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I discussed retrieval with Mendrum one time. The context was bones and what would be the priority for furnishing him proof of existence. He suggested if possible to leave it in the ground. Cover and mark it then call him in. This has advantages and disadvantages depending on who owns the land where it is found. If it is federal land it is a problem. The people that found the T Rex Sue on Federal land ended up gong to prison for two years for violation of federal laws. Leaving it in place allows strata dating and context as to where the bones were found. Clean, probably least likely to get you in legal trouble, but risky in that you could loose the location and the bones to authorities. If you decide to collect the bones the skull is highest priority. Next would be hands and arm. Femur is next then feet. Document the bones in the ground and remove everything if you can. Body parts would be in the same order if you find a body and cannot bring everything out. Calling in Meldrum might be a problem if the location is not Idaho. He has standing there being associated with Idaho State University and probably knows who to talk to in dealing with authorities. Outside of Idaho he has no standing other than academic credentials. He may know who to call in Washington or Oregon and bring them in. But my opinion is that calling in someone in a University from the finding State might be a great advantage in dealing with authorities. Otherwise it is very likely when word of the finding gets out, the bones or body will be taken away from some lay person finder, who in the opinion of the state or federal authorities has no right to possess the bones or body. In the best of cases, the academics will give you finders credit. In the worst of cases, you will end up in prison for violation of antiquities or NA object or body possession. I put out feelers and have found a Washington University PHD level biologist who might be a good person if I can get him to believe what I have found. I was able to establish email contact and actually have a conversation with him. He would be my starting point for a contact in my State of Washington. It might take a photograph of a bone to interest an academic. Anyway my point is that if you are in the hunt for body or bones, you best grease the skids and have contacts in mind to call should you be successful. Finding something first without a contact could be a race with a rotting body. Smedja comes to mind when I think about these issues.

I carry a more substantial kit than most, but I'm EMR rated, so I'm a nerd on a stick when it comes to TCCC gear. TFAK/IFAK (Condor Tear Away Medic Pouch [full size 5"W x 9"L x 6"D]): 1 Swat-T tourniquet (not good for self-application) 1 Sof-T Wide tourniquet (external mount) 2 Israeli 6" compression bandages 2 North American Rescue 4" X 4 yard compressed gauze. 2 28Fr Nasopharyngeal Airways w/lube 1 North American Rescue S.P.E.A.R. decompression needle 2 Hyfin vented chest seals 1 1" roll of Gorilla tape 6 feet of 2" Gorilla tape 4 5x9 gauze pads 1 3" ACE bandage 1 3" roll of compressed Curlex 1 60 ml sterile saline wash in bullet tube. 4 pr. Nitrile gloves in light blue. 1 pr. Nitrile gloves in black. 1 pr. Trauma Shears 1 SAM splint 2 Mylar Emergency Blankets Total weight: 2 lbs. Boo Boo Kit (Condor Tear Away Individual First Aid Kit): Band Aids: 4 each in all the sizes. Triple Antibiotic ointment 1 Triangle Bandage 8 4" Gauze Pads 8 2" Gauze Pads Benadryl Imodium Tylenol Dermabond Total weight: Less than 1 lb. Truck Kit (Bag varies on anticipated conditions) Double everything above plus: 1 Pocket BVM (Bag Valve Mask) 1 Suture Kit + associated tools 1 Full set of Nasopharyngeal Airways w/lube 2 Staple Suture guns + staple remover tool 1 MDF Acoustica Stethoscope 1 BP Cuff 1 GPS Emergency Beacon It sounds like a lot, but it's less than 3 lbs on my person for the TFAK and the Boo Boo kit. Less than 12 lbs for the truck kit. I've been doing this for 30 years, so I've seen some weird injuries. We had a team member get a concussion from a hedgeapple (osage orange) falling out of a tree he was under, then another guy twisted an ankle stepping on another hedgeapple trying to get to the first guy. A couple of years later, we had a member take a tumble down a hill and impaled himself on a tree branch that had been broken off about 8 inches from the trunk. That's when I decided to get the proper training and gear to take care of most things long enough to get them advanced care. You might notice that I didn't list a hemostatic agent like Celox or Quick Clot. I just don't have any at the moment. I'm a fan of Celox Combat Gauze Rapid. Stay away from powders. If a wound requires hemostatics, powder will flow right out of the wound and do nothing. Wound packing with a hemostatic gauze is preferable and applying direct pressure, but hemostatics will leave some nasty scars. Get some basic training and be safe out there! :-)

Oh next time we go out in n the woods, let's do it up! Make a day camp, cook some food and let the bigfoots find us instead of hiking all over the forest looking for them! As long as we can keep the cougar and the bears away. Those 50 bear poop piles might deter me a bit, but what about setting up right off the road? You know where I'm thinking! We could even stay until twilight, with just enough light to get off the mountain before full dark. That would be fun! Let's do it! I'm a good camp cook and I have lots of cast iron cookware.. I got my ghost meter back from Tobe yesterday at Strangebrau, so we can play with that, too. Oh, and I recorded some Thom Powell and Ron Morehead for you to hear. Fun!

I prefer moose or even bison to elk meat, but I'm not too picky. Had these recently with dinner. Grew these pearl oyster mushrooms myself. I love learning how to do new things. Dutch oven cooking is something I would like to learn one of these days, too. And I would like to build a cedar strip canoe.

This one sounds pretty freakin eerie, and I haven’t seen it posted & talked about before on here. Anyone know more about it & what do y’all think? Cheers! Possible Bigfoot Vocalizations In Kentucky...

I see 7 BFs in your last pic.

Huntster, I've been guilty of this too, as I am sure many people have. I just wanted to let you know that there's a great book available about how and why to listen to your instincts. It's called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, if you are a reading kinda guy. I recommend it. https://www.amazon.com/Gift-Fear-Survival-Signals-Violence/dp/0440226198/ref=asc_df_0440226198/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312142103956&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=296801871825249699&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1024453&hvtargid=pla-436387740663&psc=1

Before they identified the moths I figured it was picas and other small rodents in the rocks. Joe Beelart theorizes that BF go through rock piles looking for them. Indeed Silver Star Mountain has rock pits that the forest service claims were made by Native American Tribes but the tribes themselves claim no knowledge of the pits or their use. One of my theories about BF are that larger animals like elk and deer are only caught by adult or near adult BF. Perhaps only males. If bears are the model, the males probably don't share very well. Juveniles and females may only get leftovers. So smaller animals that are not as fast as deer may be the prey of juveniles and females. Even primitive human hunters have a pecking order in which prey is shared. Females traditionally have harvested roots and plants. I would guess, and that is just a guess, that the Native American model of food gathering is very similar to BF. Here is a picture of the rock pits on Silverstar. The grave picture was buried in my field notes during that time frame. Without the picture date stamp I am not sure where to look. At that point I was not very good about backing up my pictures. I lost about a third of them when my computer was hacked. The terraces in this picture had me interested for a while. It looked like Mayan agricultural patches in the mountains. But a forum member recalled that the forest Service used heavy equipment to till the slope for replanting after the Yacolt Burn. You can see that some trees are growing in the till lines. This kind of stuff can only be seen from the air. If someone has an area of interest in SW WA that you cannot get to, give me the coordinates and I will check it out for you.

I just got home from a truly rotten camping trip. The goal was to use a metal detector to find a revolver I lost over 5 years ago. The trip grew to an extended family camping trip, with different members coming and going at will, and the Mrs. going sooner than planned, and with an attitude. Well, at least my last night there was quiet and peaceful. It started with the search for the gun. I didn't find it. I found a brown tarp covered with brown leaf litter, and covering bones. The weren't moose bones. Before I instinctively threw back the tarp completely searching for a skull, I realized tgat regardless of the species of the bones, foul play was pretty apparent with the tarp scenario. The bones looked like they could be pig, goat, sheep,..........or a smaller human. Had to call the Troopers. The Troopers called in a federal Refuge LEO, picked me up at the campground, and met the fed near the site. I led them to the find. Did they look like they were concerned about "contamination"? Not one bit. They threw back the tarp and began digging through the leaf litter with their bare hands collecting bones. They didn't care when I joined the bare hand digging and bone collecting. There was no skull, and there were thankfully too many ribs to be human. Their quick determination was that somebody had poached a Dall sheep or mountain goat (both of which are plentiful in the immediate area), took the head, and dumped the carcass for me to find in the future. They arranged the bones on the forest floor, with bare hands, took pics of the bones, and said that they'd send the wildlife enforcement guy back to the site for "further investigation". The "contamination" line is just that; a line of bs they use the contaminate a ruling they don't like. The only saving grace regarding the trip was that it wasn't human. There will be no more nightmares (I had a doozy the night before I left on the trip...........got into a fight with a freak at my Mother's front door, and in the imaginary scuffle, I fell out of bed...........never did that before), no trips to the DAs office or courtroom, etc. Imagine the big time trouble a sasquatch carcass would get ya'.........even if you just stumbled upon it.

I'm going to cut one's head off and put it on a pike. Then I'm going to clank rocks, wood knock, and woop really loudly, see what happens.

She's been found alive.

I disagree wholeheartedly. If one was brought to a slab, rubbing science's nose in it, the entire world would sit up and take notice. Having said that, I hope one never makes it there. If you don't think it would mean anything, ask a middle-30s couple if they'd go hiking in the woods with their 7-year old child knowing sasquatches DO exist in the woods. We all know the answer to that.

Fire damage? Did someone say fire damage? I had friday off work and planned to go backpacking. By the time I hit the trailhead, it was already quite hot and very buggy. Too hot for the bug jacket, too buggy not to wear it, so I punted. On the way back home I decided to fish a few places then got the idea to look for the lower end of an abandoned trail. One of my other (non-bigfoot) hobbies is retracing abandoned trails (with GPS) before they are lost to history. This is the fringe of an area shown on some maps as the "Oregon Desert". It burned in the 2017 Blanket Creek Fire which eventually wiped out over 30,000 acres. I was searching for the Dry Creek Trail, abandoned probably in the 1960s or 1970s, which had connected to the old Oregon Skyline Trail that was abandoned in favor of the then new Pacific Crest Trail in 1972. The PCT lies beyond the mountains in the background. The O-S-T began on this side and crossed over the saddle near the snow on the ridge. I found 2 boot tracks, very old, back in there. I also found one slightly larger track showing 5 toes. Both were pretty weathered. I never did find the trail. Dry Creek Trail was on my GPS and I went to the precise location where it showed, set a place mark, and came home. Turns out to be 0.2 miles from where I was able to locate the Dry Creek Trail visually from satellite maps. Don't trust your GPS too much. It will find specific locations if you have precise coordinates but the maps aren't that accurate. I can find a placemark I have set. I can't count on the accuracy of the maps to provide those precise coordinates. Anyway, yep, fire. We're getting big fires and they seem to be getting worse as things get drier each year and heavy timber weakened by drought becomes more susceptible to beetle-kill combining to make things more volatile than they've been in recorded history. MIB

Chimp arms.... I’ve seen this before.

When you're out in the woods, it pays to have a good first aid kit. I like this guys lists. Some would go in your pack, and some in a larger kit in your truck. I would also add tampons (for puncture woulnds) and full size menstrual pads (for large wounds). Cheap and designed for it. And a clotting pad or two (i think its called QuikClot)?)? https://homesteadsurvivalsite.com/first-aid-items-homesteaders/

Your posts thee days re way different than when you first arrived onto the BFF. You're maturing in the subject and it shows. Good for you. As far as the above quote goes, it's a slippery slope. When you get to the bottom you'll probablylook over and see me rummaging around the seedy underbelly of Bigfootdom. Of course I will smile and welcome you

There's a report in John Green's database where a BF was following (not really running after) two young men while waving its arms. Almost like herding or trying to intimidate them? One of the young men turned around and shot it with w 30:06 and the creature went down on one knee with an "unhh" and then left the trail by going down a slope.

A Grizzly in one day can consume about 40,000 moths. Minus what it burns collecting the fat rich moths that's about 300,000 calories a month. The article said it amounted to a third of what the bear needs.

I'm buying a new-to-me truck tomorrow from a friend. 4wd, 4-door Ford Explorer that will be big enough to sleep in while camping. I can't wait to get back into the woods. Hooray!

We used to see dead ravens here in the East about 10 years ago, killed by the bird flu. The scavengers somehow know not to eat them. I guess the survivors are immune 'cause I haven't seen a dead one in years.

I would get a hold of the bfro and turn the sucker and all it's trouble over to them.

Can't say I've seen a decimated raven either but their nests sure are a lot easier to find out here in the desert than they are back in Maine, Beautiful country Norseman! Don't know where I'm headed tomorrow but somewhere high. It's 104 degrees at 4200' I'd like to start doing some backpacking but after spending the last 25 yrs at 60' elevation, it feels as if I'm 90 when I start a relatively unladen uphill at 9000'

Like that country. That raven looks like maybe a peregrine falcon took it out. But I've never seen that happen to a raven. Usually to seagulls around here. They take on an eagle now and then with no luck. I like the fireweed and indian paintbrush.

Here is the link to the Union County, GA video, along with the discussion about it. After seeing it again I remember the mention in the video about the camera battery dying as to why the video cut off. .The figure in this GA video appears to get up and stand up, as the figure in the Fla. video also appears to do. I found it helped to slow down the video. And shiny reflections can be seen on both figures. I hope this works. If it doesn't, the video and discussion is on Page 6 of this forum, the "Film/Videos/Photos/Audio" section. https://bigfootforums.com/topic/51872-bigfoot-ghillie-or-hoax-2015/

If this Bob Garrett Kool aid? You know Wes Germer fabricates stories. He does a great job of it and that is how he maintains a pretty good at home podcasting business.

Lots of grouse here in Oregon, that's for sure, and I have a name for 'em..."Themsgoodeatin" Up in Canada we used to just hit them with the truck while driving and step out and collect up dinner. Not the smartest things in the woods, but boy, can they give you a scare when you flush 'em when you are not expecting it. But roast grouse with some good wild mushrooms and perhaps a little wine in the sauce is top notch mealtime. I'll take those over nasty fish like salmon or trout any day. Wild mushrooms are also easy to pack around as they can be dried and weigh almost nothing.

There are short cuts if you are willing to try. A hot flat rock or a bed of coals can take the place of a Dutch oven fer meat. Canned meat will keep indefinitely as well. So will smoked meats. Or pack a weapon and create yer own supply of fresh meat. Grouse are like the most quick and easy Pac NW meat source there is. Start a fire and rotisserie with green sticks. Mtn men packed a small cast iron fry pan and got by. I would not suggest buying and using aluminum cook ware to save weight. Ive done the REI style modern back packer route. Backpacker gas stove, and freeze dried pouches. Mountain house, backpacker pantry, etc. It’s ok in a pinch but I personally prefer cooking over an open fire.

Saw this on the news today (obviously very sad and you can't but feel for the poor parents). (its like a typical D. Paulides type report): https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2019/07/15/2-year-old-michigan-girl-goes-missing-from-campgrounds/ I looked up the BFRO website to see what the sightings were like for that particular county (its Oscoda County). At 10 sightings reported, its the highest county sighting for their entire Michigan data base (its listed on the second column, 3/4 of the way down). http://bfro.net/GDB/state_listing.asp?state=mi

I don't know, but I do know this: A tax won't cool the planet. Not from my perspective. They always look real dangerous and really well protected legally from hunters, which is a very hazardous combination.

Thats just like your opinion man.... - The Dude

https://blueridgecountry.com/archive/favorites/ottie-cline-powell/ Too many similarities between this and others to be readily dismissed offhand as just another "wandering child" scenario, I'd say.

Is Utah Sasquatch, Reo? I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment. I think he's got the goods. Not sure about the other popular Utah guy. Now, if you're talking about Colorado Bigfoot, he does run all around the woods claiming to see bigfoot and their structures everywhere. Classic narcissist imo, though he also does have some stuff that looks legit. Just not all of it, or even most of it. I wouldn't trust Standing as far as i could throw him. That said, i don't particularly trust Meldrum or Barackman, either, though Cliff is a very likable guy. I bet they are monitored in some way. Their names come up instantly whenever bigfooters ask 'who to send evidence to'. Keep tabs on these two, and you don't really have to monitor anyone else.

Watched it tonight, it was very interesting.

The Sierra Camp sound recordings are fantastic. Worth the price of the film itself especially considering these were made in 1974.

Feelings and emotions. While admirable, it’s just not the foundation of how human understanding of the natural world works. Physical evidence is how it works. Until Sasquatch takes its place in a museum somewhere? It doesn’t exist.

Great stuff I'm addicted to Dutch oven cooking and never go car camping without mine .

I love elk jerky. It's the best! I love mushrooms sauteed in butter with a bit of garlic and a lot of bacon. It's 100x better outdoors than inside. Add coffee and it's my favorite camping breakfast! I've also just bought the Uberleben twig stove and that's fun to cook on! Gotta keep feeding the fire, but that's easy, and fun.

It’s good stuff!

Surely mostly killed for hides in that time period, side benefit of the most amazing meat.

^^^ Thanks N. looks I misread that one! I need to read more carefully. Yes, Standing is full of ****...

And yet the Bigfoot community wants answers, right? Science deals in physical evidence. Not plaster casts, stories, photos, video, etc. If it feels too weird to shoot one? Don’t shoot one! But instead of ostracising people who can? Get involved in other ways. Reports, maps, patterns, etc. Kathy Strain is NOT going to shoot one! But she rolls up her sleeves and helps out in other ways. Which I find is commendable. As a hunter I don’t hunt Gorillas, Chimps, Orangs or even Baboons.... if someone paid fer the trip I wouldn’t go. I enjoy primates. My motivation is not fer a trophy or ego or money or fame. It’s fer recognition of the species and it’s protection. We all want the same thing. We only disagree on how to get there.

How are they the same species?

WoodWose, awesome video! You're right. Very cool. ALso, those ground slaps sound like knocking a bit. Huh. Thanks for posting!

Big pile of Bear poo!

I watched both videos from start to finish and what I came away with is that there is no new information of much value... all this for me is just opinions, taken from all kinds of contexts with a lot of unknowable things, hear say, 3rd person Heck I know a lot of grown men who could make the Nephatia (or whatever everyone says its name is) vocals or made an equally impressive interpretation of it. Thats easy stuff... but for me I never had one speak that way in English in my experience...So that vocal while creepy was always the weakest part of it all for me. I was like just uncomfortable with that for whatever reason. Then there is the whole lot of folks who believe they are speaking with them and I recall a medium (if you will) Sasquatch Psychic Kathleen Odom poked her nose in there and made some definitive statements as to communicating with Nephatia) So if the cottage owner is Nephatia then what say her (miss Odom). So what do we have here a circle of scammers and hoax collaborators... or a series of completely independent sorts of ridiculousness? I remember when this sh*t show started to come off the rails and the cottage owners saying they had a falling out but the SSq interactions were legit... At first something personal happened between the parties that we cant know by not having been there. So for me conflating the stories with the owners claims of long (generational) activity along with (even up till some time after the split) they continued to claim it was all legit... blaming like personality dynamics and projection...etc. Its to the point I cant trust anything that comes out of this story from the actual players all the way down to the referees. Its sad really. It really does come down to "I guess ya had to be there" all else is speculation... I had always maintained that TJ was indeed experiencing real things (still think he was and that he believes that he was), and that I had questions as to if his interpretations of what that was is where I always drew a line. Either being hoaxed or the thing all being real all boils down to our Creators eyes I imagine, and wait we must to see all the parts together in all their factual and hopefully review able glory. I believe everyone has a sellout price as our history is filled with characters with whom for one of a plethora of reasons might turn a story (on a contrary), or even because of money,ego,a sacred trust violation, you name it, it could be motive to want to say it was all BS... I dont think all these unknowable facts are quite discernible at this point Ill tell ya the rest just has the aroma of Heironimus cologne, and a bitter kind of obsessive stalker like quality to it.... but if there is any truth to any of it, Im not sure who comes out looking like the fools... I mean what kind of a person would walk someone into such an elaborate maze of psychology , only to make them appear crazy (or the phenomenon) in the end.... Nah Finding Bigfoot did enough for that HAHA Entertainment though. For me at the end of the day there are knowers and there are non knowers , you can be a non knower and open minded and also be closed minded, it doesnt really matter much, but when your a knower those arguments melt away from either attempting to defend or having much viable wisdom... IMHO

Yes, thanks for pointing that out. https://www.amazon.com/Missing-411-Hunted-David-Paulides/dp/B07TK1KJ9V/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=missing+411+the+hunted+movie&qid=1561804569&s=instant-video&sr=1-1

I heard it’s on amazon prime now, too.

Bill Munns has done some work on sun angle as it applies to this question. I am trying to encourage him to post it but he has his hands full at this time. The entire PGF thing seems to chase its tail with everyone selecting their own facts from dubious sources. A compromised investigation is an expensive exercise that goes on and on without ever resolving. The lack of resolution with the PGF tells me at least some of the facts to the story are either bogus or they are just plain inaccurate. Believe it or not, if the story is true the facts should line up. It has been my experience that difficult investigations are usually solved when the facts to the case reach a degree of "elegance". I have yet to see that degree of elegance with the PGF. I couldn't put my money on it one way or the other, hoax or legit.

I honestly don't know if I can bring myself to listen to this interview. Does anyone care to give a synopsis?