OnlyASize12 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 There is no question in my mind that "proof" at this point requires recovery of physical remains. The bigger the recovery, the better. The ideal would be an entire corpse that is only a few hours old before being properly stored. The next piece would be an openly available autopsy/analysis done by reputable professionals with no secrecy about what was found and a serious effort made to provide samples for analysis to independent 3rd parties. That is the level of proof that is required today. No amount of video/still photography is going to be adequate to not leave the question of "its is just a guy in a suit" as a possibility. My guess as to how a body will be recovered is after a collision with a vehicle. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 ^^^If nawac shoots and kills one tomorrow (which they won't) it would be game over and even the most ardent critics (Scientists included) would would have to accept its existence. You can't argue otherwise. Yes I can, because, well, I've thought about it. That is always a cool exercise, thinking about it. ^^^That statement is packed full of assumptions. The rest is just your usual anti-Science rants and posturing, but hey, if that's what helps you through another day with No Body... Funny, that's what I say to guys like you. There couldn't possibly be, and hasn't been since the earth was flat, a more anti-science attitude than the mainstream's toward this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam2323 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It's gonna take a body. But it will need to be presented to the right people to get the news out. Then and only then will this species be excepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 ^^^And what I'm saying to Squatchy is that putting the body on the ground is only step 1. And many things can happen afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crowlogic Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It'll happen like this. Somewhere a lab will manipulate some human and primate genes to produce what will fit the description of Bigfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 That is possible. Ketchum did a pretty close approximation of manbearpig with her work. Someone who knows what they're doing could plausibly produce a specimen of frankenstiened DNA and insert it in a cell. They'd have to know what they were doing though. Once scientists got hold of the DNA, they'd be able to test to see if it is functional. Not so easy to pull off without actually producing a living thing first. Once you have a living cell, then plausibly one could raise the thing to birth and beyond. Bigfoot might not exist yet but may be on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfooter Posted July 25, 2014 Admin Share Posted July 25, 2014 No amount of video/still photography is going to be adequate to not leave the question of "its is just a guy in a suit" as a possibility. I agree that no film/photo is going to "prove" anything, but I do believe that video in the right setting would be enough to spur further research on the topic. The following scenario is one that I have put forth before. I am sure that there are a lot of others that would work just as well. The President is going to give an important policy speech on conservation/natural resources/national parks/the DOI/etc. He/she elects to do it in a National Park to drive home the point of the speech. It is televised live on the cable news networks and the major media players are there to cover it. The President will deliver the speech from a stand in front of a large, pasture-like setting. There is forest on one side of the pasture and the base of a mountain on the other. A river runs through it. The distance between the forest and the base of the mountain is around 600 meters. The pasture, while appearing to be relatively level, actually has many small dips, hills, and large rocks hindering movement across it. Midway through the speech, around 1000 meters behind the President's podium, a single buck rushes from the forest, followed very closely by a big, black, hairy thing on two legs. Shortly after entering the pasture, the thing catches the buck, wrestles it to the ground, and swiftly kills it with one blow to the head. It then gets up, and picks up the buck with one hand, and heads towards the mountain, carrying the deer over one shoulder. Some in the crowd gasp. The Secret Service having watched the whole thing, already has four SUV's enroute to the area as it appears someone has breached perimeter security. Four Secret Service agents surround and quickly escort the President to Marine One, which is waiting just over 50 meters away. The thing, seeing the crowd and the oncoming vehicles begins running towards the mountain. It crosses the waist deep river rapidly and without problem. The thing quickly reaches the base of the mountain and heads into the woods that start approximately 50 meters up the 60 degree slope. The thing climbs the steep mountainside with no apparent effort, still carrying its trophy. The time from the creature's first appearance out of the woods to disappearing into the woods on the other side is 37 seconds. The news cameras have caught the majority of this on tape. One lucky cameraman and director, succumbing to boredom, was panning the countryside during the speech and happened to have caught the buck emerging from the forest. They were able to zoom in and get crystal clear video of the entire sequence. WIthin an hour, the film has surpassed the Patterson-Gimlin Film in notoriety and viewers. Within a week, it had become the most watched piece of footage of all time. Due to the roughness of the terrain, it takes the Secret Service two minutes to arrive at the location where the thing started up the slope. As they get there a dozen or so agents pile out of the vehicles, with what appear to be miltary style weapons, and start scampering up the slope. It is steep and they have considerable trouble navigating the rough terrain. After three minutes the majority of them make the tree line and enter the mountain forest. Four seconds later, a bloodcurdling, horrific scream is heard, somewhat like a cross between a woman being murdered, a baby crying, and a bull roaring. The scream is impossibly loud, even to those back at the stand, and deep. At that point, the crowd sees the pursuing agents running for their lives back down the slope, tripping and falling as they do. The remaining agents at the vehicles, have weapons drawn, pointing up towards the woods. It only takes a few seconds for the agents to descend the slope and take refuge by the SUV's. Quickly eight more SUV's proceed towards the location. However, nothing further is heard, only the faint odor of garbage, feces, and skunk remains in the area. After calling in reinforcements to conduct a search, nothing is found except broken tree limbs and a trail where it appears something large has rapidly traversed through the forest like a locomotive. A few bits of hair are found, but cannot be linked to any known animal. This trail ends in a nearby valley. Tracking dogs called in to assist refuse to go any further. Professional trackers cannot find the trail in the valley. After a week of air and land searches, the effort is given up. Three days later, Congress passes and the President signs, the Unknown American Creature Act (UACA), allocating $100 Million dollars to the Smithsonian to research and capture a speciman of whatever it was that eluded the Secret Service. Researchers later determined that the river was six feet deep at the point where the thing crossed it, waist deep. Thus ends my creative writing assignment for the day! It would probably take something of this magnitude to quell any criticism of the video and be recognized as legit. The video would have to show superhuman feats and be in a situation where hoaxing was extremely unlikely. I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that video to show up.... My personal guess is that one will become a tractor-trailer hood ornament and that will be that. And if anyone wants to take this seed of an idea and make a book or movie out of it, feel free to do so. I will gladly accept a percentage of the royalties! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 how? purely by accident, if ever. my $ is on some little old lady in a 66 Bonneville plowing into one on the way home from bingo. agreed with hiflier though, about the winter being a better chance...... although a summer lightning storm might shock a sample up, if found quickly. come to think of it, with all the wildfires out west, you'd think a charred crispy critter might be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Owl Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well said Bobby O. The logistics of finding one, transporting and preserving it without even a close nit party keeping it quiet would be a job in and of itself. Someone would have to secretly tell their spouse, uncle, friend etc. and then at some point unexpectedly, the local, state, or the federal officials would swoop in locked and loaded with warrants in hand. The evidence would be confiscated for a number of reasons, never to be seen again. Just as some folks participating in this blog think the Bigfoot are not a real subject, many others don't buy into the theory that there are portions of our government deliberately keeping this subject under tight wraps. I have personally spoken to two different concerns that have had a dark SUV experience and have read of several more. The missing 411 books document some of these secretive government actions very well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) It won't. If it would have done it would have happened by now. These things have been living right under the noses of 400m since before the 400m arrived on its shores. The powers that be are fully aware of its existence but for whatever reason, they're not gonna share that with the masses. Dead on the mark Bobby. Government agencies and science knows; they just don't want you to know that they Know. The report shown in the link is how it works. http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=6938 Edited July 25, 2014 by Branco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Bravo, VA Footer! Best thing I've seen in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted July 25, 2014 Admin Share Posted July 25, 2014 Except the story is akin to using a BB gun to shoot gnats. The odds are extremely low of catching something like that on film. I think the semi truck has a better chance IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I believe, unfortunately, that a hunter will kill one and somehow get it out of the woods and hand it over to qualified scientists OR there will be a vehicle accident and one can be brought in. Now, I don't wish either of these to happen but I find them to be the most likely circumstances in which a bigfoot would be presented for scientific study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman1 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Just a thought, but if the govt. or members of the scientific community did know that they in fact exist, could their reason for doing so be because of the amount of land that would more than likely be set aside for their protected habitat. I'm guessing that would sure step on the toes of quite a few businesses and landowners that may have an intended use for that land. Let's say a use that would bring in a huge profit for those businesses and landowners. Sort of like throwing a huge bone to a pack of wild dogs on your back porch just to keep them from barking all day & night! Just a thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman1 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 As for the original question, I think it will more than likely accidental than by other means. Pretty much everything else being done in the field so far seems to have failed. Do I believe that the efforts of those dedicated men & women have been in vain? Absolutely not!!!! If it were not for those folks we would know next to nothing about them, and their efforts should be applauded. I also have nagging little feeling the BF know what we are up to! or at the very least they have an idea that we are up to no good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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