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I would suggest a home range model with a nomadic cycle of following resources completely every 2 to 3 weeks ( obviously deviating enough down from lasting snow ) along box-canyons and or benches that follow streams and smaller river pathways. This area would be chosen based on the ability to remain hidden, thermoregulation and browsing/hunting along the way. My data indicates constant movement cycle within a territory, they seem to hang in an area for not much longer than 3 or 4 days ( there have been certain months in certain areas that are exception ) and they basically travel for a day to another resource area along a known routine and hang out for a few days and so on, eventually they follow this general path all the way back around to the starting line and repeat but constantly flexing the path ( within 1 or 2 miles of bandwidth outside of direction of intended travel ) according to need or human activity. This model prevents patterning by prey and humans, prevents over browsing and resource devastation, explains the indifference and frequency of road crossing reports and provides a schedule that allows for gauging future resources to avoid scarcity periods. I plan on doing a thread thoroughly explaining it all in-depth in the near future.

I'll add another layer of complexity to this. If Bigfoot are a real species, they could exist as a meta-population. As a meta-population they live in small, mostly isolated groups distributed over patches of forest areas. These groups are highly mobile, moving among these forest patches (across hundreds of miles) and occasionally running into other groups for breeding. In the case of Bigfoot, they may even exchange information in some way — for example, avoid that forest to the south because deer are sick or the water is bad or the BFRO is there or whatever. This isn't a new theory. I got the idea from a 2006 article on the Indian Gray Wolf, but the concept is frequently employed in ecology. Meta-population view of Bigfoot would explain: Sightings in non-remote places and roadsides Low inbreeding despite living in small groups Sightings in areas that may lack sufficient resources to survive over long periods Bigfoot sometimes reported taking farm animals (as they move between habitats) Overestimation of pop size, as the same animal is witnessed in widely different places near the same time Not seeing a Bigfoot when visiting a place where one or more were recently witnessed A meta-population of Bigfoot will likely be affected by the USDA removing 112 million acres of forests… which is equivalent to 175,000 sq miles, which is more than the size of California. Certainly this would not happen in one place, but it's likely that each forest management area will be reduced significantly enough to affect wildlife cover and food sources. I doubt this would be a thinning out of a forest, because that’s just not cost effective. It’ll be large swaths of biodiverse forest areas, and replanting will either not happen or will lack in plant diversity and become dead spots for wildlife. I’m not a hunter or camper but this is my main concern about this USDA initiative. Maybe someone with forest experience on BFF has a more optimistic assessment and can relieve my anxiety (or link me to a post in that other thread). Oh, and for any conspiracy theorists, perhaps the national forest system was created originally to support a meta-population of Bigfoot. An argument could be made, actually.

If I ever heal up? I think a snow bike would be an amazing research tool. We obviously cannot keep up on foot. But a snow trackway being followed on a snow bike is sure to produce results. You cannot go straight up the mountain like a sled, but you can finesse your way through almost anything. They are dropping into creek bottoms I would never consider with a sled. Throw a drone in a backpack? I don’t think Sasquatch escapes without being seen, filmed, whatever. These things go any where.

I have seen no convincing data to suggest they as a population go all the way to the coast here in the PNW, I do find good data to suggest they come down in elevation. We have had activity in December, January, February, March and April here at various locations in WA. The below video is a fair example ( I personally went to this location a few years ago based on a number of winter reports including this track find, I was able to get in touch with the investigator who was on the scene at the time. ), the tracks came from up above ( small knobs and benches on the slope side at about 2200ft on the high end ) on the west side of Shannon Lake and Baker Lake that are both loaded with miles and miles of thick/marshy timber patches that are tough to hunt and penetrate. They came from the timber uphill and both jumped off a rock ledge over 12 feet up to get down to the edge of that community, they crossed the road and went up onto someone's porch and got into a charcoal grill likely out of desperation looking for food ( fat drippings ? ). I don't remember at the moment where they retreated to but it was generally back into timber up slope. Here is a side angle photo of the terrain and direction the prints came from, everything below the blue line would all be winter habitat under my theory. This would not encompass the entire space they use but rather a section of the loop or cycle they likely run along. The Gold pin in the back end of the photo is separate encounter report from years later in late November. For full context and accuracy I will note that this trackway from what we could gather is legitimate but after the investigation, word got around the community and someone got back in touch and with another trackway soon after and that trackway was clearly hoaxed and fabricated, the prints looked nothing like the original tracks and showed no dexterity of the foot or toes, lacked any of the athleticism and started in stopped at highly questionable places. They seem to hold up in very difficult and hard to access locations and move in changing weather conditions from one low human activity area to another.

Well it certainly doesn’t bode well for the person in Illinois claiming a family of Sasquatch live on his 50 acre wood lot all year long. But I don’t think they are that populous. And also that their activities probably fall through the cracks and are attributed to something else. Lastly? If they are as smart as say an Orangutan? Orangutans pick locks, know sign language and can paddle a boat. Surely Sasquatch could be rather cunning. And they probably know that sustained contact with humans is unhealthy. So they stay nocturnal, take only what they need and keep moving.

This is what bothers me. First, FWIW, I made a chart for my own edification comparing biological facts about common animals. As I got all of this information off the web, I am certain that it is highly accurate & not subject to question. Somewhere, I found an estimate that Cro-Magnon, Neaderthals, and paleo-Indians required 4,800 calories per day and moose required 9,700 calories per day. The data I found for other large animals is just in poundage - 10-20 pounds of food per day for elk, 30 pounds per day for grizzly bears, 35 pounds for black bears(?), and 30-45 pounds for gorillas. What bothers me is that if Bigfoot is an omnivore, and if Bigfoot is as populous in the eastern US as some believe, why aren't they eating farmers out of house and home? Deer do it, groundhogs do it, foxes and coyotes prey on chickens, and such ... why wouldn't a bigfoot settle down near a nice big corn or potato or squash field and simply strip mine it for a day or two, then move on. That problem occurs with other biological animals, why doesn't it occur with Bigfoot?

The mountains and inland plateaus of BC get heavy accumulations of snow, but the coastal valleys only get a few snow days a year, usually followed by enough rain to melt it away quickly. Most sightings in BC, Wa. and Ak. occur in those coastal valleys. The only Sasquatch trackway I ever found was in late spring snow, crossing a pass over a ridge between two river valleys. I believe they stay below the snowline as much as possible, just as the majority of big game does.

My take on this is that they use very similar resources as black bears do, and we have thousands of those here in BC. The only real difference from bears' needs is having to forage in winter, which bears avoid by hibernating. Sasquatch is supposed to be pretty intelligent, so presumably plans ahead by stockpiling food for the winter needs, such as nuts and tubers, which store well.

I think that is a part of the picture, maybe all of it depending on locale. My own area is very seasonal .. main time, late summer, with a couple data points in mid July which could be outliers or could represent a second, smaller, pass-through. Behavior is pretty different up there when it is "busy" and I suspect there is something "special" going on. That area spends winter under 5-10 feet of snow with nothing to eat but snow and tree bark. They are elsewhere. A friend works on a ranch at the bottom of a deep valley in the other direction. Off and on snow but nothing seasonal .. and no downhill for food to migrate way towards. He says they have low level activity year around with occasional flurries of greater activity. His explanation is that there is a very small permanent population (seemingly akin to what you describe) which act as a "rear guard" making sure that that spot is safe for the traveling groups to temporarily occupy as they pass through. I've followed up on a number of reports there and out maybe 10 miles in each way. I can't say that the explanation is right or wrong but I can say it certainly seems to fit the observations.

I have not read all the posts up to this point but I think it is difficult to calculate pounds of material because the caloric density per gram can vary greatly. We also can't measure metabolic rate with Sasquatches necessarily as what you eat at what time can change the rate itself. In mammals the metabolic rate is effected by sun exposure, temperature, stress and sleep. Sasquatches do not seem to be pot-bellied ( fermentation gut adapted ) and seem to consume a lot of direct protein when compared to gorillas. I would say that they focus on nutrient dense food heavily in the fall and again in the spring, sources heavily would lean toward insects, small critters, nuts, tubers, salmon, ungulates, fruits, lichens, mushrooms and softer plant leaf material. Just a side note, I am very convinced that omegas are likely the most important need to the Sasquatch, big brains demand them and this would explain the continued historic references in native cultures that sasquatch can become fairly confrontational in situations such as pulling salmon nets and invading smoke houses. I have also noted that Sasquatch reports do often happen on a regular basis close to large tracts of masting nut trees. I suspect they target certain foods at certain times and try to conserve energy, the few long trackways on record seem to indicate very focused directional travel as if they have a point B in mind. If I had to guess with what little I know from reading, behavior and looking for feeding sites I would say someplace between 7500 to 1000 calories split between 30% fat, 30% carbs, and 40% protein averaged across the year cycle. That is my 2 cents and again I don't have a whole lot of confidence yet in my view here but it is where I am at, critics are welcome. It would be interesting to see what the metabolic consumption of the Chinese snub nosed monkey is throughout the year as a comparison as they have a wide range diet and endure some fairly cold conditions following the snowline.

Back to the original question. NorthWind and I once investigated a sighting location at a lake camp. A (presumably) old sasquatch with a limp was seen dumpster diving numerous times. I'd guess scavenging, eating roadkill and pets kept outside would be much easier than taking a human. I would bet they have an idea, that if one of us goes missing, multitudes more will show up searching, which bodes ill for them. And, yes, I do think they are that intelligent.

You are 100% correct. The NPS knew of his games over 13 years (not 8) in Kaflia Bay and allowed it to continue. So did the air taxi operator, who should have faced charges, AFAIC.

The video brings up one great point. Yes, we have no idea which bear actually killed them. And not all of the remains were recovered. But the bear(s) on the kill at the time paid the price. But it’s not like the bear in question didn’t have human inside its stomach. It did. Ultimately while Tim was a whackadoodle IMHO? It’s the park service that is ultimately to blame. Because they knew Tim well and didn’t stop his actions and enforce the park rules. Huntster probably has a lot more to say about this than I do. It’s in his backyard. And anything Griz related I would defer to him. I have had a few run ins with Griz down here but it’s nothing like Alaska. But I can tell you that your bacon and pancakes gets stuck in your craw when you leave the wall tent at Elk camp and there are fresh Griz tracks within 100 yards of the tent. I mean we cook, eat and sleep in a wall tent. You’re only getting one stove and one tent in there. So we are guilty. But I’ve bounced Griz before but was on horse back luckily. Here is a fairly recent event local. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/jun/07/grizzly-bear-spotted-north-of-chewelah/

http://www.world-builders.org/lessons/less/biomes/annutrita.html I estimate that a 800 lbs mammal is going to need roughly 8800 calories per day to maintain its body weight. A 400 lbs silverback gorilla eats roughly 40 lbs of vegetation (plus a small percentage of insect protein) per day. What would the caloric intake of say a family of 5 Sasquatch be per day? Approaching 50k right? Or in vegetation consumed terms it's right about (80 lbs or double gorilla daily intake X 5) 400 lbs per day per family troupe. Thats a lot of veggies. What if the troupe killed a whitetail deer? http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/wild-game-whitetail-deer-venison-328430317 4 oz of meat equals 170 calories, so 1 lbs equals 680 calories. So a 200 lbs deer represents 136000 calories, not counting the loss of bone and or antler weight. 8800 cal X 5 equals 44000 calories. So a average sized deer represents roughly 3 days worth of meals for a family of five. Thats roughly 121 deer per year or 24333 lbs of annual meat consumed. Check my numbers guys..... In the Virunga range trackers follow mountain gorillas around by the swath of vegetational destruction they leave behind. These gorillas are like lawn mowers constantly moving along the mountain side. Family troupes up to 20 all feeding together. They also recieve some protein eating insects. Of course gorillas can forage all year long in Africa. North America is a different story is most regions minus some gulf states and west coast. So if your caching food stores all summer for the winter months? A conservative estimate minus spoilage and increased caloric winter need, would be doubling the daily 400 lbs of vegetation collected to 800 lbs per family. Gorillas spend 60 % of their day simply chewing their food. That doesn't leave a lot of time to sleep, mate, play, teach babes and collect food for winter months for a Bigfoot. Meat must play a heavy role in winter time. But the snow is crunchy, the background is white, the leaves have fallen. Not good ambushing. So they must either store plant material away or hibernate. But Apes don't hibernate that we are aware of. Anyhow just some crunching data in my mind tonight.

Cannibalism proof is almost 1.5 million years old from Spain. https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/scientists-discover-what-could-be-the-oldest-evidence-of-cannibalism-among-ancient-human-relatives Technically with Sasquatch not being a Homo Sapien? It’s not cannibalism. But primates do eat other primates. 1) Incorrigible touched on Chimps eating human babies. But they also actively hunt monkeys. 2) There was a giant baboon (I posted a link in the campfire section) that was a predator of human ancestors. 3) The hobbit on the island of Flores was reported to steal human babies to eat. If Sasquatch is strictly a plant eater like a Gorilla? Then we are probably safe other than some territorial or defensive response. But if Sasquatch scavenges meat? Or actively hunts? All bets are off. It may be triggered by the circumstance like being alone, hurt, etc. So it may be rare? But not wise to discount. I think everyone knows how I feel about the 411 books. So I won’t start a fight here about it. But it’s my personal opinion that yes it does happen and it’s logical to think that it does. A 800 lbs boss of the woods isn’t going to ask for permission for much. And just like Timothy Treadwell? After 8 seasons of a death wish? Enter one old male Griz that wasn’t having a good fishing season. And that’s where it ended. Modern humans every time we get hungry we go open the fridge. If it’s empty we go to the store. We are very very far removed from the “eat or be eaten” paradigm that Mother Nature operates. And this also probably why most Bigfooters see Bigfoot as some Forest Shaman. Just as Timothy Treadwell thought that Bears were just big teddy bears. Well….that worked until it didn’t. As a woodsman since I was a child? The biggest piece of advice I can give anyone? Animals are individuals, just like us. They have likes and dislikes and dispositions, just like us. Yes you can generalize and say most of the time in this situation the creature will do X or Y. But you dang well be ready for the curve ball. Ask Timothy Treadwell. Ask rodeo fans why there is a bull in the bleachers. Ask Steve Irwin. Ask the tourists in Yellowstone. Be safe folks!

Modern Homo sapien cannibalism is a well studied phenomenon, even if those studies are often ignored and played down because it's such a taboo topic. And example would be cannibalism among Japanese soldiers in the Pacific Theater of WWII. The point here is that in modern cases of cannibalism, many feature spiritual motivations where the eater is trying to consume the spirit or power of the meal. The modern cases involving starvation tend to be situations like the one in your posted photo of the crashed airplane in South America or shipwrecked people floating for weeks at sea. We don't see communities doing this because we now have communications and social assistance programs, but that really has a relatively short, weak history. Even Alaska, a U.S. state for the past 65 years, has a history within living memory of community starvation and disease. While I believe sasquatches are a human species, I have a difficult time accepting that they've become spiritual or religious. Homo sapien bodies are meat. But I do believe that they understand that killing people bring more people looking for the missing. This is likely because it's a long pattern with indigenous men. I don't think sasquatches hunt men for that very reason.

There are gruesome reports of chimpanzees abducting and consuming human children in various parts of Africa. I chose to not include links, due to their grisly nature, but they're readily available.

Served with borscht?🤣

Excellent event report. I'm always impressed with your YouTube videos as well, Nathan. I appreciate the video.

It’s always this time of year that I wonder what they do in winter. We get typically four feet of snow here in the valleys. Do they migrate to the coast? Do they stockpile and hunker down? Do they migrate south? Do they retreat down low in elevation and hunt? I saw tracks in December. Those tracks were heading south for whatever that means.

Back on topic, always interesting The late great Branco started this one way back and included a lot of information about feeding behaviors and geographic patterns, at least in the South where he documented BF a great deal.

My Bigfoot sighting was along the Missouri River in Nebraska. I've been hit by a rock in Iowa. I have other possible experiences in Missouri, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Oh wait - you were talking about big planes. I thought you meant plains. Never mind...

This map has been offered as locations of bigfoot sightings/ reports. When we look at Canada, we might think from the map there are very few reports of Bigfoot in Canada. The map is deceiving. Here is a map of where most people live in Canada. The majority live pretty close to the USA Canadian border. I have never been to Canada. The winters in the Middle and Northern Canada are more extreme than Canada just above Seattle Washington. There are large areas of Canada (or Russia for that matter) where few people go. Large areas as large as Texas might have very few people. The only limiting factor to many of these areas is just how extreme the winters could be and any limited food supply as a result. There is more food to eat on Gilligan's Island than the North Pole (sorry Santa). When I look at the bigfoot map, I am immediately skeptical of these places marked in the great planes. We need to be honest and say that all reports are not created equal. Just because someone gives a report does not mean it has the same Grade or Credibility as other reports. Finally, just because there are no reports to an area does not mean there are even people there to even give a report.

John Green's Data 1960-2000 BFRO Data 2000-2025

My personal opinion is there are far less out there than what people like to think. I would also say there is a lot of bad data incorporated from databases of encounters these days, I would be interested to see a data averaging from the 60's up to say 2008 ( before Finding Bigfoot ). I think you would see a very different spread both across behaviors and clusters geographically on the map. I do think the scenarios you lay out do in fact occur but just far less than reported.

Another feature of coastal range is that the sea provides all kinds of sustenance like seaweeds, mollusks, and fish as regularly as the tide, all winter long.

Go back 'n' read Nathan's post from a few days ago. He was talking about something else but the lack of obvious destruction like you're asking about is a side effect .. from a couple different angles.

It's possible that they do raid crops, and that it gets attributed to bears or feral hogs, as they are much more visible and therefore the "logical" answer.

The 3d scan sure is better than a casting. We need more of that in our research efforts.

Netflix has the Last interview with her. It was designed for her to have it viewed after her death. It is pretty good. Not bigfoot related, but interesting.

In my old age, brittle and not so supple anymore, it's become a ever-more-difficult chore!

It's not so crazy. We've come to know you as a very deeply thoughtful and curious guy. In fact, you infect me with such thoughts. Now I'm wondering how our more wild and primitive homo sapien cousins did it. I occasionally keep goats and sheep on my property which is forested, not rocky. Consequently, their hooves need occasional trimming because the rocks don't do it for them like their wild cousins on cliffs.

Just a crazy thought that jumped in my head when I was trimming my dog's nails. :-)

Regarding movements and routes, I've always been impressed by Paul Freeman's map of trackways he found and documented. He was good enough with it to plot potential habituation sites, which led to his 1994 film at Deduct Springs. Have any of you guys been able to see that map or talk to its current owner? (No, I don't know who that is). The beauty of his map and efforts was that he focused his decades long effort on a particular mountain range. This is what enabled him to create such a documented map. I hope somebody was able to pick up on that and carry forward with it..............

With big clippers.

With the discovery Homo floresiensis twenty years ago, the logical connection to Orang Pendak is intriguing. Sightings continue to occur. If verification of Pendak were confirmed, it's difficult to imagine the ensuing uproar and pandemonium in the scientific community. Such a discovery could spur funding for further research into a possible N American great ape candidate.

RIP to another actual scientist who believed the Sasquatch species exists, and a good human.

As gun owners? We are all family here and should not be fighting amongst ourselves. Frisco’s statement reminds me of the Kehoe brothers shoot out with Ohio SP. No one was hit. It stands out because the Kehoe brothers were from north of Colville Wa. Brainwashed kids living in the woods. Either way real stress is tough to simulate. I was on the fire dept for 17 years and was a training officer and training certainly helps. But no one and I mean no one actually knows how they are gonna react in a life and death situation until it happens to them. Some get back in the saddle and some don’t.

Careful, Frisco85132, that's an attack on the poster, not on the argument.

Let’s leave the supernatural talk for the supernatural section please! Thanks! 👍

My response to the OP is based on 40+ years of wandering the Idaho woods, hunting, and carrying various firearms in the military and law enforcement. I am also a competitive shooter with plenty of trophies, own more guns than most local police departments, and regularly carry in the woods while doing Bigfoot research. My most often carried defensive arm is a Sig Sauer P365 9mm subcompact that holds 12 rounds. I am very accurate with it and it goes with me nearly every trip into town. When I am hiking in the mountains, then I am carrying a 10mm pistol. I have several of them, but most often I have my Springfield Armory XDM Elite OSP 10mm 3.8"... When in the woods, rarely do I also have a long gun if just hiking due to the extra weight. But, if camping or in an area where I suspect larger predators, then I will bring along my woods carbine. It's a Henry Black rifle in .45 Colt loaded with 300gr hard cast bullets going 1300 fps. It will take care of any critter I may come across. As to the subject of defending against Bigfoot... Physically, I think both of my woods carry firearms are adequate in terms of penetrating an 800+lb mammal enough to stop a threat. But... I think the majority of encounters have such a strong psychological component to them that makes the stopping power of whatever firearm the witness is holding pretty much irrelevant. I had a good friend of mine text me a few weeks ago and jokingly ask me what firearm would be adequate against a BF. She then asked if a firearm would even be an effective deterrent against a BF. And then she admitted she had just had a terrifying encounter while out jogging in the Oregon woods with a BF and was scared to go back into the woods. She spoke of the infrasound and mind-reading experience she had that made her think that even is she had a firearm, she wouldn't have been able to use it. Accordingly, I don't carry a firearm as a defense against Bigfoot, but as a tool to use for survival and possible defense against predators.

Well if one accepts the ridiculous notion that Bigfoot is a "woopernatural" space monkey....then I think one should also accept the notion that they would dematerialize/vibrate to a different frequency of matter/jump into a portal/float off on an orb, or simply allow the projectile(s) to pass through them ala Kitty Whatzername from X-Men long before a bullet, slug, or load of buckshot hit them, so the choice of caliber is moot. If, however, on the other hand, you are one who disregards the woopidity and accepts the very real possibility that they are, in fact, an apex predatory omnivore or an opportunistic omnivore with at least the ability to harvest mammal or pescatarian protein when it's convenient...then the possibility remains that they will ****** a hairless tool using ape such as a human if it is low risk high reward. As for a firearm, I carry a Glock 20 in 10mm with Buffalo Bore Big Game ammo when I am out in the field for ANY reason, whether I am hunting deer or fishing. Less because I think Bigfoot is going to prey on me, though I allow for the possibility, but more for the very real possibility that a black bear with a ****** attitude and general disposition may want to nibble on my ass. If "attacked" by a Bigfoot, the reality is that you're probably going to be dead before you knew an attack was coming because it's probably going to be from ambuscade and done by the Grand Master Gold Medalist Hide And Seek Champion of the world. BUT...the Ape Canyon account tells us that one was shot and fell into a gorge, and when the miners were allegedly attacked, they used their rifles and shotguns to drive the "Mountain Devils" away, so there is a presumption that guns DO have an effect on them and they won't "woo away on a moonbeam". Hell, even if you believe Justin Smeja killed not one, but two mind ya, TWO of them....then...the possibility that guns work on them like any other biological critter remains. Now, the bad news....the ONLY way that any firearm would be of ANY value is if you have at least a little warning, and even then, 99% of gun owners are barely competent to carry a gun and not shoot themselves in the foot on a range, let alone during an adrenaline dump facing a dangerous animal charge/attack. Over 27 years as a police officer having to review literally hundreds of videos of person to person gun fights from stores, etc....the probability of emptying your gun concurrently with your bladder and bowels are about the same while missing every shot. Sorry if the truth hurts...buuuuuut...there it is. Most people survive because they were the luckiest and least incompetent combatant. When in a dynamic critical incident, you will ALWAYS default to your level of training and as the extreme vast majority of gun owners don't get ANY training beyond MAYBE a hunter safety class, or a CCW class taught by Joe The Tactical Plumber, then the default will be "draw gun, **** pants, miss target, panic, empty magazine or cylinder, scream like a chick". Generally lifelong hunters who don't get "buck fever" are exempt from this, trained competitive shooters, or prior military with combat arms/deployment MOS are fairly stress inoculated too, but it also depends upon keeping up with training. I have been in several critical incidents during my career where other officers who were not "gun people" who placed a high value on training were next to useless in a gun fight, so I am not ******** on John Average Gun Carrier. I am ******** on other cops too. But....It's not ALL bad news even for the 99% who are a danger to their own feet in a high stress situation. Based upon not only my own face to face encounter were I am convinced that the revelation of my pistol is what caused the one I was staring at to flee, there have been other encounters where the BF/SQ took off when the presence of a firearm was discovered...so I believe, based upon this, that a visible firearm probably has a deterrent effect. So, if I were part of the 99%, I'd carry a 12 gauge shotgun or a big old hawg leg in a hip holster so it could be seen as a deterrent to a hungry, opportunistic BF/SQ.

Here's one time:

Greetings from Tasmania. In needing some answers to questions I have been lead to this forum. Also interested to know if anyone else has had any activity down my way. I look foward knowing more.

Jane Goodall was with Mary and Louis Leakey at Olduvai Gorge. She switched to behavior and studied apes and chimps and others. An amazing life.

I was a cop for 27 years. I carried, in one flavor or another, a Glock model of some sort/caliber depending upon the whims and tides of the agency. I started with a Glock 17 in 9mm in 1990, then the department became convinced that we needed 40 cal, so we went to the Glock 22 in 1994, then for what seemed to be about five minutes in the early 2000s we went to the Glock 21 in 45ACP..........then back to the Glock 17 in 9mm again. Ugh. That said, I trust the Glock platform 100% and have carried Glock on duty, off duty, shooting in multiple competition disciplines for over 35 years and now since I am retired from LE and a practicing attorney....I still carry a Glock 19 in 9mm. That said....in the woods, mountains, or desert....I carry a Glock Model 20 in 10mm with Buffalo Bore Hard Cast 200 grain TCFP. It screams out at 1300fps, penetrates deeply, and gives me 16 rounds on tap with a pair of 15 round magazines on my belt for very little weight cost versus ballistic payload, and weight is a consideration because of two knee and a hip replacement as the result of a line-of-duty injury. But, let's be clear....I don't carry to defend myself from a Sasquatch primarily....it's probably 10th down on my list. The reality is I am convinced that they are dangerous, but not aggressive unless you push the action and so I consider the likelihood of having to engage one to be incredibly remote just based on the number of interactions I have had (1 in 1993) compared to the thousands of hours I have spent in the woods, mountains, and desert over the decades. Add to that the credible interactions that others have had where no one had to shoot one. Ape Canyon notwithstanding, but let's face it Fred Beck shot one of them, so yeah...they's be pissed. I'm not convinced Justin Smeja shot one as he claimed, so I am not going to say he did or he didn't, only that I am not convinced he did. So, the reality is that I carry my 10mm as insurance against bear, mountain lion, feral dogs, wild hogs which I consider to be the most likely threat, and of course humans with bad intent. Looking back to 1993 when I had my face to face encounter, with decades of hindsight....the thought I had back then that I was going to have to defend myself from the Sasquatch was PROBABLY initiated by ME and my body language or a scent I gve off that caused a defensive posture reaction response in the creature. I had been a cop for 5 years by this time and my thinking was "threat focused" and "threat management" and "aggression response" and the stimuli of being face to face with something I didn't believe existed back then, or at least didn't believe was a "Michigan Thing" reset my brain clock in a microsecond and my whole reality changed. I am still nine out of ten toes in the "no kill" camp, and I sure as hell don't want to ever be forced to shoot one. I'd like to see another one, not just hear wood knocks and a couple of suspected vocalizations, and see some suspected prints...but just have that moment where I could experience it again and NOT be thinking "tactically" but more like "Okay, what can I learn?". Sorry for the long post. Once I got to typing, I got too lazy to stop.

According to an article I read yesterday the U.S. annual tree harvest is between 3-6 billion trees a year depending on tree density per square mile. That's not board feet mind you. That's an actual whole-tree estimate. Your post sort of underscores the food competition thing. By extension it may also hint at a lower Sasquatch population.

MIB suggested that I chime in on this discussion. I've been busy with various pursuits for the last month or so. But I can now 'chime in'... Clarification on the bones is that yes we did find a single bone with both adult and juvenile teeth impressions on it. Other work we have done in the last year also supports the evidence of small family units. We have seen no evidence of large groups. What we have found also shows that when feeding on the meat of an animal, it is done in the location of the kill site. It has been suggested that there should be a swath showing their feeding behavior. In the case of this kind of feeding on meat, it is scattered and not necessarily easy to find. Just as the case is with any other animal kills. The thing is, if bigfoot exists, it has existed in the ecosystem for millenia. Most agree that it is an omnivore. So when we look for that so called swath of feeding behavior how do we know whether it was chipmunks, bears, coyotes or bigfoot that cleaned out that field of huckleberries. What turned all those rocks over looking for insects? Or tore apart those logs and stumps that you find throughout the forest? What browsed all the leaves off the salmonberries and blackberries along that forest edge? Elk, deer, rabbits or just maybe bigfoot? We have found evidence that they feed on larger animals. The argument here is not whether they killed them, although the possibility exists, because we have also found evidence of confiscation of cougar kills. It also appears to be seasonal, late winter and early spring; the lean times in the forest. Just as the aforementioned seasonal feeding of bears on moths. So their diet varies over the year. Some may think there are few animal kills in the forest. In one 30 acre clearcut we found 2 dead elk, a cow and later a calf, in one week's period of time. Both fresh kills. The cow was feed on by 2 bears and went from a whole elk to a pile of bones in three days. Nothing goes to waste in the wild. Within a mile of there was another fresh kill although I couldn't find that one. It was definitely there. The point is the evidence is there but are we able to differentiate and interpret what did it?

I have 4 peach trees in my side yard that yield 100s of peaches. This year the peaches simply vanished a couple of weeks before they would have ripened. My daughter saw a 7 1/2 ft red in the same orchard a few winters ago. I never connected the dots because they were really not close to being ripe. Tal - Thanks for the reports. I love your BFRO followups.