The Existance Of Bigfoot: Is The Magical/paranormal/spiritual/supernatural Really Necessary?

[Guest]

Sorry to crash this thread but can anyone tell me where the latest discussion of Sykes is? His joining Bigfootology etc?

[Guest]

Sorry Wildman, haven't the foggiest.

[Guest]

I managed to sift through and find it thanks hun x

[MIB]

Given all the laws of physics, the subset of those laws that suggest psychic abilities are possible has a count of zero.

He has given you his subset of laws that support psi - the list is void, blank, contains no laws.

Now, since you disagree with his claim, it is your job to come back with which laws DO suggest such abilities.

Not exactly. The list of **currently recognized** laws of physics, as we understand them today, MAY NOT support psi. That does not mean our understanding cannot change in the future. How many times so far have we believed something about "x"? N? How many previous things did we believe? N-1? So, if we've had to change our minds in the past, what are the odds we're so correct now that it won't have to happen again?

Instead, what I'd say is we have to study what observably *is*, try to explain it with the laws we know, and then if we can't, we have to choose a path. The flat earth fools would just discard whatever data today's theory doesn't account for. More intelligent folks will try to find a theory with better predictive ability.

Being a stick in the mud refusing to hear anything that doesn't fit what you already think you know is not science, that's a form of religion.

MIB

PS: Not aiming that at you in particular, mind you, you just happened to be the one who triggered the thought.

Edited April 18, 2013 by MIB

[Guest]

I think it's just another example of "mans" arrogance. If a "lower" order of life is able to dust US at every turn and keep US at arms length, then it must have supernatural powers. Sort of the same arrogance that says they can't exist in the first place.

[ThePhaige]

I think it's just another example of "mans" arrogance. If a "lower" order of life is able to dust US at every turn and keep US at arms length, then it must have supernatural powers. Sort of the same arrogance that says they can't exist in the first place.

Interesting way of looking at mans arrogance, I kind of viewed it as the other way around in the denial of such traits...in that how can there be a race of human like beings that can outwit us on nearly every front. How can that be possible and certainly there could be nothing on this planet that is differently superior to us in so many ways. I'm not saying they are superior, because I do not subscribe to that, but some might argue that having said abilities might make one so.... I tend to think its mans arrogance that denies such abilities and capability as being possible. Having said that though it still is not necessary to accept such things to prove its existence.

[Guest]

I think it's just another example of "mans" arrogance. If a "lower" order of life is able to dust US at every turn and keep US at arms length, then it must have supernatural powers. Sort of the same arrogance that says they can't exist in the first place.

Interesting way of looking at mans arrogance, I kind of viewed it as the other way around in the denial of such traits...in that how can there be a race of human like beings that can outwit us on nearly every front. How can that be possible and certainly there could be nothing on this planet that is differently superior to us in so many ways. I'm not saying they are superior, because I do not subscribe to that, but some might argue that having said abilities might make one so.... I tend to think its mans arrogance that denies such abilities and capability as being possible. Having said that though it still is not necessary to accept such things to prove its existence.

I fully agree. I think we are saying the same thing, only in different ways.

[Guest]

Not exactly. The list of **currently recognized** laws of physics, as we understand them today, MAY NOT support psi. That does not mean our understanding cannot change in the future. How many times so far have we believed something about "x"? N? How many previous things did we believe? N-1? So, if we've had to change our minds in the past, what are the odds we're so correct now that it won't have to happen again?

We're getting into the territory of Carl Sagan's invissible dragon here. Every time we take a stride forward we more exhaustively disprove the notion of the paranormal existing. And every time we do believers in this mystical mumbo jumbo shift goal posts and make excuses why we didn't find it precisely where they said it would be. How exactly is that science and how far do you really expect us to take it before you begin to understand unfalsiable theories have no place in reality?

But lets say that that doctor's 'theory' is right and that there exists psi that's so weak it can't be scientifically verified, well we run into some problems very quick. We have scientific tools far more sensitive than anything available in nature, yet it can't be used to verify the existence of this psi force? How then is any living creature able to become aware of such a thing and, more importantly, how are they able to use it to do anything at all? At the very least that violates the laws of thermodynamics.

[Guest]

No worries MIB, I don't take things personal. Certainly, I agree that as things change we must change with it. But if I understand what you are saying, and apply it to what LarryP was asking of him ----- is he asking him to cite the future laws of physics that may someday support psi?

[Guest]

What MIB was saying is a far cry from what LarryP was asking me to do.

[Guest]

Yes, I understand that. But he did say that my post triggered that thought. I was just trying to combine the two - maybe I should have put a smiley there.

[Cotter]

We have scientific tools far more sensitive than anything available in nature

Can you expand on this thought?

Are you certain? How?

[the parkie]

A really tall humanoid ape-like creature living deep within the wilds undetected for centuries isn't outside the realm of possibility, and there is nothing within the laws of physics (past, current, or future) to prohibit such a thing.

What are the future laws of physics?

[Guest]

A really tall humanoid ape-like creature living deep within the wilds undetected for centuries isn't outside the realm of possibility, and there is nothing within the laws of physics (past, current, or future) to prohibit such a thing.

What are the future laws of physics?

Most likely the current laws of physics with some alterations as we gain better understanding into the nature of reality.

[georgerm]

Given all the laws of physics, the subset of those laws that suggest psychic abilities are possible has a count of zero.

He has given you his subset of laws that support psi - the list is void, blank, contains no laws.

PSI usyally stands for pounds per square inch in the science world. Is there another meaning?

The Existance Of Bigfoot: Is The Magical/paranormal/spiritual/supernatural Really Necessary?

What about reports of BFs in the Livermore Labratory with supernatural powers. Is this story just another fabrication? Google "bigfoot livermoore labratory"