Olive Branch

[ShadowBorn]

Since joining the BFF, I can't seem to stop the 'what if's', and what 'what would you do' thoughts.

For those of you who live, or do field research in Sasquatch territory, do you make a peace offering?

Such as, leave an apple or something. I'm curious about this sort of interaction.

Reading where someone else's father has heard screams all of his life, would a 'peace offering' maybe prevent the rock throwing.

Or is this just a cornball thought?

I have done some things that may seem odd to some, but not to me or those in the know. I have once had some pictures of them and was told to burn them in front of the creatures so that they may see tht I did. Now this may seem strange but I did as i was told and the out come of this , well let's just say progressed. other things I have done have been leaving them raw salmon in the places I have found their tree formations. I have recieved good results but have refused to get any form of photograph of them.I have been able to record some vocals and plan on recording their knocks this year during deer season or maybe even during turkey season.

I see nothing wrong with trying to make peace with them, the problem comes is trying to understand them. Whether they are willing to accept you or not as a part of their domain.Further detail into them just leads to conterversy that is just not worth the argument. You have to realy need to expirerance them to understand to understand them.

There are some that are having encounters and then there are those habituators who we will never even hear about who will always stay silent.The ones that are truely in the know who we will never know about but will always stay silent. Ones who may warn you once ,not to speak of what one may really know.It's a code and a way that they live by that leads to protection.

[Guest]

With so many fake habituators, it's impossible for the average person to know who is being truthful and who isn't. The lack of evidence makes it even harder. But one thing that I know is that most people who claim to be habituators really aren't. IMO, if it sounds like fantasy, it's probably because it is.

Got a list? You know, the ones that are faking this????? Inquiring minds would love to know.

Nobody knows. That's the problem. Statistical probability would suggest that at least some habituation claims may not be true. I could log in here tomorrow and start posting about how I’ve been interacting with a family of Sasquatch for years. I could tell you about how we learn things from each other and how we have built up a trust. I could tell you how I’m teaching them to weave, and they are teaching me their language. I could tell you that I leave them bacon, and they leave me pretty rocks and fish. Heck, I even taught the little ones to do the Macarena.

I could say all of this even if it wasn’t true. If anybody even suggested my story may not be entirely true, I would report them to the moderators to halt the line of questioning. If anybody asked me for evidence, I would tell them how I didn’t want to betray the trust I had built with my forest friends.

Not all Bigfoot sighting reports are true, we can all admit this because there have been proven hoaxes. Don't you think that at some point, somewhere, some habituation reports have also been fabricated? I'm genuinely asking for your opinion here.

How are people to know which ones are are true when ALL of the people who claim habituation scenarios flatly refuse to provide any evidence.

I am not saying your circumstances (or those of anyone posting here) are not exactly what they say they are. Most people think that fantastic claims merit fantastic evidence, or at least something. Put yourself in their place. Nobody has any way to discerning who is telling the truth.

If I were hosting a habituation scenario, and posting openly about it, yet not replying to any requests for evidence, I wouldn’t be offended if someone did not believe me. If they were to express the opinion that some habituation posts might possibly be chaff, I wouldn’t try to bait them into saying something that gets them in trouble with the Mods or Admins either. I’m not saying anyone else would do that, I’m just saying if it were me in the Habituation scenario, I would expect some disbelief, and not let it rub me the wrong way.

[LeafTalker]

If I were hosting a habituation scenario, and posting openly about it, yet not replying to any requests for evidence, I wouldn’t be offended if someone did not believe me. If they were to express the opinion that some habituation posts might possibly be chaff, I wouldn’t try to bait them into saying something that gets them in trouble with the Mods or Admins either. I’m not saying anyone else would do that, I’m just saying if it were me in the Habituation scenario, I would expect some disbelief, and not let it rub me the wrong way.

I find this hard to believe. Someone who is offended by a post that's not even addressed to him (or her) doesn't appear, to me, to be equipped to bear up under anything near the intensity of abuse that's continually heaped upon habituators on this forum and elsewhere.

[Guest]

ohiobill,

Around here in my town, "chaff" means "crap" and there is no crap coming from Sasfooty, Painthorse or myself. We don't have time or energy to make up stuff. The truth is already quite good enough IMO.

Now if you want to know what some of the hairy people do sometimes, then ask away.

Does it take more or less time to write stuff when it isn't true ? I dont think there's a difference, and by common sense if someone has the time to type anything here- it has no bearing on whether its factual or not.

Here's two statements....

"I've never seen a bigfoot in my entire life, and I dont want too".

"Ive seen multiple bigfoots in my life, and they regularly sit on my back porch and sip margaritas with me".

Which one is true Sunflower ? Didnt take but only a few seconds more to type the second sentence.....

The point he was making, is that in his opinion, he doesn't believe everything that's being said in that thread is true, and frankly neither do I.

It's allowed here (to say "i dont believe you")... in case you've forgotten....

[LeafTalker]

So, people here are so terrified of being called fools for believing something that might not be true that they're willing to question the honesty of ALL habituators who post on this board (because, you know, "most people who claim to be habituators really aren't")?

Why not be silent, instead of risking harming someone else's feelings and reputation for no reason?

Are we that fragile? So fragile that it's more important to prevent possible future damage to our egos -- "damage" that hasn't even happened, and may never happen -- than it is to refrain from causing damage to someone else, by impugning their integrity, when we have no way of knowing whether or not they deserve it? When we have absolutely no evidence they're not telling the truth?

"Let's get him, before he gets us (even though we have no idea what his intentions are)."

I see no honor in that, and no integrity.

Edited April 6, 2013 by LeafTalker

[Guest]

that has nothing to do with it LT...

it's a discussion forum... and the rules state that if people don't believe someone's story, that they are allowed to express it- albeit politely.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone saying "i dont buy your story"... unless people have really thin skin, and cant deal with it...

So if the things that people say are really happening in their backyard, are indeed happening- why would they care whether someone on the internet believes them or not ?

It's also fine for people here to say "prove it to me" ... if you (and others) can't handle that, then I dont know what to tell you.

What's not acceptable, is for one group (of either skeptics or believers) to gang up on one or two others, and make them feel like they shouldn't be posting in a thread, or trying to dictate what the forums are, or what's acceptable or not.

That's up to staff, and the SC to figure out.

[Sasfooty]

I don't buy the story that these certain people don't believe us. I think they believe & want to say something & that's all they can come up with. So that's fine & I'll defend their right to say it.

Sorry, OB. I didn't realize you asked me a question until Art quoted you. Posts of ignored members don't show up.

Now, I have to get back to mixing giant sized margaritas.

[LeafTalker]

that has nothing to do with it LT...

it's a discussion forum... and the rules state that if people don't believe someone's story, that they are allowed to express it- albeit politely.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone saying "i dont buy your story"... unless people have really thin skin, and cant deal with it...

So if the things that people say are really happening in their backyard, are indeed happening- why would they care whether someone on the internet believes them or not ?

It's also fine for people here to say "prove it to me" ... if you (and others) can't handle that, then I dont know what to tell you.

What's not acceptable, is for one group (of either skeptics or believers) to gang up on one or two others, and make them feel like they shouldn't be posting in a thread, or trying to dictate what the forums are, or what's acceptable or not.

That's up to staff, and the SC to figure out.

Thanks, Art. I was speaking to a general principle of the forum (if you don't have something nice to say about someone, you might want to consider not saying anything), so I'm not sure there's anything to argue about here.

But I do think there can be some fine lines here, and I agree with you (and Sasfooty) that, if you have to err on one side or the other, it's good to err on the side of openness and free speech.

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

I don't understand why so many people in Bigfootery are deep into a fantasy. Though I've been open to the idea, I've never believed any self-proclaimed habituator for obvious reasons.

Edited April 6, 2013 by OntarioSquatch

[the parkie]

I have done some things that may seem odd to some, but not to me or those in the know. I have once had some pictures of them and was told to burn them in front of the creatures so that they may see tht I did.

Who told you to burn your photos Julio126, may I ask?

[MarkGlasgow]

Just to clarify my original 'wheat from the chaff' comment. It was deliberately not aimed at any members or posts in particular.

I was invited to do pick these out but in my mind that was rather naughty and I'm too long in the tooth to be played like that.

In my humble opinion there are multiple claims/encounters in the thread that I find difficult to swallow. It's just an opinion. No more or less. The Hab thread is a great place for like-minded individuals to share their experiences but in doing so they surely must expect enquiring minds to query in a bid to understand. It is then surely up to the OP if they wish to debate.

I struggle to understand the indignation of some when challenged on anything relating to a creature whose existence none us can prove. This maybe frustrating for some, but that is where we are folks.

[Guest]

I don't buy the story that these certain people don't believe us. I think they believe & want to say something & that's all they can come up with.

Are you being sarcastic? I'm not sure I understand.

I asked a sincere question of Sunflower, and was flatly ignored. Maybe I am on peoples ignore list, though I don't think I've done anything to offend anyone here. I'm curious how many different individual animals she has encountered, and what State this is occurring in.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Irish73

[Sasfooty]

I don't buy the story that these certain people don't believe us. I think they believe & want to say something & that's all they can come up with.

Are you being sarcastic? I'm not sure I understand.

I was being partially sarcastic in that post, but that wasn't the sarcastic part.

[chelefoot]

I didn't thnk the "Big Tall Margarita" statement was sarcastic....

I thought it was funny! BTW - When are you serving? I'd like one please! lol

[ShadowBorn]

Who told you to burn your photos Julio126, may I ask?

The Parkie I rather not say since I gave them My word I would not . My word means a lot and it is a oath that I just will not break for no one so I am sorry. As far as what people have to say about these creature whether it is true or not means little to believe. All one needs to do is to expirerance what those have said about these creatures to believe that they have spoken the truth. Time will always tell the lie and the ones who are in the know, know the one's who are telling the truth. It does not take long to find out when one is lying or is trying to pull one over the ones in the know . But time is our friend in knowing the truth.