MIB Posted June 10, 2014 Moderator Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) The similarities seemed too close for coincidence but I guess they do happen. The situation you describe ... I suppose, if you can, maneuver the most skeptical person you know into noticing it first, then let THEM defend the discovery so you don't have to. :) I find myself in an odd position with the really weird stuff. I don't have the energy to simultaneously tussle with the scoftics and try to restrain the cool aid drinkers who try to go off the deep end with it. I wind up keeping it to myself plus or minus one other person who seems to have a similar balance. MIB Edited June 10, 2014 by MIB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Well, when the bears 'stalked' they seem to have no issues showing themselves, at least on the second one, couldn't get the first. I think hominid stalking and bear stalking would be different in a noticeable way. If a person has no incline of a BF, then a hominid description would be somewhat credible. If they have BF on the brain, well, from personal experience, taken with a grain of salt. Edited June 11, 2014 by Wag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I don't think the occasional bigfoot attack or kidnapping can be ruled out. Lone hiker, straying child. I think it depends on the bigfoot, it's attitude on that day, and whether the circumstances permit success without detection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIB Posted June 11, 2014 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2014 It seems like you're inferring that if you can't rule it out, you must rule it in. I think that is equally fallacious. There is no proof either way. I'm going to repeat that in case you or anyone else is only hearing the half of it they want to hear: there is no proof EITHER WAY. People DO go missing. On the other hand, I'm that lone hiker and I'm still here. Situational awareness and a reasonable amount of caution are appropriate. I don't think panic, or panic mongering, is. IMHO, of course. MIB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I'll drop back to Native American accounts. A significant number portray bigfoot as a predator and kidnapper of humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerm Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 In these situations, I have started talking to the BF. I have no idea if they understand but I want them to know that I know they are there. In reality when you stop and listen that says the same thing. But my purpose, if one is that close, is to try to establish some level of communication. I think it likely from reports that they have some level speech of speech ability even it is very primitive. By talking to them I am trying to convey that I put them on an equal level as I would with another human I encountered in the woods. And by talking to them I am indicating I want to communicate. Even if they cannot understand, what do I have to loose? If one knows me well enough to step out and try to talk back at some point, all the better. I can always hope. Randy Sounds good to me to at least break the tension from BF's mind games. A documentary on TV described how a fellow was followed by a Black Bear. It did not parallel him like BF does and it stayed in plain sight unlike BF who seems to remain hidden. After reading the bear reports, I plan to carry a 357 during all hikes. My wife tells of a typical BF stalking episode during a deer hunting trip. What would happen if you just stopped and refused to move while talking to the ol critter? Then if it becomes aggressive, fire warning shots and continue your hike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 My grandmother told a story about being paralleled by something one night as she was walking to her house with her newborn down a dirt car path through some woods. It was 1940, Preston Co. West Virginia. About as rural as it gets, Lots of hills, hollers and woods. A lot of farms. She and my granddad were driving home from the hospital, my grandma had just delivered my uncle, He was a 4+ lb preemie. She had him on a pillow, she said, because he was so tiny. My grand dad drank alot and he wanted to go to a bar. So he dropped my grandmother with my newborn uncle at the end of the drive to their house which was down a hill into the woods. She said she heard "someone" walking in the woods close enough to her to hear loud breathing, but she couldn't see anything. She said she would take a few steps and it would take a few, she would stop and it would stop. So she took off running for the front door of the house and finally got inside. Creeps me out thinking about my sweet grandmother running, scared to death with a newborn, down that path with who knows what following along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) What would happen if you just stopped and refused to move while talking to the ol critter? Then if it becomes aggressive, fire warning shots and continue your hike? Some great, great comments and observations in this thread. And Georgerm, I agree with you that Randy's strategy -- to talk to the BF -- is a very, very good idea. But I'm not sure I understand your question to Randy. Why would someone attempt to communicate with them -- which implies a back and forth, a give and take -- and then "refuse" to do something that they might be requesting of you? If you're showing a willingness to communicate, you are also showing a willingness to listen to and respect the other's wishes. That willingness is what makes the attempt to communicate genuine. To try to "communicate" to someone that the only possible outcome is that the other give way to you is not genuine communication. It's a simple threat. It sounds to me that Randy is not trying to dominate anybody, or prove he's the bigger threat. He's looking for two-way communication (authentic communication). To get that two-wayness, you have to show a willingness to be flexible. Refusing things doesn't show openness or flexibility. Firing a gun doesn't show openness or flexibility, either. If you are walking in the woods, and you meet with what appears to be aggressive behavior, it is a brilliant, brilliant move to stop moving and speak aloud, calmly, saying that you intend no harm and would like to continue on your way, if that's alright with them. If the sounds you hear after that change, in a good way -- if they either cease altogether, or cease to sound as aggressive -- you know you can keep going. If the sounds you hear remain aggressive, or seem to indicate increasing agitation, you apologize and turn around. Simple as that. That's genuine and respectful communication. And it works. A majorly significant amount of the time, you will be allowed to pass. And if you continue to show that kind of flexibility and respect, you may -- at some point -- be allowed much more than just safe passage from one spot to another. P.S. Of course, the best course of action, upon detecting the presence of a Sasquatch person -- if you're looking for ongoing communication, that is -- is to stop and talk, and talk a LOT. Stand in one place and say who you are. State your name. Talk about your family. Tell them stories. Ask them questions. Talk your head off. This is the way to signal that communication and contact are what you're really about. And this is the way to invite them to talk back. It may take a while for them to do that, but if your real -- and only -- goal is communication, it may take less time than you might expect. Edited June 11, 2014 by LeafTalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I was bear hunting in Sask in 94' when I heard wood knocking for the first time (two evening in a row) and after I heard this the first night, something that stayed far enough back in the bush not to be seen "escorted" me about 200 yards up a finger ridge at the bottom of which was the bait station and tree stand I had hunted in. Nothing like this happened at the stand I was in the first two nights and the new one I asked for after the second wood knock incident. Those stands were miles from this one. I killed a big boar the last night from the third stand. At that point I did not know about tree knocking, but it seemed very deliberate and likely meant for me to hear. The escorting was very creepy, what ever it was made no attempt to move quietly and stopped when I stopped. I backed up that ridge line with an arrow nocked. I was ready for it if it followed me out into the open ditch, but after I broke out of the cover it stopped following me. I don't know it stayed until the guide picked me up or moved away quietly when I got into the open ditch. Also, just before this happened both nights, the bush went totally silent. The stand site was right next to a swamp full of frogs which had been making so much racket it would have taken a raised voice to converse over the noise. I didn't give it a chance to follow me the second night, when the first "whack" was heard, I un-assed the stand and got up that ridge like it was flat ground. I quizzed the guide about anyone who might have been chopping would or otherwise in the bush near the stand, he assured me that no one was in there and the nearest farm was a good 20 miles away (my translation from clicks to miles). He also assured there was no strange activity reported around that stand. Being as I never saw what was shadowing me, I can never say definitively if it was a monkee. I can say the guide advised it didn't sound like a bear had done it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The idea that an 8' tall 700 pound bipedal creature is just stalking us from the periphery of whatever trail we are on seems implausible. A. Why would it do that? If it has the ability to remain absolutely hidden, even while stalking you, why would it need to stalk you? It could just remain hidden. B. If it has the ability to hide it's own kinds remains after death, with a 100% success rate, do you really think it would have a problem making you disappear? C. If you really think they are stalking you to get you out of their woods, it seems like a perfect opportunity for an ambush. You walk into the woods and leave camera traps, or a guy with a gun on the side of the trail. You go into the woods until you get stalked then slowly leave via the trail leading the stalker right into the waiting camera or bushwhack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIB Posted June 11, 2014 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2014 I'll drop back to Native American accounts. A significant number portray bigfoot as a predator and kidnapper of humans. No question about that. So ... has something changed? If they're intelligent enough to avoid us via PLANNING, it could be they've recognized that the game has changed because of sheer numbers, firearms, and deliberately adjusted their behavior to match. On the other hand, perhaps those stories were stories to scare small children into behaving. Seems to be a common parent / grandparent trick in all cultures. Some of the Native American accounts also talk about sasquatch appearing at ceremonial gatherings and very rarely participating. Its interesting in some area how differently adjacent tribes perceive sasquatch. My notion is it reflects first contact. First impressions are hard to reverse. The possibility or impossibility of almost all the answers to almost all the questions depend on what the sasquatch really are. Despite a wide variety of often-conflicting strong opinions in the BF community, we just don't know. I think a level of caution is appropriate but not to the point it cripples our curiosity or our ability to observe and react. MIB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasfooty Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 My son, grandson & a friend were down at the river driving around, doing whatever they do in those "mud trucks", a couple of years ago, and they got stuck. There was no one else around & no cell phone service there. So they sat around awhile & waited, hoping somebody would come by, but it got dark, & nobody showed up. It was about a mile to the road, where the cell phone would work, & my son decided to walk out & call somebody. The others didn't want to go, so he set off by himself. He said he wasn't even out of sight of the truck before he heard footsteps just to his right. At first he thought it was his son messing with him, but then he realized that he couldn't have walked through the thick brush without getting tangled up. Then he thought it might be a cougar, but ruled that out because it was taking steps that matched his steps. Finally, it dawned on him what it was. He said it was a little creepy, but he just decided that it must be one of the friendly ones walking along with him to keep the cats & alligators off him. After he made his call, he sat there on the road waiting, & he said he could feel "somebody" out there until the truck picked him up. I asked him why he decided that it was a friendly one, & he said it was just better than being scared all the way to the road. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Haven't experienced it personally, but many reports describe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) I was in ***** Gorda, Florida, last summer, and we were walking in front of my grandpa's car, which was slow-rolling with the headlights on, it was nighttime, and me and my friends were looking for frogs. I got the sense at one point that something was flanking us from within the treeline, I heard a few faint sounds and brush breaking. I cant say for sure what it was, and it was faint enough that I only mentioned it once to my friend. But it was quite eerie. Edit: wow okay for some reason the first word of the town in Florida gets filtered out... it's the Spanish word for "point" for anyone who is actually interested in bigfoot and the outdoors instead of flailing about over cuss words... Edited June 11, 2014 by ForestTone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 There's another level to this. Actual confrontation by the bigfoot. This happened to me, my brother, and my friend, David. http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=5697 I'm still trying to figure out exactly what the bigfoot was trying to achieve here. It could easily have slipped away down the wash without us ever suspecting it was there, but it chose to emerge and present itself. Did it expect us to flee? Was it trying to keep us busy while it's family group slipped away? If so, they all could have avoided us just as easily without us ever knowing they were there. Was it holding us in position while another approached us from behind? Were we in significant danger? If my brother and I had run, would it have taken David? If its actions were a prelude to predation, how did our response to it alter its intentions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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