Losing The Faith....

[Guest]

Are you serious John? What student wouldn't be interested in learning from Meldrum? He may not have proof, but I have to give him credit for having the cajones to study this subject. Who cares whether or not he sells the casts, because it takes two to tango. Somebody's buying the casts aren't they? And what's wrong with having a theory? That's how scientific research is performed. If you're a firm non-believer of BF, then why does all this bother you so much?

Are you serious John?

Yes

What student wouldn't be interested in learning from Meldrum?

Unless they are interested in physical anthropology, most students.

He may not have proof,

right, and that's all that matters.

but I have to give him credit for having the cajones to study this subject.

Hero worship. He deserves no more credit in regards to Bigfoot then anyone else out in the woods. What has he found that no else has?

Who cares whether or not he sells the casts, because it takes two to tango. Somebody's buying the casts aren't they?

True, Let the buyer beware. How many of his Wallace track copies do you own?

And what's wrong with having a theory?

Nothing is wrong with a theory, but it's only a theory.

That's how scientific research is performed.

Correct, but where are the proven results from his Bigfoot research?

If you're a firm non-believer of BF, then why does all this bother you so much?

Nope, I am a witness and firm believer in Bigfoot. It bothers me because I want results. Still waiting...

Edited November 20, 2010 by JohnCartwright

[Guest]

What would a student study about Bigfoot at Idaho State under Dr. Meldrum? His collection of (50% or more) faked Bigfoot casts that he sells copies of for $50 at Bigfoot gatherings? His theories about a animal he has never even personally witnessed? His THEORY about a mid-tarsal break? Dr. Meldrum knows plenty about primate physiology, but he knows as much about Bigfoot as everyone else. NOTHING.

What'd he do to you?

[Guest]

What'd he do to you?

Dr. Meldrum did not do a thing to me. I have no personal animosity to Dr. Meldrum or any of the other so-called "experts" in Bigfootery. I simply call it like I see it, and I have seen nothing worth the fuss. I do not feel a need to be silent or fear any repercussions.

The thread topic is losing the faith. 4 years ago, I was naive enough to believe there were experts. Not any more.

[Guest FuriousGeorge]

There is not much more for the people here on this forum to learn from Dr. Meldrum but the subject is probably pretty fresh for a majority of the population. I think his biggest attribute is bringing awareness to the masses. Whether or not his appearing on tv is a selfish act, it has also other ramifications because of his position. Getting the masses interested is important to me. Maybe more money will arrive, different methods will be applied, and more data will be looked at. I think he is a good figurehead because he is less likely to be considered to be a crackpot than others in this field. If any portion of the population decides to get interested in the subject, would you prefer they get information from him or ?(pick a name). I'll agree with JohnCartwright in the respect that he doesn't have more info than anyone else, but at least his info doesn't consist of (whatever crazy theory derived from the crazy name you picked above). Bottom line for me is that this subject is not studied by most because it's considered laughable. Anyone that takes a chance at diminishing the laugh factor is cool with me.

[Guest]

Dr. Meldrum did not do a thing to me. I have no personal animosity to Dr. Meldrum or any of the other so-called "experts" in Bigfootery. I simply call it like I see it, and I have seen nothing worth the fuss. I do not feel a need to be silent or fear any repercussions.

The thread topic is losing the faith. 4 years ago, I was naive enough to believe there were experts. Not any more.

Take no offense, please. I think I understand what you're saying. My knowledge of Dr. M is only from what I have learned in the public domain. With that being said, I find it hard not to lend him more credence because of his credentials. Despite my field of study, the one thing I learned most in college was how to learn and observe. Dr. M has shown both of those attributes. It seems logical that he would perceive and process things relating to BF, especially footprints, with a greater degree of accuracy than say a computer technician. Doesn't that make him more of an "expert" than most?

[Incorrigible1]

We sometimes devour our own young. Dr. Meldrum doesn't deserve this kind of treatment by a "proponent."

[Guest]

What kind of treatment would that be? I never made light of, or disrespected his credentials or his education. I merely stated a fact. He knows no more about Bigfoot then you, I or anyone else does. Educated guesses are still guesses. I prefer to deal with facts and so far we have none. I do not discourage anyone from their opinions or theories. If you agree with Dr. Meldrum, fine. If he is right, I would have no problem giving him credit and admitting my error. That would mean there is proof and that is all I really care about.

Please get the proof Dr. Meldrum.

[Incorrigible1]

It's not necessary to agree or disagree with the Dr. He's put himself out there, by default has become the face of bigfoot research to many people. He's put forth theories and research, has been a fine spokesperson for the possibility the creature could exist. Now you saddle him with providing proof positive of the creature's existence?

He takes enough potshots from the vocally prominent scoftics on this forum.

[Guest LittleFeat]

Are you serious John?

Yes

Okay, just wondering.

What student wouldn't be interested in learning from Meldrum?

Unless they are interested in physical anthropology, most students.

And that's what I'm saying. It might attract more students in the life sciences and other disciplines to start taking a more serious look at the mystery if they knew more about what has been found so far. Most people outside the BF circle have no idea how many sightings and other evidence has been compiled. They get their BF info from TV and tabloids who deliver it in a humorous way.

He may not have proof,

right, and that's all that matters.

No it isn't all that matters. The road to proof is everything that everyone of us, including Dr Meldrum, is doing right now to try to secure enough evidence to establish proof of existence. Every piece of evidence is important and having university folks like Meldrum evaluating the evidence is what we need more of.

but I have to give him credit for having the cajones to study this subject.

Hero worship. He deserves no more credit in regards to Bigfoot then anyone else out in the woods. What has he found that no else has?

Do you have an educational background in physical anthropology? Are you going to go get a PhD in physical anthropology so that we can tell Dr Meldrum that we don't need his help anymore? It's not what he's personally found, it's Meldrum's anthropological expertise and academic connections that make him such a valuable resource.

Who cares whether or not he sells the casts, because it takes two to tango. Somebody's buying the casts aren't they?

True, Let the buyer beware. How many of his Wallace track copies do you own?

I agree and I don't own any track casts. What would I do with them anyway, take them to the office for "show and tell" or put them in a trophy case? lol

And what's wrong with having a theory?

Nothing is wrong with a theory, but it's only a theory.

Exactly, but what is your theory? That they don't exist? Meldrum is a fool? They exist, but only when you say so?

That's how scientific research is performed.

Correct, but where are the proven results from his Bigfoot research?

I'm sure Meldrum is hoping to establish proof too, but it's going to take a lot of more work and patience. Just because there's no solid proof yet, doesn't mean that proof doesn't have the potential to exist?

If you're a firm non-believer of BF, then why does all this bother you so much?

Nope, I am a witness and firm believer in Bigfoot. It bothers me because I want results. Still waiting...

And you and I may never see proof before the end of our lifetimes, but that doesn't mean that yours, Meldrum's and the efforts of others are wasted. The more circumstantial evidence that we gain, the better chance we'll have at establishing proof in the future. I just enjoy going up in the mountains of Colorado and spending time there; to me that's enough of a reason to "keep the faith".

[Guest]

No it isn't all that matters. The road to proof is everything that everyone of us, including Dr Meldrum, is doing right now to try to secure enough evidence to establish proof of existence. Every piece of evidence is important and having university folks like Meldrum evaluating the evidence is what we need more of.

If you mean taking the evidence to another scientist who can be impartial then I agree. Taking Bigfoot evidence to a Bigfoot believer scientist, may not get a impartial assessment. It is not about what you and I want to hear about the evidence submitted. It is about the evidence itself.

Do you have an educational background in physical anthropology? Are you going to go get a PhD in physical anthropology so that we can tell Dr Meldrum that we don't need his help anymore? It's not what he's personally found, it's Meldrum's anthropological expertise and academic connections that make him such a valuable resource.

If this "valuable resource" can lead to some tangible evidence great.

Exactly, but what is your theory? That they don't exist? Meldrum is a fool? They exist, but only when you say so?

I already told you I am a witness and I believe. That and $5 will buy me a coffee at Starbucks.

I do not deal in theories. I deal in facts. I don't care if Bigfoot is human or ape. I don't care about Bigfoot's foot morphology. I don't care if Bigfoot can speak Klingon. I don't care if Bigfoot leaves butt prints in Skookum meadows. I don't care if Bigfoot strolled across Bluff Creek on Oct 20th 1967. I only care about someone (anyone) getting a Bigfoot specimen (dead or alive) to catalog the animal for science. At this point, I would settle for a clear photo or video for motivation.

I'm sure Meldrum is hoping to establish proof too, but it's going to take a lot of more work and patience. Just because there's no solid proof yet, doesn't mean that proof doesn't have the potential to exist?

I hope so.

And you and I may never see proof before the end of our lifetimes, but that doesn't mean that yours, Meldrum's and the efforts of others are wasted. The more circumstantial evidence that we gain, the better chance we'll have at establishing proof in the future. I just enjoy going up in the mountains of Colorado and spending time there; to me that's enough of a reason to "keep the faith".

It's great that you have fun and enjoy what you do. If I never see proof in my lifetime then my efforts were wasted. I am a results orientated person.

Edited November 21, 2010 by JohnCartwright

[Guest FuriousGeorge]

Is there a color key? 3 colors for 2 people? Who's blue? I'm rooting for blue, whoever it may be.

[Guest]

I am blue

[kitakaze]

[Guest LittleFeat]

No it isn't all that matters. The road to proof is everything that everyone of us, including Dr Meldrum, is doing right now to try to secure enough evidence to establish proof of existence. Every piece of evidence is important and having university folks like Meldrum evaluating the evidence is what we need more of.

If you mean taking the evidence to another scientist who can be impartial then I agree. Taking Bigfoot evidence to a Bigfoot believer scientist, may not get a impartial assessment. It is not about what you and I want to hear about the evidence submitted. It is about the evidence itself.

The reason Dr Meldrum is a believer is

because

he sees so much evidence. He

is

a scientist, so I'm certain that he utilizes skepticism before drawing any conclusions.

Do you have an educational background in physical anthropology? Are you going to go get a PhD in physical anthropology so that we can tell Dr Meldrum that we don't need his help anymore? It's not what he's personally found, it's Meldrum's anthropological expertise and academic connections that make him such a valuable resource.

If this "valuable resource" can lead to some tangible evidence great.

I think collaborative research is the way to solve the mystery. You, Meldrum, and countless others are all valuable resources.

Exactly, but what is your theory? That they don't exist? Meldrum is a fool? They exist, but only when you say so?

I already told you I am a witness and I believe. That and $5 will buy me a coffee at Starbucks.

You're very lucky to have seen a BF, but why are you so obsessed with cataloging this creature? It's most people's dream just to see one.

I do not deal in theories. I deal in facts. I don't care if Bigfoot is human or ape. I don't care about Bigfoot's foot morphology. I don't care if Bigfoot can speak Klingon. I don't care if Bigfoot leaves butt prints in Skookum meadows. I don't care if Bigfoot strolled across Bluff Creek on Oct 20th 1967. I only care about someone (anyone) getting a Bigfoot specimen (dead or alive) to catalog the animal for science. At this point, I would settle for a clear photo or video for motivation.

I'm sure Meldrum is hoping to establish proof too, but it's going to take a lot of more work and patience. Just because there's no solid proof yet, doesn't mean that proof doesn't have the potential to exist?

I hope so.

And you and I may never see proof before the end of our lifetimes, but that doesn't mean that yours, Meldrum's and the efforts of others are wasted. The more circumstantial evidence that we gain, the better chance we'll have at establishing proof in the future. I just enjoy going up in the mountains of Colorado and spending time there; to me that's enough of a reason to "keep the faith".

It's great that you have fun and enjoy what you do. If I never see proof in my lifetime then my efforts were wasted. I am a results orientated person.

[Guest]

It's not necessary to agree or disagree with the Dr. He's put himself out there, by default has become the face of bigfoot research to many people. He's put forth theories and research, has been a fine spokesperson for the possibility the creature could exist. Now you saddle him with providing proof positive of the creature's existence?

He takes enough potshots from the vocally prominent scoftics on this forum.

It's not necessary to agree or disagree with the Dr.

Then why do you care so much when I question him? Because I am a believer? No one is above questions.

He's put himself out there, by default has become the face of bigfoot research to many people. He's put forth theories and research, has been a fine spokesperson for the possibility the creature could exist.

I can agree with that.

Now you saddle him with providing proof positive of the creature's existence?

Nope, we all share the responsibility. I never said it was all on Dr Meldrum. In the evidence department we all stink.

He takes enough potshots from the vocally prominent scoftics on this forum.

Oh, I get it. You want me to choose a side here. I choose the facts. If I question any "Bigfoot expert's" theories or any another investigator's methods, I could lose my key to the Bigfootery clubhouse? Darn.

Edited November 21, 2010 by JohnCartwright