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All arguments in regards to the PG film being a hoax are just smoke with no fire in my humble opinion. I will never accept any argument that the PG film was faked since filming a real bigfoot walking will show muscle movement under dirty fur and faking this is not possible today except with AI clever tricks. These clever tricks were not possible during the time the film was shot. Sorry to be a kill joy...........................AI has changed the way that factual videos will be seen and trusted for real. We are at an age where videos can't be trusted and AI generated videos is a clever way to trick a segment of the population. How do well tell real videos from the AI fakes?

We started out with this paragraph below and have diverged with good discussions with writers such as Norseman, Backdoc, Hunster and a few others. "Later footprints are cast which puts the creature on higher steps then a top trusted scientist observes the creature and its level is boosted higher on that path to discovery. Later hair, more scientist observe it, and then motion picture evidence is brought in and the creature reaches higher up on the ladder of discovery which is now more difficult due to artificial intelligence or AI. Does artificial intelligence which raised the bar on photographic evidence. Possibly some creatures have reached step 9, yet a body or living speciment has not been brought in so it stays on step 9. When we put bigfoot on this ladder, a huge percentage of scientist with higher degrees in zoology agree that bigfoot is on what step? What's your opinion? What step do most credited biologist place bigfoot? What step do you place bigfoot and why?" original post" As Norseman stated, Canada's border is filmed and evidence of bigfoot is probably kept, but we don't know the results unless one country or the other offers this evidence to the public. However, proof of bigfoot has been mounting for years with several films of bigfoot being produced such as the "Snow Walker" or the distant view of bigfoot chasing a herd of deer like animals along open grassland. The Patterson Gimlin film is the icing on the cake since AI was not a factor then. Backdoc and Hunster seem to agree that there is some evidence that could be rated on the 1 to 10 scale of proof. However, as Norseman stated we have not reached a 10 when it comes to proof and a bigfoot on a slab is required. I did read a report and saw a sketch from Canada of a bigfoot that was shot and killed by a hunter. So far, we have fallen short of rating bigfoot proof as a 10 or absolute proof. However, there is great disagreement when it comes to how far proof has risen on a 1 to 10 scale. I venture to say we are on step 9 but the Forest Service seems to indicate we are on -1 and claims bigfoot is a mythical creature along with Daffy Duck. I bet the Forest Service has a few biologist who disagree but keep their jobs by remaining silent after monitoring this forum site. A few of them probably monitor this site but stay in the shadows.

Yeah, I was thinking of county sheriffs officers who document their experiences like any other callout. Federal and state officials? Everything is a secret.

I agree that the PGF wins the Oscar as the best sasquatch film of the century, and that is due to two witnesses to the event, excellent exposure of the creature in the open and good lighting, excellent casted prints from the site, visits from independent people fairly soon after the event who also took pictures of the prints, an area featuring numerous reports over the previous 12 years as well as long afterwards, those same casted footprints casted elsewhere in the area, and the fact that the film was film, not digital. #2: The Freeman film. This film features poor visual quality and was filmed by a single witness, but is accompanied with good casted prints. There was poor evidence documentation and no followup with independent investigators, but the original witness featured a long history of sasquatch investigation that exhibited good knowledge of the creatures of that locale. #3: No Further Comment: There are plenty of other films of note (Independence Day Film, Marble Mountain Film, Provo Mountain film, Mission BC film), but none also feature casted prints or film quality even to the Freeman film quality. I now consider digital video useless as evidence. It's too easily manipulated.

I agree with this fully. There are "scientists" who now believe that the homo sapien population on Earth crashed some 900,000 years ago to as few as 1250 individuals. If true, this indicates that a current sasquatch population of a couple thousand individuals might still be a viable species. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-ancestors-nearly-went-extinct-900-000-years-ago/

Just got back from a hike. My left arch is killing me. Old is dumb. Got up to Priest lake yesterday.

The vids you mentioned are not at all impressive to me. If I'm not impressed as a man who is very interested in the subject (esp. as it relates to the PGF primarily) then how can I expect others to be? I don't. They are not. I am not. Like it or not the level of video offered is going to have to be a home-run level. A double or even a tripple won't do. I understand where you are coming from. I have no idea what a population would be. We would both agree if there were 1 million Bigfoot in an area the sightings are going to be more common than if there are only 10. I'm just a regular joe when it comes to actual outdoor experts or hunting experts. I nearly always defer to them on matters which occur outside my front door. It just seems to me you have two issues here: 1) a NEAR EXTINCT number of Bigfoot and 2) a massive area to populate their small numbers. This supports a saying I read on the BFF years ago: "Bigfoot is like the KGB, you don't find them, they find you" These two factors for me just seem to be the most likely reason to explain rare Bigfoot sightings and the difficulty capturing one in a fumbling cell phone camera. No other reason needed. IF the previous assumption you make are true then it is slightly possible the Government would know. However, they wouldn't know any more than lots of non-government agencies and people. Unless Bigfoot is literally an Alien visitor like ET or some science experiment gone awry, I don't see how Bigfoot would be a threat or concern to our national security. Unless it is 1) highlest level of threat and 2) Proven to exist I still don't understand how that Government left Bob Gimlin alive all these years. Maybe they caused Roger to get ill again but they forgot about Bob. They even forgot to seize the PGF on the 1967/19678 USA tour. Watch out Peter Graves. That Memorial Day footage is out there. Other footage it out there. Many of those people haven't been eliminated either. We can both come up with some hunters-shooting-each-other concerns. I would agree. Beyond that, we just have to disagree to some extent. And yet how few times if ever these entities capture a rare animal and so on. Why didn't the government know where millionaire Balloonist Steve Fassett when down in his ballon crash right away? Government isn't all-knowing but they are still darn impressive with their capabilities and keeping us safe for the most part. Still, it took 5,000 volunteers, dogs, and tech. nearly 1 week to find a lost autistic boy lost in a Virgina state park. Massive private and Government entities and it still took a week in a reasonable limited search area. I see no reason there has to be. We might be reading too much into what we think we know and understand about it. Yet, you could be 100% right. This goes into an area I am not as familiar with on those specifics. On the issue of giant skeletons, the few times I have had discussion with people about them, I have yet to meet one who didn't base their consideration of this issue in a religious context. There are other examples I can think of where religious assumptions or traditional or cultural assumption limit a more objective consideration. There are those who think the Vinland Map is 100% authentic. Some believe this based on their belief such a map probably existed and the Viking got here first. Thus, the map has to be real. While they likely did arrive in 900 or 1000AD, this has no bearing on the map.

I can think of many other films besides the PGF. The Freeman footage, the Memorial day footage, Myakka ape photos, heck what about all of Todd Standings footage? There is a mountain of footage out there by amateurs with a camera or now a phone. We are not lacking on footage concerning this subject. Whats fake? Whats not? Thats a different question. But logic dictates that if Bigfoot exists? Then a viable breeding population exists to support these sightings. So then logic also dictates that there is absolutely no way our government doesn’t know about this viable breeding population. We spend 1 trillion dollars a year alone just on defense. Plus every ABC agency that is capable of surveillance on our borders and coastlines. Border Patrol for example. And they are trained to target bipedal figures crossing our borders illegally. They are not going to notice a 8’ Sasquatch crossing the border at night? No way. There has to be sealed vaults of stacks of footage or they are simply destroyed or erased. And then the black hole at the Smithsonian? Any physical evidence found is shipped back there to be never seen again. Look at the Lovelock cave giant’s skeletons. Gone. I am the biggest pro kill proponent you will ever meet. But I am full aware the system is completely rigged against this discovery. For whatever the reason? The federal government has placed a giant thumbs down for disclosure about this subject. Otherwise we would already know about it.

If we had such a population, we should expect to have a new PGF-level film on a regular basis. These would occur often (more than 1 time in 50 years) by regular people out there with cell phones. Assuming Bigfoot is real, I account for this lack of Patterson-level video by the small number of Bigfoot out there. Bigfoot country makes it harder as well but even in a thick wilderness we can find about anything and film it if there is enough of them. Lack of many new PGF-level films simply supports/reinforces the notion by the scientific community Bigfoot is not likely out there. Deer, Bob Cats, or even the rare Wolverine are caught on video. The more common the animal, the increased ease of capturing it on video. Some parts of our government involved in an area of expertise are generally sitting on their hands until such time they are forced to become reactionary. They are not likely to be pre-emptive. Probably about the same reason about anyone else doesn't know they exist. I was confident- prior to AI fake stuff- if we had a home run clear PGF 2.0 it would prove to most people Bigfoot exists. Now if we had such a film there would be a big "It's got to be fake" feeling out there about Bigfoot or anything else extraordinary. Yet, if we truly had a new, Provable, Home-Run level PGF video or better (and esp. a Body on a slab) Government, non-government and so on would all respond on their own level to these new circumstances. They would react then. Not until then. BTW most people care very little about much outside their own reality until it comes into their life and affects them directly. If CNN, Fox, and so on had 50 reporters with cameras interviewing a hunter who shot a Bigfoot the public would react. Government would react. The public would pressure the government to further act. Science skeptics would react. Some might even apologize to Jeff Meldrum, and so on. Sure, the tree huggers would want Bigfoot protected and some hunter might want to shoot one for their wall but shoot their neighbor by accident. But.... The first thing- Provable Bigfoot-has to occur for any and all those things and more to occur. IF PROOF then REACTION.

If a viable population of Ape men is roaming the hinterlands of north America today? Can you give me any good reasons as to why the federal government wouldn’t know it exists? Why is the Smithsonian exempt from the Indian Graves Act? It’s a simple formula for the government to be clear of conspiracy. Just be transparent. They wont be.

Dead horse at the ready. Allow the beating to commence...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forest_Service The department has existed at least as a management agency for 150 years. How long has the department have timber cruisers out running around in virgin, old growth forests in primary Sasquatch habitat in the Pacific Northwest where they would run across sasquatch footprints, howls, sightings, etc? The earliest references to "rangers" and government timber sales surveys are right about the turn of the 20th century (or about 120 years). But there is an even more critical example of government knowing about sasquatchery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lewis_(Washington) From the beginning of the existence of Ft. Lewis (109 years ago), situated in prime sasquatch territory and in Pierce County, WA, which features one of the highest densities of sasquatch reports in the nation, there have been soldiers (thousands of them) running around, camping, conducting nighttime training, and generally living in the woods there. There is absolutely, positively no way (no how) that sasquatch reports have not been regularly reported to the post commanders (and thus to commanding generals, almost certainly "unofficially") over the past 109 years. If sasquatches exist (or existed), Pierce County WA was one of the most densely inhabited areas of their range (according to report densities), and the Army knew it. Guaranteed. The Army operates (and always has, since before the founding of our nation and when it was under the Union Jack) under a "need to know" basis. It's institutional. No, every soldier in the Army, or even every soldier who was posted at Ft. Lewis doesn't know, so the "conspiracy" isn't "giant". I know of few to no reports of thunderbirds, and such reports would likely be most interesting to the USFWS, not the USFS. Currently, there is quite a big issue with giant snakes in Florida, and the reason why the USFS is not directly involved with it is because the USFS isn't managing forests there, but the USFWS and NPS are deeply involved, and there is no secrecy because every agency involved (both state and federal) have determined that killing the snakes are in the best interests of everybody, so they encourage that. If the USFS and Army determined that the killing of sasquatches was desired, I can assure you that they'd let you know about them..........and my suspicion is that they keep their existence completely unofficial specifically in order to discourage the harassment, disturbing, hunting, bothering, and killing of sasquatches to a minimum. The best way to do that with the public is to keep them a myth. That was incredibly easy to do prior to 1967. The PGF made it a bit more difficult. So, essentially, sasquatches have been publicly "out-of-the-bag" for 59 years. One doesn't keep secrets by recording them on paper..........or now in emails, even if you hide them in your bathroom at home. These kinds of secrets are word of mouth, and kept among few trusted persons.

Seems to me that if DNA can ascertain what it is not, it can ascertain that something else is out there. But, as usual, and like everything else, DNA is used for what the powerful want it to be used...........and not to be used for what they don't want it used for.....................

I will definitely be looking into that asap! I really wanna get this off the ground and am curious to see for my self what is going on!

Try Darby Orcutt's study at NCSU, maybe won't have to use your dime

They are doing a fantastic job collectively and Nathan in particular. Excellent commentary and advice throughout by everyone. They really have it dialed in. Keep up the great work you're doing!!

Myself and Chris Spencer explore an area with a long report history that we have long suspected as being a wintering area for sasquatches. Follow along as we share about the habitat and even a potential sasquatch trackway.

Just got back from a 3200-mile road trip from Washington to the AZ/Mexico border and back. I won an auction for a 2009 IH ambulance in Marysville, WA so had to take a sidetrack to there and pick it up. Plan is to convert it into an RV for exploring the Idaho woods. I would have loved to find one in 4x4, but realized most of my weekend trips didn't really need 4wd. The new rig is very beefy and not in too bad of shape. Going to strip the interior and build a log cabin-themed interior complete with little wood stove.