The Fight Or Flight , Overwhelming Feeling Of Fear..

[Guest]

In many reports people talk about the overwhelming fear or impending doom .

Ive read a theory, that if you don't run and hold your ground when a squatch comes towards you yelling,screaming, and breaking branches /pushing over trees, they will in turn respect you. I truly feel this is what could make for a visual or class A encounter. One man wrote that youll either **** yourself and nearly faint, or you can fight through it, gold your ground and dont run. Then you will have a 'good' encounter. Like actually see one. This actually makes sense. Alot if people usually run off when a squatch starts doing strength displays or trys to intimidate. Theyll say they didnt see the bigfoot but definitely heard it.

So whats your opinion on,this folks? If you hold your ground will the squatch respect you..and in the future , if not at the present time, actually show itself? Or will it just run in and rip your head off ?

for anyone interested i read this theory in the last interview in the book communion with sasquatch.

[LeafTalker]

In my opinion, what you read is about as good as it gets, when it comes to trying to anticipate an encounter, and how to react to it. I'm so glad you found that!

 

There's one nuance here that I think is important, though. Some of those threat displays are not just to "test" you. Sometimes, they'd really prefer that you leave the area. So, if it's at all possible to do so, I would leave. Stay calm, by all means, but show respect by leaving. 

 

If you can't leave, for whatever reason -- for example, you're too deep into the wilderness to "vacate" that thoroughly and that quickly -- you can always, always, always talk. Just talk. Just explain that you're aware that you might have upset someone; apologize, and say that it wasn't your intention to do so; and say that you would leave if you could, but circumstances make it too difficult for you to do that that moment. Indicate that you're happy to leave that particular trail or that particular spot, if not the entire area. 

 

They're people. They understand what you say.  

 

(If you've had the misfortune to encounter the one in one trillion who has been pushed beyond the limits of all patience and really wants to harm you, there's nothing you can do. But you can at least try talking, and see what happens. There's nothing to lose by talking.)

[Guest]

Thanks for the reply, LT.

Thats the one thing im worried about, if i cant, or dont leave, what if i realky picked the wrong squatch to mess with. I know i wont be making it back if i really **** one off.. But i dont think thats common, is it? Squatches killing or harming people,that is. Ive heard of the 411 books. thats a total nightmare come true if it happened to me.

I will take your advice about talking to them . i believe they can understand if not the words, but maybe by the tone of our voice, what we mean, or what our intentions are.

I really want to see one, but i just dont know what ill do , if i experience the intimidation behavior. Im sure ill be scared!

[Guest DWA]

Standing up to intimidation behavior hasn't resulted in harm to any witness I'm aware of, nor has any other response for that matter.

 

"Shadowing" and out-of-sight vegetation disturbance, stomping, limb-cracking, etc. appear to be standard-issue primate intimidation routines, designed to get the object of the display to yield ground and leave the area.  I'd think that sure, if you stay where you are, you are more likely to get a visual than if you don't.

 

The "overwhelming fear" response, just like the "feeling of being watched,"  has been frequently reported with no apparent trigger the witness could put a finger on.  Not sure what's up with that, but it happens too often to ignore.

[LeafTalker]

I agree with DWA. If you do encounter intimidation behavior, you will be fine.  

 

Intention is everything!!!! I can already tell how good your intentions are. And if I can, they can!!!! You'll have a great time, I guarantee!

 

But also, if it makes you feel better, read everything you can, and listen to interviews with people who have had ongoing interactions with the Sasquatch people. You might, over time, get used to the idea of being in contact, which will help you with the reality of it. 

 

And yes, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. And talk again! 

 

You'll have fun.  

Edited January 6, 2014 by LeafTalker

[Guest]

Thanks for the reply, DWA.

Maybe the feeling of fear is just something they do im sure youvr read how a tigers roar results in their prey being momentarily paralyzed. Infrasound. Maybe bigfoots do the same.

Ive just read so many reports where the people run off, and it seems like if they would of stayed then they would of for sure seen one.

Branco posted something one time where they heard the squatch yelling and breaking branches all the way down the mountain, coming closer and closer. I guess the wife of the other man he was with was in tears,and really,really scared. So they had to leave. Dang it!

Thankyou Lt my intentions are noyhing but good! Im glad you noticed. I wish them no harm and have no desire to make money at their expense by getting s video or photograph. Simply interacting with the Sasquatch people would be good enough for me. Its been a dream since i was a kid ! (now 24)

[Guest DWA]

Well, Meldrum seriously considers the infrasound connection and I sure wouldn't rule it out.  Tigers indeed employ it; and sasquatch seems to go after more meat than even your typical chimp.

 

The literature is loaded with reports of people who ran like the devil was after them, despite encountering - to their own recollection - no indications of aggressive or hostile intent.  So something's going on.  We're told that running is a bad way to react to a predator; yet no one who runs ever gets caught, and it is, from the evidence, certain that it's not because they outran the animal.

[Guest]

Yes ive read where the squatch either doesnt chase them, or it does but breaks off the chase shortly after beginning. Its obvious they could catch and kill anyone they encounterr but for some reason they dont. If you ran from any other predator, lion,tiger,bear,wolf,even a mean domestic dog. Its going to chase you, and it might kill you. Squatch dont do this for some reason and i think it indicates a certain degree of intelligence.

[Guest Darrell]

To the OP, are you making a connection to the flight or fight response or claiming that bigfoot will make a bluff charge as some animals will?

 

 

They're people. They understand what you say.  

 

 

Really? How would they know and understand the English language?

  Squatch dont do this for some reason and i think it indicates a certain degree of intelligence.

Well I cant say for certain that bigfoot do or dont do that, however, humans will and do display that behaviour. It was quite common during some of the fighting I experienced in Baghdad. An insurgant would run up, fire a burst from his AK, then turn tail and run. The first response after the "oh crap" moment was to give chase.  

[Guest]

Darell, i am saying that in many reports people describe the feeling of fear or doom when a supposed sasquatch was near. Also people have reported them bluff charging as well. (NAWaC for one ) .

[LeafTalker]

The other thing that helps with fear is to take baby steps.

 

When you start hiking in, or walking around in, an area you think they might be, don't go very far the first 10 times. Only go a distance you could cover easily and quickly, if someone indicated they didn't want you there. 

 

After 10 or so visits, your subconscious (and maybe even your conscious self) will notice that you have not been eaten, or even challenged. 

 

So now you can go farther out. Or not! Just continue to frequent that area -- and now, you'll be able to do it with an ever-increasing peace of mind, because it will become obvious that no ill-tempered individuals (or especially unruly and mischevious juveniles) are in that area. You can go in and out, leaving gifts and returning to see if they were taken, and soon you may find they'll be leaving gifts for YOU. And that will be a big, wonderful day that you may never forget, as long as you live (even putting aside all the wonderful things that will continue to happen after THAT!).  

 

Again, and always, have fun!

Edited January 6, 2014 by LeafTalker

[Guest]

I appreciate all your input leaftalker.

Is there a thread where you have shared your experiences? im very interested in what youve experienced in your time squatching.

[LeafTalker]

I would read the Habituating thread, to get a sense of what can happen over time as you begin to cultivate a relationship with one or more Sasquatch persons. (It doesn't matter if you're not actually living in the same area with them. Most of the principles that apply when you're in that situation apply to people just going out into the woods, as well.)

 

Here are the links: 

 

http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/32510-habituating-bigfoot/

http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/41983-habituating-bigfoot-continued/

 

 

I have contributed little bits here and there to those threads, but there are many others there who have had way more experience than I, and have lots of wisdom to share. 

 

I personally no longer wish to share my story. Been there, gotten the flack. Done with that. Besides, the "story" is ongoing; nothing is frozen in time. 

 

The only thing any of us need to know is to be open-hearted and respectful. So I DO talk about that. 

 

I do understand the importance of stories, though, so I would continue to seek them out in the written record and in recorded interviews. But know also that your own intuition will tell you a lot, about speakers as well as about your own actual experiences. 

 

If a speaker is saying something that seems true to you, listen to that. 

 

If you're not comfortable with what they're saying, listen to that, too. 

 

My personal touchstone is, Is the speaker trying to inspire fear? If so, I know not to listen. 

 

You may have a different touchstone..... Always honor what your intuition says.  

Edited January 6, 2014 by LeafTalker

[MIB]

The "fear of impending doom" is real as a heart attack. 

 

My personal approach ... sit down.   It's passive.   It is not attacking.   It is not fleeing.   You seriously limit your ability to do either.   It shows a stubborn will to just ride out whatever happens.   I think that's is the right balance, the right message.

 

You are supposed to feel fear.   The test is how you handle being afraid.   There is failure on your left, failure on your right.  If you flee, you fail.  If you respond to threat with threat, you fail.  The middle path, being afraid without reacting, is where the potential for success lies.   No promises.  

 

That's only my opinion of course.   Some experience to back it up, some extrapolation from that experience.   No guarantees.   Not for you, not for me. 

 

One other thing .. when I'm starting into a place I'm pretty sure they're around, I take a few moments to just sit quietly and look around.  Chill.  Gain my calm.  This is useful particularly if I'm just piling into the woods after a long drive.  Get in the right head space for the location.    Couple times I've come to clear barriers ... blocked trails.   Sometimes I turn back.   Others I sit for a few minutes, get quiet and re-centered, then move along slowly.   My idea is to blend in (not hide, but belong there) rather than "invade".   Again, just my practice.  

 

MIB

[Guest Darrell]

I would reccommend reading both the Gift of Fear by De Becker and On Combat by Grossman to gain a better understanding of controlling and understanding fear. That said, I have never experienced anything alone in the woods that could be attributed to a bigfoot trying to scare me. However, I spent a lot of time in some very ugly places with people who were trying to shoot me so I do understand fear.  If someone sees or feels a bigfoot behind every bush, and it makes them afraid, then maybe being in the woods isnt where they should be.