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I think the best circumstantial evidence was obtained by the Olympic Project.

502 was definitely a bad gateway. Glad to see it was not our pathway

And a HUGE shoutout to Gig for all he does to keep this place up and running! IT is not a easy thing to keep going at times.

Just wondering if its still the seething hotbed of opinions and contention it was always rumored to be.....also I'm still curious about the purple glow.........lol

I think you have to ask some followup questions. 1) WHEN did the encounter occur, because I think media attention has changed the answer over time, at least in terms of averages. 2) WHO are you? Because I think different demographics have different propensities to report. I take a LOT of local reports via word of mouth that are never formally submitted .. truly, I've heard many accounts even from BFRO and Olympic Project members around the campfire that I do not think are part of any public database. I think we have to be very careful, in the context of your question, about assuming any uniformity of answer. Then there's the question of what constitutes a report? Formal submission? Sharing with other bigfooters informally? Sharing with family .. who may not be proponents? Those will vary for each of us depending on something which may vary from trust of those we're sharing with to deliberately, abrasively jamming it down their throats and daring them to voice doubt.

I was visiting my cousin (who grew up and currently lives on the northern coast of Oregon) 2 years ago and she revealed to me that she had a sighting in her backyard in the 80's. She has known of my interest in squatching for the last 15 years, but never said a thing. She finally opened up and told everyone after 40 years.

^^^ Absolutely. That's one reason why old reports may be less reliable. Numerous (probably most) encounter reports give only the year, then at best the month and date. However, the inability to remember a date doesn't necessarily taint a witness's report. I can recount in painful detail a jump I made somewhere between '85 and '86 (maybe '87) where the 'chute wrapped around my leg. The fact that I don't remember the date without pulling out my (very short) jump log book doesn't make my recollection of the events any less credible.

The distinction I am trying to make? Is that a Bear is not self aware. It doesn’t recognize itself in a mirror, it attacks the mirror. It doesn’t understand that it’s leaving tracks that others can follow either. It itself tracks like a bloodhound, on scent. It has poor eyesight, but most importantly it’s not self aware. Knuckle walking great apes are self aware. They may react like a Bear at first. But they quickly figure out they are seeing their own reflection. Jeff Meldrum talks about making Chimp casts and observing the chimps be self aware of their own footprints in the sand. So if knuckle walking great apes are self aware? Surely a bipedal Sasquatch is more self aware than they are. This is the cognition part that most animals lack. So back to tracks. If you live in the woods and are hunting and foraging in the woods? You’re gonna leave sign. It’s inescapable. The key difference is having the cognitive ability to understand this. And if you don’t want to be found? Then you’re going to mitigate the risk as much as feesably possible. But you cannot erase it entirely. But if you understand this concept you can also use it as a WEAPON against the trackers. You could leave a short track way in the opposite direction of your families intended travel. You could stage a track in an area where you can easily observe your trackers from concealment. A false trail buys you time while the tracker has to sort it out. There are lots of counter tactics in the game of tracker and being tracked. This leaves the territory of a hunter tracking a deer through the woods. This is military and law enforcement territory. Where a tracked human could be leading you into an ambush. Now you’re asking yourself things like? Why is this track left in such an obvious way? Is it a misdirection? Are we being observed? Is it a stall for time? You may be a city slicker but if you’re honestly interested in this subject? There are lots of good books to read and you can practice some of it in your own backyard or a park. I observed a trackway in snow with my father. I have zero doubt that a Sasquatch knows it’s leaving tracks. IT KNOWS. So the question then becomes did it care? Or could it not be helped? If it doesn’t care then it probably has an ulterior motive. Which should send a cold shiver up your spine. But in our case hunting for a Xmas tree in an area we normally would not be in that time of year? And in deep snow? It probably just couldn’t be helped. In that case it’s probably betting on the fact that a human on snowshoes just cannot keep up in deep snow in mountainous terrain. And it is impossible to erase a snow trackway anyhow. So make haste. I have mulled this concept over in my head many times. Even when I am out in the woods looking for tracks. A quarry that understands that you could be tracking it? Is a paradigm shift for most hunters, hikers and lay people. Tracks will never be the smoking gun. Dental resin casts are great conversation pieces but nothing more. But tracks will lead you to the creature…. That’s a certainty. IF we are good enough to follow them and the weather holds.🤷‍♂️ The ultimate game of hide and seek.

https://www.science.org/content/article/mysterious-orange-lipped-monkey-discovered-deep-congo-rainforest-new-species I'm surprised that this doesn't have a thread yet. It seems tangentially relevant. This line I found interesting: "The Likweli monkey was first caught on camera in 2008, when a research expedition snapped a blurry photo of a black-pelted primate they didn’t recognize." That's right folks, all started with a blobmonkey!

For those who doubt the usefulness of DNA in identifying Bigfoot as a new species or a Homo sapiens hybrid, please read this paper on the Likweli monkey, which has extensive DNA results to demonstrate its place in monkey phylogeny as a distinct species. A similar paper on the Lesula monkey, another recent discovery, can be found in PLOS ONE.

^^^ This is a point Anna Nikaris has made about Bigfoot. She discovered some similar primate in Asia herself a few years ago. Never know what is out there.

For the moment, my little chunk o' heaven is calm. The East Evans Creek Fire (15,800 acres?) seems under control. The state fire marshal team tasked with structure protection left a week ago. The local IMT under state forestry has completed their 2 week rotation and has been replaced by a joint team from California and Australia. North-central and Eastern Oregon are a different situation. Something over 1.5 million acres have burned / are burning, several fires well beyond 100K acres, and today they're under a "PDS" red flag warning, not a red flag warning. I'd never heard the term. PDS is particularly dangerous situation. Low humidity, winds to 50 mph over active fires, and not enough resources to address new starts. Despite all of the conspiracy nonsense, these are lightning fires other than East Evans Creek which was the result of a car hitting a power pole and dropping live lines into dry brush.

How dare you question my opinion. When I said "thoughts?", I wasn't actually asking and I surely didn't expect anyone to provide anything worthwhile. Don't you know who I am? I'm like Ralphy in A Christmas Story after turning in his theme and in his mind getting an A+++++, with his classmates hoisting him upon their shoulders, and you are the teacher bringing me back to reality. Oh the gall of some people. Seriously though. Thanks for that. I did considered the car aspect and this was found several miles from the nearest road, so ruled that out. Stepping in holes? Maybe, maybe one leg, maybe and that is even far fetched in my mind. Let's examine this post mortem. What is going to scavenge in Minnesota? Coyotes, wolves, bears, and cougars and none of those would create torque resulting in spiral fractures. I think the key to this discussion really is the evidence of the spiral fractures themselves. That in my mind is quite telling. All good conversations. As a side note, later that same night, I watched a 9 foot squatch through a thermal walk through the forest, check out our camp as a guy was playing his native flute, and then move away for a total of 15 minutes (story for another thread). I'm pretty sure that is swaying my views on these breaks, but nevertheless I think they are good evidence.

A friend works on / volunteers on a ranch along the next river corridor to the west. They have found several deer skeletons, meat removed, just tendons, bones, and hide, with the rear leg broken and the neck snapped inside of an open-air barn. This is consistent with observations from other places. Thoughts? Well, you did ask. I think it is useless so far as providing evidence for existence. There are far too many alternate explanations for it to be convincing to anyone. Deer break their legs either stepping in holes, being hit by cars, and so on. As tendons dry, they can bend the neck or other joints in ways consistent with deliberate manipulation. What my friend found, the photos you shared, are interesting information for people who've already decided for themselves that bigfoot is, or is most probably, real, but so far as moving anyone from non-believer to believer .. nah, not going to move that needle in the slightest. I wish to thank you for sharing, don't want you to regret that based on my seemingly negative comments. I find it interesting .. but I'm not someone who needs convincing. MIB

Happy Anniv. Mr and Mrs. Huntster! I hope you are both feeling much better. Heat index in TN, MS and AR has been 110-127 sometimes lately and IT is nasty. (Climate change denialists look away, there is nothing to see here.) But, yes, Happy Birthday, USA! Our leaders are doing a lot of stupid things right now, but hopefully common sense will eventually prevail. I have hope for the future because we have smart and wonderful kids who deserve much, much better and they will change things. The recent BFF outage was unprecedented; thank-you Gigantor and whoever else helped to get it running again. Semper Fidelis!

We have a pathway and a gateway? Next thing you know we'll get all high-falutin' and have whatever high-falutin' websites have. Maybe a portal?

Had me worried, that was a long one! I don't post much but still visit often...

I recently read this thread in full. Super fascinating.

Holy kamoley! It's good to be back! Great to see old friends, again.

Wow! This is great! I was afraid we were done for good.

Congrats on making it to 50, Mr & Mrs Huntster. Us long haulers seem to be a rarity these days, 62 years for my sweetie and I.

I've got a flu, and I just got Mrs. Huntster out of the hospital on Thursday. It's cloudy/rainy, but I like that better than heat. Our 50th wedding anniversary is at the end of the month. No plans. Life dictates our actions day by day, but I'm loving our Alaskan summer!

This, in my opinion, is the best circumstantial evidence for the existence of sasquatch. Let me explain. I found these hind deer legs in northern Minnesota, both broken. The breaks are spiral fractures. In order to get a spiral fracture, the bones need to be twisted. In order to twist, thumbs are required (and tremendous strength). I have come across this multiple times. The next question, does this happen naturally? There was a research paper on this and the answer is yes rarely, and only under very limited conditions. Those conditions require a sun baked hard pan surface where bones were stepped on by large ungulates causing twisting breaks. These bones were found in a bog and as you can see, are sitting on sphagnum moss. Anyone else find similar evidence? Thoughts?

^Those behaviors are commonly reported. Random find, interesting full report. https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=414

Yep. A "side consideration" in this regard is that the chances that the date of the 'claimed encounter' is misremembered/misreported the more time passes between event and report submission. My own report to BFRO, for instance, was submitted nearly 30 years after the actual event so the best I could do was try to back in to the date based on events and seasons surrounding it, I didn't have a specific record of the date.

Can you dig into the 2000s more specifically? I'm curious whether the increase came before or after Mysterious Encounters. It may have prompted an increase in reporting / knowledge of where to report in a manner similar to Finding Bigfoot.

This is a great point - Bigfoot probably do leave signs, but ... 1) If they live in very remote areas, few people will go there to find those signs. 2) If they dine and dash (graze on plants or pick off animals and then move on), then the evidence won't accumulate in one neat pile. 3) As a large animal, they probably have a large home range, so the bread crumbs are scattered over a very wide area. 4) The largest (credible) group of Bigfoot I've seen reported is 4 at one time, two adults and two juvenile-sized Bigfoot. If they do congregate somewhere, its very far from where humans go. Not arguing with any of the points you made - just want to start fleshing out some common sense (I hope) explanations for when skofftics show up and start saying, "where's the poop, where's the bone piles?"

A BF-related report of such a "find" of bones outside a cave was distributed by Ray Crowe ("keep your skepticals on"). report cited by Oregon Bigfoot. The actual location was clarified to me by Autumn Williams -- it is a few miles from Hemlock Lake. I suppose she either contacted the witness or got more information from Ray. I looked for the site but the mountain is very steep with slowly accumulating rubble below from cliffs / bluffs crumbling above such that the cave must have been covered over. There are other caves in the mountain but, looking uphill above them up the "slide chutes", I think it would be risky crossing to access them with the possibility of having a major rock fall occur while exposed on a very uneven surface with nowhere to take cover.

The "Public" involved in the world "Public opinion" would include a large groups of millions of people containing many sub groups. These groups would be expected to have various complicated thoughts on Bigfoot. Bigfoot is the concern here. I would have thought the Bigfoot issue as it relates to anyone in the public is a binary choice. You either believe in Bigfoot or you don't. Yet it is more complicated than that. My first thought might be the 3 "Public" camps. 1) Bigfoot doesn't exist 2) Bigfoot might/could exist 3) Bigfoot exists! If we consider group #3 Bigfoot Exists your post shows me there are further groups in just that group. That is, some might believe: -Bigfoot is an Alien riding on space ships. -Bigfoot is an animal known by the government and actively kept hidden from the public for scary reasons. - Bigfoot is real and the government is keeping it quiet until it captures one and can understand it. Until then they don't want hunters shooting at each other. -Bigfoot is a form of undiscovered ape man out there in the wilderness more human than ape and more or less human. -Bigfoot is some human like man Ape running around in the wilderness. -And so on and so on. If someone thinks the government knows and is actively involved in a secret Bigfoot conspiracy I would contend that is probably a very small number of people. I say this because it requires not just the belief in bigfoot but a government who can actively cooperate with Bigfoot and work to keep it quiet. When I say the Jury of Public opinion to me it means group 1 and group 2 can be moved to be more open-minded. Put another way its moving group 1 to group 2 or 3 to the extent you can. Does the government know or care? That is a sub discussion for those in Group 3. My guess would be only a minority of those in group 3 think that. Still, such an opinion could very well be true. I just don't happen to be one of them. I am open to the idea our government would want to keep important things from the public. Does Bigfoot reach that level? Not for me but I am in Group 2 at this time. Until I moved to group 3, I cannot seriously consider this at the same level as those already in group 3, with all due respect to those who do.

I think so. I think there are mysteries still not understood by modern science. I won’t get into religious overtones here. But the Book of Enoch (which is not found in the Protestant or Catholic bible) holds some profound statements in it about our origins.

Here is an Orangutan male passing the dot test. Instead of feeling threatened by “another” male in his vicinity? He calmly wipes the paint off his own forehead. Because he is self aware.

Hello, I am Kyle from Western, WA. I love being outdoors and learning everything about nature as possible. I have had a couple of strange encounters while living and hunting in Washington State. I am looking to meet people who share similar interests, and learn more about the topic of Sasquatch. Thank you for allowing me to be a member on this forum.

Well, that's interesting and does open up some potentials. If the track ways are indicating a larger size, do they also imply the degree of "upright-ness"? And how would this impact their capacity for longer distance mobility. Is it possible they or some member of Paranthropus were able to take part in the ongoing exodus from Africa along with other hominids of the time, such as erectus? If this occurred when sea levels had dropped we would have little chance of finding evidence of such range expansions, but if H.erectus was on the move, whats to say Paranthropus wouldn't as well, perhaps even following or joining H.e for increased safety and foraging.its a stretch to be sure, but it does illustrate potential pathways for the simultaneous expansion of multiple species outside of Africa, which could then result in multiple derived forms further out rather than just our own hominid line.

Hello from Ohio. I have had a few personal encounters and am interested in hearing about other people’s experiences.

Talked to my son tonight and we may be deployed to Tonasket. Thats the Sinlahekin fire.

So KC is not normally what comes to mind when I think of prime BF real estate. To what do you attribute the multiple number of sightings in the area? While urban BF is not unheard of, it does seem to be fairly rare. Just curious. Also, do you mind providing a few more details on some of the incidents? That latest sighting in Independence is smack dab in the the center of a residential area and seems highly improbable, but I would love to know more about it. Thanks!

They don't necessarily evacuate the area. I have 2(past) local reports of fire crews on night shift being "shadowed" by BFs as they go to / from the firelines on foot. I wasn't able to follow up on either report. A friend did with one. I didn't see anything that raised any red flags however.

Any fire like this is horrible. I imagine a terrible fire would drive many animals toward safety and Bigfoot would be no exception. It's still a numbers game. 10,000 Deer on the move are easier to notice than 4 Sasquatch.

I became intested in bigfoot after a sighting on a road near north carolina i have been following it ever since

That was one of the first challenges that arose upon the discovery of homo floresiensis fossils in Liang Bua cave, so yes, it will.

I agree with you .. but that's not relevant so far as moving the bar. What's in your mind, what's in my mind .. also not relevant to moving the bar. The only evidence that matters, so far as moving us closer to scientific acceptance, is evidence that skeptics and outright scoftics can't find an alternate explanation for. A body or a large enough piece to test and retest DNA from so many times that contamination or degradation is simply not a feasible explanation. There may be lesser evidence that draws scientists in .. then THEY will have to find the body instead of US, but ultimately it is going to come down to a body or major piece of a body. I wish I were wrong.

I found this awhile ago.

I have been looking for some hobbies to occupy my time as of late and camping and hiking are areas in which I always enjoyed in the past with friends. Now that those people have left my life, I am looking to pick up where I left off without them. Why not occupy my time researching this while I am out there to begin with, I guess. I am also planning on giving this total time and devotion. The best is yet to come!

Spent time with family! Best way to spend any time. We felt your pain, VaFooter, as the eastern panhandle was just as hot and humid!

We understate the thanks owed to those who brought us back. thanks is all we can offer. don’t know what ya got until it’s (nearly) gone.

Glad to see you're back. I received an unsafe warning earlier in the day, but they appear to be gone now.

Hello there, My name is Clark Henrie, I'm a life long bigfoot enthusiast and I love researching this topic as well as cryptozoology of all kinds. I look forward to sharing some of my amateur research with the community (I enjoy reading old newspapers and books looking for past encounters), Anyway glad to be here. --Clark