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502 was definitely a bad gateway. Glad to see it was not our pathway

And a HUGE shoutout to Gig for all he does to keep this place up and running! IT is not a easy thing to keep going at times.

https://www.science.org/content/article/mysterious-orange-lipped-monkey-discovered-deep-congo-rainforest-new-species I'm surprised that this doesn't have a thread yet. It seems tangentially relevant. This line I found interesting: "The Likweli monkey was first caught on camera in 2008, when a research expedition snapped a blurry photo of a black-pelted primate they didn’t recognize." That's right folks, all started with a blobmonkey!

For those who doubt the usefulness of DNA in identifying Bigfoot as a new species or a Homo sapiens hybrid, please read this paper on the Likweli monkey, which has extensive DNA results to demonstrate its place in monkey phylogeny as a distinct species. A similar paper on the Lesula monkey, another recent discovery, can be found in PLOS ONE.

^^^ This is a point Anna Nikaris has made about Bigfoot. She discovered some similar primate in Asia herself a few years ago. Never know what is out there.

For the moment, my little chunk o' heaven is calm. The East Evans Creek Fire (15,800 acres?) seems under control. The state fire marshal team tasked with structure protection left a week ago. The local IMT under state forestry has completed their 2 week rotation and has been replaced by a joint team from California and Australia. North-central and Eastern Oregon are a different situation. Something over 1.5 million acres have burned / are burning, several fires well beyond 100K acres, and today they're under a "PDS" red flag warning, not a red flag warning. I'd never heard the term. PDS is particularly dangerous situation. Low humidity, winds to 50 mph over active fires, and not enough resources to address new starts. Despite all of the conspiracy nonsense, these are lightning fires other than East Evans Creek which was the result of a car hitting a power pole and dropping live lines into dry brush.

How dare you question my opinion. When I said "thoughts?", I wasn't actually asking and I surely didn't expect anyone to provide anything worthwhile. Don't you know who I am? I'm like Ralphy in A Christmas Story after turning in his theme and in his mind getting an A+++++, with his classmates hoisting him upon their shoulders, and you are the teacher bringing me back to reality. Oh the gall of some people. Seriously though. Thanks for that. I did considered the car aspect and this was found several miles from the nearest road, so ruled that out. Stepping in holes? Maybe, maybe one leg, maybe and that is even far fetched in my mind. Let's examine this post mortem. What is going to scavenge in Minnesota? Coyotes, wolves, bears, and cougars and none of those would create torque resulting in spiral fractures. I think the key to this discussion really is the evidence of the spiral fractures themselves. That in my mind is quite telling. All good conversations. As a side note, later that same night, I watched a 9 foot squatch through a thermal walk through the forest, check out our camp as a guy was playing his native flute, and then move away for a total of 15 minutes (story for another thread). I'm pretty sure that is swaying my views on these breaks, but nevertheless I think they are good evidence.

A friend works on / volunteers on a ranch along the next river corridor to the west. They have found several deer skeletons, meat removed, just tendons, bones, and hide, with the rear leg broken and the neck snapped inside of an open-air barn. This is consistent with observations from other places. Thoughts? Well, you did ask. I think it is useless so far as providing evidence for existence. There are far too many alternate explanations for it to be convincing to anyone. Deer break their legs either stepping in holes, being hit by cars, and so on. As tendons dry, they can bend the neck or other joints in ways consistent with deliberate manipulation. What my friend found, the photos you shared, are interesting information for people who've already decided for themselves that bigfoot is, or is most probably, real, but so far as moving anyone from non-believer to believer .. nah, not going to move that needle in the slightest. I wish to thank you for sharing, don't want you to regret that based on my seemingly negative comments. I find it interesting .. but I'm not someone who needs convincing. MIB

Happy Anniv. Mr and Mrs. Huntster! I hope you are both feeling much better. Heat index in TN, MS and AR has been 110-127 sometimes lately and IT is nasty. (Climate change denialists look away, there is nothing to see here.) But, yes, Happy Birthday, USA! Our leaders are doing a lot of stupid things right now, but hopefully common sense will eventually prevail. I have hope for the future because we have smart and wonderful kids who deserve much, much better and they will change things. The recent BFF outage was unprecedented; thank-you Gigantor and whoever else helped to get it running again. Semper Fidelis!

We have a pathway and a gateway? Next thing you know we'll get all high-falutin' and have whatever high-falutin' websites have. Maybe a portal?

Had me worried, that was a long one! I don't post much but still visit often...

I recently read this thread in full. Super fascinating.

Holy kamoley! It's good to be back! Great to see old friends, again.

Wow! This is great! I was afraid we were done for good.

Congrats on making it to 50, Mr & Mrs Huntster. Us long haulers seem to be a rarity these days, 62 years for my sweetie and I.

I've got a flu, and I just got Mrs. Huntster out of the hospital on Thursday. It's cloudy/rainy, but I like that better than heat. Our 50th wedding anniversary is at the end of the month. No plans. Life dictates our actions day by day, but I'm loving our Alaskan summer!

This, in my opinion, is the best circumstantial evidence for the existence of sasquatch. Let me explain. I found these hind deer legs in northern Minnesota, both broken. The breaks are spiral fractures. In order to get a spiral fracture, the bones need to be twisted. In order to twist, thumbs are required (and tremendous strength). I have come across this multiple times. The next question, does this happen naturally? There was a research paper on this and the answer is yes rarely, and only under very limited conditions. Those conditions require a sun baked hard pan surface where bones were stepped on by large ungulates causing twisting breaks. These bones were found in a bog and as you can see, are sitting on sphagnum moss. Anyone else find similar evidence? Thoughts?

Paranthropus

Well, that's interesting and does open up some potentials. If the track ways are indicating a larger size, do they also imply the degree of "upright-ness"? And how would this impact their capacity for longer distance mobility. Is it possible they or some member of Paranthropus were able to take part in the ongoing exodus from Africa along with other hominids of the time, such as erectus? If this occurred when sea levels had dropped we would have little chance of finding evidence of such range expansions, but if H.erectus was on the move, whats to say Paranthropus wouldn't as well, perhaps even following or joining H.e for increased safety and foraging.its a stretch to be sure, but it does illustrate potential pathways for the simultaneous expansion of multiple species outside of Africa, which could then result in multiple derived forms further out rather than just our own hominid line.

This picture was sent to me by a friend. It’s Inchelium Washington. It on the Colville Indian Reservation. This is the Modrite fire. Stay safe folks! 🙏🏻😥

Yes. But no elk hoof tracks in the cast area. So did it levitate out of its bed? The last act of a bedded elk getting up is standing on its hooves, right? Ive posted video of elk in the act of getting up before. So we should guard against blanket statements like this or the Jacobs creature was a bear because bear cubs where recently in the bait stand. My own personal experience is that I get a wide variety of species into my bait stand when i was doing it. And something with padded feet like a bear or a Bigfoot is harder to track.

I have consolidated the three Capturing Bigfoot threads under Skinwalker13 original posting. It has been moved to the PGF section. Thank you for your patience!

What does this nature discovery mean? Here are my completely uninformed thoughts: First, I applaud the logic. I will admit when we see something unusual, I am more prone to think it is in fact not unusual. It is just not as well understood. Well, maybe just not well understood by me. Once we understand it the real reason turns out to be pretty boring. I would like to offer 2 examples: 1- Plaster cast "fingerprints". I heard on TV shows how these plaster footprints of Bigfoot had dermal ridges. There was even claimed evidence of healed skin in the footprint's dermal ridge lines which "couldn't be faked". Jimmy Chilcutte became a household name in the Bigfoot world as the FBI fingerprint expert who pointed these things out. He concluded this could only be explained by an undiscovered primate making the prints. This may be the case, but his analysis was flawed it seems. The effect he noticed was able to be explained and reproduced by others giving the same ridges as an experimental result. This meant there could be other explanations for the same lines he based his conclusions on. 2- The Skookum casts were thought to be a bigfoot siting in the mud. It seems its more likely this was just a deer/elk type animal. Of the two which is more likely. We attribute things to unusual findings which can be significant. Sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. In the end we need to go wherever the facts take us. Are the findings explained by some other natural process or typical process?

Hello from Ohio. I have had a few personal encounters and am interested in hearing about other people’s experiences.

^^^ Be safe if you go.

Hey Backdoc ... good questions. The answer is nobody really knows. I'll risk speculating though. Back in August of 2011 when my then-new buddy Bill and I did our first backpacking trip we had some activity. From laying on my back, my sense was the big guy coming toward / into camp was traveling at least 10-12 mph and was doing it walking, not running. I say that based on the slow cadence of the steps and the immense amount of ground he was covering. So .. guessing .. if they were pushed, I would think they could cover upwards of 100 miles in a day. That's not a long term sustainable speed because it doesn't leave time to gather calories but in a burst, at need, I think it is possible. Depending on what they are eating and how long they have to slow down to gather it, they might well maintain our walking speed while traveling and foraging. I don't think they move that fast most of the time, not on average. In that same area where we had the camp visits, activity often starts between August 15th and 20th and persists into early September, then tapers off. I've had sparse "action" 'til around the 20th-25th of September some years. The next canyon over, maybe 6 miles away, I've had at least hints of potential bigfoot activity past the middle of October. I don't think they maintain a set speed. I think they go faster when they're not finding concentrations of resources and they slow down when the grub is good and the hiding is better. Unfortunately that doesn't give the simple and constant numerical values for speed / distance your question seems to ask. From mid October into Christmas or beyond they sorta disappear. If it is the same "guys" they pop up in two places. One is about 40 miles across fairly open country (with a huge lake in the middle) so I assume they skirt it on one side or the other. Reports there go into spring then stop. The other stays along the foot of the mountains .. a smattering of reports through winter .. and seem to pass back over the crest in a lower area and return to this closer side, then swing north a little. In neither case are they making big miles, probably averaging less than one mile per day, though I doubt that's at a steady pace, again, could well be driven by ease of gathering calories. Bill followed up on one report seemingly from a member of the group that goes through that saddle and comes back to this side of the mountains. That was right around Christmas and was in the saddle. That saddle is, for whatever it is worth, probably 5-6 miles only from where one of those fire crews saw the bigfoots following them to and from the fire line in the dark. That is near enough valley bottom that perhaps they are not part of that group / gathering either. I could be over-connecting dots that don't belong together. Itsa risk! MIB

So KC is not normally what comes to mind when I think of prime BF real estate. To what do you attribute the multiple number of sightings in the area? While urban BF is not unheard of, it does seem to be fairly rare. Just curious. Also, do you mind providing a few more details on some of the incidents? That latest sighting in Independence is smack dab in the the center of a residential area and seems highly improbable, but I would love to know more about it. Thanks!

Any fire like this is horrible. I imagine a terrible fire would drive many animals toward safety and Bigfoot would be no exception. It's still a numbers game. 10,000 Deer on the move are easier to notice than 4 Sasquatch.

In theory Sasquatch's should be moving around A LOT and there should be an increase in sightings maybe.

This is a really good read (sorry, listen) in spite of the scary headline chosen by the video-makers. If the video-makers are being honest, none of the voiceover or research is generated by AI. It's not hard to overlay reported Bigfoot behavior with some of the information in the video.

I became intested in bigfoot after a sighting on a road near north carolina i have been following it ever since

Here in BC, most of the Fraser Canyon and the Cariboo Plateau is blazing right now, with at least 4 towns evacuated, and several more under threat. One of the fires is now over 90,000 hectares!

I agree with you .. but that's not relevant so far as moving the bar. What's in your mind, what's in my mind .. also not relevant to moving the bar. The only evidence that matters, so far as moving us closer to scientific acceptance, is evidence that skeptics and outright scoftics can't find an alternate explanation for. A body or a large enough piece to test and retest DNA from so many times that contamination or degradation is simply not a feasible explanation. There may be lesser evidence that draws scientists in .. then THEY will have to find the body instead of US, but ultimately it is going to come down to a body or major piece of a body. I wish I were wrong.

I found this awhile ago.

Greetings! I'm Klaus. Never had an actual sighting, but heard quite a lot of strangeness in the woods I grew up. Always around fall.

The ranch is FULL of blackberries. We never had blackberries when we moved there from the coast in 75! My parents would freak out if they were still alive!

I have been looking for some hobbies to occupy my time as of late and camping and hiking are areas in which I always enjoyed in the past with friends. Now that those people have left my life, I am looking to pick up where I left off without them. Why not occupy my time researching this while I am out there to begin with, I guess. I am also planning on giving this total time and devotion. The best is yet to come!

Spent time with family! Best way to spend any time. We felt your pain, VaFooter, as the eastern panhandle was just as hot and humid!

Thank you for your work!

Portal sounds intriguing.

We understate the thanks owed to those who brought us back. thanks is all we can offer. don’t know what ya got until it’s (nearly) gone.

Thanks and praise!

Glad to see you're back. I received an unsafe warning earlier in the day, but they appear to be gone now.

a big THANK YOU to all the admins and behind-the-scenes folks who got the forum back on its feet again. Much appreciated.

Man, that shutdown had me worried! Glad to see the site back up and running! Huge round of applause for Gigantor, please.

Hello there, My name is Clark Henrie, I'm a life long bigfoot enthusiast and I love researching this topic as well as cryptozoology of all kinds. I look forward to sharing some of my amateur research with the community (I enjoy reading old newspapers and books looking for past encounters), Anyway glad to be here. --Clark

Glad to see you back!