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While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.

No doubt, and despite the fact that nobody can definitively say what it is there’s still no shortage of people flippantly dismissing it as a bear because the idea that it could be something else is one they don’t want to deal with. Just like Patty is a guy in a suit, sure…..

I've noticed that at least some predators seem to avoid traveling the same path as their prey. On cameras where I get deer, elk and moose; the bears and cougar are mostly seen crossing rather than following the trail. Blue Mountains of Washington Cinnamon Bear crossing the game trail.

My oldest boy, Steve, called me earlier this week to see if I was heading out in the mountains this long weekend. He didn't have to twist my arm very hard to get a yes out of me. ;-) I picked him up at about noon, after my honey-do list was done, and we headed out to the north side of the Fraser River, east of Mission. We chose to go in a FSR that would bring us to a creek valley north of the one where we both had sightings about 45 years ago. The valley of our sightings has become very popular with the local 4x4 and ATV groups, and would be busy on a sunny Good Friday, hence the detour to the back side of those same mountains. Once we got to our chosen branch FSR, we had the place to ourselves, other than 1 truck headed out as we went in. The previous 3 nights had brought heavy rain via thunderstorms, so the road was a little slick, and coated the Hummer with a nice tan coat of mud, rubbing off on our pant legs every time we got in or out of the truck, and washing away any hopes of seeing tracks. Not only were no tracks spotted, no animals were seen all day, either. Every branch trail that we attempted off the main one ended in washout, mudslides, or deadfall, and in 1 case, all 3 in the same spot! By 6 PM we called it a day, and turned around for the 1 hour run back to pavement on the washboard gravel FSR main. I was blessed to be able to get out in the hills with each of my sons on subsequent weekends, It felt like our outings when they were both still teens.

I am just getting warmed up. I wanted to make a post on St. Patricks' day but was blocked by the new firewall. The M18 Motorway in Ireland has one of the famous Hawthorn Trees. Score: Fairies 1, science 0. The delay cost extra tax payer dollars and about 10 years behind schedule. The tax payers approved the extra money to move the motorway project. That Hawthorn Tree is considered to be a portal for the Kerry / Munster Fairies and the Cannaught Fairies to do battle. That portal is their link to the 'Otherworld'. Portals. Why is it portals? This forum has a lot of members in Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland. Places of deep history and high strangeness. I want to know more about the 'Grey Man' and 'Selkies'.

I think you overestimate their fear of guns. It's not the gun, it's the person holding it. SCARED people with guns are dangerous, unpredictable, volatile. Calm, confident people with guns are just calm, confident people .. not a threat. It's the fear that turns the gun into a hazard. Humans telegraph fear quite loudly in our posture, motions, and so on. I've had a couple of sightings, camp visits at night, been punked / messed with .. and every time, minus one, I had a gun, often a hunting rifle slung over my shoulder, not something hidden. It ain't about the gun, it's about the human.

The only keyboard warrior is you.

Lowkee, zendog or who ever you are, once you start calling people uncreative names like simpletons, your age and IQ, which is very low, begin to show through. You should take some time to grow up or go troll somewhere else. You are not well versed in the art of trolling. And so far yours is zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/us/monkeys-truck-crash-pennsylvania.html

"Brush Apes" weren't really different from Sasquatch as far as I remember the stores. However, a friend of my step-father's was on a baseball team in the 1940s which was called the Brush Apes. So it's not a new term. Certainly predates Momo in my recollections. My Samurai Chatter experience bothered me because it lasted for such a long time and on consecutive nights. On the first night I went to sleep after listening for a full hour. Just seemed odd to me that it lasted so long. Later, Mike Jay (over 30 years chasing bigfoot) assured me this was not nearly as unusual as I had thought. Still, I was raised in Missouri so I probably must see it to believe it.

There is no way you can prove it is a bear. Your testimony is as irrelevant to the conversation as anyone else's. You made the statement that it is a bear. A statement you can not back up with anything other than anecdotal evidence.

Those are some pretty horse, and nice pictures.... They don't mean diddly. Too many old timers here do this. Rather than evidence to back their position, look at all this evidence of what a big bad outsdoors guy I am, so I must be right. Its not a sasquatch, it never was. Its a bear at a bear feeding station, in an odd pose, doing bear stuff.

Black Jack and Joker at the ranch Scout and Joker at the snow peak cabin doing work for the USFS Steven, Jasper, Red and Scout at ranch Red at ranch Big Red, Mary Lou and Benny in the Frank Church wilderness, Idaho

An old packer trick is to rub Vicks vapor rub in their nose. I didn’t have any with me so I tied my fleece jacket around her neck that had my sweat on it. Its mainly just time under pack saddle. Another thing that helps young mules is to mix them with old mules. The old mules will teach them with bites or kicks if they get out of line. I had a lead mule that would lift her leg going down the trail if a young mule tried to pass her. If the youngin did not take the hint? They got kicked in the chin. She was the best mule I ever owned. Bought her from the Busted Ass ranch sale in Arlee, Montana. Paid 1500 bucks for her in 96. Everyone laughed at me until it was time to throw elk quarters on and they are having a goat rodeo and my 2 mules are standing in the gut pile ears forward…… they came right off an outfitter pack string. She trained many of the young mules going forward. Suspension bridges, deer, elk, bear, high line etiquette, going down the trail. I shot her with my .44 mag when she was blind and failing in the fall one year. She would not have made it through another winter. I bawled like a baby. Hardest thing I have ever done. She was in her 30s. Her name was Mary Lou.

Guess which one didn't listen to advice and looked at the sun, today.

Lots of great info and resources here as usual. The subject hasn't gotten stagnant to me personally, however I am bored of a lot of the "production" efforts. There's only one group (small town monsters) currently turning out good content on bigfoot and it's because there's little to no fluff for viewers. You get the story then make up your own mind. As for research I kinda stopped watching every one else except the OP, Darby Orcutt, and the kid from the UK with the old world primate DNA showing up. Kinda got me out of the mindset of keeping up with the Joneses on hardware and technology and just sticking to doing what I do best, and that's tracking and ecology studies. I just go out, enjoy the wilderness, take pics, and conduct the occasional survey or official study. If your close to WV I'm open for any of y'all to come out with me anytime. I've got some updating to do over on the southern WV/ Wineberry thread. Good topic

I'm still not sure on these photos. I'm now 80% sick, mangy bear and 20% "no clue".

For whatever reason we can say they don't seem to be having an effect since they are not attracting them. If they are, they are not doing so in a way that results in people getting them on camera or having a reported sighting using them as bait. I like the idea of some scent as bait. Certain animals go into heat. That is a strategy that could be assumed to work for some animals. We all know in people (and some animals) the smell of food or cooking seems to work. We all have heard in science class how wolves came closer smell of food cooking on the fire and became domesticated dogs for the cavemen. What attracts a bigfoot? I don't know if apes are attracted to 'smells' be it pheromones or McDonalds in the garbage bin. We could assume Bigfoot might be more likely to be attracted to what we might be or at least what attracts a Gorilla, but we can't really know. Just guess. All things need to eat sleep mate and so on. Using a smell in a smart way - assuming we know the smell- seems like a reasonable idea. The trick will be to 1) get the right smell 2) have it close enough to enough subjects to lure at least one in. 3) have a camera ready and able when the animal arrives. I remember a Bigfoot show on TV where the person played a set of drums in the woods hoping to make bigfoot 'curious' Not the worst idea. My take would be food attracts people and other animals. Even if I eat, I still notice my stomach rumbles when the neighbor is cooking on the grill or popping popcorn. At the end of the day Dr. Hannible Lecter sums it up well in Silence of the Lambs: Hannibal Lecter: "First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? In this way, if we could know what Bigfoot likes and provide it to him/her we might have a chance. Clearly what we are doing isn't working or is not working well enough to accomplish a home run encounter.

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Actually the snail darter is not a snail. It is a fish.

Interesting thread full of good points. The wilderness is enjoyable and the last day in the woods is the worst day in the woods, hopefully there's always one more. You could spend a lifetime in the woods and never hear or see anything out of the ordinary. You could stumble from your back door too your garbage cans and spot a bigfoot in your yard. I don't think there's a way to improve the odds other than to be out there, enjoying the fresh air. As far as new innovation in the subject, and as much as he's a self aggrandizing showboater, "thinker thunker" promoting body proportion measurement of old photos and videos certainly sheds new light on old evidence. I've heard skepticism over his technique but it still holds true. Go grab a bunch of photos and measure relative length of arms, legs and torso and see what appears.

Thank you for working through it! You are amazing, and we appreciate you.

This is why I seldom "go bigfooting." Instead, I go fishing, hiking, hunting, exploring, taking pictures, whatever. Make those my first priority. Do it where there seems to be an elevated (comparatively speaking) chance of bigfoot activity, but make bigfoot .. secondary. The odds of success at those other things seems higher, high enough to keep the interest going, and "bigfoot country" is a great place to do them.

Well….a Chimp certainly doesn’t have much of a heel. And if they curl their toes I don’t think you could easily discern it from a paw. Unless it’s using its feet as hands.

It is not a Sasquatch. Again, the camera had a factory setting of one image every 30 seconds. 30 seconds is a lot time for an animal to enter and leave a bait station. That format can be limiting for ID and locomotion observations. It was cost effective to monitor for deer, bear, turkey or ground hogs. An image does show that the target did not have an elongated Calcaneus at the heel = not a Sasquatch. I have had a lot bear images: walking forwards, walking backwards, doing a spin and turn move to change directions, walking on a log etc. I deleted most of them. It is a blobsquatch to be fodder for social media. At the end of the day, there is an expression that works: " I don't know". 'I don't know' is a good answer. For those of you who want to burn more time, find out if Mr. Jacobs sold his Bushnell camera on ebay and bought a Reconyx brand camera. That time period would probably be an RM45, RC55 or an old Silent Image. Carry on.

I'm not a bigfoot expert because I have never seen one . I have seen plenty of black bears because my state is loaded with them and get them crossing my property many many times every year . I know some say it could be a black bear with mange and it's true mange can make animals look really weird sometimes . I'm on the fence because in my opinion the two photos do not look like a cub with mange .It's just impossible to tell really what type of animal it is. The length of the limbs just look way too long to be a black bear . Escaped exotic animal from a owner ? maybe a chimp ...who knows

I took a few hours this afternoon to go a little further than I had ever been on the east side of Stave Lake, to a spot called Grotto Falls. I didn't quite reach the falls, as that would require fording the river to go up the far bank, and I was solo for this run. As it was, I had to take a couple of pretty sketchy bypasses around some washouts, the first one of which had a young lady winching her Jeep to get out of, as she couldn't make it without a locking axle. Even with my rear locker engaged, I had to make 3 attempts to get up the short, steep climb. The weather was great, a nice warm, sunny spring day in the mountains, so it was a pleasure to be out there. I didn't see any game or obvious tracks along the route, but I enjoyed the time in the mountains anyway.

Great view of a big tamarack budding. Only evergreen to loose its needles each fall.

Very poor. The guy has 8 subscribers, one video and the video is 5 years old. Never run a film camera without film! The film pressure plate can be seen. Frame rate is unknown and sounds faster than 24fps. Gain on recording is unknown. With the lens in place, noise would be attenuated. The unit could use a good cleaning and lubrication. The sound from my K-100's is pleasant.

I don’t care if your a troll or my best friend. The Jacobs creature does NOT look like any Bear I have ever seen in my lifetime. Young or old. Fat or skinny. Sick or healthy. Standing up hill or downhill. That’s my opinion based on a lifetime of dealing with bears. I am simply being honest. Could I be wrong? Sure. And that is why I asked for someone to show me a OBVIOUS bear that looked like the Jacobs photo. And thus far? None of the mangy skinny bear pics are convincing to me. And that’s because I see shoulders hiding the head in the Jacobs photos. Bears? Do not have shoulders. And? The Chimp vs Jacobs creature comparisons are dead ringers in my opinion. 🤷‍♂️

…Cynomolgus monkeys were in such high demand for coronavirus vaccine researchat the beginning of the pandemic that some scientists were talking about the need to create a strategic monkey reserve… I never saw that escaped monkey story before but it was worth reading just to see this, strategic monkey reserve, now you’re talking. One of my favorite things about spending time in the woods no matter what you’re doing is you never know what you may come across.

I don’t find you amusing at all. You’re just a troll. Your reasoning is about as good as your reading comprehension.

IDK, maybe if you would have just owned up to your mistake when I first pointed it out?

And not worth the time/energy to debate further.

It’s clearly a “bear” Thats why it is INFAMOUS as the Jacob photos? I have shot bear, gutted bear and even packed bear out by mule. I’ve never seen a “bear” like that! I have NEVER claimed it’s Sasquatch. The onus is on you to prove it’s a Bear as you claim. Also, did you know that Dr. Mayor found Chimpanzee DNA in a national forest in the Appalachia? How does Chimpanzee DNA end up on a forest floor in the wild? https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/expedition-bigfoot/articles/expedition-bigfoot-exciting-dna-find I don’t know what’s going on back east? But the Jacobs photo IS NOT a Bear. And I would presume it’s not a bipedal primate either. It looks like a Chimpanzee to me.

56 years old, live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada. Lifelong interest in Sasquatch started with the 1973 book "Sasquatch" by Don Hunter with René Dahinden. Listen to many podcasts and have a decent book collection. Always looking to learn more and hear the experiences of others.

I've seen that mug! My only point is that their content is a little monotonous after watching all of their sasquatch related content for years. That said, I am looking forward to their next installment haha

Hello to the administrator and all members of this very interesting forum. I just moved to Oregon this past year and have visited Mt. Hood National Forest and hiking about a few times. It seems I’ve had a strong interest in Sasquatch and it’s hominid cousins since I was a kid. I studied Anthropology in college and became fascinated with human evolution and related paleontology material. Gigantopithecus got my attention, as some schools of thought believe that Bigfoot is a biological descendant of these largest beings of the ape family. The subject of Sasquatch fits right in within the historical journeys of our early ancestors and related homonoids out of Africa.

It always was a bear. There's no doubt. All the other wishful thinking are flights of fancy

Actually most have moved on from these misidentified bear photos.

Howdy all.....some interesting pics from recent hikes, the headless Barbie doll was definitely creepy considering the remoteness of where it was.

https://www.clyx.com/books/blake/anecdotes_of_the_american_indians/the_idol_of_the_peorias_from_an_old_traveller.htm Here’s a story I’ve never seen before, I read it in an old book and then found it online. I’m thinking this dates to the mid-late 1700’s, the Peorias moved west of the Mississippi after the French and Indian War in 1763. The gist of it is ‘Old Traveller’ visited an Indian village where they kept a creature they found in the woods, it comes to an unfortunate end and he secures the remains and turns it over to a collector in France. …Judge of my astonishment, for this is the picture of their Manitou: his head hung upon his breast, and looked like a goat’s; his ears and his cruel eye were like those of a lynx, with the same kind of hair; his feet, hands, and thighs were in form something like those of a man. “The Indians found him in the woods, at the foot of a ridge of mountains… Not exactly a BF description, but no neck and humanoid shape caught my attention. If true what else could it be? …so that it was strangled. I got it instantly dissected, in order to bring it to France, where its skeleton is now in the cabinet of natural history of M. de Fayolles… Who knows what may have fallen into human hands in the past only to be forgotten/misidentified and tossed aside, or destroyed.

I wonder how long Dogman has even been a thing. Personally I’ve always thought it was most likely a misidentification of BF, details can get confused when people are freaked out. The book this came from was published in the 1840’s, I was surprised to see it. It’s a nonfiction collection of stories/writings, this story definitely seemed out of character, I guess the author believed it to be true. I’m thinking it was originally in French.

Hello from South Florida. I’ve come to seek a deeper understanding of the topic and learn from those of you with lived experience. The notion that there’s something so grand thriving just beyond the boundaries of our society fascinates me to no end. I’m thrilled to be here and intend to listen and learn. JJ

Which is just a vicious cycle. We cannot classify a species that has not been discovered. Therefore we cannot afford them any protection under the endangered species act. Or the Bureau of Indian affairs for that matter, if you prefer. Until proof is presented? They reside in the realm of Pixies and Gnomes. And no one is going to stop a freeway project or a new dam project for a Pixie or a Gnome. So right now it’s a crap shoot. With no scientific data to back up any of our conclusions.

We have no way to quantify if they are doing well or not. But I am sure the loss of habitat along the I5 corridor, the loss of salmon runs, the Mt. St. Helen’s eruption, etc have all had impacts on their population. It would be my hope that if the species is recognized by science that it would be Federally protected.

Sasquatch does find you, no question about it, but you have to put yourself in a spot for that opportunity to occur. E. 42nd St and Park Ave (Grand Central Station) won't produce the desired results. I would say deep woods aren't a necessity but being in areas that have access to wilderness isn't a bad idea. Those who endeavor to go sasquatching will eventually get frustrated unless being in the woods itself is the fun part. Knowing wilderness survival, and practicing it, along with wilderness navigation techniques help to reduce concerns about getting injured or lost. Never too old to learn nor ever too busy to participate unless life's responsibilities or other more desirable activities tug harder at your coattails. Half the battle is just getting out there.

Getting started as an adult can be difficult. You need some friends, a mentor. Consider taking some .. I hesitate to call them "classes", maybe seminars is a better word .. from someone like REI to get you roughly familiarized with camping. Then when you are comfortable enough, try going out with a group like BFRO. It is not for everyone but .. y' gotta start somewhere. I know some people who go on such trips who "camp" inside their cars which reduces the amount of gear needed.