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502 was definitely a bad gateway. Glad to see it was not our pathway

And a HUGE shoutout to Gig for all he does to keep this place up and running! IT is not a easy thing to keep going at times.

Just wondering if its still the seething hotbed of opinions and contention it was always rumored to be.....also I'm still curious about the purple glow.........lol

I think the best circumstantial evidence was obtained by the Olympic Project.

The distinction I am trying to make? Is that a Bear is not self aware. It doesn’t recognize itself in a mirror, it attacks the mirror. It doesn’t understand that it’s leaving tracks that others can follow either. It itself tracks like a bloodhound, on scent. It has poor eyesight, but most importantly it’s not self aware. Knuckle walking great apes are self aware. They may react like a Bear at first. But they quickly figure out they are seeing their own reflection. Jeff Meldrum talks about making Chimp casts and observing the chimps be self aware of their own footprints in the sand. So if knuckle walking great apes are self aware? Surely a bipedal Sasquatch is more self aware than they are. This is the cognition part that most animals lack. So back to tracks. If you live in the woods and are hunting and foraging in the woods? You’re gonna leave sign. It’s inescapable. The key difference is having the cognitive ability to understand this. And if you don’t want to be found? Then you’re going to mitigate the risk as much as feesably possible. But you cannot erase it entirely. But if you understand this concept you can also use it as a WEAPON against the trackers. You could leave a short track way in the opposite direction of your families intended travel. You could stage a track in an area where you can easily observe your trackers from concealment. A false trail buys you time while the tracker has to sort it out. There are lots of counter tactics in the game of tracker and being tracked. This leaves the territory of a hunter tracking a deer through the woods. This is military and law enforcement territory. Where a tracked human could be leading you into an ambush. Now you’re asking yourself things like? Why is this track left in such an obvious way? Is it a misdirection? Are we being observed? Is it a stall for time? You may be a city slicker but if you’re honestly interested in this subject? There are lots of good books to read and you can practice some of it in your own backyard or a park. I observed a trackway in snow with my father. I have zero doubt that a Sasquatch knows it’s leaving tracks. IT KNOWS. So the question then becomes did it care? Or could it not be helped? If it doesn’t care then it probably has an ulterior motive. Which should send a cold shiver up your spine. But in our case hunting for a Xmas tree in an area we normally would not be in that time of year? And in deep snow? It probably just couldn’t be helped. In that case it’s probably betting on the fact that a human on snowshoes just cannot keep up in deep snow in mountainous terrain. And it is impossible to erase a snow trackway anyhow. So make haste. I have mulled this concept over in my head many times. Even when I am out in the woods looking for tracks. A quarry that understands that you could be tracking it? Is a paradigm shift for most hunters, hikers and lay people. Tracks will never be the smoking gun. Dental resin casts are great conversation pieces but nothing more. But tracks will lead you to the creature…. That’s a certainty. IF we are good enough to follow them and the weather holds.🤷‍♂️ The ultimate game of hide and seek.

https://www.science.org/content/article/mysterious-orange-lipped-monkey-discovered-deep-congo-rainforest-new-species I'm surprised that this doesn't have a thread yet. It seems tangentially relevant. This line I found interesting: "The Likweli monkey was first caught on camera in 2008, when a research expedition snapped a blurry photo of a black-pelted primate they didn’t recognize." That's right folks, all started with a blobmonkey!

For those who doubt the usefulness of DNA in identifying Bigfoot as a new species or a Homo sapiens hybrid, please read this paper on the Likweli monkey, which has extensive DNA results to demonstrate its place in monkey phylogeny as a distinct species. A similar paper on the Lesula monkey, another recent discovery, can be found in PLOS ONE.

^^^ This is a point Anna Nikaris has made about Bigfoot. She discovered some similar primate in Asia herself a few years ago. Never know what is out there.

For the moment, my little chunk o' heaven is calm. The East Evans Creek Fire (15,800 acres?) seems under control. The state fire marshal team tasked with structure protection left a week ago. The local IMT under state forestry has completed their 2 week rotation and has been replaced by a joint team from California and Australia. North-central and Eastern Oregon are a different situation. Something over 1.5 million acres have burned / are burning, several fires well beyond 100K acres, and today they're under a "PDS" red flag warning, not a red flag warning. I'd never heard the term. PDS is particularly dangerous situation. Low humidity, winds to 50 mph over active fires, and not enough resources to address new starts. Despite all of the conspiracy nonsense, these are lightning fires other than East Evans Creek which was the result of a car hitting a power pole and dropping live lines into dry brush.

How dare you question my opinion. When I said "thoughts?", I wasn't actually asking and I surely didn't expect anyone to provide anything worthwhile. Don't you know who I am? I'm like Ralphy in A Christmas Story after turning in his theme and in his mind getting an A+++++, with his classmates hoisting him upon their shoulders, and you are the teacher bringing me back to reality. Oh the gall of some people. Seriously though. Thanks for that. I did considered the car aspect and this was found several miles from the nearest road, so ruled that out. Stepping in holes? Maybe, maybe one leg, maybe and that is even far fetched in my mind. Let's examine this post mortem. What is going to scavenge in Minnesota? Coyotes, wolves, bears, and cougars and none of those would create torque resulting in spiral fractures. I think the key to this discussion really is the evidence of the spiral fractures themselves. That in my mind is quite telling. All good conversations. As a side note, later that same night, I watched a 9 foot squatch through a thermal walk through the forest, check out our camp as a guy was playing his native flute, and then move away for a total of 15 minutes (story for another thread). I'm pretty sure that is swaying my views on these breaks, but nevertheless I think they are good evidence.

A friend works on / volunteers on a ranch along the next river corridor to the west. They have found several deer skeletons, meat removed, just tendons, bones, and hide, with the rear leg broken and the neck snapped inside of an open-air barn. This is consistent with observations from other places. Thoughts? Well, you did ask. I think it is useless so far as providing evidence for existence. There are far too many alternate explanations for it to be convincing to anyone. Deer break their legs either stepping in holes, being hit by cars, and so on. As tendons dry, they can bend the neck or other joints in ways consistent with deliberate manipulation. What my friend found, the photos you shared, are interesting information for people who've already decided for themselves that bigfoot is, or is most probably, real, but so far as moving anyone from non-believer to believer .. nah, not going to move that needle in the slightest. I wish to thank you for sharing, don't want you to regret that based on my seemingly negative comments. I find it interesting .. but I'm not someone who needs convincing. MIB

Happy Anniv. Mr and Mrs. Huntster! I hope you are both feeling much better. Heat index in TN, MS and AR has been 110-127 sometimes lately and IT is nasty. (Climate change denialists look away, there is nothing to see here.) But, yes, Happy Birthday, USA! Our leaders are doing a lot of stupid things right now, but hopefully common sense will eventually prevail. I have hope for the future because we have smart and wonderful kids who deserve much, much better and they will change things. The recent BFF outage was unprecedented; thank-you Gigantor and whoever else helped to get it running again. Semper Fidelis!

We have a pathway and a gateway? Next thing you know we'll get all high-falutin' and have whatever high-falutin' websites have. Maybe a portal?

Had me worried, that was a long one! I don't post much but still visit often...

I recently read this thread in full. Super fascinating.

Holy kamoley! It's good to be back! Great to see old friends, again.

Wow! This is great! I was afraid we were done for good.

Congrats on making it to 50, Mr & Mrs Huntster. Us long haulers seem to be a rarity these days, 62 years for my sweetie and I.

I've got a flu, and I just got Mrs. Huntster out of the hospital on Thursday. It's cloudy/rainy, but I like that better than heat. Our 50th wedding anniversary is at the end of the month. No plans. Life dictates our actions day by day, but I'm loving our Alaskan summer!

It's no secret that the BFF is struggling. It's no one's fault, and some good folks have worked hard to keep the lights on. I'm very grateful to them. The Tar Pit has dwindled, in conjunction with the forum's struggles. I would certainly welcome anyone seeking to dip a toe into its murky depths. Long live BFF!

I agree with you on this. To me Bigfoot is near extinction which explains a lot.

https://youtu.be/b2rKogbd7mI?is=hN0WusbckkQOPozR

This picture was sent to me by a friend. It’s Inchelium Washington. It on the Colville Indian Reservation. This is the Modrite fire. Stay safe folks! 🙏🏻😥

Funny you mention the logging trucks! I remember as a kid my folks took us on summer trips in the 25' foot motor home in the late 60s/early 70s. Up through California, oregon, and Washington into BC and Alberta a couple times and there were always a ton of trucks hauling logs, crazy like! And speaking of arson, I heard just the other day that there's been people betting on brush fires, their occurrences, maybe durations, etc on those new "bet-on-anything" online gambling sites. Now that's just asking for arsonists!

Fauna bone pile as a result of Glacial Lake Outburst Flood washing animals downstream until the wall of water dissipates and the dead animals 'pile up'. Muck piles have yielded bones of ancient animals to miners for many years. Many bones were washed out to sea in the Arctic and Bering Sea. Glacial Lake Outburst Floods were massive and repetitive.

There have been several sightings of Bigfoot in the past few years near the Missouri River at La Benite Park in Sugar Creek, at the conservation area in Sugar Creek, and in Independence, in that same general area. The Missouri River is 3.66 miles from the recent sighting, and .48 miles from the railroad line, which passes right by the Missouri River. Several people (including me) have heard things that could have been Bigfoot (heavy footsteps on the gravel late at night, loud grunts, and on two occasions, rails being banged against each other, which I doubt a human could do) along the railroad cut that goes directly behind my house, which is 2 miles from the most recent location. The cuts are heavily overgrown with bushes and trees. I need to write an article about these reports.

The "Public" involved in the world "Public opinion" would include a large groups of millions of people containing many sub groups. These groups would be expected to have various complicated thoughts on Bigfoot. Bigfoot is the concern here. I would have thought the Bigfoot issue as it relates to anyone in the public is a binary choice. You either believe in Bigfoot or you don't. Yet it is more complicated than that. My first thought might be the 3 "Public" camps. 1) Bigfoot doesn't exist 2) Bigfoot might/could exist 3) Bigfoot exists! If we consider group #3 Bigfoot Exists your post shows me there are further groups in just that group. That is, some might believe: -Bigfoot is an Alien riding on space ships. -Bigfoot is an animal known by the government and actively kept hidden from the public for scary reasons. - Bigfoot is real and the government is keeping it quiet until it captures one and can understand it. Until then they don't want hunters shooting at each other. -Bigfoot is a form of undiscovered ape man out there in the wilderness more human than ape and more or less human. -Bigfoot is some human like man Ape running around in the wilderness. -And so on and so on. If someone thinks the government knows and is actively involved in a secret Bigfoot conspiracy I would contend that is probably a very small number of people. I say this because it requires not just the belief in bigfoot but a government who can actively cooperate with Bigfoot and work to keep it quiet. When I say the Jury of Public opinion to me it means group 1 and group 2 can be moved to be more open-minded. Put another way its moving group 1 to group 2 or 3 to the extent you can. Does the government know or care? That is a sub discussion for those in Group 3. My guess would be only a minority of those in group 3 think that. Still, such an opinion could very well be true. I just don't happen to be one of them. I am open to the idea our government would want to keep important things from the public. Does Bigfoot reach that level? Not for me but I am in Group 2 at this time. Until I moved to group 3, I cannot seriously consider this at the same level as those already in group 3, with all due respect to those who do.

Paranthropus

Sure seems to doesnt it?

Giant squid are huge, the size of a school bus. They're extinct or nearly so, right? Impossible to film. Never before seen in their natural habitat? Turns out, there are tens of millions of giant squid in the oceans, plenty enough to support the current Sperm Whale population. Only a few years ago (literally, like 2024) we thought them near extinction, and had never filmed a live one except under extremely unusual accidental conditions or the few washed up on beaches or caught stuck to the mouth of a whale mid-meal. Now we can film them any time we want. The secret? Changing the light used to film the deep. This is an analogous situation to sasquatch, just in case you were wondering why I'm talking about giant squid.

Yes. But no elk hoof tracks in the cast area. So did it levitate out of its bed? The last act of a bedded elk getting up is standing on its hooves, right? Ive posted video of elk in the act of getting up before. So we should guard against blanket statements like this or the Jacobs creature was a bear because bear cubs where recently in the bait stand. My own personal experience is that I get a wide variety of species into my bait stand when i was doing it. And something with padded feet like a bear or a Bigfoot is harder to track.

I have consolidated the three Capturing Bigfoot threads under Skinwalker13 original posting. It has been moved to the PGF section. Thank you for your patience!

What does this nature discovery mean? Here are my completely uninformed thoughts: First, I applaud the logic. I will admit when we see something unusual, I am more prone to think it is in fact not unusual. It is just not as well understood. Well, maybe just not well understood by me. Once we understand it the real reason turns out to be pretty boring. I would like to offer 2 examples: 1- Plaster cast "fingerprints". I heard on TV shows how these plaster footprints of Bigfoot had dermal ridges. There was even claimed evidence of healed skin in the footprint's dermal ridge lines which "couldn't be faked". Jimmy Chilcutte became a household name in the Bigfoot world as the FBI fingerprint expert who pointed these things out. He concluded this could only be explained by an undiscovered primate making the prints. This may be the case, but his analysis was flawed it seems. The effect he noticed was able to be explained and reproduced by others giving the same ridges as an experimental result. This meant there could be other explanations for the same lines he based his conclusions on. 2- The Skookum casts were thought to be a bigfoot siting in the mud. It seems its more likely this was just a deer/elk type animal. Of the two which is more likely. We attribute things to unusual findings which can be significant. Sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. In the end we need to go wherever the facts take us. Are the findings explained by some other natural process or typical process?

Hello. Name is mark. I'm from Indiana. Haven't had any experiences but became interested in this subject after watching this old timer from my hometown talk about his involvement and interest in Bigfoot. His name is Don Worley. Anyways.. happy to be here. Look forward to chatting with everyone.

Hello from Ohio. I have had a few personal encounters and am interested in hearing about other people’s experiences.

^^^ Be safe if you go.

Any fire like this is horrible. I imagine a terrible fire would drive many animals toward safety and Bigfoot would be no exception. It's still a numbers game. 10,000 Deer on the move are easier to notice than 4 Sasquatch.

I agree with you .. but that's not relevant so far as moving the bar. What's in your mind, what's in my mind .. also not relevant to moving the bar. The only evidence that matters, so far as moving us closer to scientific acceptance, is evidence that skeptics and outright scoftics can't find an alternate explanation for. A body or a large enough piece to test and retest DNA from so many times that contamination or degradation is simply not a feasible explanation. There may be lesser evidence that draws scientists in .. then THEY will have to find the body instead of US, but ultimately it is going to come down to a body or major piece of a body. I wish I were wrong.

Hello all, I have been interested in bigfoot since 2012, when I remote viewed one in Missouri, then to my shock, he appeared in my driveway in person not long after. I've had multiple experiences over the past several years in Missouri and Illinois. I own the Unexplained Network, which has multiple shows about unexplained phenomena and of course, bigfoot. I cover the subject on my own podcast occassionally. I have a keen interest in the subject, and that is why I'm hositng two conferences this year, which I hope will continue into the future. I love hearing about other people's encounters and learning from professional invsetigators.I own the Unexplained Network, which has multiple shows about unexplained phenomena and, of course, Bigfoot.

Greetings! I'm Klaus. Never had an actual sighting, but heard quite a lot of strangeness in the woods I grew up. Always around fall.

Thank you for your work!

Thanks and praise!

Glad to see you're back. I received an unsafe warning earlier in the day, but they appear to be gone now.

a big THANK YOU to all the admins and behind-the-scenes folks who got the forum back on its feet again. Much appreciated.

WOW, we're back! I was hoping this would happen, I missed all of you.

Man, that shutdown had me worried! Glad to see the site back up and running! Huge round of applause for Gigantor, please.

I suggest that the plural of "bigfoot" is "bigfoot."