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https://www.exploringoverland.com/shop/vdeg4-1a The undisputed bible of backcountry travel. I have Tom Sheppard's original edition and the later 4.1, co-authored with Jonathan Hanson, I prefer the larger format of the older version but plenty of updated info in the newer.

Just my 2 cents more on BFRO's published reports. Notwithstanding any or all of the problems the published BFRO reports may have, they are far and away the most comprehensive, detailed, and useful reports. I'm doing my own database for the northeast US (and that part of Canada next to us). To get data, I read reports (1600+ so far) from BFRO, this forum, the original (old guard Excel) JG database, Bobbi Short's (RIP) Bigfoot encounters, books, and numerous bigfoot "research" websites, some with their own tv shows, etc., etc., etc. I note this simply to point out that I've had t

Spent the day hiking out in Wyoming county, WV following up on a auditory report. Wet day but beautiful area.

Definitely getting closer. For me, there's no need to discover something I'm convinced already exists. My goal is see one unequivocally. A full-on encounter, face-to-face. To better answer your question, I've found an increase in trees coming down last year. As a lifelong hiker and backpacker, I've never once heard a tree come down in my life while enjoying those activities. I've also found tracks in hard-to-find places including a 17" footprint left in water-logged mud. I'm eager to get out in early Spring and press deeper into my areas. Myself and a buddy missed a

I'd advise quitting while you're behind.

I have mixed feelings about the BFRO. It's not for me, but (as I have to occasionally remind myself) that doesn't mean that it doesn't provide a service to others. A few posters that I respect here on the BFF have had positive things to say about the BFRO, so it does bring value to the field and offers a service to those who might not get out into the woods otherwise. If they are misrepresenting their investigation efforts, then that's pretty shady...but, at the same time, I am not taking the time and expense to put up a publicly available database like they are...so,

Headed up N to check out the latest local Class B: https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=67335 Bushwhacked the woods behind the incident area for a few hours looking for any possible track sign in crusty snow. Not quite thick as grass but anything sizeable isn't getting through quietly... Out to the brook which I followed the frozen edge of for a while, passing beaver lodges, black huckleberry, labrador tea, rhodora and alder. Patches of open water in places. Not too fond of ice over moving water: Headed back into the woods up stream a ways--but not be

This subject is a joke...to whom? Perhaps to those in your world but not mine. People I speak with find it fascinating and while not everyone is willing to accept it is real they are almost, to a person, open minded about it and willing to hear the reasons why I am convinced. I take exception to your characterization of MM. If you disagree with his methods, or think BFRO should handle things differently, what is stopping you from putting up your money and sallying forth your efforts to start an organization that will do the things you think ring true? Become the new BFRO and acc

Because he is constantly aggressive to people who are skeptical, whether you want to accept it or not the general public thinks this is all a joke. No amount of convincing will sway them otherwise, not without a body. Right now, he is labelled and seen as a crook, liar and a lunatic. You could argue, who cares what people think? Well, it actually matters a lot, if the species were proven to be real the effects on the environment would be unimaginable. Land would be protected, wildlife habitats and old growth forests would be protected, there would be a major push to protect most of our wildlif

Joe Beelart here from near Portland, Oregon. Wow. This discussion is still sliding down hill like a landslide. So, I decided to shovel a load of rock on it. BFRO Expeditions: As a speaking guest, I've been on a number of BFRO expeditions in the Gifford Pinchot and Mt. Hood National Forests, and in the Oregon Coast Range. {I can easily think of 7 BFRO expeditions, but I know there were more.} I have seen several return guests from the mid-west and east coast who I now consider friends. So, they must think they get their money's worth. {Think travel expenses

I've lived in Iowa and I absolutely despised it. I went deer hunting a couple of times. Once, at a state park that was literally 100 acres with 20 other hunters showing up to try and get a herd of about 8 deer. It was pathetic and dangerous. The other time was on a private church camp of about 500 acres. I could see houses the whole time I was there. If you can walk in literally any direction and hit a paved road within ten miles, you are not in the woods. Where I go a lot for berry picking and exploring, you can literally head East and not hit a paved road for nea

Here is the original news link, but you may want to watch the video before spending time on it. https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/326085/Kelowna-man-claims-to-have-found-large-footprint-on-his-property This print is not as big as stated (plus it comes from cover of a book) https://www.amazon.com/Big-Brother-Bigfoot-Connor-Flynn/dp/B08QRKVGPK/ And here is Bigfoot Okanagan with the follow up investigation.

Contrary to the "folk" lore about whistling my grandmas (shawnee and lenape) always taught me to whistle when I'm going in the forest to let "the spirits" know I was coming in so I wouldn't suprise them. To this day when I'm out hiking I'll stop occassionally and let out a two toned whistle. in the area im most active ive actually had the whistle I make made at me as I got into a cove. I wish I had a recorder with me when I went out that day but it was before I got my H5.

I never knew John actually operated as a investigator for the state. And then after a hair sample was threatened to be fired. I had heard his original story in the tent.

Its your point that Southern cousins can reproduce at faster rates than northern cousins. Which by the way is completely wrong in the genus Homo. And looks to be wrong in canids and felines as well. So I have given you examples of Dingos vs Wolves which are closely related and South American cougars and North American cougars which are the same species. They have the same reproductive rates! What does Paleo dogs have to do with modern dogs? The domestication of the Wolf could have happened many times in many places. The family of paleo dogs that helped humans out hunt t

I truly don't know, but i find it strange for sure. I ended up doing that as i was talking to Shane Corson a few weeks back about some recent rock throwing reports out in WA (western of course) and just thought i'd take a look in to what if any, was the public info on other non human primates and found that West African study. What got my interest was the fact that they were showing and pushing the 'cultural behavior' line as i felt it would always be possible to find that within our subject, hence the focus on Washington and that was that. But i didn't stop

NorthWind, it's a mushroom! Here's the one I was photographing at the same time, 20 feet down the trail, lol! Great minds think alike and all that. I had fun yesterday!

@wiiawiwb This is not a counter-point to your argument about rarity of tree falls during hiking and backpacking. I also rarely experience tree falls while hiking or backpacking, but I have heard them while camping in highly diseased areas in the Sierra Nevada of California and more recently in WA. In August of 2019, I was camping in WA Cascades (5 nights) and heard a big tree fall on 3 nights! I don't know the WA Cascades that well, but that area probably has diseased trees too. The trees fell either late at night (~10-11 PM) or early in the morning (~4-5 AM) an

I’m definitely feeling closer to getting out there more!

Determined little miscreant, aren't you. E for Effort.

You said what I wanted to say... upvote for you! I know of a few BFRO guys that did this. Nobody knows about them... https://www.lowlandsbigfoot.org/

Yeah, but it's a correspondence college. I'll pm you the email address for your tuition payments. Bitcoin only. Once the payment clears we'll be back in touch with you.

You started this line of thought of him doing more harm then good. Is it because he doesn’t spearhead an expedition. Or because of his personality/ aggressive behavior? Where is your backing / information that ppl think him a lunatic etc? Sounds more like your opinion being projected as public opinion.

Can you show me a peer reviewed article that states the downfall of Neanderthals was based on their reproductive systems? Namely adult females only go into heat once a year?

It’s his money to do how he chooses, he’s not obligated to spend it on spearheading a true expedition just because that’s what you want or would do. The BFRO provides a large free database of sightings. How does his free database do harm?

The problem is, the people spearheading research, the people with the money like, ahem...Moneymaker, are uninterested in proving the species but moreso expanding his business. This does more damage to the cause than good. Instead, he could be using that money to spearhead a true expedition, a real investigation that turns up actual results. Funding is a major obstacle in this field and he is sitting on a perfect opportunity.

I'm sure you say that in jest. 10 miles in either direction means at least 40 sq miles which is over 25,000 acres. So you're not in the woods unless you in more than 25,000 acres? There is always a bigger dog in the fight. By comparison, the unhabited forests of Alaska would make the sasquatch-dream states of Oregon or Washington State look like Central Park in NYC. I'll take those two "urban" states any day.

Hah, me skeptical of the subject, I have many recordings of gibberish, animalistic verbalization mashups and a 5 ft upclose nocturnal sighting with multiples (and about six years of intensive research in one area to go with it). Should have used my sardonic/ironic emoticon obviously. And yes I own the Sierra Sounds CD's have listened to Ron Morehead at conferences and have followed Scott Nelson since inception. I have recorded the same whistle as was picked up 100 miles east of me in NC so I have triangulated some of my research and correlated it regionally too.

I'd say lack of effort, if I have to guess, or maybe a lack of technical skills. Maybe they didn't know HOW to add a picture.. I read Carter's book. I enjoyed it, except now I've already forgotten most of what was in it. It's an easy read. They did not use any pictures from my report, but that's ok by me. I did my own follow up on the forum. We took a bunch of pictures when we were trying to get the height figured out. TK Bell is the investigator (pray for her - she's going through something horrific this week) She recorded the interview for mine and sev

This video is mostly about Matt Moneymaker and the BFRO, and how they are vetting reports. I also posted it on the thread for this specific report. Very long story short, the tracks were made by a moose. He goes back and forth with Moneymaker a little bit before visiting the site and meeting the witnesses. If you want to see an interesting take on BFRO practices from another BF organization, then take the time to watch the video. As one who reads almost all new reports, I have seen a trend in the last year. Recent reports are coming in and being published with

We could say that about ANY evidence of Bigfoot. But I challenge you to find me a Bigfoot suit that looks this bad..... Freeman’s “fat man in a suit” isn’t nearly that bad. Maybe Rick Dyer’s “Hank” is that bad....maybe. Actually looking at them side by side? No it isn’t.

Found this by chance on a page I was reading: http://www.bigfootproject.org/articles/bf_symp_2003_report.html. This is gold! If there is a Bigfoot Hall of Fame, then I'm making the call - Daniel Perez is IN. A Q&A session followed. The inimitable Daniel Perez rose to pose a tough question to Bob Gimlin: Perez: "Did you and Patterson stop to shower on the way from Bluff Creek to drop the film for shipment?" Gimlin: "Danny...I can’t remember." [drops mic]

I think it's just MM. Guys like Carter Buschart are publishing a lot of vetted reports. SOME of those reports that Matt is throwing out there, seem to be happening because they are fresh. Some have been only a day or two old. I think that was the problem with the Moose Report. He got excited and jumped the shark. In some reports, he also mentions that the witness info is on file, likely hoping for follow up from other investigators. NOW- I am frustrated by a few reports that mention they have pictures of tracks, and then don't share them... That is NOT MM, but I don't recall specif

Rick Reles is one of the SC expedition leaders. He is among the best you will find at BFRO. He would know areas because of reports, but I don't believe he would go into someone else's area without cooperation and consent. If you ever get on any expeditions with Rick, make sure you take the opportunity to go on a night op with him. He has a good success rate, and it's my opinion that it's because he listened to what my Omaha Nation friends had to say, and took it to heart. Plus, he's just a good guy. BFRO (the organization) is filled with wonderful people, who (like all of us) are

yeah, but there's a difference between individuals who make mistakes or errors in judgement, and regularly, as part of the normal operating procedure, declaring hings to be a facts without any evidence, and a big difference when they regularly double down on it after having their opinion challenged time and time again. As the guy in the video says, he's interested in the systematic failure that leads to conclusions like this. This isn't a kid who overthrew the basketball hoop and took out your garage window, this is the dad coming home from work and driving right through the garage door day af

Or mistakes are made. I'm confident I can't name a single organization I know whose employees/members have never made a mistake or error in judgment?

Saw this last night, the guy does a good job with this, and one thing it exemplifies is the major flaw with the BFRO is Matt Moneymaker. He is no closer to solving anything than anyone else, and this back and forth between this guy and MM shows this. MM makes declarations as fact and has never even been to the place. It more than calls much if not all of their information into question. At one point in the back and forth, MM claims he's "improving the data", massaging it maybe, to support the MM narrative? That's long been my suspicion, the BFRO is too big for it's own good when all things com

A friend was visiting earlier this month and showed me his drone, a Mavic 2. It has collision avoidance, can fly home and lands itself. There is a camera view screen on the controller. It was impressive the way it zipped around in the air, very quick and agile.

I think Standing is a hoaxer is why. While Justin is a honest man. That’s why you see the discrepancy in evidence. I would rather watch an honest man in the woods, than “exciting” dramatized hooey. After the muppet heads? Standing cannot be trusted in my book.

His experience in the woods is similar to mine. Sometimes I find suggestive evidence. But no smoking gun. What I do find interesting in MBM case? Is he is operating in the same area as Standing.... So the obvious question is? Why is Standing getting all the action when he steps one foot into the woods?

Such are the perils of gratuitous self-promotion without any previous forum participation in months.

The best part is that he spammed with a dead link and you had to come in with the assist. So, technically that makes you a co-spammer. I kid.

There is so much to address in this post... Let's focus on this: you are saying that Neanderthal women only ovulated once a year, because other species in the same geographic area only went into heat once a year? All of these reasons that you posted would help ensure that more homo sapien children survived and grew into adulthood.

If he can make a good living from his intellect and business acumen rather than through his brawn, more power to him!

And any database that is kept current is a huge manpower drain. If I'm lucky, I can add a complete and accurate report to my northeast US database in a half-hour or so. Throw in the problems Norse & VAFooter noted with inaccurate reports, and it can take 3 hours to 3 days, sleuthing through old maps, old internet entries, etc. to try to find a more accurate location, more accurate date, etc. While it may be far from perfect, the BFRO database is a good free database. Premium members can access the SSR here. Hiflier has made John Green's (RIP) old database available as well.

Nothing is hidden. It's just how the BFRO chooses to run their operations. It's a loosely governed private citizen thing with no authority, knowledge or anything relevant to anything. It started as any other crackpot idea but Matt moneymaker got lucky when a millionaire with nothing else to do with his time got involved. Otherwise, it would likely not even be in public view and Matt would not be able to afford dying his hair blonde pretending he is an LA celebrity.

Apparently, yes. Alberta Sasquatch Organization https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=636746150179354&_rdr

He is on the edge of some of the greatest wild places still left on Earth. I had a step grandpa that lived with my grandma in Gold Bar, Wa. He was from Bella Coola, BC. And I’ve hunted SE Alaska. And been on the Cassiar Hwy. I don’t think most people comprehend it’s vastness.

More analysis can, and will, be done on the film subject, Moonface. Here is but one little tidbit...indicating the subject was a real creature. Note the degree of taper on Patty's thigh....from very wide, at the top....to narrow, at the the knee-joint. Notice also the lesser amount of tapering on the (laughable) costume leg. Bigfoot suits tend to have "stovepipe" legs....and a general lack of dynamic, tight 'body contour'. OTOH...Patty has dynamic 'body contour'....from her sloping head, down to her muscular legs. Eventual

What other middle ground option would there be? There was no CGI back then. It's certainly not a lens flare nor a misidentified known animal.