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This thought about tracks and encountering other critters .. I still think the most likely to be dangerous is other humans. There are a lot of good people out there. It only takes one problem person, though sometimes those travel in packs. Watch out around campgrounds and trailheads, they present a predatory person with an ideal opportunity .. people with their guard down, possibly few witnesses, and a ready way to escape / fade into the crowd (traffic). Maintain situational awareness .. ear buds out, cell phones pocketed / put away, hands free, and keys handy. You want to be able to walk to your car, open the door, throw in your pack, climb in, and drive away with no searching for keys etc while you are at your maximum exposure to risk. Probably all will be cool, but it is better to be over prepared than under prepared.

I don't think sasquatchery is dying. SERIOUS, science-based sasquatchery is dying, pop-culture and wootard sasquatchery seems to be taking off .. unfortunately. It's become the equivalent of pink flamingos and lawn gnomes. It is very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. It has driven most of the serious researchers .. the ones not dead yet .. underground to get away from the "noise." There is nothing this forum can do about it. The world has moved "forward" in a not very appealing direction.

Looks like 37 members voted. Top 5 1) Latest Bigfoot News 2) Researcher Discussions 3) Researcher Media 4) PGF Discussion 5) Historical Archive Library If you combine 2 and 3? You can see that researchers are truly our most valuable resource on this forum! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you to all of our “boots on the ground” members who share their findings, pictures, audio, etc! I also want to thank Trogluddite for expanding the Historical Archive! 👍

Yes, at least at times. I'm not too concerned when I'm in my "research area" or in other parts of this general area. I know I'm watched, followed, occasionally on the losing end of what seem to be practical jokes / pranks. I think if I were in danger there I'd have turned up missing long ago. They're only there when safe food is plentiful. Other places I'd be more calculatingly cautious at least until I learned the vibe / ground rules of the place. I don't care for finding cougar or bear tracks in my tracks when I return. That puts my hackles up much more than BF does. And now we have wolves in increasing number / increasing distribution, some that have learned to overcome / ignore human hazing. Bigfoot is the least of those worries.

I want to thank Forums management for the opportunity to expand the historical archives. I've had a Newspapers.com subscription for awhile but was using it for other reasons. I really didn't think of its use for Bigfoot-related research until I was fact-checking a book of historical sightings and I discovered more newspaper articles than I could possibly make use of. It would have been a shame just to stuff that research into a closet and force others to re-invent the wheel.

Lightning Crick to Trestle crick Cabinet Mountains Idaho 12 degrees and about 1 foot of snow up top. Bullwinkle would not yield the road for awhile.

To quote Ripley, "has everyone's IQ's dropped while I've been in a cryogenic sleep the last 40 years?" Or something like that. And the answer is that IQs and attention spans have both dropped, phenomenally. Someone on Facebook posted an 8th grade civics test from circa 1880. I'm pretty sure I'd fail if I took it cold turkey. You can find numerous articles on colleges complaining that incoming classes need remedial math and instruction on how to read and analyze literature. So, it's not shocking that a forum like this one which doesn't have glitzy AI-generated recreations of "How Bigfoot interrupted our basketball game, dunked, and left" or 15-minute videos of "The Top 10 Most Horrific Bigfoot Attacks in Manhattan" can't compete for an audience used to getting their information in 60 second Tik-Toks. If that's what's askew with this Forum, I'm okay with keeping the recipe the same. Cliff & Bobo and Greg Pruitt mentioned on one of the last Bigfoot n' Beyond podcasts that at one time, the BFF was the place to go for Bigfoot information as it was an improvement over message boards and relatively open (i.e., no gatekeepers who "owned" the forums and ruled them with an iron fist, like some field research organizations). But now, to get visibility in a monetized world, you need people willing (and capable) of pounding out blog posts in 15 minute increments or video shorts on 18 different platforms. I just don't think that's what the Forums are (and I'm okay with that). As to Reddit, never has so much been said with so few words; well done, Beachfoot. (Okay, technically, the Commander, American Forces in and around Bastogne did better, but you still win the day here.) Even for the non-cesspool aspects of Reddit, it's just not an easy system to use and information in it gets lost faster than virtue in a ... in a place where virtue is lost quickly. I had a baseball site that was like a local bar. When Vox took it over, the regulars looked for a new place where everybody knew your name and Reddit was not it. It was difficult to find even basic threads on the topic there. Rant over. I"ll go back outside to shake my fist at some clouds now.

Yah my cousins are flooding in Sedro Wooley! Blue sky is nice! Been a good visit with my daughters family.

Nah, more like Twix...

Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy New Year! Catching up on some interesting pictures....cheers:)

Yeah, Bullwinkle can be very obstinate about his right-of-way. I encountered a very large-racked specimen in the Yahk watershed while elk hunting from my mountain bike on an abandoned logging RR. He kept plodding towards me, ignoring my hollering and whistling, until I had no choice but to turn around and ride away. Of course, moose were closed to hunting at the time.

They found artifacts from where the cabin was standing and a short distance away is a gold mine. This is stunning news.

There are reports out of "woo-land" that are impossibly large for F&B. Bone structure wouldn't support the weight. Rather than say "liars", I'm going to say "I'm not sure what they saw, even if they perceived it as bigfoot." I would say that 14 foot range is about right. A witness described one giant BF that would occasionally visit her dad's property ducking under a branch they measured at 14 feet. That doesn't mean it HAD to duck, might have cleared, might not have, but it stooped slightly when it went under. I watched her interact with a group of other bigfooters. I began thinking she was just a "groupie" wanting to fit in. After 4-5 days in the field, I came away thinking she was the only one of the bunch that was legit, the rest were slightly delusional. I'm inclined to go with her report. The first one I saw .. I don't think was 14 but I think it was some amount over 10 because BFs have legs shorter, relative to torso length, than ours, and it was crotch deep in water that hit me right at chin level .. 4.5 to 5 feet deep. The math simply requires it to be over 10 feet, possibly nearer 12. If that is the one that left the tracks I saw 2 years earlier, it leaves 24-1/2 inch tracks. When I talked to Henner Fahrenbach a few years later he said the biggest tracks in BFRO's "library" that weren't debunked were 27 inches. So .. math, not concrete evidence, but again, backing into that same answer. One of the Canadian guys, I think either Dahinden or Green, mentioned having some initial doubts about the authenticity of the Nor Cal (Bluff Creek, etc) tracks because the shape was different than what they were used to researching in Canada. Those northern tracks, they wrote, were comparitively longer and narrower, and had the slightest hint of curve .. but not an arch! .. rather than the very broad shape of the nor cal style tracks. What they describe for tracks matches what I found. I wonder if what I saw, and the tracks I saw, weren't from a long distance traveler rather than a resident. That said .. unproven. Should be considered but also should be taken with a substantial grain of salt. We are still in discovery, not in study.

Here is a video chronicling our investigation into an area that we recently located using report data and terrain analysis. There is some interesting stuff happening up there and we will be going back and monitoring the lower elevation edges throughout the winter.

I enjoy the people that are here and there is more content across this boards history than one could ever get through. Nothing needs to change, I was simply pointing out that forums are not dying but smaller communities are. You are doing just fine.

you have your mind made up and new data doesn't get through because you are anti science and closed minded.

Reddit is a cesspool.

You must be an old guy.

I kept forgetting to come back here and vote. Going by the reasons as stated, mine would be, 1) Researcher Expedition Media (pictures, etc. 2) Researcher Discussions 3) PGF Discussions I'd say my favorite section is the 'Film, Video, Photos, Audio'. I like to see pics and videos of possible evidence. Even if not all are genuine, it's still good to see or listen to what's out there and gets posted on here.

I'm partial to Cabin in the Woods. And a close second is Hellbent Holler.

I think my two favorite channels are Sasquatch Theory and Grassman 58

I mean, that’s a place you can always investigate. I kind of take that as proof they’re real and there.

Envious. What is that blue patch above the mountain? Other than a shower a week ago that barely got the asphalt wet, we haven't seen rain in a long time, but we also have not seen the sun. Wake up to drippy fog, kinda burns off to thick white haze, returns to drippy fog, and gets dark. It gets old. Apparently we've got a pretty serious storm coming in Monday/Tuesday. In a way, I'm looking forward to the change, but I also remember "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

Caught him on the 360 cam!

That article from Seattle Magazine about the man kidnapped by a Sasquatch….happened in 1961. I think these incidents must have occurred countless times and are at least partly responsible for unsolved disappearances. I’ve wondered if Sasquatch swoops from trees and scoops up hikers and hunters etc. After a close call with a mountain lion in a tree, I was very careful to check trees for lurking cats , or bears. And that’s when I discovered rock stacks in a tree and subsequent trips I observed the rock stacks changed arrangements and also rock types. It did make me uneasy and after creepy experiences, I quit going there. And one of the reasons was the realization that Sasquatch could ****** people off the ground , even though I had never heard of it, just seeing those rock stack changes prompted me to think of Sasquatches in trees … Really fascinating account of Sasquatches using fire and living in a network of caves and what seemed to be like a Sasquatch village.

I would agree that if you have sasquatches around, the bears are probably not. It's funny that the most famous nighttime sasquatch terror stories are the kidnappings of Albert Ostman and Muchalat Harry, both of which occurred in the 1920's........also when the Ape Canyon cabin attack occurred. No (or little known) kidnappings since. A sasquatch kidnapping might still beat a bear mauling while wrapped up in a tent...........

Nah, HOAX!! There's a secret society of hoaxers that go around and plant bigfoot tracks so that unsuspecting hikers/snowplow operators/etc. will find them. Others in their group run around in Bigfoot costumes, anytime, anywhere. Sorry. Just feeling snippy this morning and need more coffee. In fact, I felt so snippy that I forgot to hit "Submit Reply" and will have to drink twice the usual coffee tomorrow morning....

Most definitely, if not in grizzly country........but sasquatches might be "human"........... Tom lions and mature boar black bears are very definitely predators of solitary people, especially kids and small women. I don't fear wolves at all now, having numerous encounters with them at face to face range.........unless there's a pack of them. Even then, they've never snuck up on me. I seem to have the body language that works with them. I've never heard of a lion dragging somebody out of a tent at night, but I don't have to worry about them up here. That's my ultimate bear fear. I feel a lot better about it if I think I can get my hand on my sidearm. At least that's what I tell myself. Vipers are my nightmare. Bears are easy.

Pretty pictures, @norseman!

The paranormal woo aspect is quite disappointing. It is my opinion that these are excuses for no proof of the creatures existence. Better time could be spent procuring a body on a slab instead of being explained by Science fiction. This only makes the case that the creatures probably don't exist in any form. Ufos by definition are certainly real. Are they manned by extraterrestrials,probably not.

So when the debate gets too hot for you? You name call and threaten to leave. You wouldn’t have lasted five minutes on here when I joined so long ago. If you leave that’s your choice.

And how do you know he is more interested in learning than selling things? Do you see your own double standard being applied now? You do this often. This guy finds Bigfoot stick structures in Colorado every 50 feet and is to be believed. But this guy writes books and is a con artist. You know what I believe in? I believe in PROOF. And it’s been my experience that people who get involved in the WOO? Are the ones willing to give up on providing PROOF. It’s a crutch. A cop out. We followed the Bigfoot tracks and then they just disappeared. Well did a 800 lbs primate suddenly levitate into the air? Or did you just lose the trail? If Bigfoot is self aware? (Great apes are as well) It understands it’s leaving tracks. And it may well use counter tracking tactics against humans. No UFOs, portals or woo necessary. And finally Steve Isdahl is a hunter. Meldrum was a primate locomotion scientist. Nothing against hunters….. but come on. Everything we know about Bigfoot locomotion comes from Meldrum and Krantz. Isdahl reads stories sent to him from the public on a you tube channel. You believe whom ever you want to believe.

You called him a “con man”. Which would imply everything out of his mouth is a lie. I said it wasn’t so and invited you to prove otherwise. You never did. Go back and read through the comments if your memory is foggy. The 411 cases HAPPENED. Dennis Martin is still missing. I bought the cripple foot track casts from Dr. Jeff Meldrum. And Ron Moorhead sells the Sierra sounds…. I guess they are all “con men” too in your mind? Their association with the woo doesn’t change my opinion about audio sounds, dental resin or missing people. We need a body.

This triggered a thought. We have had some discussion about "local circuits" ... not annual migration, but places where the bigfoots might cycle through an area, always moving, but coming past the same spots once a week, or every other week, etc so there is no daily concentration of activity but over a fairly short period of time, there are repetitions. This could considerably complicate understanding the report data in a particular location.

I read missing 411 Western USA and Eastern USA saw some of his Missing 411 movies as well I'm starting to think he is more of a profit agent

I think some are some aren't. In my area we see indications of both. My hunting / hiking / bigfooting buddy works some weekends on a ranch where there appears to a low level of year around activity. Likewise, where we hike, camp, fish, and where I do my main research, the activity is very very seasonal and can seemingly be followed leading up to presence there and after presence there ends. I would expect that in some areas with different conditions there would be a greater propensity towards year round occupation in some place and greater propensity towards only seasonal occupation .. ie migration. So I think you have to look at the specifics of a given location and answer for that location rather than trying to give a single answer that covers all situations, all locations. There is a hole in that as well, potentially, and that is that it is not just "my" spot that is active at that one time, there's a mountain chain over 1000 miles long and the activity peaks within a week in any given year the whole length of the dang thing so it is possible that rather than migration, what we're seeing is some quirky seasonal change of behavior. Or .. BOTH. Because, again, we do see activity to the north 4-6 weeks earlier and to the south 3-4 weeks later. It may be both migration and seasonal something peaks converging. The data is sparse and we have to be cautious about over-investing in specific interpretations which might not fit a fuller data set.

All things BiGFo0T

Belated Happy Thanksgiving to all. Was on KP, eating, and cleanup duty all day yesterday.

Hope you and your family had a wonderful day. I am still full.

Shell casing found 43:30

I should have put these 3 pics together with a better explanation.....the stick A-frame in the first pic appeared one day recently by the Spring in the 2nd pic, and the 3rd pic is a trail probably leading to one of their sleep areas, and no I don't go there and respect their privacy...this Spring is one of the few places that will still hold water, even during droughts.

Ron Morehead seems like a really nice guy. But he is not a physicist. Neither am I. But I do have a basic foundation of knowledge. Converting matter into energy. Yes. Thats true. E=mc2 We have fission. Thats a nuclear bomb. Or a nuclear power plant. Highly radioactive. Atoms are split and energy is released. We have fusion. Thats our sun. Under intense gravitational forces it combines hydrogen atoms to produce photons aka sunlight. We have never recreated it on earth. And at Cern they are accelerating matter and antimatter particles at ridiculous speeds and colliding them which releases energy and new particles. None of this is particularly healthy to biology up close and personal. But at a distance like say from the sun to the earth? Its a key element in life. In fact a flower converts photons into sugars that builds matter. It’s called photosynthesis. This is how plants grow on earth. Absolutely none of this is revolutionary. But it’s also not applicable to a biological creature cloaking itself at will. I.e. Hiroshima’s “little boy” bomb was 141 lbs of enriched uranium. An 800 lbs Sasquatch would destroy 5 large cities every time it converted itself from matter to energy. And of course vaporizing itself in the process. And irradiating a very large area as well. This idea of converting mass to energy and back to mass again sounds conspicuously like the transporter room on the Star Ship Enterprise. Its science fiction. And even then Capt Kirk needs the star ship and crew to complete the task. I have no idea where a 800 lbs Sasquatch would be hiding such advanced technology assuming that its even possible. Which by our current understanding of physics it is not. So I think this theory is dead on arrival.

But they are dying. I mentioned three right off the top of my head. The BFRO has moved their forum to Facebook specifically. We are not a social media platform like Reddit or Facebook. I personally do not like social media platforms. But it would seem people like me are a minority.

Reddit Bigfoot has grown from 100K follows 2 years ago to 250K followers today. That isn't insignificant. Forums are as popular as ever, but something is askew with the recipe on this specific site. How many people actually post here in a month?

This fall! His is a hog!

Chest did not heal…again. Go see surgeon tomorrow. So I have taken myself off of light duty. And I went for a Wolf hunt in Idaho. Went over Gisborne ridge. Lots of fog down low, finally broke out up high. I saw lots of deer and elk. Whitetail and elk on the way out down low. Mule deer up high. No wolves. There was about 4 inches of snow up top in the shade.

No. For some people they are OBSERVATIONS. The difference is huge. MIB

Very good learning tool but I disagree with his approach toward declination. "East is least and west is best" sounds simple but it adds an element of work in the field that, in my opinion, is totally unnecessary. Moreover, if a person is trouble, because they are injured or suffering from hypothermia, and not thinking correctly, they may add the declination rather than subtract it. Now, they will be far off course and that error may needlessly cost them their life. I always draw declination lines on my map in the confort of my home and before I ever go into the woods. That way, I can take readings on the fly without ever having to orient the map. The declination lines drawn in advance cure that problem. A few other issues can rear their ugly head in the field that cause taking a reading a challenge. How do you easily orient the map so when there is a torrential downpour? When you took a reading, were you sure there wasn't metallic substance in a rock just below the surface you laid the map that could affect the magnetic needle? With my approach, I can lay the map on an electromagnet and it doesn't matter. I'm no longer using the magnetic needle to take a reading. My approach allows you to take a reading the fly, in rain or snow. It doesn't matter, it is quick, and there is no stopping to orient the map. Here is the best information I've ever found that talks about navigation skills and terrain association and it demonstrates the map-marking technique I mentioned above: https://www.adkhighpeaksfoundation.org/adkhpf/navagation.php Here are two video that show the technique of drawing magnetic north lines on a map. The bottom one discsusses declination at length if you are so inclined: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpXibF_yK2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peu7uMp0cVU Edited because I wanted to link a 2nd video by the same individual

I got out for a solo run on Sunday afternoon to the Bear Creek watershed on the east side of Harrison Lake. The weather was mild and broken clouds, until I reached the summit of the east ridge of the valley, when the wind picked up and brought in cold showers. Of course, I didn't take any pictures on the way up, so all I captured was cloudy views of the lake, 4600' below. The only signs of wildlife were some deer tracks, bear scat, a few squirrels, and 1 skunk, but it was refreshing to get out in the mountains after a few weeks in town.

Gigantor, thank you, especially when you helped me after I fell and was in ICU 11 nights, and 28 more in Rehab. You don't know how much you did. Norseman! Welcome to the helm! I know you will do a great, and grand job of guiding this bark through the choppy seas of Bigfootin.' Thank you for taking on the task. Regards, JHector