Opinions On Returning Rock Throws

[Guest]

It seems a lot of people do this... Monsterquest did it, I've seen people on Youtube do it. But it seems like a bad idea to me. Howls and wood knocks are one thing. They're for communication. But rock throwing is an aggressive act, is it not? I feel the same about people who actively pursue Bigfoot through the woods. They both seem like they amp up the danger factor in Squatchin' too much to be worth it, because the general consensus seems to be that if a Bigfoot wanted to, it could do some serious damage to a person.

What do you guys think... returning thrown rocks... making contact or squaring off for confrontation? Good idea? Bad idea? Would you do it, and what do you think the consequences of it would be?

[GuyInIndiana]

Strictly an opinion, but I wouldn't do it, but for reasons you may not have considered.

It's just my opinion, but others I've talked to have experienced it in similar fashion as well. I don't think it's always about "aggression". In fact, there have been times when we *think* something has been tossed into camp around us, we simply haven't been able to see what it was: or if it even was a rock. The few times I've heard *what ever it is* hit and bounce, we learned to just go on and ignore it and continue talking and acting like we never heard or saw it. I think sometimes it's a tactic to literally see how WE (humans) react to things and if we're aware of 'them' hanging around our camp.

While I don't have stats or proof to back it up, it seems like on the nights when we've had something like this happen, by ignoring it, it both extends the time frame they seem to come in to *spy* on us, and may bring them in even closer as they ramp up some of their tactics to see what it takes to get you to react. If every time you hear a twig snap or you have something happen and react, or you've got people jumping up and running to the edge of camp (with nightvistion) looking off into the woods like they're on sentry duty, they'll back off. If you really want to extend possible encounter possibilities, ignore what may be their coming in and acting out. I think it frustrates or interests them even more and can ramp up.

If you jump to your feet and take a defensive sentry type stance, clearly aware that something is out there in the dark, they'll back off or just move on. It's awkward to just sit there and NOT do anything, but it can have benefits. (I M O)

[BobbyO]

I would see it as an act of aggression yeah and I think it's widely accepted that when Orangs do it ( with twgs and branches ), it's an aggressive act.

[Guest]

Wish someone would throw back an apple or candy bar and say some soft words, and see what happens. I never had a rock thrown at me by a BF and I kinda wished I had just to try that. Of courset depends on where you are when that rock appears - how brave you might be.

an aside on "ape" behavior .. just watched a BBC show on UFO files recently released and in about '92 residents of a Portugal village threw rocks at a close hovering craft...

rock throwing is our forte..

Edited January 6, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest reelback]

Strictly an opinion, but I wouldn't do it, but for reasons you may not have considered.

It's just my opinion, but others I've talked to have experienced it in similar fashion as well. I don't think it's always about "aggression". In fact, there have been times when we *think* something has been tossed into camp around us, we simply haven't been able to see what it was: or if it even was a rock. The few times I've heard *what ever it is* hit and bounce, we learned to just go on and ignore it and continue talking and acting like we never heard or saw it. I think sometimes it's a tactic to literally see how WE (humans) react to things and if we're aware of 'them' hanging around our camp.

While I don't have stats or proof to back it up, it seems like on the nights when we've had something like this happen, by ignoring it, it both extends the time frame they seem to come in to *spy* on us, and may bring them in even closer as they ramp up some of their tactics to see what it takes to get you to react. If every time you hear a twig snap or you have something happen and react, or you've got people jumping up and running to the edge of camp (with nightvistion) looking off into the woods like they're on sentry duty, they'll back off. If you really want to extend possible encounter possibilities, ignore what may be their coming in and acting out. I think it frustrates or interests them even more and can ramp up.

If you jump to your feet and take a defensive sentry type stance, clearly aware that something is out there in the dark, they'll back off or just move on. It's awkward to just sit there and NOT do anything, but it can have benefits. (I M O)

This is an excellent response and makes perfect sense. Never considered it this way.

I do believe it can be both, though. Depends on the context.

And because of context it can be interpreted by a BF as playful or agressive.

On the last episode of Finding Bigfoot, did you notice how when Ranae and Bobo broke the trees the BF's disappeared?

The Finding Bigfoot team freaks out when an event occurs and then all activity stops. In fact, I think they even said that in the last episode.

Edited January 6, 2013 by reelback

[Guest]

In the episode of Monsterquest, they began being hit with rocks at night, but not too badly, I think there were just a few rocks lobbed at their feet. Then one of the researched fired one back into the woods, and big rock went whirring by their heads onto the roof of the cabin. It seemed like they pissed him/her off by returning fire.

[Guest]

I don't think reciprocating rock throwing is a good idea. I don't even think roaring at them is a good idea!

[Guest Cervelo]

First thing one should do is the next time your in the woods and have someone with you.

Have one person go into the woods deep enough that you can't see them.

Then have them start throwing pebbles/rocks at you, let us know what you think of rock throwing after you do that.

But to address the OP question I always challenged verbally first if I think something's there.

I like to give people a chance not to get shot.

Then if it stands it's ground I move forward until I find what it is.

So far no Bigfoot, plenty of deer, raccoons, squirrels, rabbits ect ect

I have retreated once after my own bluff charge in the dark (lights out) nothing moved and my dog indicated something was still there...so I tucked my tail and got out.....of course concerned for my dogs safety

If your going to sit there waiting for something to happen after you hear something fall close to you in the woods....well enjoy your "Bigfoot experience".

This whole premise that they have/spend all this time trying to get your attention only to ghost off into the woods after contact is not what I've experienced.

Here's my only experience with "rock throwing" it was a squirrel....fear the squirrels

[Guest]

Cervello, are you a believer in Bigfoot, or a skeptic?

I've been pelted by Squirrels, they dont usually throw rocks, just acorns, in my experience.

[Guest Cervelo]

I believe they could exist based on some personal experience.

But think 99.9% of the evidence is pure poo-poo.

Edited January 6, 2013 by Cervelo

[Guest]

But rock throwing is an aggressive act, is it not? I feel the same about people who actively pursue Bigfoot through the woods

Personally, I feel it's a bad idea.

There's a video that MKDavis broke down where a habituator chased the bigfoot he's gotten to know into the woods because it began to raid his henhouse. So, when the BF did it again, and got caught in the act basically, they chased it. And it circled around him, came up behind him and I'm pretty sure that dude required a new pair of pants. The BF literally knocked him on his behind and growled menacingly at him. And this is one he KNEW. Fascinating video.

One who isn't familiar with you? I would say "not safe".

I did have rocks thrown into the slough behind me once, three times, every time I turned my back. I TRIED lobbing apples from a tree on my side over the slough to the other side, but I couldn't get them over there... it was too far. And I used to play softball and I do NOT throw like a girl I had my chance and blew it, lol.

Edited January 6, 2013 by madison5716

[Guest Cervelo]

Madison,

You might want to do a liitle more research on that vid.

[Guest]

The MK Davis one? I really only watch online videos for entertainment value. One of the few I've found worthwhile is the thermal image and some audio. Don't worry Cervelo, I take it with a grain of salt.

Edited January 6, 2013 by madison5716

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

Hominids (including humans) throw rocks out of aggression. So I guess it's highly likely that sasquatch would as well.

[GuyInIndiana]

Humans "could" throw rocks/apples/sticks as a distraction tactic. To come to any singular reason something *can* be done is a typical bigfooting stumbling block. There could be a dozen reasons things happen that we don't know about or understand.