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The gist of the thread is that if you have 1000 eyewitness reports of Bigfoot sightings, and of that initial 1000, 200 are verifiable as being legitimate, and of those 200 legitimate; obviously honest and real reports; 25 of them include testimony of UFO sightings, orbs, or other "woo" phenomena such as mind speak, infrasound, or disappearance into an apparent portal, then what do you do with those 25 reports? They have already passed scrutiny and are verified as being trustworthy and accurate. So, do you discard those reports because they don't fit your beliefs? Or because the popular narrative of BF simply being an un-evolved species of Homo Sapiens would be threatened by facts involving supernatural behavior? Those reports and testimonies are out there. They are real and they exist. IMHO, if you decide to disregard them, then you have decided to ignore facts in favor of advancing your own theories, and have therefore rendered your opinions as invalid and ignorant. It may sound harsh, but it is reality.

After the whole official UFO story dropped? Things must have gotten kinda weird over there for the ole JREFers……poor buggers. Lots of screaming and wailing and then……

I'm actually featured in this series for anyone who didn't know, Joe Perdue. Anyways, I remember when this happened. Les messaged me shortly after this incident and sent the pictures. It predated Doug Hajicek's sebum sample collection project and by what I remember no data other than the video and pictures were collected. The hand print was much larger than les's and in unusual locations. It was an interesting event for sure, what it was that touched that vehicle remains an unknown and another human can not be ruled out completely in many of these areas especially where the vehicle was parked.

I guess I'm not in the majority. I think bigfoot is flesh and blood hominid that is going extinct. I fear it may already be too late.

IMO here are the possibilities. 1). Flesh and blood. Extremely small population, say in the hundreds. 95% or more reports are false or misidentification. 2). Flesh and blood with some natural ability that allows it to avoid detection. IR. Infrasound, ability to see major light spectrum, amazing smell etc. basically a true ninja of the woods. Probably 50% of reports are false or misidentification. 3). Some completely alien / woo woo filled creature/intelligent being that can plane shift, go invisible etc. 95% of reports could be both true and/or Bigfoot trolling us humans for entertainment. What day of the week it is determines what I believe. The only thing I KNOW is that I know nothing. I’m most likely more wrong on every thought than I am right. 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻

I finally went out yesterday to a spot that I had some strange occurrences at over the past few years. The last incident was earlier this spring and I was on the dead-end dirt road that ends at where I camped. I was driving down the road and saw sitting on a stump, a young attractive woman in her 20's in pioneer dress, doing cross-stitch. Just sitting there, 5 yards off the road, smiling. She didn't even look up or glance at me as I drove by. It's like she didn't even know I was there. I drove on down the road to the dead-end, searched for mushrooms for about a half-hour, then drove back out. She was gone. No vehicles around for miles. Just weird. This is the spot... A couple of other times while hunting for mushrooms, I have gotten that creepy feeling of being watched. And my dogs have always stopped and stared at one particular area of the hillside for no apparent reason. So, I decided to actually spend the night there with just my dog and a few firearms. I brought my "new" ATV in a utility trailer, and I also have a tent designed for the back of a pickup that sort of fits in the trailer. I stayed up later than I wanted to, and was waken up every 45 minutes or so by my dog growling or barking at something. He's a city dog, so is freaked out by cows. I give little credence to his alerts when in the woods, lol. But, a couple of times, there were sounds that I managed to record. One was clearly an owl of some sort with a louder and deeper "whooo" and the other was likely a smaller predator. Sounded like an odd bird at first, but then I recalled hearing similar sounds made by cougars and bobcats. I'll have to enhance the audio to pin down what it was. I heard my first definite tree knock at around midnight. Not recorded, of course. And I heard a tree being pushed over. Also not recorded, but I have no doubt that it was pushed over. I discussed why in the video I recorded today, and will have to get it put together and posted on YT. I have been camping many times in the woods and have never heard so many sounds. Maybe because there was absolutely no wind and I didn't have the radio on, nor was I talking to anyone. I simply sat there by the fire and listened.

It might have begun right here on BFF 1.0. Years ago there was skeptic named Saskeptic (who later joined and participated on the James Randi Foundation forum as Shrike, which later became the International Skeptic Forum) who claimed to be an ornithologist and university professor. He and I would get into lively debates. Of course, one of my beloved positions is that government has a responsibility to put some effort and investment into determining if sasquatches exist, and I posted my suspicions regarding government behavior regarding the phenomenon, especially the PG event. We debated that often. Lo and behold, he opened a thread regarding government responsibility and said that he held a symposium of some kind with government wildlife management personnel at some sort of conference. I can't seem to find the thread now. Maybe that's because it was BFF 1.0. Now, I'm not saying that his symposium changed USFW policy, but I'm pretty convinced that the internet, and BFF in particular, was a wake up call for government to coordinate their responses and develop boilerplate BS for inquisitive bigfoot hunters. Loose lips sink ships..........

I’m with Huntster here. If you think you have the “smoking gun”, the ultimate “gotcha” against the gov’t based on “recreational activity” then post it up here! It ain’t like the gov’t don’t have what they sent you! It’s from them! Starting a thread that’s cornerstone is a gov’t statement, then not putting it out there is worthless. We are how many pages in and you are the only one that has all the information. Context means everything. Holding it back makes this whole thread worthless. There is no discussion to be truly had if you are withholding the key piece.

And, as we all know, the Department of Interior is under the Executive branch. As we all learned, that basically makes them the military. Sasquatch should be under that super protection! Sorry had to say it. 😂😂😂😂

And I have the sign........

But, I have the hat...

Dr J? There is no science involved. Tip: you should look into his background, ALL OF IT, especially his time practicing in Grants Pass, OR, before you cite him.

93’ Last year of the first Gens.

I don't know. Maybe contact the psychic friends network for clues. This thread on fluffy foo foo woo woo needs to be stirred up. No, the word salads of podcasts have no affect on me. I don't have a TV and I don't listen to podcasts and I don't read reports. What have I missed? Nothing. I dusted off my soft bound book " In the Spirit of Seatco", by Henry Franzoni III. I was looking for Tesla frequencies but had to look elsewhere. The book has good info on Tesla's work that might help. Read pages 121---136, but don't limit yourself. Tesla passed and had a secret device in his hotel safe. It was a 'multi-decade resistance box' that you might call a 'Wheatstone Bridge'. Strange stuff and why was it in a safe? You have to read the book to get the explanation. The Tesla frequencies should be considered. 432Hz and 369Hz. There are more frequencies but I think that these 2 are good starters. Consumer level microphones can pick up these frequencies but a lot depends on the mic, cable, maybe pre-amp and the recorder. One has to have a target to aim at. Very difficult so far since close range is required. No guns. There are many reports of Sasquatch going invisible for hundreds of years of oral and written history. I have not seen this but too many people have. How do they do that? I don't know is a good answer. Human and machine vision depends on differences in contrast to focus. Human vision detects contrast differences at edges of items. People who have seen the 'shimmer' or 'glimmer', what ever you want to call it, have detected edges. The question is, does this shimmer scenario emit a noise / sound that our audio equipment can detect? The hypothetical result would be anecdotal without a positive verification of the target. Why no guns? From 'In the Spirit of Seatco' , page 121: Indian wisdom: "You are an idiot if you try to hurt one of the Seatco. You are an idiot because first of all you are a violent destructive idiot and secondly because they can kill you with a thought." The book is available from Amazon Kindle. Have an open mind. Some humans have extra abilities. Military rumors exist about spies who can do remote viewing. And then there is Kreskin. He has limited access to casino games. Way back, we had lamp oil for illumination. After Tesla invented the light bulb, we tried to conquer night time. We have day shift, swing shift and graveyard. Thanks Tesla.

At this stage, they're categorized (as you have done in your example) for analysis or action, just like all other reports. The pattern is there for somebody to act on or not. I'm interested in sasquatchery, but not enough to invest money or time conducting field work. Some people are, but they might not think they can catch a sasquatch that can disappear like a ghost or shapeshift into a butterfly at will, so might not investigate those reports. If sasquatches can shapeshift or beam themselves up into intergalactic starships, any attempt to catch one is likely to be folly. Indeed, even as I believe them to be a human subspecies both extremely rare and extremely adept at outdoor skills and abilities, I consider them to be the ultimate biological hunting quarry extremely difficult to harvest, and I also believe that government doesn't want them to be discovered. Since government is capable of shapeshifting and other supernatural and paranormal feats, and whom I'm terrified of, I'll leave the sasquatch hunting (whether biological, paranormal, or supernatural) to others.

Diesel is always the answer.

Playing with the subject with an attempted humorous April Fools statement, which made the sasquatch phenomenon look silly while simultaneously attempts to instill fear that the forest is in great peril from human development, is (and should be) exactly what we can and should expect from a government that routinely manipulates the public with such disinformation. Again, notice that they referred to either phony or silly sasquatch reports in their story while completely ignoring the PG film event. I challenge anybody to produce any official statement at all from either the federal government or California state government about the PG film at any point in the 56 years since the filming. There is none. Zip. Nada. Zero.

Norseman good comparison about hiding Rosewell from the public.

Sorry, I don't get the joke. It's not funny if the USDA and the Forest Service are trying to downplan bigfoot by making fun of it. Are they trying to take the heat off by saying Sasquatch is real on April Fools Day. So Joe public is left holding the bag. I boiling over with our Defense Department not telling us UFOs are real and and all along our military has been working with aliens.

And precisely the kind of disinformation act we've all come to expect from government in every field. So USDA published the page, then USFW sends you a link to it...........meaning they communicate about it. Now ask them about their actions, reviews, and position on the PG film, shot on National Forest lands, before photography required permits, reviewed by multiple scientists of multiple disciplines, none of whom have ruled it a fraud, and which continues to be studied. Ask if USDA has studied the film, and if not, why not? Enjoy the sounds of the crickets chirping............

Oregon has it all. A coastline that is second to none, temperate rain forests, savannas, mountains, valleys, volcanoes, caves, high desert, sage flats, orchards, fields of various crops, vineyards, lava fields, famous water falls, including the second widest falls in North America, and vortexes, that all offer every sort of recreation one could want.

Yes, if the govt has a position then they could and should explain how it was arrived at. However when it comes to the govt I’ve long believed in the adage not to ascribe to malice that which can be explained by ignorance.

Well, that was pretty amazing to read. Bigfoot hunting was recreational and I went through as much paraphrasing as I could. Mainly because I didn't know if publishing someone's email was legal to do and I was too busy today to look into it. As far as I can now read and tell, the email was not sent to me asking for confidentiality. And why would it? Nonetheless, I just wanted to be cautious. Can you understand that? I have done nothing but work on, and honor, people's trust, but after looking carefully at the email I can see that it's probably okay to do. Two relatively short paragraphs and the only issue I might have is that the first paragraph looks automated, but the second paragraph has a smaller font so it may have been added on by someone as an original comment. If that was the case then it could make publishing the email a copyright issue. Being a writer and author I'm fully cognizant of that possibility. If the email was all one size font I would be more comfortable posting the email in its entirety. It's two two small paragraphs, yes, but each with different size fonts and that raised a flag for me. Even so, this is in the public's interest which, as I understand things, makes it okay to do. I took a screen shot of the contents and so left out the privacy stuff. And for your information, Twist, I did NOT hold out on the "key piece. This whole thread is about nothing BUT the "key piece. The email is from USFW Headquarters if that matters to you or anyone. Also, I found the use of the words "our" and "we" interesting: I responded with this but haven't heard back and I probably won't: "Just to be clear then. Are you saying Bigfoot doesn't exist and is only a recreational activity? I think this to be a fair question to ask at this point. Thanks."

16 pages, wow. The answer to the thread title is basically yes or no. it is a borderline topic for the paranormal section. My answer is No, but I have added more tools to my tool box. Flesh and blood? Yes, only flesh and blood smells like they do and other animals have genetic memory to be scared / terrified of their odor.

Very well said, xspider1, very well said indeed. Thank you. I'm finally in a good place in this subject so I'll tread lightly from now on.

Believe me, I hear both of you. It was all so unusual and so completely unexpected that it took me some time to get my head around it. I've heard from members for years here that it was fruitless to do what I was saying I wanted to do. Didn't know how to go about it really as far as how to word my inquiry. Of course I wanted to know the truth about Sasquatch existence ever since I joined this Forum. But as a virtual novice I had much to learn. But no matter what I read or researched I was always trying to figure out a way through. I used to call it an end run, where I was forever working out a way to get where I wanted to go. The whole DNA thing, studying the technology and all took a lot of time and it looked promising for discovery if the "system" could be overloaded with so many samples that something was bound to eventually get through. That was the idea anyway. This latest effort really did take some thought because I sensed that going straight at things with the basic question of does the Sasquatch exist or not didn't seem like the way to go. Figured I would hit walls every time I tried. I think the turning point was when I decided to not ask the question to an agency but instead, ask to be put into contact with a person I could talk to. It took a while but without going into much detail this thing about "recreational activity" just came out of the blue. The rest is history. I don't think I can take things any farther but I really don't think I have to now. I did a couple of follow up emails asking for clarity but, in truth, I would be be very surprised if I receive any more responses. Probably just as well?

That's some good eating right there...

Too late...

In a statement, but just a letter written by one representative or is this an official stance of the government?

I’m an idiot when it comes to court proceedings etc. Is there a point in the US courts where this gets thrown out and never heard on the basis of eliminating frivolous law suits? My question being, do they have a means of never hearing a case like this regarding BF, faeries, leprechauns, etc. Is there a threshold of “evidence” one would present, for lack of a better term, in a pre-trial? I can’t imagine any yahoo can get time in a court suing for any random reason. Does that question make sense? What’s the criteria to even be heard by an upper level court ?

A tip? Yes. Ask your research partner. He might just still have it safe in his possession, and ready to return it to you any time you like. And when and if he remembers to.

Most of it has already been shut down. Most of our timber now comes from Canada. What is domestically produced? Mostly comes from private timber lands like Weyerhaeuser.

But if sasquatches are of the genus homo, and are thus “fully human”, this entire issue is out of the realm of the USFW. But, then, whose management authority does it fall under? Who, then, begins negotiations with these aboriginal peoples? How would that be done, since we have no common language? We’d be back to 1492, wouldn’t we?

Indeed it is. But is it built on a lie? And if so, would anyone want to know it is? And the resource/recreational industry is a coupla thousand times that. But if the Sasquatch exists then USFW should be protecting it, its habitat, and insuring its survival, like it does with most everything else, but they're saying that they are not. So, bottom line here is, one way or another, someone is perpetrating a huge lie. I find the situation fascinating. But I also want the truth of the matter. I may not be the only one who would like to have the truth, but I also may be the only one who is doing what I'm doing in the manner that I'm doing it. I'm only saying this because I think it's better for me if people know about it.

That isn't really the issue because people will believe whatever they want to believe. What makes a lie more serious, though, is when lots an lots of money gets generated as a result of allowing the lie to continue. Revenue is being generated in the real world if Sasquatch is believed to be real. But far, far more revenue is generated in the real world if the belief is that the Sasquatch is NOT real.. And since both sides of the issue cannot be true at the same time, then the lie, whichever side of the coin the lie stems from, allows revenue to be made from both belief in existence and non-belief in existence. So, IMO, it's simple: One side of the coin is true and the other side isn't. And what's ridiculous about it all is that the lie that the Sasquatch exits, or the lie that it doesn't, should have been settled a long time ago. And the fact that it hasn't been is a serious matter....that no one seems to take seriously.

Did you get any pictures of the Muse that was sitting on the stump cross stitching, or were those pictures too blurry to send? Just poking fun, PNW, interesting post! 8^)

7.62 I am in Washington. Mostly west side of the Cascades.

I think a lot of people have observed something but have since weaved interpretation into their observation as they try to explain it to themselves. I don't think it is a lie. I think it is difficult to work backwards and separate the interpretations from "pure" observation. So "at face value" .. I try to be very careful about that. I'm human, I interpret same as everyone else, I just like to think I do a better than average job of keeping it clear in my mind which is observation and is which is speculative interpretation when interpretation is involved rather than letting the line drift over time.

I actually went out yesterday to a spot that I had some strange occurrences at over the past few years. The last incident was earlier this spring and I was on the dead-end dirt road that ends at where I camped. I was driving down the road and saw sitting on a stump, a young attractive woman in her 20's in pioneer dress, doing cross-stitch. Just sitting there, 5 yards off the road, smiling. She didn't even look up or glance at me as I drove by. It's like she didn't even know I was there. I drove on down the road to the dead-end, searched for mushrooms for about a half-hour, then drove back out. She was gone. No vehicles around for miles. Just weird. This is the spot... A couple of other times while hunting for mushrooms, I have gotten that creepy feeling of being watched. And my dogs have always stopped and stared at one particular area of the hillside for no apparent reason. So, I have heard of BF being associated with haunted areas and other paranormal activities. My own limited experiences bear that out. And last night I heard my first tree knock, my first tree being pushed over, a distant whoop, and maybe one imitating an animal sound. I'll have to review the video and enhance the audio. Pretty exciting night!

Dr. Mathew Johnson, psychiatrist in Washington states, states one paranormal form of bigfoot called the Xanue is always out of focus when photographed. What is the science connected to this stunt?

You are embarrassing yourself over this matter. It’s ok to admit you were wrong. Really, no one believes you are infallible, I promise.

The space force is an interesting topic by itself full of woo or the paranormal. If Sasquatch has sight, hearing, and detecting scent that is five times better than humans, this is exceptional but not paranormal. When does scent detecting become paranormal? If Sasquatch can detect the scent of a human during a windless day in the forest 300 feet away this ability might be normal for this primate. If BF can smell humans 2000 feet away on a calm day, this becomes paranormal in my opinion. What's your viewpoint? Sasquatch might be about a basic primate that has keen senses, forest survival intelligence and enough physical power to defeat bears but not paranormal. This physical power has enabled BF from becoming extinct early on. Woo or paranormal attributes may not be in Sasquatchs' bag of tricks reported by hikers, hunter, or campers. Its bag of tricks includes ambushing or chasing down speeding animals, jumping straight up 14' to pick off a critter in a tree for lunch, or throwing a volley ball sized rock 50' to knock out a deer or bear. These attributes seem paranormal but are normal for our forest primate. The other theory is about a supernatural primate that might have paranormal attributes such as cloaking or becoming invisable at will. Some believe or claim that Bigfoot or BF cloaks.

It’s not a technicality, you’re wrong. NASA is not a military branch as you clearly stated above. Double down all you want, won’t change reality. From the Nasa website: Mission: NASA explores the unknown in air and space, innovates for the benefit of humanity, and inspires the world through discovery. Exploration, not defense.

I don't DO FOIA requests. I go direct.

Greetings all! I'm Red from the rural countryside in Oklahoma. Was pointed in this direction. Currently live in the tall grass prairie where my cattle rancher neighbor swears he's seen timber-wolves on multiple occasions. I am about to move into a woods in the neighboring county/nation next to a river known for sasquatch activity (seems like seasonal migrations). I do plan to start recording and analyzing audio data that I will capture overnights in those woods (I'm after coyotes...and wolves). I'm starting an account here in case anything turns up and I need an outlet to pass along findings/information. There is a sacred native site very near this land and it is not far from known hotspots and plenty of countryside. I live an off grid lifestyle and share crop/farmhand for an old man as well as raise game meats. Fun stuff.

@Skinwalker13 what do you think?

Fascinating! “Researchers found that dog eyes contain cryptochrome 1, a light-sensitive molecule that reacts to the magnetic field when simultaneously stimulated by light.” So, just perhaps, Sasquatch have also developed the ability to detect magnetic and electric fields! And (getting Woo-Woo-ish for a sec.), maybe they even have the ability to counter act with a field that blocks electro-magnetism so that blurry pictures abound!? I would not put that past the realm of possibility.

I addressed this several times. The latest on page 5. Cave in’s could be possible with a large animal jumping around in there. Yes. (Or attempted escape) Therefore the pit would have to be constantly monitored. A metal insert serving as a ready made cage would be ideal. Except for the need for the use of large helicopter. 144” x 20 ft = 6860 lbs (check my math) https://www.txcorr.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2014/10/CMP-DETAIL-SHEET2.pdf

Here is the second video. This one is from from West Virginia. I wondered if any of our West VA. people on here might be familiar with this already and maybe know something about it. The prints and smudges were on the back of a truck belonging to who I think is the founder of West Virginia Crytids and Strange Encounters. He starts talking at 52:34 about how he had discovered the handprints on the back of his truck. Fortunately he says just where he is. He was on Bickle Knob, in Randolph County.

I concur.