Guest Peter O. Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 He calls sasquatch communication holographic That doesn't help his credibility, now does it? But that's besides the point I guess... Is there any evidence for any of these claims? There are human languages that use clicks (the ! in !Kung, for example) and are tonal in nature (in Laos and Cambodia IIRC), so that's not much of a stretch. But internally-generated eyeshine? Why isn't it just a reflection of ambient light like all the other animals?
Guest Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Bang on Transformer. I wrote this over three years ago: A crypto-linguist is someone in the intelligence community who intercepts, transcribes, deciphers, or analyzes foreign voice transmissions. That doesn't mean a crypto-linguist is any sort of expert in non-human languages. That's still the case today. RayG That is a very good definition of a crytologic linguist. As far as I can tell, there don't seem to be any experts in languages that don't exist.
Guest Peter O. Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 That is a very good definition of a crytologic linguist. As far as I can tell, there don't seem to be any experts in languages that don't exist. In a way, there are, though, aren't there? A university linguistics professor or someone with similar training could know various rules associated with languages, or methods of analysis, that can be extrapolated to other known or unknown languages. Probably it would only be sufficient to determine whether a communication was in fact likely to be a language, but that would be something.
Guest Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Good point, Mr. O. If I were to assemble a group of professionals to work on an unknown language, experts in linguistics would certainly headline the effort. Knowledge of existing languages seems integral to the study of any supposed unknown language and experts in language and the study thereof would seem to be a good place to start scouting for talent.
Guest Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 This is interesting. havent been in these parts for a very long time.. just here and there .. and I hope to be back more to visit.. couple points I didnt see addressed on here: 1- Is it possible that some people have sasquatches around their homes from time to time listening? (or watching tv ).. or the unusual and interesting patterns of lights and visuals on our stagnant computers facing the window... 2- IF small children eventually learn to repeat phrases and words.. happily momma and dada come to mind QUICKLIKE.. is it not possible that a being that is often much larger than us can repeatedly hear phrases to mimic? (MANY researchers have told me their experiences of their voices or someone they know .. where a voice from the wood copied it amazingly well. ) OK.. so there is a basis.. bear in mind that PERHAPS these creatures have a significant hearing capability so that they can hear us ramble over and over (often on the same subject) time and time again over the years. Perhaps its not a stretch that they actually learn some of our words.. our babies do... 3- IS it possible... that SOME of them have an incredible gift of gab? The ability to learn fast repeat fast etc? I know people who know our language incredibly.. and others..., who stumble with it and show horrific understanding of it. Others.. are multicapable in numerous languages and excel.. is it possible we have a similar situation with the big guy? 4- Who is to say that they dont have a wild language? One that is utilized more often than not and is picked up in the fragments of recordings we have at this stage? 5- How about a regional language that is used in certain parts of their range? I dont know myself.. but I do know I have heard some interesting things from others which strongly suggest we know little of what we are dealing with.. IF what THEY say is correct. Bear in mind its interesting to hear the same type of descriptions from people who do not know ea other and the information comes from original sources far apart.. if its repeated its worth further investigating.. just sayin. I have heard of sign language... been given certain words that people have heard both English and other languages. I think we just have a fragment of what there is to know... but thats me. I hope that more information comes up so that people can understand more about these guys.. and it becomes readily available.. I think it will... Now where that leads us I dont know for sure but I suspect that we may be surprised. Just some ideas from some of the conversations I have had with people who have had unusual things happen.. there are a lot of recordings out there that have not been brought forth.. for a whole bunch of reasons.. looking forward to ea year as more hits the surface..
Guest Peter O. Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) ^^ Well, referencing #3 in your post, as a bilingual English/Polish speaker (from toddlerhood), I can make out some similar words in Slavic languages like Russian, but am only as good as anyone else in Hungarian or Japanese. On the other hand, I do have a good ability to pronounce other languages, but it is also possible that other people do not try as hard (like in my HS German classes, for example). I can't really doubt that BF has a good ability to mimic, maybe it does. I'm also not opposed to BF having language, since it is smart and on the Homo continuum somewhere, best as I can make out. I think more study needs to be put into this, and using confirmed recordings. There's definitely a possibility, and it might teach us something about the evolution of language in humans. edit: which is definitely a cool subject Edited July 23, 2012 by Peter O.
Guest BFSleuth Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Transformer, I think about a page ago you noted that it is well nigh impossible to get meaning from the audio tapes of purported BF language, and I think you are right. Without visual cues like gestures or other ways to establish context it will be difficult if not impossible to assign meaning to sounds. We can only speculate that certain sounds are imperative, for example. If Mr. Nelson, based on inflections of tone wants to assign broad levels of meaning like certain types of sounds are imperative in order to start fleshing out a theory that it is a language we are hearing, then I'm interested in that. I doubt very much that Mr. Nelson can or even should "translate" the language, but I think it is important if he can establish that it is a language. And from my slightly greater understanding of what a cryptolinguist does, he's no better qualified than my bilingual daughter. The one PhD I spoke with thought his work was beyond his area of expertise. I'll defer to your greater expertise in linguistics. At this point it seems that the closest anybody has come to bringing the abilities of a linguist to bear on the question of BF language is Mr. Nelson. While he may not be a linguist, he brings to bear a set of skills that might help bring more attention to the concept of BF language and hopefully linguists will either be part of his project or the results of his project will attract linguists to study the audio tapes.
Guest Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Isn't he basing all of his studies, alphabet, and whatever else, on recordings that may very well be fake anyway?
Guest BFSleuth Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 ^ Now that is a good and interesting question. What is known of the recordings he has undertaken to study? By the way, I've come across a few prior threads about the "Sierra Sounds" (I know that is at least one set of recordings he is studying): A ground breaking study of an unknown language from Sierra sounds A closer look at the Sierra sounds Are there other recordings he is using? Anyone know?
Guest BFSleuth Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 MK Davis has a new video out. Starting at 6:40 is the enhanced version of vocalizations that might be potential language. I wish we had more information about the provenance of these videos. With this video, starting at 3:40 is the enhanced vocalizations in the Whitey research area:
Guest Twilight Fan Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Hmmm...wow. Sometimes it sounds like drunk guys muttering and other times it sounds like a strange type of.....unknown language. Very interesting find.
Guest Peter O. Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) The first video could be anything IMO. I don't think anything there is outside of the range of human vocalization. Enoch? Come on. As for the second one... BF conveniently showed a tantalizing piece of himself, then sneaked all the way around, avoiding the lens, in order to break some branches and say a few words into the mike? The previous videos were more interesting. Edited July 24, 2012 by Peter O.
Guest Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 ^ Now that is a good and interesting question. What is known of the recordings he has undertaken to study? What is known is that there is no solid evidence whatsoever that the sounds were made by Bigfoot.
Guest watch1 Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 If it sounds like a duck, it must be a duck. If it sounds like a Bigfoot, it must be a Bigfoot. Listen for the patterns of 5 and not so much of what they say but how they say it. Here is something to try, play the recording for someone that has no idea of Bigfoot and ask them what it sounded like was said. Play it for another and ask them. You might be surprised in what you learn. Mike (watch1)
Guest Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 If it sounds like a duck, it must be a duck. If it sounds like a Bigfoot, it must be a Bigfoot. If it sounds like a duck, it may be a man with a duck call. What does a Bigfoot sound like?
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