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Happy New Year, Bigfoot family! I hope every one gets a chance to answer their questions about Bigfoot/Sasquatch this year, whether it's with a sighting, physical evidence, or online research. I'm still very much enjoying the adventure, even as I turn 81 today. Cheers!

Out again today up the Pack River. Cut deer and moose tracks. Hiked 2 miles into a clear cut. Did a few call sets. Nothing. The clouds rolled in early after noon. Pea soup. On the way out but still on National Forest I come around the corner and what appears to be a Wolf standing on the road. I grab the binos and look at it and it finally turns and it has a harness on.🙄 I never saw the owner. The chick in Montana that shows up to the bar with a skinned Husky was playing in my head.🤣 I got back on the main FS road and continued up river until I hit a mudslide that wiped the road out. A 4 wheeler with tracks had cut a trail out and had made it through. I had to turn around. But it did remind me to stop at the DMV in Idaho and buy my 2026 sticker for my Yamaha Grizzly on tracks. It’s getting to the point that I need to be taking it to reach the good spots. My birthday gift of the Ray Ban smart glasses is working out well. I can just take a picture with a button on the frame instead of digging for my cell phone. And I think the picture quality looks good. What do you guys think?

BP is "before present". (a quick edit: for "BP" time, year 0 is 1950, so 200BP would be 1750.) The earliest Clovis points date to about 13,000 years ago. Having sites in North America 10,000 years before Clovis nullifies the whole "Clovis first" paradigm. Along with that idea was populating North America through an ice free corridor in the Cordilleran ice sheet. There was no ice free corridor 23,000 years ago. This more or less forces the populating of N.A. to have been by boat along the coast following the "kelp highway" rather than overland. Most of the artifacts from that route are under hundreds of feet of seawater today since the melting of the continental glaciers has pushed sea levels up that much. There were at least 4 periods in the pleistocene where there was a Bering land bridge rather than open water but we don't have any generally accepted evidence of human occupation going back to those earlier 3 periods. For now, the suggested, speculative very early "stuff" (100K years BP) seems to stand alone with no supporting evidence and most likely is wishful thinking, not evidence of human occupation. Possibility of 30K years could be inferred though. The important part is that Clovis technology was NOT the earliest in North America, people were here before Clovis technology was developed. Most likely, also, since there were already people here, Clovis, despite having strong similarity to Solutrean technology, is probably a North American development. With people already here, there should be strong genetic connection if the technology were imported.

That is an huge revelation to me as well. They were all, surely, tough as nails to begin with.. just as surely as the trip to the mine and cabin were hard work, the work in the mine was even harder work. The walk to the water was tough and at night? Tough as nails or not, forget it. Whatever happened there, they weren't going anywhere in the dark either way.

From a pure story telling perspective? I like Bob Gymlan. His real name is Bryan Gagne, stage name of Bob Gymlan. The illustrations are what does it for me. Compelling stories well told. Not strictly BF related, of course, but entertaining nonetheless. Some of the others will just relay any zany story that some troll or prankster sends in, zero vetting, which turns me off immediately to the rest of their content. Other than that, there's a hundred small channels with no subscribers who go out and film in the woods, same or not they put time in. Western New York Bigfoot is an example. Just a guy going into the woods.

Merry Christmas BFF!

Interesting debate about Bigfoot. Ran across this. Many of you probably already have seen this. What I like about the video is Meldrum has a polite debate with this somewhat skeptic Erika Gutsick Gibbon. She brings up respectfully reasonable points and Meldrum does a great job answering each one. I learned additional things just listening to these two (and Esp Meldrum). It is a loooooong video but if you have the time, It is informative. I wish more discussions could be on this level. Finally, Meldrum does a good job essentially being kind and not dunking on her when it is obvious he could.

23,000 Before Present (now). "Science" actively discouraged speculation of human activity in N America prior to approximately 13,000 Before Present (Clovis culture). Such speculation led to careers being damaged, and was suppressed. The confirmation that the White Sands fossil footprints at 23,000 BP helped dash the stranglehold of the "None Before Clovis" dogma. Real science freed to pursue discovery of prehistoric N American human activity.

read it once and thanks... will read it again and thanks for the details... "NM goes back to about 23,000 BP..." What does 23,000 bP stand for and how does it relate to the Clovis culture?

How long was CLOVIS FIRST jammed down our throats? How many scientists careers were destroyed for simply reporting the truth? And it wasn’t just a little wrong…. It was vastly grossly WRONG. So if science suppressed vastly older cultures found farther south than Berengia 13000 years ago? For 75 years? What else are they suppressing? They concocted a “narrative” and then they vehemently defended that narrative. This wasn’t science. This was a cult. And people shouldn’t just blindly trust science. It should be questioned repeatedly. And be forced to reconsider the evidence often and adjust hypotheses accordingly. Heckle fish WF video talks about the Egyptian experts loosing their poo about older cultures in Turkey recently found. Why does science do this? And they of course throw shade on bipedal cryptids the world over. Despite more findings that our family tree was more bushy and more recently extant than previously thought. Why?

Well, they were experienced woodsmen, and they had to put up a battle to defend their cabin from a Bigfoot intrusion. They were probably used to dealing with severe situations that involve wildlife so they were able to combat the adversary and make it out alive. Some of these American woodsmen and American forest women were totally amazing people and spent a lot of time exploring and camping in the woods. They had capable firearms and were good shots with multiple shot weapons. Pack a pistol in the woods and be safe.

I just got back from a birthday bonfire on the banks of the Fraser River with the research gang. Was blessed with a unique rendition of "Happy Birthday" by non other than Thomas Steenburg; hilarious!!

Ironically, the story didn't bother me 'til I watched the vid of the "expedition" to the site. With just how crazy steep that is, the whole thing takes on a whole new level of disturbing. Unless there was some other way off the mountain, downhill rather than from above, they were truly sitting ducks. It would take hours at best, in heavy brush, heavy cover, to climb out, requiring hands, not just feet, so no gun in hand, no hasty response possible, with potential ambush at every step. No joke a bad bad situation.

Merry Squatchmas!

Ugh! ::wiping egg off face:: His today-posted video details his latest venture, with Todd Standing and in the first five minutes espousing mind-speak, portals, and Paulides' new movie (being discussed in another active thread.) Reassessing.

He has bitten the Melba Ketchum lure, hook line and sinker. Thats where the “fallen angel” stuff comes from. I think you all know what I think of Ketchums work. Your mileage may vary.

Wolf hunt today in north Idaho. Not much of a winter thus far. We have actually lost snow pack with the Atmospheric River that has flooded much of the PacNW. Saw one Moose today. Saw a-lot of Moose tracks. I went up a dead end road and on the way out discovered I had ran over a kill. Must have been covered in a thin crust of snow. I am guessing its a yearling Moose calf? Maybe a Deer or even a Elk calf. Something had been crunching on the bones and after inspection I found a short black hair on one of the bones. So I kept it and its in the freezer. I am not saying its anything Bigfoot related. But Moose calves, Elk and Deer tend to be a brown color. I thought it was worthy of collecting. If Bigfoot eats ungulates? Surely some evidence will be found on a kill site. If anyone wants the sample? Let me know. In other news I ate it on ice today. The Winchester model 70 hit the ground. Gonna have to check zero. My elbows feel like hamburger. This big thaw has made everything in the mountains a polished sheet of ice. I stepped off the bank after glassing a clear cut and thought the road was snowy. About a 1/4 inch was and underneath was polished glass. Must have looked like a baby Moose on roller skates. Ouch.

Yah my cousins are flooding in Sedro Wooley! Blue sky is nice! Been a good visit with my daughters family.

Envious. What is that blue patch above the mountain? Other than a shower a week ago that barely got the asphalt wet, we haven't seen rain in a long time, but we also have not seen the sun. Wake up to drippy fog, kinda burns off to thick white haze, returns to drippy fog, and gets dark. It gets old. Apparently we've got a pretty serious storm coming in Monday/Tuesday. In a way, I'm looking forward to the change, but I also remember "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

Nah, more like Twix...

Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy New Year! Catching up on some interesting pictures....cheers:)

This thought about tracks and encountering other critters .. I still think the most likely to be dangerous is other humans. There are a lot of good people out there. It only takes one problem person, though sometimes those travel in packs. Watch out around campgrounds and trailheads, they present a predatory person with an ideal opportunity .. people with their guard down, possibly few witnesses, and a ready way to escape / fade into the crowd (traffic). Maintain situational awareness .. ear buds out, cell phones pocketed / put away, hands free, and keys handy. You want to be able to walk to your car, open the door, throw in your pack, climb in, and drive away with no searching for keys etc while you are at your maximum exposure to risk. Probably all will be cool, but it is better to be over prepared than under prepared.

It would be interesting to follow the global spread of yams. Thor Heyerdahl's theories were not universally accepted after his voyage. Polynesian navigators easily crossed back and forth. Genetic and linguistic research reveals that Heyerdahl's theories don't work. The modern version of Heyerdahl's voyage makes for a nice movie ( except for the parrot ). I have not checked on the travels of yams to see if they went east from South America to Africa and Australia. Yams could have traveled west to Australia and islands.

Happy belated birthday, and I'll mercifully spare you and the forum having to endure me singing. Many happy returns.

I agree and disagree with MIB. 1) I absolutely agree that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result IS folly. I have always been pro kill and I remain so. Even when trolls call me a murderous psycho. Oh well. We can agree to disagree over the morality of it. But I think any sensible person has came to the logical solution that science will only accept a body on a slab or a large portion there of. 2) I absolutely disagree that conspiracies are ignorance. The Smithsonian is under staffed. Well OK….. If we were talking about a new species of butterfly? OK! But an 8 foot tall skeleton? Just misplaced that huh? Got lost in the shuffle? Bull puckey!!! And the amount of surveillance capabilities our current government has at its disposal? There is no way. NO WAY, an 8 foot tall primate has not shown up on a border camera. A FLIR scope on a drone or helicopter. Military bases. Army. Air Force. USMC. US Navy. Coast Guard. Border Patrol. State Patrol. Sheriff Dept. Fire Dept. US Forest Service. US Fish and Game. State Game Wardens. On and on and on. Our Fire Dept had FLIR capabilities in the 1990s. We used to look for hot spots during mop up. I have a buddy that was Air National Guard. Flew mission to catch the Green River killer. Watched him pee on the side of the road from 12000 ft! No one has seen anything? 🤨 Sure. You bet. I would argue that anyone who argues against a conspiracy IS ignorant. Ignorant of their government’s capabilities and ignorant of their governments ability to lie. So why? Well this is the million dollar question right? I think that part of the problem is that the government never wants to admit to something they have no control over. “Hey guys, kinda hard to admit this now but there is a 8 ft tall primate running around North America….sorry we never mentioned this.” And I think that depending on what it is? It may prove to be a headache for the government from an aboriginal claims point of view. Huntster eludes to this. It’s certainly possible. Read the head lines… “US Government signs treaty with Sasquatch tribe in the Hoh rainforest. Millions of acres are set aside for new tribal lands.” Or maybe its recognition is no more than a rare Ape…. A bipedal North American Chimpanzee or Gorilla? No treaties will be signed but it will still impact how business is done on the National Forest! Full stop! They are talking about tearing out the dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers for Salmon because Killer whales are starving in the Pacific. Imagine a population of rare Apes in North America? Whats gonna change? Maybe some people don’t want change?🤷‍♂️

Audio comparison from several areas our group is monitoring.

Caught him on the 360 cam!

Nice set on that guy, going to have to get a couple more up there so you can key in on him next year.

I think this is the key factor. If the definition of "species" were to differentiate despite being able to breed, then that certainly opens up a very large can of worms. "Wolves and dogs are classified as different species because they have distinct behaviors, physical traits, and ecological roles, despite being genetically similar enough to interbreed and produce fertile offspring. This classification is based on the concept of species, which considers factors like reproductive isolation and evolutionary history, rather than just the ability to mate."

To avoid the political pressure to classify or set aside more lands from access or resource development. To avoid the realization that there is more than one species of Homo on this planet, which opens up numerous new questions/problems about human rights, laws, religious interpretations, politics, ethnicity, etc.

Let's guess at some of the reasons for hiding bigfoot evidence such as bones, bodies, actual hides, DNA, or hair.?

A local Southern Oregon fellow who is engaged to my daughter told me about his Bigfoot experience in the mountains 40 miles from my home location. He's now 50 years old, and is still horrified from what happened to him that involved bigfoot 17 years ago. He said that he and his friend had gone up in mountains to explore, and they parked their car about 25 miles from nearest town and began to take a well made trail that went down through this forested area. They walked a trail that went down a canyon through the tall Douglas Fir trees, and they saw a 6' diameter cave in the brush that went into the hillside Hillsides in this area is covered with brush, 100 foot tall Douglas Fir trees, and whispy trees that are 15 feet or more tall. The soil is a light brown color with some sandstone and solid rock in some areas. Anyway, Ray told me that this hike turned into a nightmare when he was exploring this forested hillside that had a cavern going back into the hillside. They noticed some movement in the tall timber trees around 100 feet away. He said it looked like a hairy bear that was hiding behind a tree. They both became upset and apprehensive when they saw this large creature sneaking along behind them and walking on two legs. Ray told his friend that they had better continue on their hike down hill and they both kept looiking back on the trail as they hiked. They would get glimpses of the bigfoot following them, and they continued to walk down the hill along the rocky trail with few options since they weren't armed. He said they we're constantly looking back and this Bigfoot creature was following them at a distance of 2 to 3 football fields. They continued up the hill in quite a panic that still affects him to this day. Anyway he said that he and his friend finally got to their pickup and public forest road that is maintained by Coos County. The roads are for transportation across the mountains that that connect Oregon forest land to towns that seem to be twenty to sixty miles apart. Ayway, they hurried up when they got to the public gravel road and both men were mentally and physically exhusted. This happened to Ray about 17 years ago when he was in high school. A few years ago I asked if he wanted to drive up into that area and show me where the trail and canyon were located. He acted moderately interested but hasn't brought it up again. I suspect some fear that is understandable. The roads up there cross different canyons so it's not quite as easy as one would think to find the correct canyon . Anyway, Ray did not seem very excited at all about returning to that area. This was puzzling to me at first. I now believe that he has serious reoccurring fears that date back to this incident when Bigfoot followed he and his friend down the canyon trail and up again. They were hiking for a hour and a half with Bigfoot following them that was traumatic without weapons. This would be very awful since they did get glimpses of the Bigfoot and this topic is not a game for him. He might have psychological damage from this incident I have been on the roads that are close to this area and I had a bad experience also. I was about five miles from this location several years ago. My wife and I were looking at rural homes near this area before the road goes up in the hills. One evening, I went went along a creek that was in the vicinity. I hung some apples in the trees about 7 or 8 feet in the air not too far from the vacant home. The sun went down seemingly quick so we headed back to the car. I noticed something large moving away from our car that flashed out of sight. It spooked me enough that only to remove my desire to return. I read another bigfoot report that took place in the vicinity. If a small group of proven seasoned experiencers want to explore this area then I can provide maps, information, and forum reports. There is a primitive campground nearby. This adventure is for the skookum and seasoned researchers. Skookum is a native American word for 'woods wise' that originated in parts of Oregon

Sure. 1) While it's partially out now, I wouldn't use a witnesses real name in an open forum like this. 2) Was there a typo? You say "Joe Dokes" is 50 yo now, but this incident occurred 17 years ago when he was in high school. 3) Given that this appears to have appeared in a remote area, can you and the witness put the start point and approximate cave location on a map program and screen shot it? 4) Would "Joe Dokes" be willing to put you (as an investigator) in contact with witness #2 (John or Jane Doe) so you can get a second version of the incident? 5) For the purpose of someone putting it into the SSR or another database, facts are paramount. We have the who and what. When - to the extent possible, date and time, which would give seasonal information. Where - even a 4-digit grid would allow researchers to see if it relates to other encounters and look at environmental factors (altitude, slope face, etc.) Why - what facts might allow inferences about why the Bigfoot acted that way? What did the witness(es) observe about the cave? I'm sure that others will have questions as well.

This story of ape has been investigated and there are facts that have been discovered about the incident that is posted below. An investigation led to the actual mine and the place where the cabin once stood. Read below and you will understand what facts were excavated from cabin site making the story more than just myth but an actual story that happened. Bigfoot Forums Bigfoot Forums.url The Vanderwhite mine, historically associated with the 1924 incident, was a critical target in the rediscovery efforts. Situated outside the traditional Mount St. Helens mining district, the mine was long thought lost to time and the elements. However, the dedication and meticulous research by Marc Myrsell and his team led to its remarkable rediscovery. The mine's location, outside of the mining district, highlights the historical context of mining claims in the early 20th century. In the era of hand-staked claims, locating this mine was akin to finding a needle in a haystack. Further exploration led to more concrete findings. A significant moment occurred when Braden and Jared Mitchell, members of the research team, sent a photo to the speaker showing an obvious mine entrance, identifiable by the drill holes present. This confirmed the location of the mine, which the speaker had previously visited and estimated to be within 50 to 75 feet of their earlier explorations. In 2014, the discovery of a broken-off box saw blade next to a stump further supported their findings. This, along with other field evidence, convinced them that they had indeed located the cabin. This discovery was seen as a significant part of the history of the Pacific Northwest and was highly prevalent in historical records of the time. The team also found various artifacts at the site, including baling wire (which was identified from a 1924 photo), a spoon, nails, and the foundation of the cabin, with nails still driven into the logs. Despite the area being covered by trees and rocks and appearing just as a steep slope, they were able to uncover two walls of the cabin, as well as some cross beams, by digging down about 4 to 6 inches The rediscovery of the cabin site stands as a testament to the power of perseverance and collaborative historical research. With Marc Myrsell's extensive knowledge and assistance, the team embarked on a journey that would ultimately lead them to the long-lost cabin. This effort was not just about finding a physical structure; it was about reconnecting with a pivotal moment in local folklore and history. The discovery of the cabin site, where the miners once took refuge and faced the mysterious creatures, offers a tangible connection to the stories passed down through generations.

Merry Christmas and thank you. 🎅

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10 votes. Not much of a sampling. What little time I have for watching videos, I go with The Facts By How To Hunt. Like the no nonsense delivery and word for word reading of other folks experiences.

Where Paulides loses me is at the idea of “fallen angels”. He doesn’t define this term, and seems to rely on the reader/listener to bring their IYKYK sensibilities to the discussion. As someone raised in the Episcopal, and later on, the Presbyterian (USA) church, I am well acquainted with the concept, but he is pretty much on the fundamentalist dog-whistle track with that. But…to attach much credibility to the whole idea requires a belief in the inerrancy of scripture, especially Old Testament writings. I don’t have too much faith in the Bible being mostly more than an assemblage of allegorical oral traditions…selectively edited by those paying for the work (Looking at you, Emperor Constantine). How the whole idea of angelic transgressors is relevant to solving the problem is left unsaid. It smacks of superstition to me, and is a typically Western solution to explain anything outside of man’s rational experience. If we are relying on Jesus to explain Bigfoot to us at the Rapture, I for one find this less than satisfying. Not wanting to move the discussion too far down this path, as faith is a very sensitive topic to delve into, but do any have opinions to help illuminate what exactly Paulides feels, and Carpenter felt, and how this is at all relevant or useful?

I have read the two missing 411 books, they are creepy and mysterious, in fact entertaining reads, and your right Paulides makes the cases more mysterious than they are... watch on youtube the Missing enigma, he is a real good researcher, he travels to the places where the missing happened and he debunked a couple of Paulides cases.

I kept forgetting to come back here and vote. Going by the reasons as stated, mine would be, 1) Researcher Expedition Media (pictures, etc. 2) Researcher Discussions 3) PGF Discussions I'd say my favorite section is the 'Film, Video, Photos, Audio'. I like to see pics and videos of possible evidence. Even if not all are genuine, it's still good to see or listen to what's out there and gets posted on here.

Voted for A Flash of Beauty, their work is amazing. Bigfoot Crossroads, Bigfoot Society, Wood Walkerz for interesting witness reports and general listening, others for more specific geographical or methodical interest.

I think my two favorite channels are Sasquatch Theory and Grassman 58

I mean, that’s a place you can always investigate. I kind of take that as proof they’re real and there.

Yosemite Search and Rescue has issued a breakdown and description of all of its responses for the year 2024. Granted, they are not a law enforcement agency but at least we get a better idea of what is going on in the park and why. For the record, I do not buy any of Paulides' "Yosemite Cluster" hypothesis at all. Yosemite Search and Rescue 2024 rescue, death numbers released

That article from Seattle Magazine about the man kidnapped by a Sasquatch….happened in 1961. I think these incidents must have occurred countless times and are at least partly responsible for unsolved disappearances. I’ve wondered if Sasquatch swoops from trees and scoops up hikers and hunters etc. After a close call with a mountain lion in a tree, I was very careful to check trees for lurking cats , or bears. And that’s when I discovered rock stacks in a tree and subsequent trips I observed the rock stacks changed arrangements and also rock types. It did make me uneasy and after creepy experiences, I quit going there. And one of the reasons was the realization that Sasquatch could ****** people off the ground , even though I had never heard of it, just seeing those rock stack changes prompted me to think of Sasquatches in trees … Really fascinating account of Sasquatches using fire and living in a network of caves and what seemed to be like a Sasquatch village.

After Ostman and Ape Canyon, before PGF. A little known event in Washington. Seattle Magazine_ Our Last Monster.pdf

Here is a video chronicling our investigation into an area that we recently located using report data and terrain analysis. There is some interesting stuff happening up there and we will be going back and monitoring the lower elevation edges throughout the winter.

No. For some people they are OBSERVATIONS. The difference is huge. MIB

I am currently filming and editing some projects, I will be adding some of our catalog here for discussion in the near future.

Gigantor, thank you, especially when you helped me after I fell and was in ICU 11 nights, and 28 more in Rehab. You don't know how much you did. Norseman! Welcome to the helm! I know you will do a great, and grand job of guiding this bark through the choppy seas of Bigfootin.' Thank you for taking on the task. Regards, JHector