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IMO, a thermal detection device would only be useful in sasquatchery in hunting such a creature down or detecting its presence nearby in the dark, but serving such a rokele could be key. Recording a thermal image is just more undeterminable BS to clutter up the evidence bucket with.

I don't think they go anywhere. By now, the deer and elk (aka "bigfoot cheeseburgers" :)) are already in the lowest elevations. The bigfoots will be nearby. They survive winter in the foothills of the Rockies, in the Bitterroots, Alaska / Canada, east slope of the Cascades and just follow the deer and elk herds. There's simply nothing western Oregon has to offer that's comparably challenging. To be what they are, they're biologically adapted to ice age conditions, and they survived that. This, while miserable to us, is likely akin to a day at the beach for them. It is a good time to think about opposites, about adaptations to avoid competition. Like Darwin's finches. We're adapted to shed heat, to be able to run incredibly long distances on open plains in summer sun without overheating. We're in the top 5 species on earth for such adaptation. So what's our opposite? Something that walks on mountains, in the cold, in the dark, without freezing. So it's also a good time to consider the trap of anthropomorphising ... while there are similarities, they're not us, and if we don't keep that in mind, we make mistakes in our expectations. ... or so I think. Best-est guesses. MIB

Your a skeptic on this forum that will attack Prohaska's testimony? But wont put yourself out there on the nuts and bolts of how the hoax was conducted? And now suddenly you wanna stay on topic!? Your a spineless knucklehead. After I get my neck carved on? I plan on getting back in the saddle. And if I see this creature? If it exists? I will shoot it. If not thats fine too. Either way its not "posturing" on a forum. Thats what you ARE Squatchy. A troll posturing on a internet forum. In many ways I feel sorry for you. Im simply exploring a question in my mind in some of the most beautiful scenery on Earth. You? You berate people on a internet forum to inflate your self worth to your buddies on another internet forum. LMAO! As I said pathetic......

Still on the fence? The comments on salmon spawning refer to a category of fish known as 'anadromous'. Anadromous fish live in salt water and spawn in fresh water. You would have a hard time finding a very late run of salmon spawning right now. On the east coast, a popular anadromous fish is the striped bass. Catadromous fish live in fresh water and spawn in salt water. And you have your lake and river types; trout and bass are easy examples. The salmon and steelhead in the Great Lakes are transplants from the PNW. A variety of fish are available in between snacking on deer, bears, other mammals and reptiles.

BTW, when I have to correct my posts for spelling errors (or when I do t catch them), this is probably why... If I'm typing weird, he's probably sitting with me!

Respectfully, while I am new to researching BF, I have over 50 years experience in the woods. That said, I can assure you given the location of at least the one structure we found, and I do mean structure, because it was built, that it would be quite plausible for it to have been assembled at least in part by something intelligent, with hands, and more strength and gumption than I have ever had even in my youth. That something was not a cougar. Nor a deer. Nor a bear. Not a single man. And I would bet my bottom dollar not by a group of men. So, believe what you want. I am not going to convince you, that is obvious. And that is truly fine with me. I have nothing to prove to anyone. I am in this game for selfish reasons. I want to know the truth for myself. I am leaning towards Noel's savant theory.

I suspect well over 50% meat in their diet, maybe upwards of 90%. Look at the abdominal muscles and shape compared to a gorilla. Gorillas' large gut is needed to process enough plant material to extract the necessary nutrients and calories. (This would also be why the trail of plant destruction Norseman hypothesizes is necessary is not found ... because they're not eating plants in similar proportions.) It does not seem to be present in sasquatch based on the reports, instead, they look pretty much like us but bigger. Most of that "bigger" seems to be muscle, not digestive equipment. So, going out on a limb perhaps, I think most of their dietary calories, etc come from meat, and plants are used only to provide specific "stuff" not available, or slightly deficient, in a meat diet. I guess we're going to have to wait to find out. MIB

Remember that the Australopethicenes have modern esque feet. (No divergent big toe) And walked upright. But are not in the genus Homo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus This video shows the evolution of tool making. Our big muscular thumb and strong grip is a result of this practice. Hand and eye coordination is unmatched in the animal kingdom too. And of course the ultimate prize? Giant slabs of bloody red meat that is high in protien and gave us bigger and bigger brains. Our hands were in a arms race with our brains. Creating better and better weapons that eventually lead to our mastery of the planet. Bigfoot either checked out early in this human story? Or was never apart of it. Again, great Apes show human emotions. And are obviously distant cousins. Because tool making is at the core of being Human. And they do not seem to possess anything but the most rudimentary of skills. Despite chimps being much stronger than humans? Their thumbs and the muscle attached is rather pathetic when compared to a Human. Holding and flaking stone tools or gripping a spear shaft is not what their hands are designed for. Their hands are besigned to swing from branches and knuckle walk. Their thumb is there for grasping but not to the level of sophistication ours is.

This springs to mind. Squatchermetrics Published by Squatchermetrics Like This Page · 20 February 2018 · #Sasquatch - Let's talk Arizona. 85 Total Reports, with 11/15 Counties responsible for those Reports. What month is most common for Total AZ Reports ? August What AZ County has the most days of precipitation in August ? Coconino (5) What AZ County receives the most annual precipitation ? Coconino (The Northern portion of the Kaibab National Forest receives more than 20 Inches annually, on par with San Francisco) What AZ County makes up 80% of all Summer Reports (20/25) from the turn of the century ? Coconino What AZ County makes up 100% of Non Visual Reports from August in the last 12 years ? Coconino What AZ County makes up 100% of Actual Visual Reports from August in the last 12 Years ? Coconino Where do you think we should go on vacation this Summer ?

So far as consistency, I come at this from a biology background. I would look for averages, standard deviations, and large enough sample size for the data to be repeatable. If the data is too divergent, I expect it comes from cries for attention, not actual observation. If it is too consistent, I suspect organized hoax. For me, the bigfoot data .. height, hair color distribution, track distribution, etc .. all point to a biological species, not hoax of either sort. Especially given the prolonged timeline. There are consistencies in behavior as well though those are harder to quantify. I really don't know why more biologists are not seeing this consistency and getting curious enough to take a second look. MIB

Date & Time - Monday, February 18, 2019 Weather: 40 and sunny, very nice Location: Nearest landmark would be Cottage Grove Lake, OR What happened: Myself and researcher "D" went back up the road. The gift basket I left with garlic, chocolate and apples is completely gone. It was hidden off the road about 10 feet behind a stump and was not visible from the road. I left more of the same, plus a salt lick. I walked my dog down a road on the other side of the lake, but found nothing of interest except for some pretty rocks.

I’ve come to the conclusion that some here need the PGF to be true exactly as told by Patterson and Gimlin so bad that there is no limit to the mental gymnastics they’ll perform to make it so.

Absolutely! My favoritist cartoon as a kid ever!!!

Yes, you would think so... but that's not how it worked in my experience at least. Bill, I consider you a friend, we have discussed more than a few things in private and we have shared information and ideas as well. I respect your work and opinions always, but I have to say that you are not quite correct on this one. I have worked in a large commercial photo processing facility and as far as I know, you haven't. As I have stated countless times, lab work was highly compartmentalized, each person had a certain specialty. For example: If I am "the guy" running the processor, that's it. I probably know nothing about chemical analysis, chemical mixing, quality control etc. My duty is to put the roll onto the processor (in darkness) and make sure it makes it through to the other end (light). Cross-training? No, not in my experience. The pay level differences could never justify it. If someone was out for whatever reason it meant that you just had to work just that much harder. If a crucial absence occurred the top brass guys would step in. After all that's why they were in their positions. As far as "guys" trained in "helping to run the Kodachrome processor," in my experience that's not the way things went. If a processing person was absent for whatever reason the rest of the crew would have to work twice as hard in order to compensate. I dreaded those times, they were hellish and I still have nightmares about them to this very day. I finally learned my lesson the hard way. After 8 years of employment with my particular lab, they finally had me train a young lady to do my work and I did so enthusiastically thinking that my burden would finally be relieved somewhat. As soon as I had thoroughly trained and certified her, I was called into the office one bright morning and terminated. I know for a fact that she was being paid less than half of my salary. With this as their operational policy, its not surprising to me that this company ceased to exist shortly after my "departure." And so it goes... Perhaps I didn't work for a "good business", but I certainly did learn a lot about life...

I have considered a thread in BIGFOOT RESEARCH GROUPS FORUM AREA . I was way too busy in the past to put something together. Now that I am sort-of-kind-of retired ( R.E.D., Retired Extremely Diabolical ) I may put something together in the near future. Stay tuned.

If I can read HMB's post and the proponents read HMB's post and we come up to two different conclusions, there is no amount of explaining I can do to convince a proponent of my case. Its all literally right there in HMB's post. The only thing I can do is agree to disagree. Proponents can choose to do as they wish. It was pretty clear that Frank does not believe the PGF was processed in Seattle at their facility. I agree with that belief. I'll leave it with these quotes from the source, HMB's post. Frank said, “ Leonard Tall would not risk losing the process for a few hundred bucks by letting someone else other than my team run it. Then, there is no covering up a screw-up”. Frank believed Leonard Tall, the owner, would never jeopardize his considerable investment and Technicolor’s license by allowing the use of the lab outside the confines of the license protocol and agreement. Certainly, any employee caught violating the protocols would be terminated. Frank said the only person other than himself at Technicolor capable of processing Kodachrome film without assistance was his boss Leonard Tall. Frank said he knew Tall well and that Tall would never consider processing a film outside the requirements of the protocol.

Frank Ishihara: Worked in the industry and knows the limitation of development back in 1967. Is fairly confident the film was not developed on a Saturday in the PNW. Skeptics say we must listen to him as what he says somehow proves the PGF is a hoax. Why? Because he is an expert of the era. Jonas Prohaska: Worked in the industry and knows the limitations of 1967 era materials. States the PGF is not a man in a suit. Skeptics tell us we don't have to listen to him even though he is an expert of the era. Interesting isn't it? Look Frank is a learned guy and his opinion deserves respect and consideration. We just need to keep in mind what he is saying and what he is not saying and both sides need to be honest about it. Sadly what we have is what we have as he has passed away. We need to consider many of his thoughts are 30,40 + years after the fact as well. Even though I doubt Frank developed the PGF, did anyone ever ask him outright if he did? If he did, was he really going to say he did even 45-50 years later just before he died?

Fukushima was ancient technology. We have reactors now that are fail safe. And how many deaths are attributed to radiation? ONE. The tsunami killed 2200! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties You seem to be cut from the block that believes technology and the human race is evil. Its completely wrong and backwards. Look at the numbers concerning life span per country. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy People who live in countries without basic services like running water and electricity? Die very young by western standards. Many under 55 years of age.... The only hope any Earth species has of staving off extinction? Is to become a multi planet species. Im sure humans will take other species eventually along for the ride. An Ark if you will for the coming flood. Because we have near Earth objects whizzing past us all the time in this cosmic pinball machine. Our luck will not hold forever.

Nothing would fit in the woodpile, it was just a whole lot of parallel sticks, no space under them. under the other structure was some space. It was up against a huge fallen log parallel to the road car below. Behind it, uphill, I'd say there was 3 feet of so, and up to maybe 8 feet. It was old looking. If it was summer instead of winter, that whole area would be leafy green bushes. Who knows? It just looked weird from the road and those logs didn't grow there.

Twist, I've explained things pretty simple, usin' what Ishihara said on the matter. What was the protocol for developing film on a Saturday ? Could Kodak have required processing film to be a two man job(liability), as described by Ishihara when the two men went in an developed film on a Saturday ? Could Kodak protocol be for the reason Ishihara mentioned .."Working outside lab policies could risk a mistake that would invoke a violation of the license with Kodak." The offer isn't what's important here Twist, what is important an what we're discussin' is could Tall have developed the film that weekend. You can laugh about this or that all you like, but the question remains. Could Tall have developed the PGF on that October weekend ? What...what's that Twist...oh ya, Ishihara said he didn't think Tall would risk loosin' his license by doin' somethin' so risky, but he also said..."..the only person other than himself at Technicolor capable of processing Kodachrome film without assistance was his boss Leonard Tall." ... Is it possible Tall could have developed the PGF that weekend ? Pat... ps: I'm fine with uneven bars...

"basically''...? He hasn't...but you believe he has...an you believe him ! The rest Twist...well...I'll let you be inclined ta fancy what ya like. The claimed leader on the film isn't evidence, it's a claim, nothin' more. The film would have likely shown up in the yellow box it came in. The claimed leader on the film is just that, a claim. As deep as you are willing to dig. You have to remember Twist, it is the skeptic who offers nothin' to the equation besides doubt here. You say you don't think it was filmed on the 20th, give me a day or a place ? Where has Ishihara said that Twist ? He was completely familiar with why all the questions regarding the developin' of the film...where did he say it couldn't have been developed on that weekend ?

So you are saying you would have taken a shot at what you see in this video without fully knowing what it is? Let's drop the "tough" hunter talk for a minute and be completely honest. In the real world, yes or no? Same question in regard to Patty as seen in the film.

I'm completely comfortable with the drop-off in the number of BF sightings reported over the decades. I think it is explained by the fact that there was a tremendous number of unreported encounters at the BFRO database was initiated. The decrease in reports is probably only the result of working through that backlog to bring them more current. The consistency, or congruency in the BF descriptions is made all the more compelling when you realize that the behaviors observed are typical not only of Sasquatch, but also for a myriad of other wild creatures It is a database full of descriptions of an animal doing things that known animals do as well. Manufacturing this degree of biological congruency would be absurdly difficult to hoax.

http://www.photekimaging.com/Support/rptcol2.pdf