Will Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Well yes that is a possibility, but are they that thinned skinned? A clear picture is what it is. A video of a group walking is what it is. If I had the encounters and sightings she had. I would invest in the best camera and video camera money could buy. I can totally understand why people see the habs as all hoaxers. The habs are in complete control, they have the power to shut all the skeptics up for good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Hello will, Or....they can say "Nyah, nyah". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Llawgoch Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I was not suggesting that that was reasonable behaviour. Or even actual behaviour. I was just stating that this is what many seem to claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Hello All, The habituators will present the hard data when they're ready. That's all there is to it. They say their experiences are real and one can doubt them all they wish but you can't prove them wrong. I realize taking them at their word is difficult for some but believing them or not is a personal choice. One has to ask the hard question, "Why would they lie about such a thing?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 "Why would they lie about such a thing?" Why wouldn't they. This industry is filled with attention seekers, hoaxers, and down right scoundrels. It is disturbing that a person would not come forward with this information. If a person is honestly interested in truth, they would want to do the right thing and show the world how wonderful these creatures are. They are directly guilty when another one dies a senseless death for whatever reason. I was not suggesting that that was reasonable behaviour. Or even actual behaviour. I was just stating that this is what many seem to claim. I understand, it was a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguefooter Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 One has to ask the hard question, "Why would they lie about such a thing?" That's never been a hard question because lying is a common trait in our society. I would suspect that lying for the attention would be the most reasonable answer on a forum like this. The amount of positive attention that people would get far outweighs the negativity, and they get to hear things like "You're so brave and courageous". For anyone with low self-esteem that's like gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Hello will, No they are not directly guilty. Indirectly? Doubt it but it could be argued. And all creatures are wonderful as you know already. It should take any one person or group to "prove' that to anyone. Bottom line is we are all guilty if ANY creature dies a senseless death, and lest we forget, it happens to Humans all the time. Hello roguefooter, Careful there. The burden of proof for what you are saying just may be yours to bear. Anyone can accuse or suggest misconduct. That's the easy part and we see it occasionally. The hard part is backing up the accusation with proof. If not? well then the statement is moot and therefore lacks strength. Edited November 25, 2013 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LarryP Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm not sure there is a difference in the most rabid skeptic and the way many knowers have acted on here. I am. That's never been a hard question because lying is a common trait in our society. According to whom? they get to hear things like "You're so brave and courageous". For anyone with low self-esteem that's like gold. What's your definition of low self- esteem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasfooty Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Sasfooty, why are you so stingy with it. What would be the harm in providing the proof of what you have seen? Everything you have said would instantly be true, you'd be the hero of the BFF and a lot of skeptics would be eating crow. I'm not sure there is a difference in the most rabid skeptic and the way many knowers have acted on here. STINGY????? I've posted almost every bit of evidence I have on here in the last three years except a couple of videos & some pictures that nobody would understand anyway. Almost nobody understood most of what I did post, just people that had their own & knew what they were seeing. And the skeptics had their fun mocking & insinuating that I'm either more or less insane or outright lying. I put some good recorded vocals on Soundcloud for anybody that's interested. Skeptics listen to them, call them "nothing but coyotes" or whatever & go on to demand something else. Knowers say "Yep. That sounds like what's going on around my place". I put a pretty decent picture of what looks like a BF on the Habituator thread, & the silence from the skeptics was deafening. I guess their theory is "If you can't say something bad, just don't say anything." I can't provide proof of everything I've seen because I didn't GET proof. There aren't cameras behind my eyeballs, & I can't carry one around, ready to take a picture on a second's notice. Do you think they just stand around out there in the daylight, waiting for their picture to be taken? Everything I've said is already true, & I have no desire to be a hero or see anybody eat crow. Those of us who have encountered these beings & come here to share what has happened to us are met with disbelief & ridicule by the skeptics, who are apparently in a constant contest to see who can be the first to dehoax & disgrace a new "experiencer" & send them packing. Maybe some of us do act as bad as the most rabid skeptic. We have had excellent teachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted November 25, 2013 Admin Share Posted November 25, 2013 I think there should be sections of the forum that do not allow discussions about the existence or lack there of, of Sasquatch. Simply because someone is wanting to discuss food sources or vocalizations or whatever and the discussion quickly devolves into a argument about the existence of the creature. It's unfair to the posters in the thread looking for a meaningful discussion. But there should also be sections of the forum where it is allowed as well...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Hello Norseman, Good point. There does seem to be a bit of off-topic overlaps that can be distracting. Many post come in as if the being does exist which include my own even though I know there is no hard proof either way. The Forum would be kinda boring and even pointless though if everyone was a fence sitter. The conviction for existence is primarily based on SOME hard evidence which is better than none at all. Just wish there was a body as do many here. Winter is fast approaching and for some is already here so chances for that happening will get harder to come by. Edited November 25, 2013 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squatchy McSquatch Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Regarding the thousands of reported 'sightings' and databases; and at the same time having never called anyone on this forum 'delusional': It is my opinion that each and every reported sighting of a sasquatch/bigfoot is documentation of a person/persons being mistaken, either intentionally or unintentionally. That having been said there are those of us here, and elsewhere, who don't believe in bigfoot but are still allowed and still have an interest in the subject. You can disagree with me or ignore me or report me all you want, but if all you have to say is 'I know what I saw' and you can't back it up with at least a photoraph, well then, I will remain skeptical. Just don't call me a skeptic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguefooter Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Hello roguefooter, Careful there. The burden of proof for what you are saying just may be yours to bear. Anyone can accuse or suggest misconduct. That's the easy part and we see it occasionally. The hard part is backing up the accusation with proof. If not? well then the statement is moot and therefore lacks strength. I find it funny that we can dedicate a thread to psychoanalyzing the skeptic, but once we dissect believers it's suddenly accusations and required proof. You asked the "hard question" and I gave you a hard answer you probably didn't want to hear. It's not a claim it's only a possibility, and as I said just my own suspicion based on what I've seen. According to whom? People have been lying since the dawn of civilization and still tell lies every single day. Lying has always been and always will be a common trait with humanity. For someone who always talks about conspiracies and cover-ups this should be right up your alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Well skeptics or not, bigfoot seekers need to tread cautiously. They're one second's work into two parts for bigfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguefooter Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 What's your definition of low self- esteem? My personal definition? Use the PM system if you want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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