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My view is there are not many of these things out there ( less in your area, maybe 3 from border to Newport ) and I am convinced they come down right to a place they find " tolerable " and skirt along river corridors just above normal human access or use. The cycle they likely follow in the colder climates must be large and in thick timber so the ice plate deposits from melt and refreezing cover a lot of their recognizable prints and destroy details that give it away. I believe Grassman58 on youtube has found a few suggestive trackways over the years. Being close to edge habitat for deer, elk and remote valleys with running waterways would be priority. My only guess would be they reduce activity massively, perhaps have some caches and operate at on deficit until snow breaks up. I would not be surprised to find out one day they can reduce their metabolic rate in the colder months, some form of torpor but not true hibernation. I have heard some far north native tribes are reported to have this ability to a degree. I could see them taking advantage of shafts and shallow cave systems but I want to know why we don't find preserved tracks in the cave floor if that is the case. There are a variety of snow trackways from nearby your area and they tend to occur around periods of bad weather, one I remember was about a guy found a set of prints that crossed his property near the Priest River area and they led up hill to a mangled deer completely disemboweled and meat pulled from the body, he noted bloody butt marks, hand prints and knee prints in the snow around the carcass. This was back around 2008 or something, the tracks went up hill into timber through some nasty thick regrowth and the guys could not follow as the snow was bucketing down and night was falling. I met the guy and heard his story first hand at the Klondike Tavern in Laclede, WA just before he moved to Alaska ( Thorn Bay ). I heard a similar story about someone finding snow prints up Dry Canyon Rd in 2014, tracks crossed the road and went up hill toward the north to south ledge above the river, I tried to get in touch with the witness but he was native and did not want people to think he was crazy so he would not get in touch with me. I also got a report of a snow trackway behind Freeman Lake in February of 2017, guys brother told me a little about it but said that he would not talk to anyone as he was a totally recluse. The other factor is that people out in these more harsh environments and remote properties are generally tight lipped and don't like to share. They know stuff and you don't and they want to keep it that way. To just touch on the coast for a second, I have loads of data here that seems to indicate they are still moving through their core habitats and visit throughout the year, as noted in another thread. They seem to drop below the holding snowline and hang out in wet thick crap on the edge of big timbered slopes that border a variety of habitat types and resources, they then cycle through a kind of loop along preferred paths over the course of a couple weeks and return to the starting point. Outside of the coastal states, your guess is as good as mine honestly but we still get the occasional snow trackway in the dead of winter so my question would be, how is it happening if they go coastal? This where I am with the question and that is what I have come across in my 4 years investigating the Selkirk area and it did not add up to much. I 100% agree, if you can solve the winter strategy in snow holding areas then you can really move the ball forward.

People who argue that are arguing from "religion", not report data. The report data, taken as a whole, is very clear. Taking the next step, the body shape reports are indicative of something that is primarily a predator. BF seldom if ever is described as having a big sloppy gorilla style gut needed for digesting masses of vegetation, they're described as having ripped abs .. ripped abs are not an herbivore characteristic. I think that just as black bears are omnivores that are primarily herbivorous but will opportunistically scavenge or even prey, bigfoot is technically an omnivore but primarily a predator, one that will not pass up a berry crop if handy. I suspect this is consistent .. maybe necessary .. for the large distances reportedly traveled. If you spend 16 hours a day chowing on weeds that's not much time left for walking, but if you can meet your nutritional needs in 15-30 minutes catching and consuming meat, there are many more hours available for travel .. or whatever else is available. Moreover, that reduced time spent foraging also means reduced time distracted and at risk of being seen. So we don't KNOW .. but like linear approximations in math, we can get within almost any distance from exact that we want to. And .. from those approximations we can devise tests, devise questions for study. Like .. science .. at least in a sort of loose hinged way. I think loose-hinged is fine, we have to remember we're still in discovery mode, not study mode.

Norse, can you give a general area (again, I know) as to where you saw those tracks? Nothing that would dox yourself, but some major landmark in the area? Any idea of what would be drawing a Bigfoot (or other large animal) south - farmland, elk migrating in that direction, getting to lower elevation? Just curious. Also, love your driveway (and the fact that I'm not the one who has to clear it in the winter!). Norse and Huntster, Is it safe to infer behavior from a limited number of trackways, no matter how long? Someone upthread mentioned meta-populations of animals that are well spread out and have wide home ranges (for lack of a better word). So even a long trackway of over a mile could be just a day trip to the grocery store for Bigfoot. It's not necessarily an indication that Bigfoot populations are making like snowbirds and heading south. In the northeast US and Canada, there are 51 reports from December, January, and February where the report either stated direction of travel or was detailed enough to allow a reasonable approximation of direction of travel.* Only 14 of those were traveling in some southerly direction; 25 were heading in a northerly direction. However, that doesn't tell the whole story. I crunched numbers that I had in 2017 and there was a visible southward movement (between 160 and 200 miles) in the number of reported encounters. * Normal disclaimers apply - small sample size, room for witness error, room for error in analysis, &c., &c., &c.

Yes, stream pathways that branch off are harder to access and have restrictions but I think equally important is the overwhelming record of sasquatch doing this activity at night. This reduces exposure and therefore sightings, what few are by the river are majority at night by campers or night fisherman on reservations. I do have several dusk vocalization events close to salmon pathways at dawn and dusk and one very up close sighting ( 20 feet under a high powered flashlight ) in the parking lot of salmon fishing area.

^Good example, and yes lots of reports from pickers of all kinds. BTW, there's plenty to learn about behaviors from select podcasts. I recently listened to an interesting report from a mushroom picker who was picking to make money, and had hired a whole crew to help. They got an aggressive confrontation in which the man's dog tried to attack and was killed by the big guy. I got the impression that the people had really messed up by overharvesting. That one starts about 50:00 in the first video. The second one I haven't entirely listened to but the title is on-topic.

You talked about Bigfoot needing to leave cover and be out in the open to forage. That’s a false assumption. I have picked huckleberries under a lodgepole pine canopy in Ferry county. Stuff grows IN the forest. That’s my statement. And yes? There are plenty of reports of berry pickers encountering Bigfoot. And yes there is a seasonality to it. https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=20802

They do. Just not as often as we'd like. This is partially because there are very few sasquatches and the sasquatches have taken up nocturnal or other behaviors to minimize contact. For example, bear encounters in berry patches occur in Alaska, but not nearly as often as they could, considering there are @ 140K bears, less than 1 million people, and an area over twice the size of Texas involved..............as well as the fact that people don't pick berries for a good 16 hours of the day.

I'm sure a lot of you already know about Lazy Cowboy's Bigfoot YouTube videos. If not, they are a MUST SEE. Lazy Cowboy does an excellent job taking the data from the PGF and creating a CGI recreations better than anything I have ever seen. Specifically, I recommend: 1) Bigfoot- Recreating Bluff Creek 2) Bigfoot- Recreating Bluff Creek Part 2 The Patteson Gimlin Film Route. <--- This is the best one. Outstanding. We can see points of view from any angle, through Roger's camera, through Patty's POV and so on. The terrain comes to life. For some already aware of the Lazy Cowboy videos, this is not news. Still, I would like to hear your thoughts on it and anywhere you might think Lazy Cowboy might get it wrong here or there. If you haven't seen these, don't walk, RUN to your computer and watch these Especially . Bigfoot- Recreating Bluff Creek Part 2 The Patteson Gimlin Film Route. They are amazing. The PGF site makes sense so much more sense to me now. One area I am uncertain about is his use of the shadows indicating the PGF was filmed at 3pm timeline not the 1 or 1:30pm. Give these a view.

The "why don't we find a body?" argument is deeply illogical, I believe, on two accords. 1) I was extremely fortunate to join with a wilderness S&R team for several years. In that time, I was on several searches that involved one missing human with limiting factors on their mobility (age, under the influence) whose last known point was well defined (e.g., a bar, an abandoned car in the woods, a small regional park). Even though most of our searches (in downstate New York) don't involve "wilderness," I was on two searches where people weren't recovered until months after they had disappeared despite extensive previous searches. The remains of a drunk teenager weren't recovered until months after he had disappeared in a search area less than 1 square mile, 75% of which was dense suburbs. In another case the remains of a man were recovered less than a quarter-mile from the State Park parking lot. In both cases, terrain and weather (snowfall) hid the body for months. Prior to my joining the team, they were involved in searches - again, in a relatively limited area - where remains have never been recovered. It's just not as easy to find what is at best a full human body in the woods. 2) What do wounded animals (including humans) do? My understanding of wildlife behavior is that wounded animals find the most secluded spot they can and attempt to burrow in. It took four days to find and rescue a man w/medical issues who had burrowed in (or just gotten weak and couldn't go any further) in a search that was covering less than 2 square miles in a suburban area of lower New York. I see no reason why Bigfoot would react any differently. Unless one is hit head on by a truck or a train, its going to limp as deep into the woods as it can. I agree that the lack of a body is a problem, I don't know if it rises to the level of suspicious.

In addition to predator/omnivore, don't forget scavenger. I'm not talking "roadkill" (although that's surely part of it), but similar to brown bears (whose eating behaviors and food preferences differ from black bears). Among the first spring meals they seek out are winter kills, which are more numerous than most folks think. An example, beyond starved ungulates, are sheep, goats, and deer killed by avalanches. I remember a snow avalanche that killed a small herd of sheep on the Kenai Peninsula that attracted lots of brown bears the following spring. As a hunter, I read a lot of ADFG Management Reports. They do pay attention and even conduct studies on predator effects on ungulates, and this has grown exponentially as the environmental movement has put political pressure on predator management. But the effect of so few sasquatches is more than minimal compared to humans (hunters, car drivers, trains, poachers, etc), bears, wolves, and lions, so sasquatch predation can easily be swallowed up by the rest of the predators. https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/research/wildlife/speciesmanagementreports/pdfs/moose_2015_2025_smrp_gmu_14a.pdf I'm sure that the dead body/skeleton thing is primarily a thing regarding their rarity. For example, there are an estimated 30K-40K cougars and an estimated 60K-80K wolves in North America. Humans? 380 million in the US and Canada. Of those millions of people in North America, some 630K are reported as missing, although we know many of them are alive and want to be missing, or are held by others. Compare all that to an estimated 5K sasquatches. I've found skeletons in the woods. I Initially thought them as human (no skull) and called the Troopers. They turned out to be poached goat or sheep. I've found lots of moose and caribou skeletons or carcasses. Never bear or wolf...............or human. If someone found a sasquatch skeleton, including the skull, what are they most likely to do? My bet is that they'd either call the local police (thinking they're "human"), or they'd walk away. I doubt they'd call fish and feathers, the FBI, or another agency. And if the local police investigate, what are they likely to do if they come to realize that these remains are...............funny? My bet is that they'd contact................somebody else?

Agreed. If it’s primarily an herbivore then winter becomes a very hard sell. Yes. The coast of the Pacific NW is typically devoid of snow. But most of the northern U.S. and Canada where many reports come from have a real winter. That’s a problem for a primate herbivore IMHO. So unless they all migrate into a tiny area along the ocean, they must eat meat. But we don't know what we don’t know, but they don’t discover black holes by looking for them. You cannot observe a black hole. But what you can do is observe the effects of a black hole on the stars and planets around it. If Bigfoot is primarily a predator? Then its effects on ungulate populations that we track MUST be in the data. I really liked the bone study that BTW was doing. Hope all is well with him.

That’s why I am looking at it. 👍

You're probably going to start thinking I'm picking on you .. I'm not trying to. a) you have to ask "useless to whom?" b) who gets to define "encounter"? I absolutely look at food availability, location, season, type, effort to extract, etc. when I think about looking for bigfoot. It's far from the only factor but it does have to be consistent with the rest. Where there isn't food enough, then we're looking at travel rather than occupancy.

I believe that the limited like evidence can be safe food for inference, but not solid enough to establish behavior. In the two examples I used above (Sunnyslope and Bossburg), both were in mid-winter, both were in central or east Washington (on the east side of the Cascades, and thus not in the coast range), and both left a long trackway (miles). As Nathan correctly clarified about my post on sasquatches in the Coast Range moving towards beaches to utilize beach foods, this is not likely at all of sasquatches in mountain ranges east of the Coast Range, like the Rockies, Blues, Cascades (south of the Columbia River), Sierra Nevada, etc (although sightings and trackways found in California's Central Valley in winter even infers that they might migrate to the Coast Range from the Sierras, or vice versa, on occasion). Peter Byrne once found a trackway in snow. I forget where regionally. He followed them through difficult terrain for miles. I don't think he theorized a general direction or motivation for the travel. The most notable thing I remember about his account was, at one point, the tracks walked atop a large fallen log covered in snow, and then the track maker jumped several feet to another snow covered fallen log. He was impressed, writing that such a jump was not possible by a hoaxer. What I find disappointing about his account is that his report on it, from his personal experience, is recorded in one of his books, but otherwise is lost to a queryable database search so that it might be available to help alleviate one of your recognized disclaimers (small sample size).....................

More rain Monday and soft soil, it's usually baked solid starting in July, but not this year it's crazy, more prints from yesterday and more than one source, and a cool mud slid......Rambo is learning to track the Hairyman the same as last wolfy Lulu did:) Yeah, he can jump on the kitchen counter flat footed without making a sound, bad boy LMAO!

Read this section from the regulations, especially the highlighted part. Do you know anything at all about salmon .. salmon fishing, etc? The places most people fish for salmon are main stem rivers, water 5 feet to 30 feet deep, and often a couple hundred yards wide. As shown above we are not allowed to fish for them in the kinds of places a sasquatch might attempt to catch them .. the spawning areas. The bulk of those are in places quite inaccessible to humans. Not impossible, but difficult, and it is highly improbable that an average urban person is going there. There isn't the overlap between humans and salmon vulnerable to bigfoot predation that you seem to assume there is. The literature says they DO eat salmon. Consider the Olympic Project "nests" area. Little finger ridges in horribly dense huckleberry brush over spawning streams. Same thing occurs in the northern Oregon coast range based on reports I've taken and also in the mid and south coast areas. Or consider what David Paulides reports learning from the lower Klamath River tribal people regarding "things" stealing salmon from their nets at night.

I happen to know where that pic was taken. It (and other such waterfalls along the Alaska coast) are almost all now within either national parks or other classified areas with human behavior restrictions because brown bears congregate there. There are a few in southeast Alaska like that where black bears congregate, too, but mostly under the cover of thick vegetation. There are lots of rivers and creeks where bears fish. They might not do so in congregations like McNeil River or Brooks Camp, but they're there. One rarely sees them because they'll come out at night when we go to bed. I'm thankful for that. I let them have the night. I think sasquatches have creeks where they like to fish, but they're almost assuredly in locations devoid of man. I think they know the dangers of mankind, and their priority is to avoid us. They do so even better than the bears.

I remember the story! Cliff has them on his website. https://cliffbarackman.com/home/projects/footprint-database/database-contents/2005-priest-river-id/ I still say a snow bike has the potential to follow a snow trackway to its conclusion. And if we don’t want to kill it? Then a crossbow with a biopsy dart is the next best thing.

We've had a fair amount of rain, especially the horrible flooding in July.....not used to finding so many interesting prints, still have a bunch to post from the last several months, the last one is an oldie in Limestone. Some of the pics have multiple prints & sizes.

My only issue that I have been struggling with for years is what happens in winter? 7.5 lbs of animal fat and protein means your hunting. In winter? Hunting means tracks. Lots of tracks. And ungulates move down the mountain closer to human habitation. And 3 lbs of fruit, nuts or leaves would have to be stockpiled for winter. Which also means that during the summer months they would need to double their forage rate. We can say they all migrate to the coastal forests where winter is sparse. But that would definitely compress the population into a much smaller area. Which would make them much easier to find? If they just hunker into a cave or mineshafts in winter and go semi dormant then these lairs should be easy to locate? As most of them are mapped. Maybe depending on the region? Survival tactics vary? At least in the Pacific NW? I say if you unlock the mystery of winter with this species? Then that will be the final hurdle to discovery.

Hello there, I have been looking at your thread on and off and I'm just wondering how far from your house are you finding these footprints? I was camping out in Oregon near Prospect, Oregon, around 1980 and about two in the morning I woke up and Bigfoot was looking at me from about 50 to 60 ft away. I started doing field work and looking for bigfoot, and I got a little freaked out because there were 3 or 4 incidents when Bigfoot was acting paranormal. I attached a sketch of what I saw. I have no idea what your property looks like and some of Texas is Desert and other parts of Texas I believe have forest and brush. How do you describe your property? There's 161 pages on this thread so I'm sorry if I'm asking questions because I I don't have time to go back and read all 161 pages. I'm going to have to do some catch up so can I ask questions and can make intelligent comments. How far from the closest town are you and how many people live in the town? Do you think the Bigfoots that live around there are dangerous or shy or what kind of personalities do you think they have? What kind of an area do you think the bigfoots are making their dens in?

Having some major rain which is great! Creeks are finally running good, and these 2 stepped across the creek, I couldn't begin to make this step in one move like they did.

I think the reason is because its pointless anyways and they know it but they have a reality TV show to film with a camera crew and make up artists included in tow . Thermal will never be enough because look at through all the 6 seasons how many times they filmed a blob of something then they say where did it go it's gone!! with scary music. If they could actually get some clear day time footage it would go a long way at least in filming something that would make national news . Would it be proof? maybe not but it would be a lot better than thermal blob spots which they always seem to have .

Unless the “Bigfoot Calorie intake “ issue is used to capture (in body or film) bigfoot the issue is useless. It only matters if it leads to an encounter. Otherwise it doesn’t matter.

If bigfoot constantly has to search for berries and mushrooms, Bigfoot will have to be doing more grazing constantly searching for food. More grazing means more exposure out in the open. This should mean higher risk of being seen. My guess is Bigfoot eats meat in the form of what it can find. Whatever living thing one can find in a creek bed is on Bigfoot's menu. Eating meat means filling up Bigfoot sooner with less effort. This matches the idea we don't see heards of Bigfeet running around looking for food all day. There are a lot of large animals who are herbivores. They tend to be grazing all the time. This does show though Big animals can find food and fill their needs only on fruits and veggies and plants. I just think it makes more sense Bigfoot being a mixed diet animal who benefits from eating all of it. Here is what that plant-eating Elephant does for food: "They normally graze between 15 – 20 hours per day, which is why large spaces are essential for allowing elephants to eat for the amount of time and get the amount of nutrition they would in the wild. They can ingest approximately 150kg (330lbs) of natural browse in a day." Looks at a typical salad some 200lbs adult male might eat for dinner (hopefully one that will fill them up) "A large salad can contain a wide range of calories depending on its ingredients: 200 to 700 calories for a simple garden salad to richer varieties like Caesar or Cobb salads. Some estimates suggest it can range from 370 to 850 calories based on specific ingredients and their quantities. "