When Existence Is Proven, Then What?

[Guest]

For the average person, confirmation won't mean much. They're much too busy surviving or seeking promotion. A few jokes, a little more caution around wild areas and that's it.

People like us who seek out this forum really are fringe people.

My money is on Bf will never be verified for the masses. Same reason NOTHING paranormal in this world will be. If it can't be neatly explained away by science it will never see the light.

I'm convinced we're living in a very controlled environment. We have two factions who seem to have forgotten they play for the same team. Meaning they are one and the same. Only different language and managers. Both are on auto pilot right now because they have their students fighting the good fight for them. As evidenced in this thread.

The two factions are science and religion of course. Using the same blueprint politics use. For us to get some answers we want, these two sides MUST drop the ruse and come together. I'm disappointed that more so called, intelligent people haven't realized this. We still pick a side and bog down in dogma.

Lemme give you an example: I shoot ray beams from my eyes in the presence of a scientist and a priest. The scientist will have some scientific theory that my eyes super heated the molecules...blah, blah. The priest will proclaim it a gift or curse from some deity.

They're both basically saying the same thing! Just science goes into more intricate detail. Though it still gets it wrong because it disregards the spiritual aspect. 1+1=2.

Bf will not be proven until we realize we live in a controlled environment.

[scottv]

So the native Americans would have to be in on the coverup too? The ridge/crest on the skull would anchor the jaw muscles that give the cone shoped head.  The big jaw muscules would be needed for hard chewing I guess. What is thought to be the most prominent things in bigfoots' diet? Double rows of teeth would almost certainly rule out mammal, not just human.

[Guest]

So the native Americans would have to be in on the coverup too? The ridge/crest on the skull would anchor the jaw muscles that give the cone shoped head. The big jaw muscules would be needed for hard chewing I guess. What is thought to be the most prominent things in bigfoots' diet? Double rows of teeth would almost certainly rule out mammal, not just human.

Not really...

What if it's simply beyond our ability to prove now? Far as I know native americans acknowledge bf.

[southernyahoo]

So the native Americans would have to be in on the coverup too? The ridge/crest on the skull would anchor the jaw muscles that give the cone shoped head.  The big jaw muscules would be needed for hard chewing I guess. What is thought to be the most prominent things in bigfoots' diet? Double rows of teeth would almost certainly rule out mammal, not just human.

 

Some people do grow some extra teeth, and it takes some work to give them a proper set, pulling some , and putting in braces. It's not a non-human thing.

[scottv]

Ok, so what is the percentage of the human population that grows extra teeth? What are the odds that these skeletons are part of that small percentage? It is a major outlier in human populations.

 

Native Americans acknowledge bigfoot so why would they cover up definitive proof?

 

Bigfoot will be proven when there is a body or body part to examine (or possibly an unambiguous DNA sample) and I don't see how philosophical discussions between scientists and priests hinder the acquisition of a body or a body part. I can go look for sign, set up trail cameras, do night searches as have people on this site and nothing is stopping me from doing this. So far this has not produced said body or body part, clear photos or DNA samples. 

 

The government conspiracy angle requires a large number of people to keep silent and I find that almost harder to believe than an undocumented bipedal ape in North America. Especially in this day of camera phones and facebook. Bigfoot might indeed prove to be a real animal (I would love that) but in my opinion there is no government cover up. The logistics of it, again in my opinion, are daunting. Most government agencies have new employee training. Is keeping silent on bigfoot part of that? I have to look at bigfoot as a possible biological entity. If it is a real animal then there should be alot of them and should not be that difficult to document. I applaud the people here who are using accepted biological survey methods in their search and honestly hope they succeed but with each passing year there is still no body,

[SWWASAS]

But double rows of teeth and strange skull sutures reported in two separated locations?    So we either have a Native American Tribe of strange genetic anomalies in a large group of humans (that is certainly possible) or we have something not human.   Yes DNA would answer the question.     Native Americans do not do DNA analysis.   They take what the government gives them to rebury, do some sort of religious ceremony and bury the remains.    In their mind anything not European in origin, with ancient ancestry on this continent,  including BF, deserves a respectful burial on North American soil.     BF to them is a spiritual creature and would certainly warrant special handing and a respectful burial.    So in that light, the Native Americans could indeed be in on it.  Nothing would be more wrong to them than BF bones in a museum someplace just as bones of their ancestors on display would be wrong.   Being part Native American I must say I cannot disagree with feeling that way.  

[SWWASAS]

When individuals who work for the government privately acknowledge witnessing, or seeing footprints of BF, but the official policy of the same agency is that BF does not exist, that to me is an official cover up.       Two days ago a friend of mine was talking to a Ranger who acknowledged personal knowledge of BF.   I am sure there are others here who have had private talks with Rangers.     The reasons are probably financial because of forest products revenue that would dry up because of habitat protection issues.     Once the lie has been told, the agency continues with the same lie to avoid credibility issues.

 

The Native American policy varies tribe to tribe but the general treatment is that it is a spiritual creature or giant man of the forest, to be left alone, and avoid discussion about the subject.     Certainly their own history with the US Government and Europeans does not instill a lot of trust in how they would treat BF.     That is not a cover up on their part so much as they just don't want others involved in something that has spiritual meaning to them.    Just as others don't want the government messing with their religious activities.

[southernyahoo]

Ok, so what is the percentage of the human population that grows extra teeth? What are the odds that these skeletons are part of that small percentage? It is a major outlier in human populations.

 

Native Americans acknowledge bigfoot so why would they cover up definitive proof?

 

Bigfoot will be proven when there is a body or body part to examine (or possibly an unambiguous DNA sample) and I don't see how philosophical discussions between scientists and priests hinder the acquisition of a body or a body part. I can go look for sign, set up trail cameras, do night searches as have people on this site and nothing is stopping me from doing this. So far this has not produced said body or body part, clear photos or DNA samples. 

 

The government conspiracy angle requires a large number of people to keep silent and I find that almost harder to believe than an undocumented bipedal ape in North America. Especially in this day of camera phones and facebook. Bigfoot might indeed prove to be a real animal (I would love that) but in my opinion there is no government cover up. The logistics of it, again in my opinion, are daunting. Most government agencies have new employee training. Is keeping silent on bigfoot part of that? I have to look at bigfoot as a possible biological entity. If it is a real animal then there should be alot of them and should not be that difficult to document. I applaud the people here who are using accepted biological survey methods in their search and honestly hope they succeed but with each passing year there is still no body,

 

A cover up doesn't have to count on people not talking. It would count on whether they would talk of proof without tangible evidence to back it up. So long as the physical evidence is controlled, they won't say a word to the public at large until they are retired, if at all

 

I don't think Native Americans are covering them up, they openly accept them as real,  but also as a type of man........an outlier type of human. There might also be a spiritual aspect to their willingness to provide physical evidence in some cases. 

[Wingman1]

I doubt that anything will change once they are proven to be an extant species. The Sasquatch will not know no know, unless

of course they have satellite TV then it's a different story. Life for them will go on as usual. I doubt that the following scenario

regarding a Sasquatch will ever take place --- Sas finds out that we are on to them, and they realize that now more people

will start looking for them, so they decide "Well I guess we are now going to have to show ourselves much more often than

before, let them take photos and videos of us, and then we will have to let them hang out with us and start a new Sasquatch

Reality Show!" If anything, it will drive them further away than before, and then we are back to square one again. It will be

business as usual with the exception that we now know them to be an extant species. Researching everything else about

them will continue to be the greatest challenge! IMO after proving their existence we should stop at that point and let them

live their lives in peace. If researchers want to continue their quest for more data then more power to them! It certainly

can't hurt. I would suggest a radical change in the methods used for tracking and observing them because the tactics

that are currently being used are just not cutting it. Imagine a person fishing from a pier using one certain type of bait

and have caught nothing, but the fishermen on either side are pulling in fish after fish using a variety of bait should

make the light bulb above his head pop on and realize that he needs to try other bait. It's a simple analogy but gets

the point across

[Guest]

If Squatches ever are proven to exist, imagine how frustrated the so-called "experts" are gonna be when they finally know they're out there, but still can't find them, to study them.

[Wingman1]

I hear ya Cryptic on that one! It may be just me, but there seems to be this thought out there among some folks that Squatches will suddenly become

available for up close study. I realize that not all researchers/experts have that viewpoint, but the ones that do will be very disappointed that the squatches

didn't get the memo to just stop and let us follow them around and document everything they do on a daily basis. If they did get the memo somehow, I think

we would have an even harder time trying to find them. Disappointing yes! but the mystery will still be there! It would be "Okay now that we know they definitely

exist", we need to develop better and more creative methods to attempt to study them. I see it as a win win situation! We would have the scientific proof that we

all have been wanting for decades upon decades, and we will still have the mystery of why they are here, where do they fit in on the evolutionary scale, and

many more providing the impetus to continue the search.  As it is with the discovery, I think it will be the folks that are out there doing the research scraping up

every bit of evidence that can be found will be the ones with the most success. The scientific community will be starting from square one and will need the assistance

of those researchers with years of experience in the field to point them in the direction they should start to look. Of course there are many scientists with field experience

out there, but nowhere near the amount of amateur and semi professional researchers that have far more more experience in tracking a Squatches. I personally

hope that we do not go overboard with the effort and disrupt the livelihood of the squatches to a point where they feel threatened and react even more aggresively

than than they have been reported to be at times when approached. Especially if their are juveniles with them. Only time will tell and will definitely be a learning

experience to say the least! Continued good luck to you all in your research!!!!!

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

If Squatches ever are proven to exist, imagine how frustrated the so-called "experts" are gonna be when they finally know they're out there, but still can't find them, to study them.

 

 

I think that's exactly what would happen.

 

Biologists won't make any new observations that Bigfoot investigators haven't already made unless they invent new methods for researching the animal.

[Yuchi1]

They'll become an industry, a political football, a cause, and that's just a start. 

If they are recognized as a species of human, it'll get really interesting.

Spot on!

[Yuchi1]

DWA, Where in Alabama were you? I grew up in what is now called Hoover, it used to be called Bluff Park. We were surrounded by woodlands back then, and I suspect we kids encountered a couple of BF without realizing exactly what was throwing rocks and pine-cones at us:( I had no clue back then about anything to do with BF:(

 

  

 

 

We were up in Lawrence/Winston Counties...Sipsey Wilderness of the Bankhead, N.F.  I've been tramping up there off and on for the last 30 years or so. It is an amazing piece of topography that DWA had never seen, so he came on down. He is like that, willing to go to extreme measures (like driving all night) to see some new piece of the natural world. I don't think he was dissapointed either. 

 

Grew up in Lauderdale county, parents home is ~6 miles from the TN line.

 

http://www.ifthelegendsfade.com/

 

This book is about g'ma's "trip" from there to Muscogee, Oklahoma and back.  There's mention of her having an encounter with "nokosee" in the Devil's Backbone area near where you guys were. Funny thing is, "Nokosee" had glowing red eyes and walked away on two legs after raising a hand in recognition of her, as she stood in a creek.

[SWWASAS]

If Squatches ever are proven to exist, imagine how frustrated the so-called "experts" are gonna be when they finally know they're out there, but still can't find them, to study them.

 

I think that's exactly what would happen.

 

Biologists won't make any new observations that Bigfoot investigators haven't already made unless they invent new methods for researching the animal.

I can see just that playing out.     Some researcher will get a fleeting glimpse but not be able to take a photograph quick enough.    They will assume they can do the Jane Goodall thing with BF too because it worked in Africa.    Part of our problems is with BF is treating them like some other animal, that can be tracked, tricked,  and hunted.    Not much of that works with BF.