Guest keninsc Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Hundreds, if not thousands, of other folks claim to have seen them. What does not follow - quite obviously - is the skeptical contention that they would thus be scientifically confirmed. This does not follow for an obvious reason: sightings do not equal confirmation. Yes, well people claim to see all sorts of things. I can claim to have seen a unicorn, that doesn't make unicorns real.
Guest DWA Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Yes, but a scientist would agree with you and so would I. What a scientist would not agree with is that something that thousands of people have seen, and presented accounts of their encounters which piece together a consistent physiographic, behavioral and ecological profile; something we HAVE A MOVIE OF, the only thorough technical analyses of which have pronounced it not a concoction; something that has LEFT FOOTPRINTS vouched for by serious scientific and technical specialists...is a unicorn, or anything like it. Which is why I have seen no 'explanation' by a scientist not versed in the evidence which I cannot riddle with technical holes and leave for dead... ...and why everyone I know of who has made a serious study of the evidence agrees with me. And how I can spot, in an instant, who hasn't made such study, btw. The only protest I get from that last sentence is something along the lines of "how DARE you presume that I haven't....'. Um, no. You either know, or you don't; and anyone can tell by what you SAY. Edited June 1, 2014 by DWA
MIB Posted June 1, 2014 Moderator Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Yes, well people claim to see all sorts of things. I can claim to have seen a unicorn, that doesn't make unicorns real. Most of the people who make these claims truly believe their claim. (Many members here, for instance.) Can you claim to have seen a unicorn without knowing you are lying? The difference, believing what you say vs knowingly perpetrating a hoax, seems relevant. MIB Edited June 1, 2014 by MIB
Guest DWA Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 afraid? doesn't really add up. What exactly are they afraid of happening? People behaving as, well, irrationally as they usually do about stuff like this, but now millions of them rather than just those who have seen them. (Many of whom, if one believes their reports, are only keeping it in out of a serious desire not to be found insane.) (The way this topic is treated, millions actually could have seen them. But still.) This is a garden-variety primate, if one includes the ones in the fossil record in the discussion. No big deal. But look at what the information vacuum has yielded: They Are Saucer Pilots: They Mentally Control Us; They Are Human And Not Constrained By Our Technology; They Are Shape-Shifting Fourth-Dimensionalizers, Travelers in Both Time And Space, ...um, etc. I might not want everybody at once to find out either, were I, you know, mayor. Or President. One scientist recently opined that we might be too stupid to deal with actual contact with an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. http://blogs.voanews.com/science-world/2014/05/14/humans-too-stupid-to-meet-et/ This neither, I'm sure some people are thinking whose job is thinking about masses; misinformation; mobs; and how to deal with them. Many people are seeing these on their property, literally in their backyards. Not sure too many would be comfortable with that, based just on the reports I've read. (The R word is in the link. Just warning, and prepared for possible edit. But it is directly relevant, I think, to the conversation.)
Guest Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Well, some guy claims to have a BF toenail. Picture on the blogtalk site. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sasquatchwatchradio/2014/05/28/sasquatch-watch-radio-welcomes-alex-hearn
Guest Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Yet when some amateur researcher proffers the carcass of an unclassified primate or hominid, or a severed limb or head of such, the scientific world will come to an abrupt standstill. And those would be interesting times, my friends. They've been ignoring hair and blood evidence for years, which is every bit as physical as an arm or a head. But might it be too impactful if it were to upset the whole dogma that surrounds the idea all other hominins are extinct? So long as we have Dyer out there claiming a body every few years, science won't look at a real one either, he's the boy who cries wolf. It would be a kick in the nuts if Dyer DID have a BF, but could not get it tested because of his rep... But then again, if some theories of Dyer are true, that might be the point.
hiflier Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Hello keninsc, The timber industry and the mining industries are suddenly in a bind because EPA or someone else have mandated that the Bigfoots be protected. That means suddenly large areas are closed off to those industries, but they need to play their ace in the hole and like magic before you have time to even think about it then EPA i.e. the government is at odds with itself. If protection for BF ever happens it will be only posturing for the public. It is, and has, been my OPINION that a BF body was secured long ago which means that the EPA already is at odds with itself. Looking back over the past 50-60 years I also realize that it would have taken a BF for the EPA to be at odds with itself anyway. But proof to the public-at-large of such a Creature would be an absolute nightmare. There may even be many who would eventually conclude as I already have; as in "how could the feds have not known about the animal all these years?". I still find that a bit ubelievable and I'll stop there as I'm standing on the brink of the Tar Pit.
Guest Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Correction to my post above: That last should read "theories about Dyer"...
Guest Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 People behaving as, well, irrationally as they usually do about stuff like this, but now millions of them rather than just those who have seen them. (Many of whom, if one believes their reports, are only keeping it in out of a serious desire not to be found insane.) (The way this topic is treated, millions actually could have seen them. But still.) This is a garden-variety primate, if one includes the ones in the fossil record in the discussion. No big deal. But look at what the information vacuum has yielded: They Are Saucer Pilots: They Mentally Control Us; They Are Human And Not Constrained By Our Technology; They Are Shape-Shifting Fourth-Dimensionalizers, Travelers in Both Time And Space, ...um, etc. I might not want everybody at once to find out either, were I, you know, mayor. Or President. One scientist recently opined that we might be too stupid to deal with actual contact with an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. http://blogs.voanews.com/science-world/2014/05/14/humans-too-stupid-to-meet-et/ This neither, I'm sure some people are thinking whose job is thinking about masses; misinformation; mobs; and how to deal with them. Many people are seeing these on their property, literally in their backyards. Not sure too many would be comfortable with that, based just on the reports I've read. (The R word is in the link. Just warning, and prepared for possible edit. But it is directly relevant, I think, to the conversation.) I see your point The idea we are too stupid for alien contact is pretty interesting. Just think of the ramifications with something like religion.
hiflier Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Hello All,Nothing I like better than correcting my own post.......grrrrr: (Correction in RED) ...If protection for BF ever happens it will be only posturing for the public. It is, and has, been my OPINION that a BF body was secured long ago which means that the EPA already is at odds with itself. Looking back over the past 50-60 years I also realize that it would NOT have taken a BF for the EPA to be at odds with itself anyway. But proof to the public-at-large of such a Creature would be an absolute nightmare. There may even be many who would eventually conclude as I already have; as in "how could the feds have not known about the animal all these years?". I still find that a bit ubelievable and I'll stop there as I'm standing on the brink of the Tar Pit. My apologies if it created confusion.
Wingman1 Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 Great post! It can be fun jabbing at the scientific community, A friend of mine is an Astronomer and he came over for dinner one evening and was telling me that he and his team have been working on a project that will allow them to locate the edge of the universe! I said really! how long did it take to get out there! The look I got was awesome, and he said What? I asked the same question again and he started turning red. That cannot be done, you know that! Then I said well how did you take the measurements and then had to listen to ten minutes of some mumbo-jumbo about mathematical equations, measurement of light waves and such. So I said okay, you and I will head down to the equator tomorrow and I will hold one end of the tape measure and you take the other end and walk your butt out to edge of the universe, right down the actual observed measurement and come on back! Then you can honestly tell me the edge is X amount of light years away ---- he got up and left! No sense of humor at all! Keep em squealin' from the feelin' Yes, but a scientist would agree with you and so would I. What a scientist would not agree with is that something that thousands of people have seen, and presented accounts of their encounters which piece together a consistent physiographic, behavioral and ecological profile; something we HAVE A MOVIE OF, the only thorough technical analyses of which have pronounced it not a concoction; something that has LEFT FOOTPRINTS vouched for by serious scientific and technical specialists...is a unicorn, or anything like it. Which is why I have seen no 'explanation' by a scientist not versed in the evidence which I cannot riddle with technical holes and leave for dead... ...and why everyone I know of who has made a serious study of the evidence agrees with me. And how I can spot, in an instant, who hasn't made such study, btw. The only protest I get from that last sentence is something along the lines of "how DARE you presume that I haven't....'. Um, no. You either know, or you don't; and anyone can tell by what you SAY.
Wingman1 Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 DWA - I could'nt agree with you more! It is nice to see that there are still some people out there that realize science is not always the answer! Don't get me wrong now, Science has made some great discoveries, but just because someone has written a paper on something doesn't mean they are the authority on the subject. Better versed than most of us, but not an authority. There seems to be enough evidence out there to warrant a scientific investigation so it does make one wonder why that the wheels of scientific process are not set into motion more fervently. I think in your case it is the fact that you CAN blow holes in pretty much anything they bring to the table. Skepticism is one thing, but blindy dismissing valid evidence is gross neglicence IMO. I try to look at it this way - we will see who has the last laugh when this all done and over. I would have to say that the legitimate amateur reseachers and the many field researchers out there not afilliated with an institution or university will be the odd man out after discovery! and I have a sad feeling that the ones who will suffer the most, will be Sasquatches themselves. This is the reason I hope that once discovered, enough research done to establish a taxonomy classification and what their diet consists of and how much is required for them to survive comfortably. If anything else is required, I would say leave that up to the field researchers armed with the latest information. Most of them have been at it a long time already and more familiar with the environment know what to do, and I'll even wager that many Sasquatch already know of them and are more comfortable with them than a bunch of university scientists running amok in the forest. One last point - Unless Ol' BF get email, I doubt that they will know that we now know they exist which of course means business as usual for them! Now with the larger number of folks that will be now be traipsing all over the domain might not make them too happy! On the other hand we may just find out exactly what an angered BF would and can do to a human being that gets a little to close to their young! So for me It's give the scientists what they need to prove existence, probable habitat, and diet and then let the current field researchers take over from there! As for the reality of that happening, well I think that we will be able to buy ocean front property in Arizona before that would happen.
Guest Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Yes, well people claim to see all sorts of things. I can claim to have seen a unicorn, that doesn't make unicorns real. Doesn't make them false either. The "unicorn argument" is Skeptic Psuedo-Logic 101. What the devil is so unbelievable about a unicorn anyways? A 4-legged herbivore with 1 horn growing from it's head. There are plenty of horned/antlered 4-legged herbivores.
Guest Rex Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) wrong thread Edited July 16, 2014 by Rex
Yuchi1 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Regarding gov't conspiracy notions, IMO, if they don't know about BF would be more disconcerting especially when you stop and consider what the quality of our national security apparatus may actually be instead of what we've been led to believe. Perhaps, the necessity to re-write the history books is a factor in such obfuscation. Case in point, the Kincaid "discovery" ~1909 in Arizona presents some interesting questions especially when the Smithsonian has steadfastly denied any involvement or knowledge of either the principals (Kincaid, Prof. Jordan, et. al.) or artifacts whereabouts.* There may be a possible correlation between the efforts of several anthropoligists (Grounds, Ross & Covey) to convert the (oral) Yuchi language to written form and the above statement. Their conclusion of it being an isolate language was further confirmed by the discovery the majority of the words (pronunciation) was of Egyptian & Phoenician origin. Publications of such findings have been subsequently removed from the publicly available formats, they were originally placed upon. A sibling, with commerce ties to the Navaho, Hopi & Apache tribes has mentioned the Yuchi connection (to those tribes) as conveyed to her by members of said tribes. The point of this is simply, the powers that be have vested interests in keeping certain things in the shadows. * http://www.crystalinks.com/gc_egyptconnection.html http://io9.com/5875252/when-the-smithsonian-discovered-an-ancient-egyptian-colony-in-the-grand- canyon http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_orionzone_9.htm
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