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After reading through this thread, it strikes me that if sasquatch were "but a mere wood ape" and the government knew of it, as seems to be the concensus, it would have been acknowledged long ago. There would be no big deal if there was a large American forest gorilla species. Which then compels one to reason there must be considerably more to it. The foot morphology certainly seems to point to a far more human creature, as does the bipedal walking, and apparently opposable thumbs. And then there's its apparent cognitive abilities, as seen in their knack for stealth and existing on the periphery of our towns and cities. Then there's the evidence of language development, another indicator of a higher sentience. And that's not even touching on the elements of woo... But in light of the silence, its difficult to presume just how the feds view these creatures, but I'd hazard the guess that they know a good deal more about them than most of us do.....

I don't believe that. Norse is 100% correct: It has to be a carcass, and delivered........to somebody........ Photographic evidence is as worthless as testimony. If the Patterson film, complete with casted footprint evidence, site visits by several independent parties afterwards, and in a location with a 12 year history of footprints (that exact size and shape) and sightings isn't enough to get government or Science to invest a hoot, forget photography.

^^^ Answered on p.25, 15 pages ago. "A Green Beret presence for a missing child is unprecedented." This is why I like primary sources – the Wikipedia article on the Dennis Martin disappearance has several links to contemporaneous newspaper articles on this case and the Case Study at fn 17 talks about the Green Berets as well. The SF Soldiers were already in the area for training. Could have been a Q course class (don’t know where they did those in the 60s) or it could have been a Group just training in the deep woods, but it does not appear that they were sent there to look for DM. They were there, and in an on-the-spot decision, decided to train by searching from what I can see in those reports. Unless there was a government coverup to hide why they were .... oh wait, wrong thread!!

... they're lying by omission.... Man, you just dated yourself!! :-) Young'uns should brace for seeing the world in black-and-white... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9H_cI_WCnE

Glad to see the BFforum back, was getting worried.....will start posting some back logged photos, here are some interesting impressions, from small to large.

I know a few state wildlife officials and forest service personnel, my take is some know ( those who have been a long time or need to know ) and some do not.

Clear water river, Bull lake, Libby dam, Yaak river Great trip thus far!

In 1968, Stan Peters, the host of a British Columbia radio station show called Between Ourselves, interviewed Roger Patterson and discussed the P-G- film. The Sasquatch Archives, by Todd Prescott, once again provides this invaluable historic material. A transcript of the show is attached. Transcript 1971 Patterson Peters Interview.docx

Or said sasquatch cause bodily harm to John Wick's puppy. Things you don't want to do, like spitting in the wind.......

What are the odds of some Soldier or Marine or Border Patrol or DEA agent, etc., seeing one? Probably very high. But even reported, it likely stops at the first level chain-of-command because its not relevant to each agency's specific statutory missions (national defense, border security, or stopping illegal drug activity) and, as noted in another thread, even if reported to the correct agency (National Fish and Wildlife?), still not sufficient to establish that a species exists. Even if the witness was the offspring of George Washington and Mother Theresa and genetically could not tell a lie, and was hit with truth serum, and passed multiple polygraph exams, its just not enough. Sadly, unless and until John McClane tosses the dead body of a Bigfoot out of a window at Nakatomi Plaza onto a police car below, efforts to prove existence will be futile.

Thanks for the accurate comment Norseman and MIB. Read below some facts about America's declining timber industry and what Trump is doing to get rid of many timber production regulations by signing executive order 14225. If bigfoot is ever labeled as an endangered species will it shut down logging. Bigfoot probably likes logging because bigfoot eats deer feeding in clear cuts where brush and berries flourish in sunlight. "Mar 15, 2025 · The U.S. imports roughly 25% to 30% of the lumber it consumes each year. Up to 90% comes from Canada." google "We rely on lumber from Canada because the U.S. cannot supply enough softwood to meet its own demand, and Canada is one of the largest softwood producers in the world. While it might be possible to switch to importing more lumber from other countries, none has Canada’s large production capacity." google Is the timber industry over regulated? Executive Order 14225—Immediate Expansion of American Timber Production | The American Presidency Project "Sec. 3. Streamlined Permitting. All relevant agencies shall eliminate, to the maximum extent permissible by law, all undue delays within their respective permitting processes related to timber production. Additionally, all relevant agencies shall take all necessary and appropriate steps consistent with applicable law to suspend, revise, or rescind all existing regulations, orders, guidance documents, policies, settlements, consent orders, and other agency actions that impose an undue burden on timber production." executive order Does this mean the endangered species act will be watered down?

People should heed this .. you speak the truth. The mills here that relied on timber harvest from USFS lands are gone. We had over 20 in the Rogue Valley that were the backbone of the local economy (along with orchards). None of those remain. The only mills I still see open rely on harvest from private timberlands and a small bit of BLM which is part of the old O&C Railroad land thus managed as private. Those mills are not here, they're on the other side of the Cascades in Klamath County. SW Oregon has taken an economic beating. MIB

^^ Funny, I think aliens traveling near earth (if they exist) see us as the microbes in the petri dish.

I thought of it in the same way for decades, even though the Aboriginal American description of sasquatches has always been that of being "people" of a different race. I turned when considering the repeated phenomenon of DNA samples coming back "human", and the Sierra Sounds being a "language". It also fits the current theories of multi-human species of the relatively recent past with Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Hobbits. It all fits. And when I turned from manlike-ape to apelike-man, there was no turning back.

I see that the old thread on this subject has been locked, probably because I've been lazy about posting to it in over a year, so here we go with a new one. Please feel free to tell us about any outings that you make, whether for serious research, or just to get out there and enjoy nature's beauty. You don't have to give specific locations, but a general idea of the place would be nice, and pictures even better. I'll kick it off with my group's most recent one, today, Sunday, July 15th. Our usual small group of 4 has made a number of trips into the field in the past year, some to investigate sightings, and others to look for evidence, and today's was a combination of both. Our first objective was to visit the scene of a sighting that was just recently reported to Thomas by an acquaintance of his from the Harrison Lake region. Unfortunately, it occurred about a year ago, so there was no expectation of finding any hard evidence, but we did want to check out the site to get a feel for the story. The witness had been canoeing on a small lake about 5km north of Hwy 7, between Mission and Hope, and reported seeing a large dark figure cross a rocky area at the north end of the lake. That was all we knew of the event as we drove to that lake today. We stopped along the west shore of the lake, to look north for the rocky area he had mentioned. There are a couple of rock outcrops on the east shore, accessible only by canoe, and another exposed rockface higher on the steep slope on the north end of the lake, beyond the marshy shore there. We continued along the logging road on the west side, and a few hundred meters past the marsh, found a deactivated road, blocked by large boulders, heading east across the rise at the end of the lake. Thomas and I parked, and hiked in on that trail, soon finding ourselves crossing the base of the rockface that is visible from the lake. We came to the conclusion that the witness had probably seen someone/something walking the same path we were on. Thomas plans to contact the witness again, to confirm that we were in the spot where he saw the figure, so this is still inconclusive. After heading back to the highway for lunch, the others headed home, but I wanted to check out an area I hadn't been able to access for about 3 years, due to a locked gate at the branch I wanted to explore. Today the gate was open, with a warning that it is an active logging block, and the gate is locked at sunset. I still had lots of time, so I proceeded to the end of both the north and south branches of the roads along the large creek valley. There is plenty of good habitat in this valley, though the fact that it is currently being logged has likely spooked most wildlife deep into the forests. I'll definitely come back here a year or two after the loggers are done, and see what sign can be found in there. Some pics of the top end of the side valley, taken from the active cutting site:

So, boring warning. Went to a woo location so no need bothering this forum with that. However great riparian area with at least one class a sighting. A cyclone blew up leading to cloud walls forming over highlands with dangerous winds for prolonged period and occasional explosive lightning. This area is known for this although it was leaving my area of interest. There seems to be an immense awareness even among th locals that there is something different up here. A lone sasquatch of immense powers (which is the woo part). Led to a prolonged sighting at close range elsewhere in the same season. He has been up there likely hundreds of years or, just that a lone male sas. is always living up there. Been up several times as I regained interest, East coast. Found clear evidence of something, this guy like to hide near a main artery and people watch. Somewhat degraded from way back when where I had an interaction. On a cycle trail with bluffs to hide under, over. I found 4-5 wide paths stamped into hiding locations near the trail (also lot of illegals patrols in the area, constantly) stamped into mud and dead ending about 25 to 35+ ft into rich riperian repasts. Also, a sleeping pad about 10X10 ft square, may have been machine cleared but smooth and not one twig, level right next to trail. Perfect for a large hominid to rest in unobserved but near traffic. Like to be out at night in the fields and woods under a full moon. Spring is probably the best time or late winter. Near another area as well even another in Whitehall NY, those are different and seem to be family subgroups seasonal traveling betwee ranges, upland and low land remote areas well protected.

I confess I have NEVER considered Bigfoot any kind of "Human". I never thought of Bigfoot as a ape-like MAN. I have always thought of Bigfoot as a man-like APE. Because of this, I have never really considered any ramifications of bigfoot being essentially human. If I gave it some deeper thought, I honestly don't know what I would believe about how it would affect government, society, laws, and so on. It could very well change my mind. Coming from the Bigfoot-is-an-animal mindset, it makes sense how I- and anyone who sees Bigfoot the same way- could dismiss any high level of concern government and Bigfoot. Anyone with my bias is going to conclude the same thing. I never really considered another possibility.

The green berets was the Dennis Martin case. The only reason i could see them sending in green berets was red fear. But other than that i dont know.

Now, that right there is World Class wit! I salute you, and am jealous that I didn't come up with it. If you are not opposed, I think I need to add that to my profile signature........properly accredited, of course........ Nor do I, because I don't believe extraterrestrial aliens are visiting this planet. However, IF they were, I'm absolutely convinced that government would suppress that information from the public, and........ ..........they may very well be using the illusion that it is aliens flying around in secret military craft that they themselves are creating and experimenting with in our skies. Understood. You've done well to make that clear over the past few years that these questions have been discussed, and it's a very valid foundation of skepticism. However, I believe you are somehow missing the magnitude of another extant human species still sharing our planet, and which is nearing extinction. The worldwide political response to such news would be every bit as a concern (even if different) to national governments as the discovery of extraterrestrial aliens. There is no requirement for sasquatchery to rise to the level of fear that ray-gun toting aliens bring to the table to accept the possibility that government is suppressing the "discovery" of sasquatches. Indeed, I fear "human rights lawyers" MUCH more than I fear phaser-toting aliens, primarily because I KNOW "human rights lawyers" exist in numbers far, far greater than the numbers of sasquatches, I know what dangers they pose to both human society in the macro as well as to a dying race of primitive humans, and I don't believe phaser-toting aliens exist. Agreed, and back at 'ya. Think of our discussions on this an unqualified repeat of the Owens/Huxley public debates on Darwinism/evolution, which just happened to coincide with the acceptance (not "discovery") of the gorilla (imagine that co-incidence!)...........

If a person is convinced our government is in cooperation with Aliens, the sky is the limit on what else can fit that narrative. This position makes it much easier to believe any action needed downstream from that same government. If I don't happen to believe the Aliens-Government thing at all as we both know. This makes me less likely to believe the government knows about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet. I can agree our government would do some of the things you might imagine involving areas of National Security. Again, the Magnitude is the defining issue. The funny thing is I am more than willing from my perspective to open the door to your position provided I was given a good enough reason the issue raising to a level like national security. (There is that darn Magnitude again). Once someone is convinced of the Close Encounters world, anything they dream up is always possible. Such a foundational belief makes your type of conclusions much easier to believe. Since I am convinced our government WOULD do a massive UFO cover up should they exist, I just happen to require any other issue rises to that level. It is all about the magnitude, as it should be. It's not "silly" at all. I respect where you are coming from. I don't know how else to say it but I don't buy the first thing (Government-Alien-Connection) so I can't buy the second thing (Government coving up Bigfoot). If one buys the first thing then they have the mental currency to buy just about anything. I have found sometimes discussing these things with those convinced came come across as an attack on what they happen to believe. This isn't the case. It's just a respectful disagreement.

This has all been discussed before. 1) Government and science work hand in hand. I have already stated that the Smithsonian is above the law. We may already have a skeleton in our possession and the Smithsonian is under no obligation to produce it. They are exempt from the law that requires academia to give back tribal burial remains. You quoted guy’s point he was making that if they are some form of human then there may be reasons to not be transparent with the American people. It’s very telling that they make the Smithsonian exempt from federal law. At least we know where the bodies are kept. 2) Again you’re running under the false assumption that the government has no dog in the fight. The government is not transparent with all sorts of issues. From MK Ultra to UFOs to nuclear tests, etc….. Just pick a subject. We can all speculate as to why they may not be transparent with Bigfoot. But the bottom line is that with their surveillance capabilities within the last 50 years alone tells me they know what’s out there and yet it’s crickets. And when I talk about the government, I am not talking about Ranger Bob at the Park entrance. I am talking about the people at the top who set policy. The people who manage to get the Smithsonian exempt from Federal law. The real power brokers that can end someone’s career with a phone call. Who tells the FAA to tell Delta airlines to fire pilots trying to report close encounters with UFOs? And why? Why would you attempt to cover up a safety risk? Good question! Would a 800 lbs bipedal primate pose a safety risk in our nations hinterlands? Probably? And yet with all of the evidence produced? The U.S. Forest Service makes fun of the idea of Bigfoot! Why? Same. Same.

This is similar to my experience. I don't know any USFS or state forestry personnel, but I do know or have spoken with numerous ADFG biologists or other personnel over the years about numerous issues. Those who have had professional exposure to the phenomenon know, but usually portray cautious curiosity, but other personnel scoff, so those who know don't talk........or talk "under the table". This is similar to the animosity between ADFG and more than one federal agency in Alaska about numerous issues. Those who must struggle with the opposing agency do so, and those who don't keep quiet about issues. This professional behavior mirrors what I experienced within DoD. You quickly learn what to openly discuss, and what to keep quiet about, even with non-classified information.

hunster said: Since deep space travel for physical/biological entities would require time travel, this isIa very valid possibility. "Time travel is the hypothetical activity of traveling into the past or future. Time travel is a concept in philosophy and fiction, particularly science fiction. In fiction, time travel is typically achieved through the use of a device known as a time machine. The idea of a time machine was popularized by H. G. Wells's 1895 novel The Time Machine.[1]" google SOME CAN AGREE THAT WE ARE BEING VISITED BY SPECIES THAT ARE WAY MORE ADVANCED WE ARE AND HOW THIS HAS TO DO WITH TIME TRAVEL IS ANOTHER COMPLICATION THAT I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH AT THIS TIME. I WATCHED THE TRAVIS WALTON STORY AGAIN THAT SHOWS WE ARE BEING VISITED BY ADVANCED ALIEN SPECIES AND HIS ABDUCTION BY ONE OF SEVERAL ALIEN SPECIES WAS WITNESSED BY SEVERAL MEN IN HIS LOGGING CREW AND WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH BIGFOOT? " "The idea of a connection between Bigfoot and aliens is a popular theory among some enthusiasts, suggesting Bigfoot might be extraterrestrial, a hybrid with extraterrestrials (NEPHLIM), or connected to other paranormal phenomena like UFOThis theory is fueled by reported sightings of Bigfoot coinciding with UFO sightings and other unexplained events in the wilderness," GOOGLE. I am aware. And anything is possible. But I guess I don't like my peas in my mashed spuds. Each cryptid in its own category! 🤣

Gigantor, thank you, especially when you helped me after I fell and was in ICU 11 nights, and 28 more in Rehab. You don't know how much you did. Norseman! Welcome to the helm! I know you will do a great, and grand job of guiding this bark through the choppy seas of Bigfootin.' Thank you for taking on the task. Regards, JHector