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I respectfully offer that if you knew how to conduct your own investigation into the film's subject you may think differently? My own efforts in that have determined that Patty couldn't be a person in a suit. I had a thread here that discusses Patty's shoulder width and how I was able to determine it's ratio to her height. The outcome of that when taken in context with the rest of the creature's actions speaks for itself. The only ones who dispute the fill are, and will continue to be, the ones who either do not do the work themselves or will not accept the work already done by others if they even know about what's already been determined. This isn't a slam on you, starchunk, it's only a reminder that at face value only the film will always be called into question. It's only after seeing what other researchers have done on the film that any arrivals at the truth can be made.

There is little likelihood that BF populations in the Appalachians and PWN have intersected since the European settlers surged Westward. They probably did not before that either because of the distances involved and isolation by the great American plains. In other words there are now pockets of diverse populations of BF that have several and perhaps hundreds of generations of genetic isolation. One can expect increasing genetic diversity and differences in appearance between distantly isolated groups. Perhaps the ones in Florida were isolated first because of the flow of settlement in the East Coast? The last to be isolated would be the ones in the PNW since that is were European settlement happened last. Just that might explain why those in the PNW may be more genetically healthy because interchange of individuals could still be conducted between various BF tribes. Genetic health would promote less genetic deviation and differences in appearance.

Tried a different sort of area last time out, just outside of a small town and beyond the farming belt around it. Camped above a nicely flowing stream, the green patch upper right is a farm field. Had a tolerable view while sipping on an Old Rasputin, watching a 4 point muley buck very warily make its way through the brush below and waiting for darkness to head down canyon to a nice petroglyph panel to offer a bit of tobacco and mojo to the Ancients in exchange for the view. Last time we were here we did the same nighttime hike down and when the wind shifted, there came with it a strong musky animal smell that even i picked up and i can't smell a thing out in this dry climate, uneventful this time, just a nice hike under a gibbous moon til it was obscured by clouds. Camped out on cots till the thunderstorm arrived at 3am, lightening illuminating the valley and distant mountains. i scrambled to get the tent set up and cots stashed, made it in with about 3 minutes to spare before the wall of wind and rain hit. It didn't last long, things quieted down to where we could hear 3 different packs of coyotes howling and yiping to one another along with a pair of great horned owls calling. That activity kept up intermittently til dawn. This area has had the most animal activity we've seen. I've scrambled around the state looking for the spot to dedicate a focused search, a lot of possibilities just need to take a block of time. Bi-pedal Bighorn:

This is a really good point, and one I'd not considered in full. I just thought it seemed strange for an animal that is described as extremely elusive and possibly reclusive to approach an obvious human camp and make itself known, seems counter intuitive if the animal doesn't want to be found yet I can see how that is a way of sending a message without revealing itself and still remaining at least partially hidden. My initial line of thinking was that if the creature has a large habitat area and moves around a lot anyway which I think most would be agreed on they would just move to some other location within that large area without the humans even knowing. I guess if they have a water source though they may be very protective of that at certain times when other sources are hard to find maybe.

Most hunters are out hunting game animals to put in a freezer. They have bought a license and a tag. The last thing on their minds is shooting something humanoid. Great apes throw things. We know this. I’m not sure the correlation between throwing things and being not rare though. Throwing things to make people leave is a great strategy for staying hidden. Think of a sniper taking a spoiler shot like in old westerns. Nothing says “go away” more. It’s the Grizzly Bear tactic of bluff charges and in close and personal that can get you extinct quick. If the human feels trapped and cornered and they have a gun? Your in for a really bad day. Rocks flying out of thin air and maybe some scary noises makes the human simply want to leave. But lets be real. I think many reports are either fabricated or misidentified animals. Doing my work up on caloric intake is a eye opener. Large omnivore like Grizzlies need hundreds if not thousands of square miles to survive. Bigfoot is not living on a 20 acre woodlot outside Chicago.... Not many of us are willing to shoot one. And I’ve been called every name in the book too for wanting to. Project Grendel was never anymore than 6-8 guys spread thin across the North American continent. We just shared ideas and notes. The GCBRO is another large outfit down south. They have their own TV show. Its a part time affair. Absolutely. I’m not aware of a professional dedicated team being bankrolled somewhere. The most popular scenario with PG was to set up a camping trip with sniper over watch. Sasquatch seems to be curious of human activity. Spies on the camp and a sniper up in a tree takes the shot. My only issue with the scenario is I have got a lot of time sleeping in the woods. I have nothing strange to report. No rock throwing or strange noises coming from the timber. I say we appeal to its stomach. I don’t know how to pick a fight with a Sasquatch or what his mate swoons him with. But a fawn in distress is a call every predator understands completely. There are basically three types of hunting calls. Each call is appealing to a certain behavior. Prey Sex Sparring Bigfoot may be too smart for this. Or he smells us or hears something he doesn’t like. Or maybe he is a like a bobcat. He comes in slower, takes longer, let’s the Bears take the bait first and observes what happens. When calling Bobcats you have to let Coyotes come and go. And you may let 3 coyotes go and never see a Bobcat. You have to have painstaking patience with cats unless you have hounds. The other obvious choice is to cut his tracks in snow. That’s my only experience with something out of the norm. But I was too young to act on it and my father wanted nothing to do with it. Which I understand. I wouldn’t risk my young son either. But with tracks to follow on a snowmobile? Or tracked ATV? Barring a snow storm you would be set. My MO anymore is just to enjoy my activities outdoors but have the capability to do something proactive IF an encounter happens. A big game rifle or large caliber handgun, a light, a sharp cutting tool and a game bag or tarp. It should be in everyone’s pickup or SUV if they take this thing seriously. You don’t have to be vocal about it like I am. Shoot, take what you can feesably carry and get out. Go get help.

Steve Streurfert provided me with a link to a podcast interviewing the man who owns the film and talks about it. https://www.spreaker.com/user/forkermedia/supernrml-special-edition-with-john-john One thing to consider is he described the edge latent image markings, and felt such markings indicated he likely had the original. However, I have the exact same markings on one of my copies, as shown here. On the top row, you can see how bold and obvious the original Kodachrome film type and related edge markings are. But then go to the second row, along the bottom, and see how subtle the markings are for a copy. It would be easy for someone to see only the bold obvious Kodachrome markings and miss the copy markings. So the man most likely just has a copy, like mine. Added: He also said the date code symbols repeat every 10 years, but the Kodak chart states quite clearly that the codes repeat every 20 years. So while the man may be of good intention, his facts are not quite on the mark.

The PGF is the only film I know where we KNOW where it was shot. Know there was a collaborative trackway associated with the film subject. And was documented well by follow on investigations. Including John Greens McClarin film. Its about as good as it gets. No other film or trackway or audio carries as much weight as the PGF. It stands on four or more legs instead of one. But its still a film and we need a body. With each passing year my hope wanes. I drive 1000’s of miles each year on NF roads. And Ive always got a gun. This is what Grover Krantz suggested to do. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Not all hunters are incompetent, but I would venture to guess that most are, and the percentage of incompetent hunters has increased with social urbanization. Moreover, hunters aren't hunting for sasquatches, and they are fairly well versed with hunting laws and regs, which literally didn't exist a century ago. While hunters seem quite able to kill bears and moose in Alaska, you might be surprised to learn that the overall success rate in Alaska for moose is @ 20%, and that is for nearly 100,000 hunters hunting 200,000 moose, the success rate in most game management units is much lower (under 10% is common), and the success rate for bears (especially brown or grizzly bears) is significantly lower than that. I believe they are extremely rare. For example, there are only an estimated 45,000 brown/grizzly bears in all of North America, Canada and Alaska included. Of these, 75% of them are in Alaska, and of the Alaskan bears, the vast majority are concentrated in Game Management Units 3, 4, 5, 8, and 9. If there are only an estimated 5,000 sasquatches on the continent, that's less than 10% of the grizzly population, and also extremely localized in remote habitat featuring great cover and concealment. Conversely, there are human habitations and structures literally everywhere, including in the middle of classified wilderness lands and parks. Many are often uninhabited, which encourages wild animals of all kinds to become emboldened to hang out in the area only to bevome invaded when the humans show up. This is a common theme with all kinds of animals. No doubt about it. As an example, I'm an experienced, accomplished, and frequent Alaskan big game hunter, I'm a strong believer in the existence of sasquatches, and not only do I not hunt for them, I have come to the reasoned conclusion that the only way I would shoot one is in self defense. Of all the people on this forum, there are just a few who regularly state that they are pro kill and they regularly go out looking for sasquatches. I believe so, especially in the 1970's. Has NAWAC professed a pro kill position and mounted hunting expeditions to that end? Probably, along with a lack of experience, know how, time, access, and sasquatches to shoot. Good question. Everybody on this forum who is pro kill has proposed a number of scenarios. I'm confident that quite a few factors are important: * Fresh reports in the area would be ideal * A history of sightings in that area are important * Funding, which isn't cheap; even a relatively local week long caribou hunt for me will cost a few hundred dollars just in fuel, communications subscriptions, spare parts, etc. That doesn't include food (I eat anyway at home) or license and tag (a sasquatch hunt might require some sort of license and tag, however, to legally justify the carry of firearms in the woods, depending on the politics of the area, but in Alaska, I already have a lifetime license), and I'm already all geared up * The proper tactic is critical; baiting? Calling? Spot and stalk? Stalking upwind along a noisy creek like Patterson & Gimlin? * Spending plenty of time on location........like weeks * Complete access to the area, both legally and tactically * A good plan for carcass preservation and extraction, including out of the woods as well as to a final destination, which would include a plan for interstate/international smuggling, all of which is illegal on the federal/international level (CITES) * A good legal defense plan and funding in the possible event of criminal prosecution

Muscle mass may be only part of the answer: "Our surplus motor neurons allow us to engage smaller portions of our muscles at any given time. We can engage just a few muscle fibers for delicate tasks like threading a needle, and progressively more for tasks that require more force. Conversely, since chimps have fewer motor neurons, each neuron triggers a higher number of muscle fibers. So using a muscle becomes more of an all-or-nothing proposition for chimps. As a result, chimps often end up using more muscle than they need. " This also may explain their lack of tools beyond sticks and stones.

1 - Your opinion is based on nothing but assumptions. Derek owns his own business and has been booked for months in advance ( over a year ) out on work and has not had much opportunity to sit down and get the entire group together to discuss the results. Shane has been spearheading current efforts also in an effort to locate new nest sites to try and find fresh samples for testing. I will respond to hiflier separately as I have time, I am also starting work as I have moved and what time I do get it is out in the woods locally researching ( we all have day jobs ) reports. 2 - Yes, Derek and Shane spoke at one event this spring and Shane spoke at the other in OR just last month ( I was there holding the booth ), both of these should be on youtube. 3 - That is also nothing more than an opinion based on no substance. I am a member of the Olympic Project. Free time has been short for leadership in the OP and what time has been spared has gone back into field operation/expeds. I understand the frustration some have about this effort as it has been quiet for a long time now but things are still going on.

Just got back from seven day Alaska cruise with my wife. I haven't been very active the past few years due to health issues. Doing better now dropped 50 lbs getting out walking and plan to get out there and do more time in the forests. We saw dozens of hump back whales some Orcas, porpoises, sea otters, seals but no bears. Lots of salmon in Sitka AK.

I do believe we are looking at individual variation and maybe differing genus like trout populations in the east and west for instance based on possibly regional influences/barriers, but many of these guys may be trim like the most athletic NFL linebackers; I suspect you could call many of them massive. The way sasquatch have been viewed hauling away white-tails, razorbacks and elk I would say they have muscle mass above and beyond for sure in many cases. I was more talking height here than anything. My night-time education involved a 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 footer and I did not get the impression it was a juvenile sent on a counting coup adventure to directly approach me. It was not alone that night though and two others may have been on a counting coup mission. Aging in sasquatch is a little too far out there for me and others to probably speak to however. Based on some TN sightings they do suffer from bone infections or strokes, probably dental problems just like humans. I'm primarily in the southern appalachians now and have given thought as to how a wide body, tall sasquatch fits nicely in the North Cascades but maybe not so much in the Blue Ridge, having spent some time on both coasts now.

If it evolved in North America rather than traveling here more or less in the form we know it, it's not an ape, it's a monkey. There are examples in zoology of similar-ish creatures filling similar niches that come from different roots ... essentially if a niche is open, something will evolve to fill it. An example is the mara or patagonian hare which is a rodent whose ancestors adapted to fill the niche since there are no true hares there as would be found in similar niches in Europe. There are a couple things seemingly wrong with the true monkey idea. First, no true monkeys that we know of have grown anywhere that large, second, none are bipedal, third, there's not a single hint in the fossil record from North America for either current or previous species of that size. For it to be correct we'd have to be breaking new ground in several areas at once ... seems less probable than an immigrant from Asia (or even Europe). Everything seems to point towards something from genus Homo sharing a close common ancestor with us, the question is ... what, which ancestor, and how far back? H. erectus is a serious possibility but far from the only one we should consider. IMHO, we should not take any cards off the table. None. We simply don't have enough information to support doing so, all we have are belief systems. Filtering what you will look at because if you find it, it won't fit your belief system, is about the surest way I can think of to be wrong. It's dogma, no more, no less. MIB

I’m not so sure Bigfoot is concerned about it’s hairdo. But maybe Indians copied the Bigfoot “look”?

Spent two days on the black river catching Apache trout. Apache Sitgreaves NF. Bighorn came off ridge and grazed right through camp this morn. Currently in Alpine Az, staying at RV park, getting showers and ice and catching up on emails and texts. Update on Smittybuilt RTT. I love the ease and simplicity of taking it down and putting it up. Stayed dry in pouring rain and hail. Don’t worry about lumpy ground or tree roots like with traditional tents. My only complaint is the platform is made out of some white material that bows a bit. We tried to keep sleeping bags in tent when it folded up. The hinge didn’t like that. And will try to pop out of its track. Would prefer if the deck was more rigid and deeper so the bedding could stay in the tent, dry and ready for bed time. It’s well worth 1200 bucks I think. A cabelas alaknak costs similar. And is just fabric and a pole set.It also doesn’t come with a rain fly and you would get wet in bad weather. My son likes the light bar and charging station that came with it. Hang a IPad off the ridge pole and we are watching westerns when the sun goes down and charging phones. These look like rainbow to me. They stock the river every friday.

Even though I'm by nature a skeptic I would like to believe Bigfoot to be real. I've read and seen the breakdowns of the PGF and to be totally honest I just can't explain the film away as so many skeptics appear to be able to do. The animal looks real to me, acts realistically to me and Bill Munn's book is very persuasive too. However, I have a problem with some other evidence put forward, most notably the anecdotal - if the creature is really in peoples back yards and throwing rocks at cabins and we don't have good pictures or video or a body then that doesn't tally to me, it makes the alleged sightings less convincing. If there really is an 8ft tall 600lbs ape in the woods who makes itself known apparently quite frequently, acts aggressively by throwing rocks, communicates with people by gifting etc. I can't fathom how one hasn't been felled by now. So my question is - assuming in this instance that the animal is extant - what are the reasons behind the absence of a bigfoot corpse? Are all the 'hunters' incompetent? They seem to be quite able to kill bears, moose and so on almost as a matter of course. Are the animals so rare as to be practically impossible to find? If so, what about the reports of them throwing rocks at cabins, being spotted near housing etc.which seem to contradict this? Are there simply too few people attempting to bag a body? Have there been any other larger scale attempts other than the NAWAC one? Are the efforts all part time by amateurs that fall short for lack of resources? Ultimately, what is the best scenario to try and take a body?

Im not advocating that the government goes around cleaning up dead bodies.... But ask yourself this. If the 411 books truly show a problem in our national parks and forests? And that came out? Tourism would go to zero. And all of the families of the missing and dead? Would file lawsuits. The government warns you about everything. Cliffs, Bears, trails, roads, cougars, etc. But they failed to warn you about a potentially violent 800 lbs ape man running amok in their forest? I’d say there is plenty of reason for them to care.

Got hooked on dinosaurs as a kid. They were awesome! That led in due course to reading about anthropology. We had a set of 1939 Colliers Encyclopedia. There was a page that showed reconstructions of the Neanderthal man, the Cro-Magnon man, and ... the Piltdown man ... in the early 50's, the Piltdown man turned out to be a hoax. Somehow, that made it all more interesting to me. As for Bigfoot, I had to wait for the PGF; I was instantly hooked. ... I have never doubted that Patty was real.

He didn't seem to be as well informed as I thought he would be on the Sasquatch subject. He also thinks Patty an th PGF is a hoax which tells me he hasn't done very much research on that aspect. Ah well.......

Ticks are common here, especially in tall grass and bushes. I am a bit paranoid about them. My father picked one up 10-15 years back in Curry County (SW corner of Oregon for those not familiar with the state) and was diagnosed with Lyme disease not long after. He still has residual arthritic symptoms but didn't get it real real bad. Not to be messed with. My GF has a hay field and some acres of wooded grassland. I've gotten a couple working around her place. Our spring theme song is "ticks" by Brad Paisley. The coast range has some mosquitoes in pockets but generally not bad. The Cascades in my area ... Crater Lake and south ... are a mosquito-infested nightmare during the month or so following snow melt-off when the little b*st*rds are hatching in the mud at the end of melting drifts and in the remaining tarns and small marshes. I truly don't know how the PCT thru-hikers survive but I think I know why they hike so fast. There have been a few cases of mosquito-borne disease transmission here, not like the tropics, but non-zero. I generally wear a flannel shirt treated with permethrin, a bug bucket, mesh mittens, and a mesh jacket with a hood pulled up over the bug bucket to keep them away from my ears when I hike the Cascades from roughly early June to mid August depending on the year. MIB

This type of shielding fashion pops up from time to time. I was curious so I bought an official HECS head covering. Bench tested it and threw it away. I can do better with a $5 aluminized mylar poncho. Here is a test for you on this upcoming outing. Drop a lot of money on HECS suits.....nothing with the color green. Buy $5 survival ponchos. Compare HECS group to the cheaper group. Remember to ground yourselves with a heel strap ground. I want to know how this stuff works in a lightning storm. If you want to go the HECS route, a head net will cover an audio recorder / trail cam with material to spare. Ground the fabric. Head covering is about $20. An audio recorder is easier to shield than a trail cam with flash. Both have switching regulated power supplies. They will have variable AC and DC magnetic fields. Ultrasonic noise will be present, more from the trail cam and the emissions are not symmetrical. HECS can do a little shielding on EMF but not ultrasonics. An interesting note on EMF emissions is the low amount that humans emit amongst other human emissions. There are researchers in Europe building detectors to locate living humans buried by avalanches. Their research is promising. Non hunting fashion material is available. "Ex-static conductive fabric" is about $5 per lineal foot in a 64" wide bolt so you can make your own coverings. Polyester fabric with a carbon thread pattern. Be aware that this type of material is sensitive to washing.............maybe 50 low temperature washings. All shielding materials are sensitive to water. Don't forget grounding means. Trouble shooting with a debit card is a bad idea. Further reading: https://lessemf.com/index.html https://lessemf.com/fabric1.html#1209 That little bear in my profile image walked up to me, sniffed, and walked away. I was wearing jeans and a tee shirt..........cotton, the fabric of life. What the hec.

^^^ In my opinion these Hollywood creations all have the same basic look to them. In other words, they look like they were made in Hollywood. Are they meant to look realistic? To actually fool anyone? To be kid friendly? It is important to consider the intent of the creator. What are they attempting to convey? Patty looks nothing like these slick L.A. movie industry offerings.

If and when a body or bones with viable DNA are sequenced I suspect we will find that it has been sequenced before. I think the glitch happens when it mostly looks human, but parts do not. So the assumption is made that it is contaminated or fragmented human. I do not think a DNA lab will ever make the leap until they have a big chunk of BF flesh to test and verify that they can repeat the test with the same results. But what it is will not be evident, only that the chunk of meat has a lot of similarities to human, chimpanzee, and bonobo. It could be that if it is very close to human, a lab might even call in law enforcement. The skeleton or body has to be examined to define the morphology of the species. That is the tall order but in this case necessary to prove existence. DNA alone will not work.

I can mostly agree, if you get really fresh blood or a good deal of hair with follicles then you could get a full genome. A tall order it seems.

the curious thing about the ANE film company and Eric Beckjord is that there isn't any known connection. ANE went bankrupt in 1974, and Beckjord was active in the PGF research field from around 1978 or so. And the EB estate has no connection with the ANE company, and Eric's known copies (I've scanned three of his) are not connected to the ANE copy family in any way. So I would assume the earlier reports of some connection of the EB estate to this new found copy are an assumption that was inaccurate. But as long as the film's owner doesn't communicate with the research community, the second hand and third hand news does get modified by incorrect assumptions inevitably added by the extra hands.

Just an update: I have had several exchanges of emails with the original poster, and he did clarify some things as much as he knew about the film owner and efforts to get it analyzed. He apparently made an assumption I was involved with the analysis, but it was a flawed assumption. I have still not had any direct contact with whomever owns the film in question. The most likely determination is that the film in question is simply a print copy of the ANE documentary, exactly the same as my Copy 14 in my inventory. So it would be equal to Copy 14, which is a good and useful copy, but nothing spectacular. I have no idea who might be doing an analysis for the owner (the number of qualified people in the world to do this properly, you can count on one hand and have a few fingers left over), and don't have much confidence this unknown analyst can do a truly comprehensive appraisal of the film, but the owner is well within his rights to select whomever he wants to do it. But the prospects of this find being something remarkable in the PGF research world are getting less by the day.

The phrasing here suggests you've thought about the "why". I may be mistaken, of course. Do you think this is because of wide variation withiin one species or because there are more than one species, maybe existing cooperatively? Or something else ... ? MIB

I agree nearly entirely with your posting, and regret I'm out of plusses for the day. However, the warming that doomed the mammoths was entirely natural, and that I doubt any current warming trend due to "our friends on the right," but again due to natural causes shouldn't shade my consensus with your posting.

Hominins have always been an adventurous race. What drove us to brave the deserts of the Sahara and the Middle East in wave after wave after wave in order to leave Africa? It’s just in our biology to be explorers and it’s one of the reasons we began to walk upright in the first half place. I’m still skeptical of the Marx Overkill Theory. Why were elephants in Asia and Africa spared but mammoths (amongst other ice age megafauna) in Europe and the Americas systematically targeted for slaughter and wiped out? I think it’s always been about the warming climate rendering shaggy fur obsolete (no matter what our friends on the right accuse of simply being a Chinese hoax or a “greenie/liberal” conspiracy theory). I’m not saying we didn’t occasionally hunt them or even scavenge from kills but surely they weren’t the easiest quarry to bring down and decimate?? I think they were here long before we were. The Cerutti Mastadon site is thought to be 130,000 years old. Big assumption tying this to Sasquatch I admit but I have to ask ‘what else had the means of smashing a mastadon bone with a crude cobble 117,000 years before the first paleo-Indian showed up?’ Homo had entered Eurasia as early as 2 million years ago. It’s anybody’s guess how long it took them to find Beringia and trek it but the potential is there for it to be a pretty long while back. I don’t doubt the difficulty of the terrain one bit but if mammoths, bison, wolves, bears, etc were able to make the trek numerous times without boats then it’s entirely possible that a bipedal hominin was able to follow these herds into the new world without boats as well when the water levels were much lower.

MIB has a good point on lack of data available to make a determination of relative size and relationships. Jack Horner, a Canadian Palentologist, basically caused several species of dinosaurs to go extinct. Extinct is not the right word exactly, but he showed the species never existed. www.ted.com/talks/jack_horner_shape_shifting_dinosaurs/transcript?language=en Entertaining video. He wondered why baby dinosaurs were not found more frequently. They should be found more often than mature adults in the same strata because most likely do not achieve adult size. In our search for the origin of BF we are making a lot of assumptions based on very few findings. Relative size of likely candidates are perhaps premature because of lack of specimens. The size and morphology of giganto, homo erectus, etc are all based on very little data. From the mistakes made with the dinosaurs, I would expect similar problems with man kinds ancestors and members of our family tree. There is too little data to have any likelihood of assuming the correct evolution and origins of BF. .Meldrum contends that several species in our more recent human lineage likely have yet to be found. Fossels and ancient bones are very rare.

I'm always looking for a better pack. Never quite finding what I hope to find. For day packs I like a lot of organization, something with many pockets so I know where each thing is. Also so things like my audio recorders can run without accidentally the off button. Though heavy, some of the tactical packs are pretty decent. I've used 511 Tactical's Rush12 and Rush24 packs. My only beef with them is lack of a waist belt. Add 3L of water and by end of day your shoulders will be talking to you. There are attachment points for a belt, you could cobble something together, but I haven't had a lot of luck so far. Another I've used some is the Eberlestock H3 "Sawed Off". It's a good hydration pack with some extra storage. It has a little bit of very good organization, just doesn't go far enough. It has a waist belt but it rides very high on me so it stabilizes the load but does not carry weight. There are a couple other packs I like ... Kelty Redwing 32 and The North Face Terra 35. The Kelty has fair organization but isn't quite long enough, max torso length is 18.5 inches. The Terra 35 hauls a load of water, etc very well but doesn't have much organization. I've used both when I was doing a lot of trail cam work. One of my favorite packs for just wandering around .. not packing trail cams or the like, just a bit of water, a jacket, and a small camera, is Badlands "Pursuit". No waist band, but in the days I was using it, I was not carrying enough weight to matter. None of these is waterproof. I've either used a pack cover or put the pack contents in small trash bags to keep them dry. The waterproof packs I've looked at seem like they'd make you sweat and not ventilate thus defeating the intended purpose. MIB

The Timber lobby likely wouldn't mind. MK Davis on the other hand mind up massacre nonsense out of his own mental bowels.

Nature is remarkable. Evolution and punctuated equilibrium can work wonders in quick (geologic time) order. Species overall size has been enlarged/shrunk countless times. Indeed, we have our own Homo floresiensis as an example. Regarding diet, I've observed gray squirrels and prairie dogs cannibalizing neighbors. A deer species has been found to be a major predator of ground-nesting birds. As MIB states above, best not to limit the possibilities.

A better picture may be that whatever Sasquatch is, or was, it's entirely possible that it came from older and deeper in the line that produced Zana. In other words, the line that led to the Almasty? In reading Zana's preferences for sleeping accomodations as well as other physical abilities and attributes she possessed I could see her "species" surviving the ancient trek. Especially if they were pursued East for decades if not centuries by Homo Sapiens once the line arrived into Northern Asia? They didn't necessarily need to be vegetarian either and may even have started out being a bit smaller in size.

My wives family were big time mushers. They put on the Priest Lake sled dog race for years. Houndsmen do it differently. Just one hold for all the dogs and a strike platform on top. Plott Hounds are considered best for bear.

...it wouldn’t be fair of me to bring up the saggital keel however without adding that it’s been found in many early Homo sapien skulls as well. Remnants even pop up from time to time today in modern humans (think Patrick Stewart).

Here's the booted prints next to the barefoot prints for comparison. Just fun to find and wonder who made them, when and why. It's like detective work in many ways.

Sunday, September 8, 2019 - Any ideas on how this tree got hung up in the bigger tree, with the roots dangling down? I'm open to suggestions. The darker bark behind it is a different tree, if you zoom. Also, 95% sure they're human, because there were boot prints not far away (though I suppose the booted dude could have been studying them, too, since the child prints wete much deeper than the booted prints), but its always kinda thrilling to find barefoot prints. Little 6" prints (rotten parents to let their littles run barefoot in that rocky muddy soil, who wants that mud in your vehicle?). CAN'T WAIT to explore a few months from now for prints on lonely shorelines after some serious cold weather! I think think my whole bigfoot search could be summarized as "things that make you go hmmmm in the woods"!

Old Mort: The box shown in the image I received is the store package box for a 50' load in a magazine format, ready to be put into a camera to film. It has a "expiration date" (a sell by date for the store stocking it) Nov. 1969, and an emulsion number 726518670 V , which is of no consequence to analysis of processed film. I'm pretty sure the 7265 part is the film type, because I remember commercial ektachrome as 7255, and eastman color negative stock as 7251 (later 7254). I shot a lot of these last three in film school. There is also a picture of a metal film can such as what Kodak would return the processed 50' roll in to the customer, but no box. As a general impression based on what I know and see in the images sent to me, the ANE can likely holds either a release print of a 30 minute program reel, or maybe the edit master from which release print are printed from. The edit master would be one generation up in finer quality. The 50' roll is not likely anything from Roger, as he is not known to have ever used 50' magazine cameras and film. John Green however, is proven to have used a 50' magazine camera to film McClarin. That's as much as I know right now.

CORRECTION: I have been contacted by someone I know to be reliable, and provided photos showing film cans more consistent with the story, so there may be some validity to this story, but it was inaccurately described when originally posted on reddit. The new photos show an old film can (a 1200 or 1600' reel can) with an old label reading "A.N.E." which would have been appropriate for a vintage 1970's film can label, plus a box of Kodachrome film, but a 50' magazine film stock (and Roger didn't use 50' magazine cameras, John Green did to film McClarin). The Kodak box has a process "use by" date of 1969, but that is not the manufacture date, just the "good until" date. Only a date code on the film, once processed, would give the manufacture date code of the film stock. I have not had any direct contact yet with the people in possession of the film. I will be posting this on reddit as well.

^^^^Been practicing law for 30 years and I'd say that shooting anything that looks remotely like Patty, even intentionally (and self-defense would be a "given" defense to that)would, at most result in a fine for hunting a protected, non-game animal, no matter what the DNA reads. Any other outcome that is predicted is in the realm of legal fantasy and not supported in the law or predicted facts. A fundamental precept of enforceable criminal statutes is that they not be so vague so as to not put a citizen on reasonable notice of the particulars of the prohibited act. Almost by definition, a statute that says "It is criminal to shoot this ape/human/hybrid/other, whatever it is, and we can't tell you what it is, but don't shoot it, because it might be human, but we don't know because we've never identified it" is comically vague and unenforceable. If you can't say up front, definitively, that is a species of human, you can't create a crime after the fact if it turns out to be one. As it stands now, as we all here know very well, even if you did define it as a human, there would be no definitive scientific basis to support that. You cannot place the burden on the perpetrator to discern if what he is about to do is homicide, or not, when the state could not reasonably tell that either when the law was passed by the legislature and signed by the executive. It is just nonsense to predict any other outcome, sorry. Now, the SECOND person to kill one, after the DNA is sequenced and the laws rewritten? Oh yeah, he or she better lawyer-up, bigly.

Headed out to the Deep Creek Mountains along the border between UT and NV. Some 12,000' peaks there, it's a remote range with little human presence. Access via the Pony Express trail, a long dusty washboarded affair. With wild horses: And squatchless salt flats: Up into here: Set up camp with much needed shade. Possible cougar scat in the pinyons behind Rover but no sightings: Scrambled up the peak behind for a looksee, tired old mountain top: Cooked up some grub at dusk and went for a stroll down the "trail." Poorwills and nighthawks overhead, crickets and katydids providing soundtrack. Nothing anomalous throughout the night. Following day we made 1300' of bushwhacked gain up through pinyon/sagebrush and 2 steps up, 1 back rottenrock scree to the various peaks S of camp. Saw jackrabbits and a golden eagle who met us at the summit, outside of indeterminate tracks, no other wildlife. Camp down there somewhere: Intended peak but after 1300' up at 8200' we retreated: Down through a slide/tumble scrapefest that often looked like this: Beautiful area with a little water flowing downstream but maybe still too dry...idk

To me, Bigfoot is a hominin species, a member of genus homo, with speech ability. A great ape like us and others but a brute in human form.

Flesh and blood primate. Like us, one of the great apes.

Exactly this /\ The trackway I came across 40 odd years ago was all alone along the old logging road, nothing else had made any tracks there. When I went back with John Green the next day, the only additional tracks were my own, paralleling the large tracks for the first 20 yards into the snow; the rest of the tracks continued up the road for as far as we could see, probably 400 yards till they disappeared around a curve in the slight uphill grade. Who the heck would fake that, not knowing if anyone would see them before all the snow melted?

Pretty dry out here, but still a few moist spots where parts of the creek are still holding water, and creating a little traffic.....nice pick of Lulu, her coat really blends in, easier to see lil Rusty.

I think it would be fair to say he is in denial about most truthful aspects of the PGF.

Paul du Chaillu brought the first gorilla carcass out of Africa for science, and he was regarded with derision and disbelief.........that’s right; even a carcass wasn’t enough for many. And it wasn’t against the law to shoot animals that didn’t exist back then. Today it is.

Perhaps one of the best and most informed opinions is someone that is mostly forgotten in intelligent discussion about the P-G film. His name is Robert "Bob" Merle Titmus, who met with both Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin right after the film was shot (in Canada) and was on the P-G filmsite late October 1967, not only to inspect the trackway that was left behind, but to make castings of the footprints as well. He told me by telephone when I was preparing my Bigfoot At Bluff Creek, "that is a genuine film." Bob was equipped to give a very informed opinion. Having researched the film myself for decades I am 100% confident the P-G film depicts what we have come to know as Bigfoot, not a man in a costume.