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Happy New Year, Bigfoot family! I hope every one gets a chance to answer their questions about Bigfoot/Sasquatch this year, whether it's with a sighting, physical evidence, or online research. I'm still very much enjoying the adventure, even as I turn 81 today. Cheers!

BP is "before present". (a quick edit: for "BP" time, year 0 is 1950, so 200BP would be 1750.) The earliest Clovis points date to about 13,000 years ago. Having sites in North America 10,000 years before Clovis nullifies the whole "Clovis first" paradigm. Along with that idea was populating North America through an ice free corridor in the Cordilleran ice sheet. There was no ice free corridor 23,000 years ago. This more or less forces the populating of N.A. to have been by boat along the coast following the "kelp highway" rather than overland. Most of the artifacts from that route are under hundreds of feet of seawater today since the melting of the continental glaciers has pushed sea levels up that much. There were at least 4 periods in the pleistocene where there was a Bering land bridge rather than open water but we don't have any generally accepted evidence of human occupation going back to those earlier 3 periods. For now, the suggested, speculative very early "stuff" (100K years BP) seems to stand alone with no supporting evidence and most likely is wishful thinking, not evidence of human occupation. Possibility of 30K years could be inferred though. The important part is that Clovis technology was NOT the earliest in North America, people were here before Clovis technology was developed. Most likely, also, since there were already people here, Clovis, despite having strong similarity to Solutrean technology, is probably a North American development. With people already here, there should be strong genetic connection if the technology were imported.

That is an huge revelation to me as well. They were all, surely, tough as nails to begin with.. just as surely as the trip to the mine and cabin were hard work, the work in the mine was even harder work. The walk to the water was tough and at night? Tough as nails or not, forget it. Whatever happened there, they weren't going anywhere in the dark either way.

From a pure story telling perspective? I like Bob Gymlan. His real name is Bryan Gagne, stage name of Bob Gymlan. The illustrations are what does it for me. Compelling stories well told. Not strictly BF related, of course, but entertaining nonetheless. Some of the others will just relay any zany story that some troll or prankster sends in, zero vetting, which turns me off immediately to the rest of their content. Other than that, there's a hundred small channels with no subscribers who go out and film in the woods, same or not they put time in. Western New York Bigfoot is an example. Just a guy going into the woods.

Merry Christmas BFF!

Out again today up the Pack River. Cut deer and moose tracks. Hiked 2 miles into a clear cut. Did a few call sets. Nothing. The clouds rolled in early after noon. Pea soup. On the way out but still on National Forest I come around the corner and what appears to be a Wolf standing on the road. I grab the binos and look at it and it finally turns and it has a harness on.🙄 I never saw the owner. The chick in Montana that shows up to the bar with a skinned Husky was playing in my head.🤣 I got back on the main FS road and continued up river until I hit a mudslide that wiped the road out. A 4 wheeler with tracks had cut a trail out and had made it through. I had to turn around. But it did remind me to stop at the DMV in Idaho and buy my 2026 sticker for my Yamaha Grizzly on tracks. It’s getting to the point that I need to be taking it to reach the good spots. My birthday gift of the Ray Ban smart glasses is working out well. I can just take a picture with a button on the frame instead of digging for my cell phone. And I think the picture quality looks good. What do you guys think?

Qualification for basic human rights is on the decline these days so; I would say no, they would not qualify, in our current 'environment'. I don't think there will ever be any Bigfoot in a zoo and that is fine by me. The world that humans have created is a horrible zoo in and of itself that I don't think will be judged favorably when our brief time on Earth is said and done..

This is one of the puzzling issues Paulides has illuminated over the years regarding his Missing 411 reports. An area will be methodically grid-seached several times yet the missing person will ultimately be found in that grid. I was a SAR member for years and when you grid-search an area several times, you can take it to the bank there is nothing there. How the missing person ended up in that location no one knows which makes those cases particularly perplexing.

There is another aspect to Paulides. We have to remember that he claims .. and his bigfoot books Tribal Bigfoot and Hoopa Project support this .. that he is the one who brought Melba Ketchum into the bigfoot world. He continues to support the authenticity of her "study" yet it is a clear hoax from purchasing the journal which still has never published a second paper to providing DNA strings which do not add up to what she claims they add up to to any number of shady shenanigans intended to suppress evidence of her misdoing. Until he separates himself from that quackery, I don't trust his judgement or his claims. If he is even half as smart as he claims to be, he KNOWS exactly what he's embracing. We are rightly judged by the company we choose to keep. I feel the same about Scott Carpenter and Steve Isdahl, the difference is, even beyond those two, Paulides should know better. MIB

Bigfoot isn't in a zoo for the same reason Amelia Erhart's plane isn't in a museum. It's out there, but no one has found it definitively yet. As far as a zoo goes, I used to want Bigfoot in a zoo. Then, as I got older, I had second thoughts. This further struck home with me when watching this Bigfoot researcher from Bigfoots Reflection: He said essentially: if we caught bigfoot what do we do with him? I go to the zoo and watch apes and they seem...sad. I happen to agree with this now. I selfishly wanted Bigfoot in a zoo when I was younger. Now, it would be enough to have proof such a rare thing exists and let it be free.

Interesting debate about Bigfoot. Ran across this. Many of you probably already have seen this. What I like about the video is Meldrum has a polite debate with this somewhat skeptic Erika Gutsick Gibbon. She brings up respectfully reasonable points and Meldrum does a great job answering each one. I learned additional things just listening to these two (and Esp Meldrum). It is a loooooong video but if you have the time, It is informative. I wish more discussions could be on this level. Finally, Meldrum does a good job essentially being kind and not dunking on her when it is obvious he could.

23,000 Before Present (now). "Science" actively discouraged speculation of human activity in N America prior to approximately 13,000 Before Present (Clovis culture). Such speculation led to careers being damaged, and was suppressed. The confirmation that the White Sands fossil footprints at 23,000 BP helped dash the stranglehold of the "None Before Clovis" dogma. Real science freed to pursue discovery of prehistoric N American human activity.

read it once and thanks... will read it again and thanks for the details... "NM goes back to about 23,000 BP..." What does 23,000 bP stand for and how does it relate to the Clovis culture?

How long was CLOVIS FIRST jammed down our throats? How many scientists careers were destroyed for simply reporting the truth? And it wasn’t just a little wrong…. It was vastly grossly WRONG. So if science suppressed vastly older cultures found farther south than Berengia 13000 years ago? For 75 years? What else are they suppressing? They concocted a “narrative” and then they vehemently defended that narrative. This wasn’t science. This was a cult. And people shouldn’t just blindly trust science. It should be questioned repeatedly. And be forced to reconsider the evidence often and adjust hypotheses accordingly. Heckle fish WF video talks about the Egyptian experts loosing their poo about older cultures in Turkey recently found. Why does science do this? And they of course throw shade on bipedal cryptids the world over. Despite more findings that our family tree was more bushy and more recently extant than previously thought. Why?

Well, they were experienced woodsmen, and they had to put up a battle to defend their cabin from a Bigfoot intrusion. They were probably used to dealing with severe situations that involve wildlife so they were able to combat the adversary and make it out alive. Some of these American woodsmen and American forest women were totally amazing people and spent a lot of time exploring and camping in the woods. They had capable firearms and were good shots with multiple shot weapons. Pack a pistol in the woods and be safe.

I just got back from a birthday bonfire on the banks of the Fraser River with the research gang. Was blessed with a unique rendition of "Happy Birthday" by non other than Thomas Steenburg; hilarious!!

Ironically, the story didn't bother me 'til I watched the vid of the "expedition" to the site. With just how crazy steep that is, the whole thing takes on a whole new level of disturbing. Unless there was some other way off the mountain, downhill rather than from above, they were truly sitting ducks. It would take hours at best, in heavy brush, heavy cover, to climb out, requiring hands, not just feet, so no gun in hand, no hasty response possible, with potential ambush at every step. No joke a bad bad situation.

Merry Squatchmas!

Norse, thank you for providing a comment on the pro-offered video. I sure do appreciate when introductory comments are made when posting a video.

You all might appreciate this short but enlightening article by Nick Longrich, evolutionary biologist, titled: Nine Species of Human Once Walked Earth. Now There's Just One. Did We Kill The Rest? [1] The short answer is basically, Yes, yes we did. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someday we find Bigfoot bones and realize we killed them off, too. The other thing that comes to mind from this discussion is our long history as hunters and gatherers. The genus Homo spent a couple million years living in small groups and doing the hunter-gatherer thing. We've only been living in organized societies for about 12K years. But our brains are still wired for hunting and gathering and not quite adept at living in large, organized societies. We're still tribal by nature. I stumbled on this quote from a 1968 collection of conference proceedings that makes the point: [2] "It is still an open question whether man will be able to survive the exceedingly complex and unstable ecological conditions he has created for himself. If he fails in this task, interplanetary archeologists of the future will classify our planet as one in which a very long and stable period of small-scale hunting and gathering was followed by an apparently instantaneous efflorescence of technology and society leading rapidly to extinction." (Lee & Devore, 1968). [1] https://www.sciencealert.com/did-homo-sapiens-kill-off-all-the-other-humans [2] Lee, R.B. & DeVore, I. (eds.) [1968], Man the Hunter. The First Intensive Survey of a Single, Crucial Stage of Human Development – Man’s Once Universal Hunting Way of Life, Chicago, Aldine Publishing Company.

^ yeah, I get it. Lions don't have opposable thumbs either (which are great for making save the whale stickers). The great kindness, compassion and empathy to which you refer seems to be diminishing. Humans are wasting a veritable Utopia so, putting Bigfoot in a zoo seems to be the perfectly wrong thing to do.

I think there is a duality of Homo Sapiens. We have great skill and cunning in being ruthless warriors. But we also have great kindness, compassion and empathy. But I have a sneaking suspicion that this will be may be true of any sentient species. Albeit I don’t see a species of sentient bipedal lions having “save the whale” stickers on their personal transportation vehicles. Each species will add its own twist to intelligence I suppose?

This is a copy and paste affair. (Google AI) But this is what science is looking for. And it’s why many upright walking ancestors did not make the cut. Key Criteria for Homo Classification Cranial Capacity & Brain Size: A significant increase in brain size, often cited as above 600 cubic centimeters (cc) for early Homo, indicating higher intelligence and cognitive complexity. Facial & Dental Changes: Less protruding jaws (reduced prognathism), smaller teeth (especially molars), and flatter faces compared to Australopithecus. Bipedalism: More advanced, habitual upright walking with fully adapted feet, arched soles, and structural changes in the hip, knee, and ankle joints. Tool Use & Culture: Evidence of complex, standardized stone tool production (like Oldowan tools), signifying increased reliance on culture for survival. Body Proportions: Generally larger body size and more human-like limb proportions (longer legs, shorter arms). Reduced Sexual Dimorphism: A decrease in body size differences between males and females. ============================== Patty’s sloped head does not favor an over 600 cc brain. But maybe body size may make up the difference. Patty’s head has characteristics of both human and ape in my opinion. But without fire will have size able chompers to pulverize raw food. Check on full bipedalism. But Australopithecus Afarensis was as well, dunno. No evidence of stone tool manufacturing or use. Such as flaking stone tools. I believe Thinker Thunker has looked at body proportions and they are outside of Homo Sapiens range. But not sure of the genus. For example Neanderthals or Homo Erectus proportions. Definitely longer arms than ours in proportion. I think we would have to punt on that one. Albeit Patty is massive. But what percentage is she smaller than a male? We have no data. All of this is our current understanding of extinct cousins. But some people want to give living great apes legal status. If that happens? It would no longer be a question. Regardless? I think a super special ape man living in North America would be given special status and protections. Incredible biological find. Earth shattering. And in North America no less, albeit I am convinced other cryptid ape men species exist in other places. The push back from science on a global scale is disconcerting to say the least. We can all speculate as to why.

This makes me wonder: How human-like would bigfoot have to be to be human as you describe? How animal-like would they have to be to be considered animal like by science or the public at large? To me, if bigfoot is essentially nearly Ape-like in intelligence and so on it would be an easy to think "It's an animal" Obviously if Bigfoot could communicate or have a language and very high intellect good luck selling the idea bigfoot is an animal. I just wonder how we define the traits for an animal and define the traits as a human. What's the line? To me anything equal to or less than an ape Bigfoot is an animal. But how far beyond that takes us to a human? I don't know the answer. We do science experiments on Rats because they are a lower animal and a pest among other reasons. ----------------------------------------- "Col. Hans Landa: Has a rat ever done anything to you to create this animosity you feel towards them?" ---------------------------------------------- We don't tend feel comfortable doing experiments on Chimps or Gorillas. When we do I assume it is more restrictive for apes as they are a higher animal. I think of the Helsinki Guidelines on human experimentation. We have a higher order of requirements to experiment on people/ humans scientifically. Rats don't get that same consideration. What makes an ape-like HUMAN? What makes an APE (or Bigfoot for that matter) NON-HUMAN? When does a ManApe stop becoming an Ape and start becoming a man?

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If these upright bipedal human like beings some folks call Bigfoot, were merely an unclassified forest ape, they would totally be in a zoological environment. I don't believe they are. Why no trail cam footage? Simple. They can see in the IR spectrum of light. Again, just my belief. After reading and listening to people's independent reports and experiences, I don't need proof. Eye witness testimony is good enough for a court of law ... and me too.

This, which is exactly what Patterson and Gimlin did. Their chosen area of operations had both recent reports and a solid 12 year history of reports. I still think that the Freeman Map is a pretty good guide on a sasquatch hunt. It features general pathways used and seasonal timelines.

Interesting. So far as the cases I've been able to dig into personally, the further I dig the more off-the-mark he is. I would like to believe what he has to say but it simply does not hold up to scrutiny. Most of the reports I've dug into have been in the Crater Lake cluster along with a couple in Idaho. I'll try to give him the benefit of the doubt in other places.

First, the policy of discouraging discovery can be pinned on dead guys...........policymakers who decided this decades (up to a century or more) ago. Those who finally disclose end up heroes. Secondly, yes, there are piles of issues that government keeps close to its vest. This is both wise and expected, and they can defend those decisions, even if you or I as individuals disagree strongly. Thirdly, yes, disclosure itself is a can of worms that supports continued silence, especially if they think they have morality on their side...........or can make a reasonable stretch toward that defense. Finally, I have actually come to believe that ignorance of these creatures by the vast majority of people IS the wise policy. Do you want to destroy something? Let everybody know it exists. People will screw it up pronto. Guaranteed.

This may really throw North America history books a curve ball.

Thanks Norseman and Happy New Year to all including our hairy friends! My friend Chester Moore did some interviews with me last Spring and ended up doing a YouTube with them, I've always been private about my hobby lol, but he did a good job.....check it out:)

It would be interesting to follow the global spread of yams. Thor Heyerdahl's theories were not universally accepted after his voyage. Polynesian navigators easily crossed back and forth. Genetic and linguistic research reveals that Heyerdahl's theories don't work. The modern version of Heyerdahl's voyage makes for a nice movie ( except for the parrot ). I have not checked on the travels of yams to see if they went east from South America to Africa and Australia. Yams could have traveled west to Australia and islands.

The first Native Americans did not bring Clovis technology with them. We know that there were settlements like Rimrock Draw cave in Oregon that predate Clovis by a good margin. I know a photographer from the dig. As of now they have solid dates to 18500 BP and there is a smattering of deeper material that hasn't been dated yet. The fossilized trackway at White Sands, NM goes back to about 23,000 BP. There are other sites being excavated that may prove older than either. Nothing, though, in the way of settlement residuals that exceed 30K years and certainly nothing matching the proposed / purported mammoth bones said by some to be human-affected dated to 130K years. For the moment, it looks like Clovis did not derive from Solutrean technology from Europe as proposed, it really was near-parallel development. If Clovis tech were descended from Solutrean tech, we have another problem because there is no DNA in any existent Native American population dating from the same rough time, none. This means that somehow the Asian-descended "Native" tribes would have had to have understood and adopted the Solutrean technology yet killed every single European -sourced person so that there is ZERO DNA passed along. If Clovis technology was imported, it was into a continent already peopled by those using other technologies. Possible. Also possible it was derived in place .. that improbable but not impossible parallel evolution idea. South America is a different puzzle. One piece interesting to me is the yam / sweet potato. Apparently it is indigenous to the south pacific islands. I is maybe reasonable that some could have washed up on South America and taken root, but if so, why do the south American natives use exactly the same word as the south pacific islanders for it? This points to earlier contact than we currently think possible. We could ask why the Olmec heads' features appear sub Saharan African. Coincidence of artistry or .. familiarity with people from continents that shouldn't theoretically have been able to contact each other. We have to be a bit cautious about timelines though. A friend years back was sure that South American and African people migrated back and forth overland before the mid Atlantic Ridge took over. Hah hah, missed by a couple hundred million years. Oops.

Happy belated birthday, and I'll mercifully spare you and the forum having to endure me singing. Many happy returns.

I've found serviceable copies of each website, including their databases, at https://web.archive.org/. I could give you pinpoint cites to each organization, but I'd have to open this vault and look at that document, and all those clicks would interfere with some current drinking....

I think this is the key factor. If the definition of "species" were to differentiate despite being able to breed, then that certainly opens up a very large can of worms. "Wolves and dogs are classified as different species because they have distinct behaviors, physical traits, and ecological roles, despite being genetically similar enough to interbreed and produce fertile offspring. This classification is based on the concept of species, which considers factors like reproductive isolation and evolutionary history, rather than just the ability to mate."

Let's guess at some of the reasons for hiding bigfoot evidence such as bones, bodies, actual hides, DNA, or hair.?

It almost certainly has happened. But the Smithsonian is exempt from the Indian graves act. So they could be hiding a-lot with that loophole. The Lovelock cave giants would be a well known example of this. What else is hidden in their basement?🤷🏻‍♂️

A local Southern Oregon fellow who is engaged to my daughter told me about his Bigfoot experience in the mountains 40 miles from my home location. He's now 50 years old, and is still horrified from what happened to him that involved bigfoot 17 years ago. He said that he and his friend had gone up in mountains to explore, and they parked their car about 25 miles from nearest town and began to take a well made trail that went down through this forested area. They walked a trail that went down a canyon through the tall Douglas Fir trees, and they saw a 6' diameter cave in the brush that went into the hillside Hillsides in this area is covered with brush, 100 foot tall Douglas Fir trees, and whispy trees that are 15 feet or more tall. The soil is a light brown color with some sandstone and solid rock in some areas. Anyway, Ray told me that this hike turned into a nightmare when he was exploring this forested hillside that had a cavern going back into the hillside. They noticed some movement in the tall timber trees around 100 feet away. He said it looked like a hairy bear that was hiding behind a tree. They both became upset and apprehensive when they saw this large creature sneaking along behind them and walking on two legs. Ray told his friend that they had better continue on their hike down hill and they both kept looiking back on the trail as they hiked. They would get glimpses of the bigfoot following them, and they continued to walk down the hill along the rocky trail with few options since they weren't armed. He said they we're constantly looking back and this Bigfoot creature was following them at a distance of 2 to 3 football fields. They continued up the hill in quite a panic that still affects him to this day. Anyway he said that he and his friend finally got to their pickup and public forest road that is maintained by Coos County. The roads are for transportation across the mountains that that connect Oregon forest land to towns that seem to be twenty to sixty miles apart. Ayway, they hurried up when they got to the public gravel road and both men were mentally and physically exhusted. This happened to Ray about 17 years ago when he was in high school. A few years ago I asked if he wanted to drive up into that area and show me where the trail and canyon were located. He acted moderately interested but hasn't brought it up again. I suspect some fear that is understandable. The roads up there cross different canyons so it's not quite as easy as one would think to find the correct canyon . Anyway, Ray did not seem very excited at all about returning to that area. This was puzzling to me at first. I now believe that he has serious reoccurring fears that date back to this incident when Bigfoot followed he and his friend down the canyon trail and up again. They were hiking for a hour and a half with Bigfoot following them that was traumatic without weapons. This would be very awful since they did get glimpses of the Bigfoot and this topic is not a game for him. He might have psychological damage from this incident I have been on the roads that are close to this area and I had a bad experience also. I was about five miles from this location several years ago. My wife and I were looking at rural homes near this area before the road goes up in the hills. One evening, I went went along a creek that was in the vicinity. I hung some apples in the trees about 7 or 8 feet in the air not too far from the vacant home. The sun went down seemingly quick so we headed back to the car. I noticed something large moving away from our car that flashed out of sight. It spooked me enough that only to remove my desire to return. I read another bigfoot report that took place in the vicinity. If a small group of proven seasoned experiencers want to explore this area then I can provide maps, information, and forum reports. There is a primitive campground nearby. This adventure is for the skookum and seasoned researchers. Skookum is a native American word for 'woods wise' that originated in parts of Oregon

Sure. 1) While it's partially out now, I wouldn't use a witnesses real name in an open forum like this. 2) Was there a typo? You say "Joe Dokes" is 50 yo now, but this incident occurred 17 years ago when he was in high school. 3) Given that this appears to have appeared in a remote area, can you and the witness put the start point and approximate cave location on a map program and screen shot it? 4) Would "Joe Dokes" be willing to put you (as an investigator) in contact with witness #2 (John or Jane Doe) so you can get a second version of the incident? 5) For the purpose of someone putting it into the SSR or another database, facts are paramount. We have the who and what. When - to the extent possible, date and time, which would give seasonal information. Where - even a 4-digit grid would allow researchers to see if it relates to other encounters and look at environmental factors (altitude, slope face, etc.) Why - what facts might allow inferences about why the Bigfoot acted that way? What did the witness(es) observe about the cave? I'm sure that others will have questions as well.

This story of ape has been investigated and there are facts that have been discovered about the incident that is posted below. An investigation led to the actual mine and the place where the cabin once stood. Read below and you will understand what facts were excavated from cabin site making the story more than just myth but an actual story that happened. Bigfoot Forums Bigfoot Forums.url The Vanderwhite mine, historically associated with the 1924 incident, was a critical target in the rediscovery efforts. Situated outside the traditional Mount St. Helens mining district, the mine was long thought lost to time and the elements. However, the dedication and meticulous research by Marc Myrsell and his team led to its remarkable rediscovery. The mine's location, outside of the mining district, highlights the historical context of mining claims in the early 20th century. In the era of hand-staked claims, locating this mine was akin to finding a needle in a haystack. Further exploration led to more concrete findings. A significant moment occurred when Braden and Jared Mitchell, members of the research team, sent a photo to the speaker showing an obvious mine entrance, identifiable by the drill holes present. This confirmed the location of the mine, which the speaker had previously visited and estimated to be within 50 to 75 feet of their earlier explorations. In 2014, the discovery of a broken-off box saw blade next to a stump further supported their findings. This, along with other field evidence, convinced them that they had indeed located the cabin. This discovery was seen as a significant part of the history of the Pacific Northwest and was highly prevalent in historical records of the time. The team also found various artifacts at the site, including baling wire (which was identified from a 1924 photo), a spoon, nails, and the foundation of the cabin, with nails still driven into the logs. Despite the area being covered by trees and rocks and appearing just as a steep slope, they were able to uncover two walls of the cabin, as well as some cross beams, by digging down about 4 to 6 inches The rediscovery of the cabin site stands as a testament to the power of perseverance and collaborative historical research. With Marc Myrsell's extensive knowledge and assistance, the team embarked on a journey that would ultimately lead them to the long-lost cabin. This effort was not just about finding a physical structure; it was about reconnecting with a pivotal moment in local folklore and history. The discovery of the cabin site, where the miners once took refuge and faced the mysterious creatures, offers a tangible connection to the stories passed down through generations.

Just found your channel, didn't see this here. You guys are doing some great work! Excited to see this here, and watch your vids. Happy hunting!

Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all the BFF.

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10 votes. Not much of a sampling. What little time I have for watching videos, I go with The Facts By How To Hunt. Like the no nonsense delivery and word for word reading of other folks experiences.

Envious. What is that blue patch above the mountain? Other than a shower a week ago that barely got the asphalt wet, we haven't seen rain in a long time, but we also have not seen the sun. Wake up to drippy fog, kinda burns off to thick white haze, returns to drippy fog, and gets dark. It gets old. Apparently we've got a pretty serious storm coming in Monday/Tuesday. In a way, I'm looking forward to the change, but I also remember "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

Here is a video chronicling our investigation into an area that we recently located using report data and terrain analysis. There is some interesting stuff happening up there and we will be going back and monitoring the lower elevation edges throughout the winter.

I am currently filming and editing some projects, I will be adding some of our catalog here for discussion in the near future.

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