his Kickstarter page for supporters of his new Bigfoot show, the following. "Hearts have been broken throughout the Sasquatch community with the loss of our dear friend Jeff Meldrum. I have the unfortunate, honour of having conducted the last ever interview with him and it was by chance, a compelling long form discussion on all things Sasquatch and so I will remain honoured to include it in our film. He went places he rarely goes with the direction of the chat. You will also get it from me in its full version as a separate interview. Jeff was a legend and a gentleman and a very generous and giving individual. He was a titan in the research world of relic hominids." So there's hope to see the man one more time in this pending feature. Les is fortunate for that opportunity and sounds like he's grateful and wants to do it justice.

I got out for a solo run on Sunday afternoon to the Bear Creek watershed on the east side of Harrison Lake. The weather was mild and broken clouds, until I reached the summit of the east ridge of the valley, when the wind picked up and brought in cold showers. Of course, I didn't take any pictures on the way up, so all I captured was cloudy views of the lake, 4600' below. The only signs of wildlife were some deer tracks, bear scat, a few squirrels, and 1 skunk, but it was refreshing to get out in the mountains after a few weeks in town.

I often wonder why some people are interested in Sasquatch/Bigfoot. Personally, I had no interest in the subject, or any cryptid subject past seeing "In Search Of" when I was in grade school, or "the Legend Of Boggy Creek" when it played as the second feature at a drive in when I was in high school, and to me it was nothing more than a low budget "Mockumentary". I played baseball, threw the discus and shot in track, and had a full class load and none of it was on my radar. I hunted, fished, and did all the outdoor activities we could do in Michigan. I was born in Arizona, but went to high school in Michigan and lived with my maternal grandparents and even the idea that Sas/BF would even BE in Michigan, let alone Arizona was nonsense to me. I came back to Arizona, literally the day after I graduated from high school and worked once again for my paternal grandfather on the family ranch and at his Chevron station while I got ready for college at University of Arizona in Tucson. This was 1985. College went by, and I went year round and graduated in three years. I went to work as a police officer and used my vacation time every year to go to Michigan to deer hunt with my maternal grandfather. On November 13th, 1993 I had a face-to-face encounter. In one second, I went from 0 to 100 in the "not interested to knowing they exist" scale. I only ever talked about it with my grandfather because back then my job or anyone associated with it would have thought I was nuts. Even if they would have believed that I BELIEVED I had an encounter, they would have given me a rubber gun and a plastic badge and stuck me in the evidence room. So, I kept quiet about it for YEARS and packed it DEEP down in a box in my mind and never thought about it. But, my relationship with the outdoors had changed. I still fished, but I didn't hunt in Michigan anymore, I only hunted in Arizona and then only in the desert. Any time I went to the mountains in northern Arizona and was out of Prescott, Flagstaff, or Show Low...I was uneasy. I wasn't even uneasy about Sas/BF...I was just finding myself looking behind every tree like I was working a felony warrant, or clearing a building on an active alarm call. Then all the internet sites and documentaries and all the information became available on the internet and I started following the work of Dr Krantz, Dr Meldrum, Dr Sarmiento, John Green, John Bindernagel, Renee Dahinden, and Thomas Steenburg because they all appealed to my "Just the evidence" cop brain. I still didn't talk about it though. I sifted through a LOT of chaff and sensationalism and the "woo" and read all the books I could but STILL didn't talk to anyone about my encounter because I still thought people would think I had stepped out of my mind. It was getting bad though, I was starting to have nightmares and almost like a PTS over the encounter. I had been in lethal force incidents during my career and none of them affected me the way this had. Finally, I decided I needed to talk to someone so I talked to a counselor who specialized in PTS who was independent of the department. I hadn't retired yet, so I was still keeping my piehole shut to anyone else. I did the counseling, went back to Michigan where the encounter happened to face "my own ****", finished law school while I was recovering from a line of duty injury before I retired, and once I retired felt like I had put it behind me. But still....I didn't talk to anyone about it outside of the counselor I had seen. It was like..."Okay, dealt with". Then I heard Kerry Arnold on a podcast talking about his own encounter and it was like he was telling my own story. The time and place were different, but from an intellectual and emotional perspective...it was almost like a catharsis for me. The whole phenomena was still generally full of recondite information and speculation and the two ends of the spectrum from the "strictly zoological to the woo" seemed to be having continual clashes over who owned Sasquatch. Still, I kept my mouth shut until I finally had a talk with Kerry and he and I spent about four hours on the phone and he and I "trauma bonded" over our experiences, but I STILL didn't want to talk about it outside a very, very, very small group. He hadn't started his own podcast yet and I was retired from the department but was working at a law firm so STILL didn't want to come out of the woods in a public forum. Kerry encouraged me to put it on paper, so I did and eventually shared it and felt a weight come off my shoulders even though I took a bit of troll heat and then of course was contacted by some people who I thought were more than a little nutty telling me how they were "raising a bigfoot infant" and all sorts of other things that my mind as an "open minded skeptic" without corroborative evidence found hard to....buy into. But what I did do was start going to places like OR, WA, NorCal, ID, etc where high clusters of sightings had occurred and started hanging out camping with my dogs and just being something to MAYBE attract some curiosity. I couldn't do a lot of roaming because I have two artificial knees and an artificial hip due to my former career, so being a field researcher was out and hauling my horse across country was impractical. So, I don't consider myself a researcher, just a curious KNOWER who is at the point where I don't care if anyone believes me, what happened happened, and I don't even care if the "world at large" ever believes or if a specimen is ever taken to "prove" it to mainstream science or to force "da gub'ment" and "big timber and tourism money" to admit it. So, that's why I care, or I am interested in new credible evidence...for my own satisfaction and my own continued learning. Sorry about the long post, you can wake up now and flame away if you want to...but I'm curious....why are YOU interested?

Back in 2012, I exchanged whistles and knocks with something in the woods at my kids summer camp out in the Oregon woods. In 2018, my old dog and I kept finding frosty, barefoot prints at a lake. It intrigued me mightily. I met up with Tobe Johnson, and he taught me a few things about the species. For the next several years, NorthWind and I tramped all around the Oregon woods, eventually seeing two on FLIR on July 5, 2020 and one in a daylight, distant sighting in October 2020. I've spent this summer honing my backpacking and kayaking skills in preparation for multi-day adventures soon, and have upgraded some equipment. I used to care what people thought about my sightings, print finds, and audio, but now? Well, they exist and I've seen them. That's reality, and if someone can't acknowledge that or understand it, then that's on them; not my problem. They are free to believe what they wish, but I KNOW.

A lot has been said here about Zana, not all of which is accurate. Everyone should read the attached definitive article on the genetics, which goes way beyond the Sykes study.Advanced Genetics - 2021 - Margaryan - The genomic origin of Zana of Abkhazia.pdfAdvanced Genetics - 2021 - Margaryan - The genomic origin of Zana of Abkhazia.pdf

I don't know if "da gub'ment" allows Sasquatch to "harvest" people in National Forests....but I would certainly allow for the possibility that DotGov is aware of incidents where humans have been taken and possibly consumed in the same way that any other predator would if presented with an opportunity for an easy chunk of toothless, clawless, slow moving protein and for economic and political reasons keeps it quiet. Then the question of WHY? I have a theory that as the logging, outdoor, tourist, and camping (equipment) business is nearly a TRILLION dollar per year business and all the tax revenue FROM those businesses TO the government would be in the area of $300 BILLION. Roll that into all the special interests, lobbyists, and money flowing into the coffers of politicians, then there's one hell of a motive for silence on the part of DotGov and the politicians who benefit. Look at the timber industry....if Sasquatch was undeniably proven to exist...body, live capture, roadkill...whatever, the ensuing protection of the species in prime timber areas would halt that industry and cost billions alone. So, there's another billion or so reasons why a lid would be kept on the whole subject as far as DotGov is concerned. "Oh no, nothing to see here, pay no attention to the hairy biped behind the tree". Why would a National Park be a "center of exploitation" for the Sasquatch? Guns and hunting are generally prohibited in National Parks and I am convinced that they are well aware of what a gun or a bow can do EVEN if they have no cognitive ability on par with a great ape, just by seeing a BOOM stick drop a deer they would accrue a fear of guns or bows....I know plenty of dogs, horses, and even coyote that are scared to death of guns and they are not on par with a primate or relict hominid. So...easy pickins in the National Parks. Let me just sum up my personal opinion with "Hell, I wouldn't be the least little bit surprised" at anything DotGov would do.

Cannibalism proof is almost 1.5 million years old from Spain. https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/scientists-discover-what-could-be-the-oldest-evidence-of-cannibalism-among-ancient-human-relatives Technically with Sasquatch not being a Homo Sapien? It’s not cannibalism. But primates do eat other primates. 1) Incorrigible touched on Chimps eating human babies. But they also actively hunt monkeys. 2) There was a giant baboon (I posted a link in the campfire section) that was a predator of human ancestors. 3) The hobbit on the island of Flores was reported to steal human babies to eat. If Sasquatch is strictly a plant eater like a Gorilla? Then we are probably safe other than some territorial or defensive response. But if Sasquatch scavenges meat? Or actively hunts? All bets are off. It may be triggered by the circumstance like being alone, hurt, etc. So it may be rare? But not wise to discount. I think everyone knows how I feel about the 411 books. So I won’t start a fight here about it. But it’s my personal opinion that yes it does happen and it’s logical to think that it does. A 800 lbs boss of the woods isn’t going to ask for permission for much. And just like Timothy Treadwell? After 8 seasons of a death wish? Enter one old male Griz that wasn’t having a good fishing season. And that’s where it ended. Modern humans every time we get hungry we go open the fridge. If it’s empty we go to the store. We are very very far removed from the “eat or be eaten” paradigm that Mother Nature operates. And this also probably why most Bigfooters see Bigfoot as some Forest Shaman. Just as Timothy Treadwell thought that Bears were just big teddy bears. Well….that worked until it didn’t. As a woodsman since I was a child? The biggest piece of advice I can give anyone? Animals are individuals, just like us. They have likes and dislikes and dispositions, just like us. Yes you can generalize and say most of the time in this situation the creature will do X or Y. But you dang well be ready for the curve ball. Ask Timothy Treadwell. Ask rodeo fans why there is a bull in the bleachers. Ask Steve Irwin. Ask the tourists in Yellowstone. Be safe folks!

Excellent event report. I'm always impressed with your YouTube videos as well, Nathan. I appreciate the video.

Back on topic, always interesting The late great Branco started this one way back and included a lot of information about feeding behaviors and geographic patterns, at least in the South where he documented BF a great deal.

Let’s leave the supernatural talk for the supernatural section please! Thanks! 👍

Jane Goodall was with Mary and Louis Leakey at Olduvai Gorge. She switched to behavior and studied apes and chimps and others. An amazing life.

Here is one looking for grubs.

It seems to me that somehow there should be established a bank of all these DNA results that come up as human contaminated, and unknown primate,such that over time there would accumulate enough samples to begin a systematic comparison . it seems like every time such results are arrived at that's the end of it. The samples are destroyed and the results dismissed. Sure, theres no real centralized unknown primate DNA analysis center, but there must be a way to obtain the direct data of the studies(ie genetic markers present in sample, or not present, for that matter) I dont know what it costs to complete a genome mapping, but it seems like they are getting done for more and more species, maybe its time to try it on a couple of these unknown primate sample. Eventually these samples will begin to fall into groups with shared traits or similarities. Are there anything like this already in existence? Ones that included a variety of different regions samples? I can't say what Dr Disotell does with the data he sees sample by sample, It seems like Dr Sykes threw out half at the get go then destroyed the rest after he proclaimed the resurgence of the Himalayan grizzly(or was it a polar bear) It just strikes me there's bound to be distinctive commonalities within all these samples , which if fully charted out could at least lend itself to some degree, towards some form of classification or taxonomic placement, or at least "oh yeah, that goes in that pile over there..." Of course this is presuming the government doesn't grab up any samples of significance and already "doesn't have any such data bank whatsoever! Thank you very much"!

I agree with you that there is a massive coverup. My point of contention is whether these crafts are extraterrestrial or extradimensional. Extraterrestrial vs extradimensional — short, useful definitions Extraterrestrial = something that exists elsewhere in our universe’s space–time (another planet, star system, galaxy). It’s still subject to the same physical laws (speed of light, conservation of energy, etc.). Extradimensional = something that exists in a different dimension or “brane” (extra spatial dimensions, a different manifold, or some other sector not directly embedded in our 4D spacetime). This is a speculative idea in some theories (string theory branes, higher-dimensions, etc.). Extradimensional entities or pathways are often invoked in fiction because they could — in principle — allow shortcuts that bypass the normal space-time distance constraints. But they are highly speculative and there’s no empirical evidence for accessible extradimensional shortcuts. Key conceptual difference: extraterrestrial = far away but in the same spacetime; extradimensional = potentially outside/orthogonal to our spacetime Bottom line (practical summary) Intergalactic distances are enormous — millions of light years. Even at 0.99c the trip to Andromeda is ~2.6 million years. Energy scales are stupendous — accelerating modest masses to relativistic speeds requires energy comparable to planetary or stellar outputs. Collisions with the interstellar medium at relativistic speeds produce destructive energies per square meter (megaton scale impacts). Shielding against that is hugely mass-expensive. Propulsion and fuel constraints: chemical rockets are hopeless; even nuclear or antimatter options face energy, engineering, and mass-storage problems many orders beyond current capability. Extradimensional/via-new-physics shortcuts remain the only fictional / speculative ways to avoid these constraints — but they rest on physics we don’t have evidence for and typically require exotic, currently unrealizable energy conditions. I used to be in the extraterrestrial camp. I now lean more towards an extradimensional explanation for the UAP/UFO and biological entities we know to exist.

Not exactly. You’re putting the cart in front of the horse. Yes, I think they have remains. But they have obviously decided for whatever reason that they will not allow science to prove it’s existence to the public. And it’s not just our field. Check out the Giants community and the Smithsonian for example. People follow up on old reports of bones and it all leads back to the Smithsonian and a brick wall. And of course the Smithsonian is exempt from the Native American graves act. They don’t have to produce a single thing. Look at how long science clung to the Clovis first theory. And any one claiming that their dig was much older than 12,000 years old was a quack. The wrecked peoples careers over it. They were dead wrong. I still haven’t figured out motive yet. Is it just a knee jerk reaction? Is there some hidden history to the new world they don’t want us to know? I simply don’t know. But I do believe the narrative is slowly eroding away. I think people want the truth. I know I do.

^^ I forgot about the statue possibility. I was driving back from an event I attended and passed a landscaping place that sold the normal panoply of concrete bird baths, benches, and animals in striking poses, all to put in your lawn and make mowing difficult. They had three life size (Bigfoot, not human, life size) concrete Bigfoots. I'd love to know what the comments were in the Facebook group.

I think we are agreeing just in different language. As far as Standing goes....yes, I absolutely believe he faked the "Muppet Videos" as you call them (brilliant name by the way) especially. If I had to put a BS Meter to anything Standing has claimed as real since the video of the alleged creature running up the side of the cliff which if ANYONE other than Standing had introduced I wouldn't suspect it. The one with the black forehead....I allow for the possibility it is genuine, not the probability. As for the rest of his stuff...I don't credit at all as being real. So yes, he has NO credibility and is a definite red flag. PLUS....and this is purely from an LE point of view...I spent 27 years being lied to on a daily basis and if I were interviewing him I would be calling BS if he said it was raining and I was getting soaked. I am absolutely convinced that the P-G film is genuine. Everything about that, especially the enhanced and stabilized versions now available SCREAM "live creature". Standing, I am convinced, is desperately trying to hold onto his "brand" and his cult of followers and I believe he is actively engaged in hoaxing in order to do it.

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To be clear, I am not defending Standing, I am defending Stroud for using Standing as a guide to get into the remote Canadian rockies and for being open minded and making his own judgements on people. Groupthink isn't good and Stroud doesn't do it. That's my point.

MIB suggested that I chime in on this discussion. I've been busy with various pursuits for the last month or so. But I can now 'chime in'... Clarification on the bones is that yes we did find a single bone with both adult and juvenile teeth impressions on it. Other work we have done in the last year also supports the evidence of small family units. We have seen no evidence of large groups. What we have found also shows that when feeding on the meat of an animal, it is done in the location of the kill site. It has been suggested that there should be a swath showing their feeding behavior. In the case of this kind of feeding on meat, it is scattered and not necessarily easy to find. Just as the case is with any other animal kills. The thing is, if bigfoot exists, it has existed in the ecosystem for millenia. Most agree that it is an omnivore. So when we look for that so called swath of feeding behavior how do we know whether it was chipmunks, bears, coyotes or bigfoot that cleaned out that field of huckleberries. What turned all those rocks over looking for insects? Or tore apart those logs and stumps that you find throughout the forest? What browsed all the leaves off the salmonberries and blackberries along that forest edge? Elk, deer, rabbits or just maybe bigfoot? We have found evidence that they feed on larger animals. The argument here is not whether they killed them, although the possibility exists, because we have also found evidence of confiscation of cougar kills. It also appears to be seasonal, late winter and early spring; the lean times in the forest. Just as the aforementioned seasonal feeding of bears on moths. So their diet varies over the year. Some may think there are few animal kills in the forest. In one 30 acre clearcut we found 2 dead elk, a cow and later a calf, in one week's period of time. Both fresh kills. The cow was feed on by 2 bears and went from a whole elk to a pile of bones in three days. Nothing goes to waste in the wild. Within a mile of there was another fresh kill although I couldn't find that one. It was definitely there. The point is the evidence is there but are we able to differentiate and interpret what did it?