Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 That's awfully presumptive of you... I think the presumption is yours, I've read the Ketchum thread since it started on the public forum, if a geneticist is/are here they are not contributing.
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) @ TRBC members what is the farthest you guys can shoot there ? is there any places that you can set up on a power line or cut block? if their is such a place, it would be advantageous for the group to use a .50 cal in those areas, with a little training, u would easily cove up to 800 yds or more. That round will definitely bring one down. .50 BMG? Seriously? Up close a .45-70 loaded with a Buffalo load is perfect. For a medium range shot, I would go with a .375 H&H Magnum, and for long distance on a stationary target I would go .338 Lapua from the longest barrel possible. [Corbon .338 Lapua. 300 grain hollow point boat tail2800fps, 5,225 ft pds] Those numbers seem more realistic when you remember that the Lapua started life as a necked down 416 Rigby! I would have listed some other cartridges that start with a four, but I don't shoot with anyone who owns one. Try keeping a .50 cal at low ready all day. If you are Andre the Giant maybe........ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Helmer, Would you please describe any specific details you recall noticing about the Wood-apes head and facial features? I very sincerely appreciate you sparing the time to post, and for the questions you have answered thus far. Respectfully, Irish Edited October 8, 2012 by Irish73
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 I think the presumption is yours, I've read the Ketchum thread since it started on the public forum, if a geneticist is/are here they are not contributing. I'm sorry, you've evidentally done the footwork on establishing the scholastic, educational and employment history of every active member, lurker and reader of the forums before making the statement 'None of us are geneticists here'. Please accept my humble apologies. Very few people on here discuss their employment irrespective of how pertinent it is to the topic at hand. I would not be surprised if more than one person in said field is either happy to wait for any results to complete the publication process before offering advice on interpretation and understanding of otherwise obtuse technical data or is otherwise unable to comment. Certainly, if I were of such a leaning, I would only ever have a quiet word if someone posted a gross misunderstanding of the topic at hand; I would not wade in to a thread... But then again, I'm the type to wait, absorb information and then act.
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 CtFoot, I am not going to give you any hints,but you did not read carefully enough, I can say that with certainty.
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 Well you know, I am an archaeologist...I know how to dig holes...deep....(just kidding!) OntarioSquatch - have you ever had a sighting? If yes, did it look like it was just a wild uneducated human being? What I saw wasn't human in any way. No behavior they exhibited was human in any way. Well I've seen one....up close, and for the longest I couldn't conclude what it was that puzzled me so. My sighting was back in I believe it was '96, in Alaska. One stepped right in front of our hummer, gave us a glance and continued to the other side of the road. It took me years to reverse what my mind had been programmed and to stop thinking of them as animals. When if I paid attention to what the Fish and Wildlife rep told me, "They are shy and peaceful long as you don't mess with them. We've known about them for some time and we call them 'Wildman". For years I didn't realize that the unintentional hint was that they consider these things people, or at least partly people. In my opinion, they are not animals in the typical chimp or gorilla sense. Actually there's something you just can't place your finger on. It's almost like.........there's two or more types. One type is def close to being human while the other gives the indication of being more animal. However both types will breed with each other as well as with humans. I have a feeling something big will be released in November.
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 Some people are jerks and some people are nice. They are the same species however.
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 .50 BMG? Seriously? Up close a .45-70 loaded with a Buffalo load is perfect. For a medium range shot, I would go with a .375 H&H Magnum, and for long distance on a stationary target I would go .338 Lapua from the longest barrel possible. [Corbon .338 Lapua. 300 grain hollow point boat tail2800fps, 5,225 ft pds] Those numbers seem more realistic when you remember that the Lapua started life as a necked down 416 Rigby! I would have listed some other cartridges that start with a four, but I don't shoot with anyone who owns one. Try keeping a .50 cal at low ready all day. If you are Andre the Giant maybe........ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Helmer, Would you please describe any specific details you recall noticing about the Wood-apes head and facial features? I very sincerely appreciate you sparing the time to post, and for the questions you have answered thus far. Respectfully, Irish I guess you didn't read the whole post, because i was talking about covering long ranges like a pole line or big timbered areas. The caliber takes much less skill to become a good shot with it at long distance. As far as reaching for it, you don't, it would be set up in a blind on a table or tri-pod. they only have short range shots, and they have the right weapons to what they need to do.
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 I'm sorry, you've evidentally done the footwork on establishing the scholastic, educational and employment history of every active member, lurker and reader of the forums before making the statement 'None of us are geneticists here'. Please accept my humble apologies. Very few people on here discuss their employment irrespective of how pertinent it is to the topic at hand. I would not be surprised if more than one person in said field is either happy to wait for any results to complete the publication process before offering advice on interpretation and understanding of otherwise obtuse technical data or is otherwise unable to comment. Certainly, if I were of such a leaning, I would only ever have a quiet word if someone posted a gross misunderstanding of the topic at hand; I would not wade in to a thread... But then again, I'm the type to wait, absorb information and then act. Well we can have a quiet word via PM or you can start a new thread on the topic if you think anyone would be interested. I'm pretty confident about my opinions on certain things, but am not opposed to being corrected if I am wrong. How else does one learn and how else does anyone else reading the information benefit if it isn't shared?? So far, no geneticists have seen fit to have a quiet word with me so either I have no gross misunderstandings of the technical aspects of DNA or they simply don't care to participate if they are here. It is the "waders",as you call it, that keep the forum an active and interesting place to visit. To each his own, I'll wade, and you continue to perch.
Drew Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 Mayo has anyone other than Daryl fired at the Wood Apes?
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Drew, yes. I won't go into details other then the bush is very thick and they are very fast. Why the question? No Daryl is not taking pop shots at every twig snap or eyeshine. Penski, I too am 6'2" and 250 and still play rugby, though for old boys now. We have a plan to take out a body. Similar to one to drag your truck out of a mudhole. Wenches. You know how us ruggers love wenches. Sorry, I mean winches Irish. On the TBRC website there is a page of the description. A member of ours who had a very close visual has a forensic artists interp of what he saw. What I saw was too far away to discern facial features. Could somebody here please define what the definition of "human" is so that we can all be on the same page when we refer to these apes as humans. Thanks in advance. Edited October 9, 2012 by Mayo2
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 That is the big debate Mayo,there is a broad interpretation as to what is human. Biologically? Behavior driven? How close of a match does it take to call something Human? People tend to project their own standards on to what they consider Human, even on the scientific level. By standard accepted parameters, you will certainly get away with the nonhuman definition, at least till there is more known about them, both biologically and physiologically. Did I use that word right? So I guess I am saying, we won't know till someone shoots one, and no matter the results, I do not think there is an risk of charges etc. But then, what do I know?
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 What is so taboo about discussing these other shooting events?
Hairy Man Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 None, other than the reactions of some who think that wood apes are human and shooting at anything walking upright is murder. Would you like to have that to deal with? I know I have better things to do. Who let Mayo2 in here?? Can we get a medic? Medic? I still haven't gotten a forthright answer out of those of you who think wood apes are human. Have you a) seen one? b ) what did they do and look like that was human? c ) what is your definition of human? d) what are your goals regarding this species? Being identified? Protected? Left alone with no assistance?
Drew Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 Hairyman, have you contacted any Universities or DNR to see how they want you to proceed? If you did, what did they say? Have you contacted a lawyer to verify the legality of killing one of these beasts? Did the lawyer give you any advice about shooting one on the property? Is the owner of the land fully aware that you are going to shoot the next ape that walks over the hill unaware of your boom sticks? Has the owner of the land consulted his attorney to assess liability?
Hairy Man Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 I haven't personally contacted anyone, but the group as a whole has. We know what is legal. The land owner is completely aware of our intentions.
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